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Post by townrwe on Jul 15, 2017 9:05:34 GMT 1
Super priority fan..... f@(k off. Absolutely bulls&*t. How to lose friends and alienate fans... jolly boys club. Shameful. I have had a season ticket for over 20 years and supported the academy through the B&W foundation for about 5 years, but I don't deserve to be a higher priority to someone who has only got a season ticket this year. Your logic seems strange to me. I have nothing against the new season ticket holders it is great for the club, but I think those that were buying season tickets back in the days of uncertainty when Jacko had 8 players on the books going into preseason and not really knowing if we would have a team to watch should be recognised. Its a pointless system... priority should have been based on away games attended over the last 10 years. That way youd have genuine away day supporters getting priority and most likely using that priority This system is too easy to circumvent as there will be loads of priority ones that have no intention o going to away games and will pass on to friends and family... meaning that actually it wont be the loyal 3000 away supporters rather a mixture of say 1000 priority ones, 1500 town fans who circumvented the system and. 200 man utd fans who couldnt get in the home end but know a priority one town fan and 300 desperate fans who dont have someones priority number. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:09:05 GMT 1
Enlighten me please. I have had a season ticket for decades. Was in B/W foundation for 6 years. Was a Patron for 6 years .(circumstances caused me to drop the two latter) so which section am I in .
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 15, 2017 9:09:08 GMT 1
The clubs made a massive mistake bringing loyalty into it. A massive mistake. Surely the idea is to breed loyalty, This one club, everyone pulling together, welcomimg new supporters etc ect and suddenly your not worth shit, Categorised from 1 - 5.... from super supporter to is that some shit on my shoe supporter. Worst thing is, it wont even matter, ill get tickets off someone whos a priority 1... like everyone did for the playoff, so even priority 2 folks have been shat on as well. Poorly conceived system that has obviously caused bad feeling and will be circumvented at will. Every supporter should be treated equally.... fairly and certainly not descriminated against for breeding the next generation of supporters. Id told the youngest he couldnt have a liverpool goalie top, it had to be town, but seen as though my 38 years of support isnt in the loyal category ill get him a liverpool one with ward on. You can at least console yourself in the knowledge that you're taking the news well. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 15, 2017 9:10:44 GMT 1
Load of tripe pal. How is it a Jolly Boys Club if it rewards tjose who have put the most in to the club? Since when? 10 years? Supported for 38 years probably had 20+ years season tickets, been to uni, lived abroad, had kids, big mortgage... back now still supporting the club and they treat you like that, treat fans with contempt and they will return the favour. Massive own goal. What a tool you are townrwe, I bet you're loving the attention! 38 years, that's nothing pal, 52 for me. Been to uni, lived abroad, had kids, big mortgage.......been there done them all too. Back now still supporting the club, here's the difference......450 miles round trip, £80-£100 petrol, just to see a home game. Do you do that? Did you donate a significant sum when the club went into admin? The system seems fair enough to me. I'm priority 4 I think, I'm confident I'll get to some games away. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 15, 2017 9:12:06 GMT 1
The clubs made a massive mistake bringing loyalty into it. A massive mistake. Surely the idea is to breed loyalty, This one club, everyone pulling together, welcomimg new supporters etc ect and suddenly your not worth shit, Categorised from 1 - 5.... from super supporter to is that some shit on my shoe supporter. Worst thing is, it wont even matter, ill get tickets off someone whos a priority 1... like everyone did for the playoff, so even priority 2 folks have been shat on as well. Poorly conceived system that has obviously caused bad feeling and will be circumvented at will. Every supporter should be treated equally.... fairly and certainly not descriminated against for breeding the next generation of supporters. Id told the youngest he couldnt have a liverpool goalie top, it had to be town, but seen as though my 38 years of support isnt in the loyal category ill get him a liverpool one with ward on. You can at least console yourself in the knowledge that you're taking the news well. Or that ill just use someones priority number.... like 1500 other folk will. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 15, 2017 9:13:42 GMT 1
Since when? 10 years? Supported for 38 years probably had 20+ years season tickets, been to uni, lived abroad, had kids, big mortgage... back now still supporting the club and they treat you like that, treat fans with contempt and they will return the favour. Massive own goal. What a tool you are townrwe, I bet you're loving the attention! 38 years, that's nothing pal, 52 for me. Been to uni, lived abroad, had kids, big mortgage.......been there done them all too. Back now still supporting the club, here's the difference......450 miles round trip, £80-£100 petrol, just to see a home game. Do you do that? Did you donate a significant sum when the club went into admin? The system seems fair enough to me. I'm priority 4 I think, I'm confident I'll get to some games away. Club doesnt appreciate your loyalty. Go and support arsenal.  |
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Post by hd7terrier on Jul 15, 2017 9:14:30 GMT 1
With this system no doubt the sit down shut up brigade will be in full force next season 😴 what you get when you reward people who have paid for things like b&w foundation rather than those who've been to games up and down the country for years. They should've realised the reason many people don't pay for such subscriptions is often to fund travelling costs and away tickets, we now have a situation where people could've had a season ticket for years and years and followed the club to 100+ away games is a lower priority than a newbie fan of three years who may have never even been to a single away game, absolute bullshit The "sit down and shut up brigade" as you call them have obviously upset you at the same AWAY games that you were at so I don't get your point, they are spending there hard earned on away tickets and travel too.. Remember paying for away tickets does not give our club any money, B&W foundation does. I can't see anyway the club could please everyone. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 15, 2017 9:15:31 GMT 1
The clubs made a massive mistake bringing loyalty into it. A massive mistake. Surely the idea is to breed loyalty, This one club, everyone pulling together, welcomimg new supporters etc ect and suddenly your not worth shit, Categorised from 1 - 5.... from super supporter to is that some shit on my shoe supporter. Worst thing is, it wont even matter, ill get tickets off someone whos a priority 1... like everyone did for the playoff, so even priority 2 folks have been shat on as well. Poorly conceived system that has obviously caused bad feeling and will be circumvented at will. Every supporter should be treated equally.... fairly and certainly not descriminated against for breeding the next generation of supporters. Id told the youngest he couldnt have a liverpool goalie top, it had to be town, but seen as though my 38 years of support isnt in the loyal category ill get him a liverpool one with ward on. Sounds like there's at least one more child in your household. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 15, 2017 9:17:37 GMT 1
You could get the 20 most intelligent people in the world together to come up with a system that doesn't produce a response like yours and they would fail. Upsetting the least number of supporters is what the club have tried to achieve. A thankless task IMO. I miss out through illness but fully recovered thankfully so my response is a tad tapered but i bet the average supporter who's missed out can understand that it was inevitable that someone was going to be stamping their feet. Just ballot the lot.... your support is worth more than his is wrong. We are all one thing. Town supporters. It wont matter for me. Ill get one for any game i want by playing the system but that will mean someone with a higher priority missing out to someone with a lower priority... totally ridiculous. The Wednesday allocation sold out sharpish and i know at least 5 supporters who went and werent even season ticket holders... thats out of a bus of 18. I don't see why balloting the lot , or first come first serve, would have been more unfair than using home season tickets, shelling out a tenner last year, or having to vacate your seats this year ( that really galls) ... people talk about rewarding loyalty like it's an unquestionable concept. But how do you quantify loyalty ? It's not worth getting het up about Novak.... the club have done what they have done with fair spirit, and are probably emulating most other premier league clubs... but personally I think they've got it wrong, though they ain't going to change it now so get on with enjoying the season and it you really want to go to away games employ some of the guerrilla tactics suggested by our spurs friend |
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Post by maxwell on Jul 15, 2017 9:22:34 GMT 1
It is as it is. Some of us with loyalty cards, or in my case with a Blue and White Foundation membership for 20 months, are still missing out. I think I'm category 4, due to not having a season ticket, just a Take 10 in 2015-16. This was due to work commitments, but I had, a season card last season and of course do this. In reply to an earlier poster, that sort of implied no one should join the Blue and White foundation purely to get priority, I'd just like to say, that, it wasn't the sole factor in my case. I was happy to give something to the club, with some small payback for, and I admit relatively few compared to others, the away games I go to. I get nothing else from it living 90 miles away, so the gym and bar are useless to me, as is car parking as I use either the train, or bus from my dads who lives locally. It may now just be a charity, that I can't afford to continue giving to, won't be the first and won't be the last. Had forgotten about that, I too had the take 10 for 2 years same reasoning couldn't make night games due to work, looks like that membership has been overlooked and counts for nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:22:52 GMT 1
I have had a season ticket for over 20 years and supported the academy through the B&W foundation for about 5 years, but I don't deserve to be a higher priority to someone who has only got a season ticket this year. Your logic seems strange to me. I have nothing against the new season ticket holders it is great for the club, but I think those that were buying season tickets back in the days of uncertainty when Jacko had 8 players on the books going into preseason and not really knowing if we would have a team to watch should be recognised. Its a pointless system... priority should have been based on away games attended over the last 10 years. That way youd have genuine away day supporters getting priority and most likely using that priority This system is too easy to circumvent as there will be loads of priority ones that have no intention o going to away games and will pass on to friends and family... meaning that actually it wont be the loyal 3000 away supporters rather a mixture of say 1000 priority ones, 1500 town fans who circumvented the system and. 200 man utd fans who couldnt get in the home end but know a priority one town fan and 300 desperate fans who dont have someones priority number. You come out with some right crap at times. The club introduces a low cost, no gambling & limited incentives, away ticket priority option and you think that supporters who opted for one were those that didn't want go to away games? And those with long standing season tickets have not been supporting the club better than those who went to away games? It may have escaped your attention, but it costs money to run a football club and 100% of the season ticket costs go into club funds before the season starts to enable financial planning, whereas 5% of away ticket sales go into club funds around the time of the game. Welcome to the consequences of the real world the rest of us live in! |
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Post by mids on Jul 15, 2017 9:23:55 GMT 1
Most of you know me. I missed out and didn't even feel right jumping in for 2 or 3 season tickets after being away so long. I'm gutted but i fought tooth and nail to get the club to where it is now and i knew that it would probably mean i lost my club as i knew it. I'll enjoy it from afar kicking and heading every ball but i don't think there is really " a fair system" Unfortunately. Just don't question Supporters loyalty just because they haven't met the criteria for priority. Loyalty cannot be measured. I will be back when HTFC need me probably fitter and louder... ENJOY.... Good man. Done more for our football club than so many others. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 15, 2017 9:24:25 GMT 1
There's no hope of a future scheme being fairer because those gaining away games points will be the same people in category one and two? That's a good point 😂 I'm kicking myself for not getting the super priority last year. Hindsight's a wonderful thing and all that, but it's hardly surprising when you think about it. It was never going to be easy and after ten years of holding a ST it becomes hard to add further priority or you penalise the younger fans. Even ten does! Unfortunately, when people talk about the take-up percentages, it will be huge for the perceived bigger games, whether going themselves or sorting their mate out. |
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Post by upthetown on Jul 15, 2017 9:25:48 GMT 1
Season ticket since 1993 for me but in priority 3.seems slightly harsh but guess I've already had the season ticket cash back.not an easy one for the club but assumed the 4000 may have automatically qualified for cat 1.ah well orient away anyone? I'm in same boat, assumed we'd be in cat 2. But no complaints from me |
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Post by upthetown on Jul 15, 2017 9:28:14 GMT 1
Ah well, looks like i'll have to either get lucky in the ballot or wait until we're shit again before I get to another away game I give it 3 games before some refer to us as shit (Hi arterrier!) |
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Post by wetherbyterrier1972 on Jul 15, 2017 9:28:42 GMT 1
I fall into P3 no complaints from me. Surprised by some and their overreaction critising the club saying they have not rewarded loyalty. By my reckoning they have give nearly 500k back for the 10 years of supporting the Club. And getting a season card in the prem for 100 quid! No one has been banned from getting a ticket and think the ballot idea is a cracker. Not sure how it will work but a good one. I'm sure not all P1 and P2 will take up the tickets so am hoping i get the chance but i know a P1 person and will ask them to get me one if they cant go - simple Let's stop the moaning!!! Don't take this the wrong way, as my immediate thought (as a p4), was that I know a few folk who are p1 and p3 who don't regularly travel away, and I'd get them to get me a ticket for a game to increase my chance. However, on reflection, THIS is what will cook the system up if anything....I've decided I won't Game the system like this, and jointly we should all agree to play it fairly, as that will mean that the lower priority people aren't "cheated" out of a chance. I will NOT ask a pal in a higher priority bracket to get a ticket for me if he's not attending. We're Town fans, let's not screw each other just because we're playing West Brom instead of Hull. Fair point. |
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Post by upthetown on Jul 15, 2017 9:29:24 GMT 1
Load of tripe pal. How is it a Jolly Boys Club if it rewards tjose who have put the most in to the club? Since when? 10 years? Supported for 38 years probably had 20+ years season tickets, been to uni, lived abroad, had kids, big mortgage... back now still supporting the club and they treat you like that, treat fans with contempt and they will return the favour. Massive own goal. To be fair you'd have moaned at anything that didn't have you as top priority, it's just how you're wired. |
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Post by upthetown on Jul 15, 2017 9:29:51 GMT 1
Super priority fan..... f@(k off. Absolutely bulls&*t. How to lose friends and alienate fans... jolly boys club. Shameful. Haha, you're a clown. I remember when the you claimed the club were alienating you because we had a lot of players on loan. Grow up. He wants bloody alienating |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:31:15 GMT 1
Ah well, looks like i'll have to either get lucky in the ballot or wait until we're shit again before I get to another away game I give it 3 games before some refer to us as shit (Hi arterrier!) Give me that day on the terrace at York in league two over a soulless atmosphere at the Emirates any day. Would have liked to have gone to Anfield and Old Trafford just to say I've seen us there but hardly the end of the world |
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Post by upthetown on Jul 15, 2017 9:33:56 GMT 1
Spells away... in foreign countries, university and kids/marriage/mortgage. Never missed a game ive listened to everyone at least. Hahahaha what a plant pot. The system is the fairest, just because it doesn't put you in priority 1 doesn't mean it's wrong. There should be a new super duper priority for him, he's never missed a game, listened to them all |
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Post by upthetown on Jul 15, 2017 9:35:25 GMT 1
but presumably not in B&W/P/ToT? The way I read it any of the loyal 4000 are at least category 2 I read as cat 3 unless also had TOT or B&W foundation |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:35:49 GMT 1
Don't take this the wrong way, as my immediate thought (as a p4), was that I know a few folk who are p1 and p3 who don't regularly travel away, and I'd get them to get me a ticket for a game to increase my chance. However, on reflection, THIS is what will cook the system up if anything....I've decided I won't Game the system like this, and jointly we should all agree to play it fairly, as that will mean that the lower priority people aren't "cheated" out of a chance. I will NOT ask a pal in a higher priority bracket to get a ticket for me if he's not attending. We're Town fans, let's not screw each other just because we're playing West Brom instead of Hull. Fair point. Phew..that's increased my chances, just need a few more morales piqued and I'll be able to get to Old Trafford 😉😊 |
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Post by mids on Jul 15, 2017 9:37:24 GMT 1
Category 4 for me. So most away games for me will be streamed onto my 60" tv I guess. That Chris Powell season off has proved costly with this and the loss of £100 cashback. It was still chuffing worth it though  To get a backdated fair system was never gonna be easy. Surprised there isn't a special category for anyone who can sing Lionel Richie's back catalogue though |
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Post by upthetown on Jul 15, 2017 9:37:40 GMT 1
Club was formed in 1908.... not when dean hoyle took over. Go on then.. how should the club have done it? The only truly fair way would be: Priority 1: townrwe Never missed a game since 1908, radio or in person Priority 2: everyone else Disgrace that it isn't fairer, like above. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:38:44 GMT 1
So...optimum time to announce signing Izzy Brown would be when?!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2017 9:40:09 GMT 1
I'm in cat 3. Season ticket holder for 22 years and go to a at least 12 away games each season. I don't mind. I knew the priority system for many years and could've had a blue n white foundation membership or TOT to put me in the top category last seaaon but I didn't. I'd say that sounds about right. I went to 44 games in total last season and I'm in priority 2 which sounds fair. Had seasons where I've not missed an away game but there will be plenty who go to more than me and have been doing for years and hopefully the majority of them guys got P1. To me that doesn't seem fair though, you should be priority 1 with that record of attendance. I'm category 1 just because I've been in the Blue & White since day one and ever since my mum and dad have let me off the leash I must have wracked up nearly 500 away games, I've been to away games in that Autoglass, Sherpa Van whatever its called but if simply I hadn't been in the Blue & White I'd have been down the pecking order. Previous away attendance should have been taken into account, I don't buy into this that they don't know, if you booked on line you use multiple client refs when booking to identify the season ticket holder and whenever I've been down to the ticket office they have always asked me the names for the tickets and if they don't have the info they better start building it up from now on in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:41:51 GMT 1
So...optimum time to announce signing Izzy Brown would be when?! I'm hoping we get Nelson now after the chap in the transfer thread has got my hopes up |
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Post by DeepSpace on Jul 15, 2017 9:43:13 GMT 1
If the club is right about priority 1 being c.700, then that still leaves around 2000 give or take (average available minus 10% for the ballot). My gut feeling is that priority 2 probably doesn't add on huge numbers (you're basically adding in people with STs for more than 3 but less than 10 seasons). Priority 3 might not add that many either, as loads of people who actually want to go away will have bought ToT, so jump to 1 or 2. So my reckoning is that there will be a good number still up for grabs by the time they get to 4 at least & probably 5. There will be some upset for the biggest games but the rest should be fine for 90%+ of people that want to go. Seems Deep Space and Space hardware who liked this are in Outer Space. How long did it take you to think up that little gem? Anyway, you've missed my point totally. If you look again, what I'm arguing is that I think the number of eligible people in the top 3 groups may not be that huge, & it doesn't matter if they buy tickets for themselves or next door's cat because they still only get one. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 15, 2017 9:48:56 GMT 1
I have had a season ticket for over 20 years and supported the academy through the B&W foundation for about 5 years, but I don't deserve to be a higher priority to someone who has only got a season ticket this year. Your logic seems strange to me. I have nothing against the new season ticket holders it is great for the club, but I think those that were buying season tickets back in the days of uncertainty when Jacko had 8 players on the books going into preseason and not really knowing if we would have a team to watch should be recognised. Its a pointless system... priority should have been based on away games attended over the last 10 years. That way youd have genuine away day supporters getting priority and most likely using that priority This system is too easy to circumvent as there will be loads of priority ones that have no intention o going to away games and will pass on to friends and family... meaning that actually it wont be the loyal 3000 away supporters rather a mixture of say 1000 priority ones, 1500 town fans who circumvented the system and. 200 man utd fans who couldnt get in the home end but know a priority one town fan and 300 desperate fans who dont have someones priority number. how many of the 'loyal' away support are in the 'super priority' group??? if you dont have numbers then please dont make stuff up.. we go away and it ranges from 5 up to about 20 on different occasions and they are all 'super priority' ticket holders.. Thats just our group, I must assume a great many other 'loyal' away fans are the same?? Having been to many, many, many away games over the past 10/20/30 years I see a great many of the same faces.. Are they all just 'loyal' away fans?? see shitloads of them at home games... I dont think your argument stands up.. |
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Post by harrythedog on Jul 15, 2017 9:49:14 GMT 1
Season ticket since 1993 for me but in priority 3.seems slightly harsh but guess I've already had the season ticket cash back.not an easy one for the club but assumed the 4000 may have automatically qualified for cat 1.ah well orient away anyone? I'm in same boat, assumed we'd be in cat 2. But no complaints from me I'm in a similar situation, slightly cheesed off with myself because as i read it i could have joined the B&W Foundation at any time up to Wednesday and been in Priority 1? |
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