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Post by isleofmanterrier on Jul 16, 2017 1:25:22 GMT 1
Thanks for the replies folks. Probably only be able to make the usual 2/3 games anyway, Good to know there's a half decent chance of getting a ticket. Was getting worried I'd still never get to see my team in the premier league!
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Post by blueandbrightside on Jul 16, 2017 1:45:05 GMT 1
Club are going to announce the numbers in cat 1 and 2 next week so at least there can be some facts rather than speculation. It may, or may not, be as bad as some think. If only 700 super priority tickets were sold for Man City then would this not indicate there aren't 1000's of ToT members with season tickets? Take out of that number any that haven't had a season ticket for 3 years, or have had one for 10, and P2 is possibly going to be quite small? It seems to be the clubs way to try recognise people who bought the clubs away membership and are also regular customers (ok 3 years isn't a lot for some of us but it's not 5 mins either). I wonder if the reason there is not a further 10 year banding before the 3 year one is to avoid appearing to go overboard on the 4000 and risk appearing to exclude more recent members of the flock. Or maybe the difference in numbers isn't that huge between 3 and 10 years.
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Post by Dan on Jul 16, 2017 1:47:53 GMT 1
Well that was an entertaining 10-15 minutes reading the absolute meltdown on here.
For anyone that is contacting anyone from the club and having a go, have a word with yourself. PL football, £199 season tickets, spending the millions and people are having a pop because the priority system doesn't work for them?!
FWIW, I do about 10 aways a season, and due to paying on the day a few seasons for home games, I am priority 4. I'm sure I'll be able to get to a fair few aways and might get lucky in the ballot for any that sell out.
Rather than having a go at the club for something that was never going to please everyone, our efforts should probably go on supporting them so that this isn't a one-off season. That way, I'm sure once all the 'ground-tickers' have ticked Old Trafford and Anfield off their lists this season, tickets will be a lot easier to come by the season after!
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Post by JRx on Jul 16, 2017 2:46:03 GMT 1
Club are going to announce the numbers in cat 1 and 2 next week so at least there can be some facts rather than speculation. It may, or may not, be as bad as some think. If only 700 super priority tickets were sold for Man City then would this not indicate there aren't 1000's of ToT members with season tickets? Take out of that number any that haven't had a season ticket for 3 years, or have had one for 10, and P2 is possibly going to be quite small? It seems to be the clubs way to try recognise people who bought the clubs away membership and are also regular customers (ok 3 years isn't a lot for some of us but it's not 5 mins either). I wonder if the reason there is not a further 10 year banding before the 3 year one is to avoid appearing to go overboard on the 4000 and risk appearing to exclude more recent members of the flock. Or maybe the difference in numbers isn't that huge between 3 and 10 years. Man city is a terrible comparison. No idea why they used it. Fa cup replay, midweek, live on tv. How about Sheffield Wednesday in the play-offs? A very important game that actually mattered, sold out before lunchtime. 2k people. What is also terrible is that you could have been priority 1 last year (Wednesday playoffs) and priority 4 this year (no tickets for Liverpool, man u etc), pretty awful really. They shouldn't have done last 3 years but more like 3 out of the last 5 years or something to balance it for those who have had season tickets most years but for one reason or another missed a season. Or at least tier it in a way that rewards people who have been around for a while not just recently. Tbh if they had just kept the same system but added on last season as well as this season, it removes anyone who simply got a season ticket for the prem and doesn't cause an issue. Assuming they then update there systems they could track and start to bring in a system that rewards our away fans rather than home fans. |
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Post by hd2 on Jul 16, 2017 3:04:35 GMT 1
Club are going to announce the numbers in cat 1 and 2 next week so at least there can be some facts rather than speculation. It may, or may not, be as bad as some think. If only 700 super priority tickets were sold for Man City then would this not indicate there aren't 1000's of ToT members with season tickets? Take out of that number any that haven't had a season ticket for 3 years, or have had one for 10, and P2 is possibly going to be quite small? It seems to be the clubs way to try recognise people who bought the clubs away membership and are also regular customers (ok 3 years isn't a lot for some of us but it's not 5 mins either). I wonder if the reason there is not a further 10 year banding before the 3 year one is to avoid appearing to go overboard on the 4000 and risk appearing to exclude more recent members of the flock. Or maybe the difference in numbers isn't that huge between 3 and 10 years. Man city is a terrible comparison. No idea why they used it. Fa cup replay, midweek, live on tv. How about Sheffield Wednesday in the play-offs? A very important game that actually mattered, sold out before lunchtime. 2k people. What is also terrible is that you could have been priority 1 last year (Wednesday playoffs) and priority 4 this year (no tickets for Liverpool, man u etc), pretty awful really. They shouldn't have done last 3 years but more like 3 out of the last 5 years or something to balance it for those who have had season tickets most years but for one reason or another missed a season. Or at least tier it in a way that rewards people who have been around for a while not just recently. Tbh if they had just kept the same system but added on last season as well as this season, it removes anyone who simply got a season ticket for the prem and doesn't cause an issue. Assuming they then update there systems they could track and start to bring in a system that rewards our away fans rather than home fans.They used Man City to give people some level of hope. Now anyone who can think logically knows its false hope for the most popular games at least. They can't use the Wednesday game as an example as thats just giving people a stick to beat them with. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 16, 2017 3:10:02 GMT 1
I wonder if some Town fans will look to profit from fellow Town fans.
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Post by hd2 on Jul 16, 2017 3:30:44 GMT 1
I wonder if some Town fans will look to profit from fellow Town fans. Of course they will. Someone will always look to make some easy money. |
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Post by slackjaw on Jul 16, 2017 6:26:26 GMT 1
It wasn't that long ago that the people of kirklees didn't want to support a championship club....now there's too many.
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Post by jimmymac on Jul 16, 2017 7:57:48 GMT 1
Unfortunately Mrs brown who sits in the kilner with her blanket round her legs and a flask of tea 🍵 and who as had a season ticket continuously for 10 years as got PRIORITY OVER ME.....thats life eh... I know many of us have done the rounds in the mid to late 70,s but this can not be recognized in this situation.....its all about the Mrs browns of the club.... I,m pissed off but hey ho that's life.....UTT....I,M PRIORITY 4...... yes me jimmymac priority 4?  I will tell you why I,m priority 4 shall I....its because I haven't pledged my money to the club up front season after season after season......i,m saying fk all about how they have done it.....i can also see the against arguments as well but I,m afraid in reality the club have got it right....UTT...TTID......COME ON YOU BLUIUEEESSSSSSSS..... |
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 16, 2017 8:14:21 GMT 1
You can tell some folk on here have been spoilt growing up as kids.
Let's keep pestering Sean Jarvis until we get our own way wah wah wah!
How anyone can slag the club off in the way they are doing is beyond me? Just take a look at Sheffield Wednesday's ticket prices then put your dummies back in.
I think the point with the ToT is that it proves which fans were desperate to get to away games last season so therefore would be desperate for away tickets this year.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 16, 2017 8:33:26 GMT 1
You can tell some folk on here have been spoilt growing up as kids. Let's keep pestering Sean Jarvis until we get our own way wah wah wah! How anyone can slag the club off in the way they are doing is beyond me? Just take a look at Sheffield Wednesday's ticket prices then put your dummies back in. I think the point with the ToT is that it proves which fans were desperate to get to away games last season so therefore would be desperate for away tickets this year. But this has nothing to do with season ticket prices or Sheffield Wednesday it's about the priority system. They have made a bit of cock and balls of it really. |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 16, 2017 8:41:15 GMT 1
You can tell some folk on here have been spoilt growing up as kids. Let's keep pestering Sean Jarvis until we get our own way wah wah wah! How anyone can slag the club off in the way they are doing is beyond me? Just take a look at Sheffield Wednesday's ticket prices then put your dummies back in. I think the point with the ToT is that it proves which fans were desperate to get to away games last season so therefore would be desperate for away tickets this year. But this has nothing to do with season ticket prices or Sheffield Wednesday it's about the priority system. They have made a bit of cock and balls of it really. They were never going to keep everyone happy and due to a lack of forward thinking 2/3 years ago they failed to implement a proper points scheme which could've avoided all this. IMO they have to reduce the numbers somehow and this is as good as it gets for now. |
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Post by explorer on Jul 16, 2017 8:41:31 GMT 1
I don't believe that is correct. Seat moved = priority 1. (Confirmed by ticket office) I suspect ticket office are incorrect here....needs confirming but in the English language, the normal logic would be applied as clarified by my braces here: (All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17*) AND (have also had a Season Card for 10 years OR have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry) and not.... (All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17* and have ALSO had a Season Card for 10 years) OR (have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry). Unfortunately these are parentheses not braces, so I'm afraid it's Priority 5 for you my lad! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 8:46:55 GMT 1
You can tell some folk on here have been spoilt growing up as kids. Let's keep pestering Sean Jarvis until we get our own way wah wah wah! How anyone can slag the club off in the way they are doing is beyond me? Just take a look at Sheffield Wednesday's ticket prices then put your dummies back in. I think the point with the ToT is that it proves which fans were desperate to get to away games last season so therefore would be desperate for away tickets this year. No, ToT proved which fans were not very good at judging how often away games would sell out in the Championship. It was a one season membership, brought in to deal with the problem they thought they'd have (but didn't) with the increased season ticket sales last year. If anything, they should have introduced a new ToT scheme again this season. You don't get bumped up to 1st class on the train because you had a railcard last year. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 16, 2017 8:48:20 GMT 1
Getting Away Tickets (All messed up)
Getting Away Tickets (All messed up)
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Post by jimmymac on Jul 16, 2017 8:48:41 GMT 1
And actually the biggest factor in all of this debate is the actual AMOUNT OF AWAY TICKETS AVAILABLE!!!!
3,000 max is nothing!!!!
If we had a 5,000-6,000 allocation then this thread would probably not exist ......UTT
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 16, 2017 8:48:50 GMT 1
You can tell some folk on here have been spoilt growing up as kids. Let's keep pestering Sean Jarvis until we get our own way wah wah wah! How anyone can slag the club off in the way they are doing is beyond me? Just take a look at Sheffield Wednesday's ticket prices then put your dummies back in. I think the point with the ToT is that it proves which fans were desperate to get to away games last season so therefore would be desperate for away tickets this year. But this has nothing to do with season ticket prices or Sheffield Wednesday it's about the priority system. They have made a bit of cock and balls of it really. Is pissing and moaning about it really gonna help? Which ever way they did it someone was always gonna throw their teddies out! The point regarding Sheff Weds is that we've been spoilt as fans lately and we can't all have it our own way |
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Post by jimmymac on Jul 16, 2017 8:58:39 GMT 1
74,000 Manchester united fans are going to be disappointed by us giving them 2,000 away tickets.....
I knew this would happen to us once we got to the promised land....
Big change for all of us now tickets,kick off times,different days of the week,sky t.v.....just make the most of it people....
Never ever would I slate the personal who run this football ⚽ club.....they have got us here but yet they can't do know right from doing wrong......3,000 tickets in a 20,000 fan base doesn't add up i,m afraid.....just get on with it....
Ffs I,m priority 4......i,m priority 4 for a reason!!!!!!!!UTT
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Post by OTS Midge on Jul 16, 2017 9:00:32 GMT 1
And actually the biggest factor in all of this debate is the actual AMOUNT OF AWAY TICKETS AVAILABLE!!!! 3,000 max is nothing!!!! If we had a 5,000-6,000 allocation then this thread would probably not exist ......UTT Very true. Thought there would possibly be a thread about not having access to the North stand for our fans as we have 5-6000 away fans in there. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Jul 16, 2017 9:11:46 GMT 1
Have they really though? To get in category 1 you've got to have been a season ticket holder for 10 years. Doesn't that count as loyal?Serious question, if you go to as many away games as your post suggests why on earth didn't you get TOT membership last year ?
Still going regularly to away games, it was a Complete and utter no-brainer of a decision to join TOT last year. .........and for someone going regularly to away games I'd suggest it would have been frankly just stupid not to buy the card. I wonder how many people's interest in going to away games has been re-kindled by the fact that this season it's going to be Liverpool rather than Burton and Reading? Its not an easy thing to come up with a solution to and whatever they did, some people wopuld be pissed off, but fuck me, i had to read it 5 times before i could take in what an utter shambles of a decision they came to. Over the years I've posted more on the subject of away ticket allocation than any other subject. I remain critical of the club that they didn't introduce a scheme for monitoring away attendance years ago. Whilst it was a poor decision on their part, I never expected it to bite them on the arse to this extent. I'm not getting into an argument with you (I recognise the futility of that) and have some sympathy with your points. You've typed loads in reply to my post Captain (and loads more since), but you didn't answer my two simple questions so I've put them in bold now. I'd be interested in your answers. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2017 9:16:48 GMT 1
Andy ... quick question . What games last season could you not get a ticket for if you didn't have TOT membership?
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Post by mezz60 on Jul 16, 2017 9:17:14 GMT 1
74,000 Manchester united fans are going to be disappointed by us giving them 2,000 away tickets..... I knew this would happen to us once we got to the promised land.... Big change for all of us now tickets,kick off times,different days of the week,sky t.v.....just make the most of it people.... Never ever would I slate the personal who run this football ⚽ club.....they have got us here but yet they can't do know right from doing wrong......3,000 tickets in a 20,000 fan base doesn't add up i,m afraid.....just get on with it.... Ffs I,m priority 4......i,m priority 4 for a reason!!!!!!!!UTT at last!!! Jimmymac the voice of reason   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 9:22:28 GMT 1
Its not an easy thing to come up with a solution to and whatever they did, some people wopuld be pissed off, but fuck me, i had to read it 5 times before i could take in what an utter shambles of a decision they came to. Over the years I've posted more on the subject of away ticket allocation than any other subject. I remain critical of the club that they didn't introduce a scheme for monitoring away attendance years ago. Whilst it was a poor decision on their part, I never expected it to bite them on the arse to this extent. I'm not getting into an argument with you (I recognise the futility of that) and have some sympathy with your points. You've typed loads in reply to my post Captain (and loads more since), but you didn't answer my two simple questions so I've put them in bold now. I'd be interested in your answers. 1. You can be in category 1 having only bought a season ticket last year. 2. There wasn't a need, anyone could see that. The likelihood was that it would only be needed for Newcastle (it wasn't), the reality was it was only required for a game we didn't expect to even be playing! |
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Post by andyeastleake on Jul 16, 2017 9:25:12 GMT 1
one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years A very poor point IMHO and in fact it actually works against your argument. The vast vast majority (if not all) of TOT cards were purchased before the season started, when according to many we were much more likely to struggle than do well. The purchases were clearly demonstrating that they follow Town away and were prepared to do so in the Championship (you could easily argue (but I will not) that if you didn't get TOT or BWF last year you weren't that bothered about going to away games) Is it really so stupid of the club to regard this group as the people most interested in following the club away. (....& I'll stress again IMHO the club should have maintained records of away ticket purchases years ago....). EDIT Apologies I've messed up the quote Captain Slapper made the point about best season in 45 years not Steve. Apologies again. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 16, 2017 9:33:14 GMT 1
The club introduced a cheap, affordable option for getting ticket priority last season. I've been in the blue and white for years, for many factors but one of those is to safeguard ticket priority - even though it has hardly ever been needed, but it gives you peace of mind for some fixtures where we know we will take a few (Leeds for example).
The TOT scheme was initially unfair in the way it prioritised over Patrons and B&W, but this was rectified within 24 hours.
Some people sensibly took up the TOT offer as quite clearly the Patrons & B&W don't suit all. The option was there for every fan to buy it - to give them peace of mind on away tickets - for a measly £20.
If you couldn't bear to part with £20 - when you are a regular away supporter (where the cost of a day out is significant, then you're daft / too tight for your own good.
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Post by andyeastleake on Jul 16, 2017 9:33:22 GMT 1
Andy ... quick question . What games last season could you not get a ticket for if you didn't have TOT membership? Ted As it turned out probably only Burton and Wednesday. Is that the point though? Surely if you were as keen to follow Town away as some are making out they are now then surely it was an absolute complete and utter no-brainer to get the card. I struggle TBH to avoid reaching the conclusion people who didn't get the card last year weren't as serious about attending away games as they appear to be now. I wonder what has changed....... (....& I'll stress again IMHO the club should have had records of away attendance years ago to avoid this problem). |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 16, 2017 9:38:01 GMT 1
Andy ... quick question . What games last season could you not get a ticket for if you didn't have TOT membership? Ted As it turned out probably only Burton and Wednesday.
Is that the point though? Surely if you were as keen to follow Town away as some are making out they are now then surely it was an absolute complete and utter no-brainer to get the card. I struggle TBH to avoid reaching the conclusion people who didn't get the card last year weren't as serious about attending away games as they appear to be now. I wonder what has changed....... (....& I'll stress again IMHO the club should have had records of away attendance years ago to avoid this problem). Actually there was only the Wednesday game. There were still tickets available for Burton the day before the game. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Jul 16, 2017 9:44:29 GMT 1
The club introduced a cheap, affordable option for getting ticket priority last season. I've been in the blue and white for years, for many factors but one of those is to safeguard ticket priority - even though it has hardly ever been needed, but it gives you peace of mind for some fixtures where we know we will take a few (Leeds for example). The TOT scheme was initially unfair in the way it prioritised over Patrons and B&W, but this was rectified within 24 hours. Some people sensibly took up the TOT offer as quite clearly the Patrons & B&W don't suit all. The option was there for every fan to buy it - to give them peace of mind on away tickets - for a measly £20. If you couldn't bear to part with £20 - when you are a regular away supporter (where the cost of a day out is significant, then you're daft / too tight for your own good. Spot on - I can't afford every game but tend to get to a few most seasons & went to the majority before I lost my job. I got the TOT because in effect having a £199 ST that gave me a better chance of a ticket should the need arise seemed like a good deal (& when we did land in the play-offs I was glad I'd done it). If you never went away, or weren't bothered then you still had your £179 ST. Compared to the cost of travelling to any given away match, £20 for a year was sod all really. |
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Post by Floyds on Jul 16, 2017 9:53:23 GMT 1
I went to probably 15 away games last season and didn't even know the £20 thing existed!
Paid on the day usually and only couldn't go to Wednesday in the playoffs (although did go in the league).
My own fault, obviously, but I do think using the £20 to gain priority next season is a little odd.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2017 9:54:31 GMT 1
Andy ... quick question . What games last season could you not get a ticket for if you didn't have TOT membership? Ted As it turned out probably only Burton and Wednesday. Is that the point though? Surely if you were as keen to follow Town away as some are making out they are now then surely it was an absolute complete and utter no-brainer to get the card. I struggle TBH to avoid reaching the conclusion people who didn't get the card last year weren't as serious about attending away games as they appear to be now. I wonder what has changed....... (....& I'll stress again IMHO the club should have had records of away attendance years ago to avoid this problem). Wednesday as in the play off game yeah ? So in the regular away season the only game the 20 pound TOT ticket was of worth for was Burton away .... ok ... but it was a " no brainer" to buy one ? When Dean took over as chairman he made us all aware that if we ever reached the prem we could have a ticket for 100 notes... we all knew that ... I had a st.. then for circumstances I didn't ( probably gave the club more money at that point) then I had freebies (had to wrestle with my morality in that one) then had a ticket again,,,, but fine .,, the 100 pound thing was great... we all knew... all above board.. all there on the table so people could make an informed choice... When the TOT was announced was there anything in the small print that said " buy one of these for 20 quid and in addition to be able to go to Burton away you will also jump to the front of future loyalty queues " ? Of course not..... its just so random And then you say " what's changed ?" Well obviously what's changed is that we are now in the prem and there are grounds most of us have never been to.... I think I've been to see town at all the opponents in the championship ( barring Burton weirdly .... and if I'd known the 20 pound would tip that balance.... and if I'd had any notion we might get in the play offs then I'd have bought one and of course I wish I had now) ... but " no brainer " ? Come on Andy I think the club have operated in good faith and I'm not going to slate them for it.. but I think they've been misguided to be honest... they get most things right so hey ho... what I don't get is some of the comments from people trying to justify some of it ... One thing I'd like to know is..... if we stay in the prem for 20 years and if we keep the same system , is the only way some of the young ens ever get into priority 1 is wait for the old ens to die ? Bloody hell some of em will be suicidal that athey didnt pay their 20 quid or have their seat moved to make a gantry.. .,, I'm 50 now... town aren't the be all and end all for me.. I can live with it... but I question the notion of loyalty and why it should be so central to away tickets.... there seems to be a lot of smugness on this board at present ( and I accept that there has been over the top whining also ) which just gets people's backs up |
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