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Post by irverino on Jul 18, 2017 13:04:41 GMT 1
When Sir Ken took over Dean thought 'he was a brave man', I asked Dean why he didn't step in? He replied 'would you'? I said 'yes, if I had the brass' Dean smiled & walked off. We were at Card Factory HQ & Dean had bigger fish to fry (Clintons), when we finished the 500th shop at Grimsby he put CF up for sale & took over Town, when Charterhouse bought CF {undisc.} they put it back on the market for half a billion! If Sir Ken did make a few quid, so what, a very small price for where we are now, God bless them both...UTT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:04:58 GMT 1
When are we going to see the club badge changed with the words and numbers "established 2008" on it? All this loyal to "Sir Deean" BS is just that. Out of the 23yrs we've been at the stadium I've had a ST for 16 of them, 27 out of the 40yrs I've watched I've had a ST, seen us play in 80 grounds and been away from home over 400 times, had a ST last year and a TOT but because I haven't had one for the last 10 I'm not a loyal fan. All the time and money spent supporting this club all over the country when we were really shit counts for nothing with Dean Hoyle. He needs to realise how much of his hard-core fan base who have followed Town to all 4 corners of this country he's alienating. There are a lot of pissed off people who if it all goes tits up will not be venturing back down to the stadium. You reap what you sow Mr Hoyle. Don't bite the hand that feeds you I think those kind of people will venture down to the stadium regardless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:08:36 GMT 1
When are we going to see the club badge changed with the words and numbers "established 2008" on it? All this loyal to "Sir Deean" BS is just that. Out of the 23yrs we've been at the stadium I've had a ST for 16 of them, 27 out of the 40yrs I've watched I've had a ST, seen us play in 80 grounds and been away from home over 400 times, had a ST last year and a TOT but because I haven't had one for the last 10 I'm not a loyal fan. All the time and money spent supporting this club all over the country when we were really shit counts for nothing with Dean Hoyle. He needs to realise how much of his hard-core fan base who have followed Town to all 4 corners of this country he's alienating. There are a lot of pissed off people who if it all goes tits up will not be venturing back down to the stadium. You reap what you sow Mr Hoyle. Don't bite the hand that feeds you I think those kind of people will venture down to the stadium regardless. Don't be too sure. There's a lot of pissed off people and don't mean people like some of the  on here. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 18, 2017 13:08:53 GMT 1
well i've had a season ticket for 23 of the 23 years you say we have been at the current stadium - a patron since it more or less started - and attend about 80/90 percent of away games and i'm in priority 1 - seems fair to me No reasonable person can have any gripe with BWF or Patrons that have supported the club 'above and beyond' for many years getting priority. But £20 for one year?? Really? Do you think those fans that donated money to the club when they were in administration deserve priority? |
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 18, 2017 13:10:56 GMT 1
No reasonable person can have any gripe with BWF or Patrons that have supported the club 'above and beyond' for many years getting priority. But £20 for one year?? Really? Do you think those fans that donated money to the club when they were in administration deserve priority? No problem with that - assuming records exist to validate donations. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:11:10 GMT 1
No reasonable person can have any gripe with BWF or Patrons that have supported the club 'above and beyond' for many years getting priority. But £20 for one year?? Really? Do you think those fans that donated money to the club when they were in administration deserve priority? I think they deserve a better crack than what they're getting but some on here don't because it was before "Sir Dean" took over |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:16:12 GMT 1
Get your violins out; man who spent years boasting about how he doesn't go to games/pay for tickets, now crying because he's going to struggle to be able to buy tickets for away games and wants some loyalty back. Bang on, one of the Hoyle out brigade over the last few years can't get a ticket, such a shame. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:16:51 GMT 1
Must you keep on through the personal abuse? Just because you don't agree with me it isn't bollocks. Yes I think I do think the club owe me something. A bit of loyalty back. Putting my hard earned cash into buckets when the club was going busy, following a shit team all over the place. Being entertained? Do me a favour. Attending all but one game in 87/88 and seeing all 28 of our record defeats. So for once shut the fuck up and listen to someone else's opinion.  Have you tried ringing the club and informing them about this? Also as stated above aren't you the same idiot that used to brag about not paying to watch Town?.....you really couldn't make this shit up. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 18, 2017 13:18:00 GMT 1
Do you think those fans that donated money to the club when they were in administration deserve priority? I think they deserve a better crack than what they're getting but some on here don't because it was before "Sir Dean" took over FWIW, I'm largely in agreement with you and I'm a bit annoyed (as someone who donated a significant sum when in administration) that the club has made absolutely no reference to those that helped the club out financially when it was at its lowest ebb. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 18, 2017 13:18:30 GMT 1
I think those kind of people will venture down to the stadium regardless. Don't be too sure. There's a lot of pissed off people and don't mean people like some of the on here. the time to threaten the club with 'not turning up' has passed.. it might come again and presto thats what a lot of people did in the past.. should we get relegated and then fail to impress with our parachute payments you can always come back and say 'I could come back but I wont, I told you so'.. thats probably at best 3/4 seasons away, its a bit of a wait.. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 18, 2017 13:19:52 GMT 1
Do you think those fans that donated money to the club when they were in administration deserve priority? No problem with that - assuming records exist to validate donations. They should have records. There is a plaque in the stadium for those that donated X amount or more and my name is on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:22:52 GMT 1
Don't be too sure. There's a lot of pissed off people and don't mean people like some of the on here. the time to threaten the club with 'not turning up' has passed.. it might come again and presto thats what a lot of people did in the past.. should we get relegated and then fail to impress with our parachute payments you can always come back and say 'I could come back but I wont, I told you so'.. thats probably at best 3/4 seasons away, its a bit of a wait.. Could be the best transfer business of the summer when/if we get relegated, Moaner and the likes dont come back but we retain some of the "prem fans".....Dean really is the best about. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 18, 2017 13:24:45 GMT 1
I think they deserve a better crack than what they're getting but some on here don't because it was before "Sir Dean" took over FWIW, I'm largely in agreement with you and I'm a bit annoyed (as someone who donated a significant sum when in administration) that the club has made absolutely no reference to those that helped the club out financially when it was at its lowest ebb. significant sum? then why not pay into the foundation, for people with significant sums to donate, 8 quid a month does not sound a lot? we all donated for a while, we were not getting much back so donation was probably the right word.. trying to work out 40 quid a month over cant remember how many years, is that a significant sum, is it significant enough though? Im told I should not have any entitlement at all and if the scheme had not publicised away ticket priority then I would go along with it.. Was there any publicity regarding donations such as yours, were you promised anything..? If not its a gift.. |
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Post by tbwah on Jul 18, 2017 13:28:37 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances.
It appears to me as an outsider this TOT scheme was introduced to perhaps try and halt a slide in year-on-year declines in HTFC's sway attendance which had slumped 42.7% from a 2011-2012 average of 3969 to 2275 in 2015-2016.
It seemingly did not have the desired effect as the your average 2016-2017 away following slipped a further 4.5% to 2172 or -45.3% vs 2011-2012.
Therefore, the average away attendance over the last six seasons has been 3128 which is just 4.2% above the 3k Premier League away allowance.
However, i can fully understand that the 2172 & 2275 Terriers that followed the team during the last two seasons feel that they may/could/are likely to unfairly lose out on tickets to the 'big' games next season. I would probably feel the same way.
I am in no way trying to draw conclusions just passing on the information.
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2011-12 = 3969
2012-13 = 3897
2013-14 = 3847
2014-15 = 2609
2015-16 = 2275
2016-17 = 2172
Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:29:28 GMT 1
I think they deserve a better crack than what they're getting but some on here don't because it was before "Sir Dean" took over FWIW, I'm largely in agreement with you and I'm a bit annoyed (as someone who donated a significant sum when in administration) that the club has made absolutely no reference to those that helped the club out financially when it was at its lowest ebb. Come on, at this rate it's going to be harder not to be Priority One - we've even had someone claim they should be further up the pecking order because they've listened to games on the radio. The club haven't got infinite time on their hands to trawl back 15 years or inspect all fans' programme collections. The club has never sold away tickets on a first come, first served basis or ballot systems when there has been high demand and low supply - why are some seriously suggesting they should start now? Being in the PL means it is going to be hard to get tickets for away games. People need to accept that, move on and enjoy the season. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 18, 2017 13:33:44 GMT 1
What people don't seem to understand is the club had to get the numbers down somehow. Other than the system Town have put in right now and given that they claim not to have a decent away ticket record in place then how do you get 15/20k down to 1300(or whatever Bournemouth is.) Fire away Town fans lets see those ideas and as they used to say in school..show your calculations! First come first served. Everyone has a chance that way Let's say the club went with first come first serve and it turned out that all the tickets for a big game went to brand new season ticket holders who only signed-up this year or last. Would you be happy with that outcome? Not trying to be confrontational here as there's genuinely an argument for making it first come first serve but you could end up with lots of bandwagon jumpers getting highly sought after tickets. Through this system there's at least some degree of loyalty reward. FWIW I'm a 10-year season ticket holder (18+ years to be precise) but I am in Tier 3 as I have never been a member of Blue & White, Patrons or ToT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:36:30 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances. It appears to me as an outsider this TOT scheme was introduced to perhaps try and halt a slide in year-on-year declines in HTFC's sway attendance which had slumped 42.7% from a 2011-2012 average of 3969 to 2275 in 2015-2016. It seemingly did not have the desired effect as the your average 2016-2017 away following slipped a further 4.5% to 2172 or -45.3% vs 2011-2012. Therefore, the average away attendance over the last six seasons has been 3128 which is just 4.2% above the 3k Premier League away allowance. However, i can fully understand that the 2172 & 2275 Terriers that followed the team during the last two seasons feel that they may/could/are likely to unfairly lose out on tickets to the 'big' games next season. I would probably feel the same way. I am in no way trying to draw conclusions just passing on the information. For the record - 2011-12 = 3969 2012-13 = 3897 2013-14 = 3847 2014-15 = 2609 2015-16 = 2275 2016-17 = 2172 Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention. The problem is it's not the same 2,000ish every game. In reality, it's 5 or 6 thousand doing half a dozen games a season and a much smaller amount doing the vast majority. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:38:32 GMT 1
Must you keep on through the personal abuse? Just because you don't agree with me it isn't bollocks. Yes I think I do think the club owe me something. A bit of loyalty back. Putting my hard earned cash into buckets when the club was going busy, following a shit team all over the place. Being entertained? Do me a favour. Attending all but one game in 87/88 and seeing all 28 of our record defeats. So for once shut the fuck up and listen to someone else's opinion. Have you tried ringing the club and informing them about this? Also as stated above aren't you the same idiot that used to brag about not paying to watch Town?.....you really couldn't make this shit up. Make up what? Loyalty? Following a team that was the laughing stock of football? You could make it up but I think you'll find it's all true. No I'm the idiot that feeds you fools on here and you take it as gospel because it gives you ammo. Another muppet with head like a sponge that shit even you couldn't make up 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:40:14 GMT 1
First come first served. Everyone has a chance that way Let's say the club went with first come first serve and it turned out that all the tickets for a big game went to brand new season ticket holders who only signed-up this year or last. Would you be happy with that outcome? Not trying to be confrontational here as there's genuinely an argument for making it first come first serve but you could end up with lots of bandwagon jumpers getting highly sought after tickets. Through this system there's at least some degree of loyalty reward. FWIW I'm a 10-year season ticket holder (18+ years to be precise) but I am in Tier 3 as I have never been a member of Blue & White, Patrons or ToT. If that's how it happened from a fair first come first served basis yes I'd go with that |
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Post by andyeastleake on Jul 18, 2017 13:42:21 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances. For the record - 2011-12 = 3969 2012-13 = 3897 2013-14 = 3847 2014-15 = 2609 2015-16 = 2275 2016-17 = 2172 Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention. Are you sure those figures are right? I really struggle to believe we took an average of 3,969 away in the 3rd division (old money) and our away following has been lower in every season in the 2nd. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 18, 2017 13:43:03 GMT 1
Let's say the club went with first come first serve and it turned out that all the tickets for a big game went to brand new season ticket holders who only signed-up this year or last. Would you be happy with that outcome? Not trying to be confrontational here as there's genuinely an argument for making it first come first serve but you could end up with lots of bandwagon jumpers getting highly sought after tickets. Through this system there's at least some degree of loyalty reward. FWIW I'm a 10-year season ticket holder (18+ years to be precise) but I am in Tier 3 as I have never been a member of Blue & White, Patrons or ToT. If that's how it happened from a fair first come first served basis yes I'd go with that Fair enough. I would think there's probably plenty of others like you, but personally I think there should be a degree of loyalty reward although it is extremely hard for the club to determine what the cut-off point is. I'm glad it wasn't my decision to make. They've obviously made the decision to go with the 10-year season card pledge. To be honest despite being Tier 3 I'd stand a better chance on a purely first come first serve basis as well - but only in hindsight after seeing the system. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:44:31 GMT 1
the time to threaten the club with 'not turning up' has passed.. it might come again and presto thats what a lot of people did in the past.. should we get relegated and then fail to impress with our parachute payments you can always come back and say 'I could come back but I wont, I told you so'.. thats probably at best 3/4 seasons away, its a bit of a wait.. Could be the best transfer business of the summer when/if we get relegated, Moaner and the likes dont come back but we retain some of the "prem fans".....Dean really is the best about. I think you'll find "Moaned and the likes" have been around along time and your new prem fans will be long gone as soon as/if we get relegated |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:45:06 GMT 1
First come first served. Everyone has a chance that way One big ballot. No priority. Just pre-register online, over phone or in person for each individual match. 1 ticket available for each person. Tickets drawn, payment taken. No refunds. Everybody equal. Good idea. And who is going to take all the unaccompanied 8 year olds to games whose parents didn't win a ticket in your ballot?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:45:31 GMT 1
I know that, it's 5% on away tickets, e.g. £1. They don't exactly generate profit from that. For me, if I buy from the club & can't go I've lost typically £20, last season I intended going to Burton & Villa, but on the day too busy at work! Life's shit isn't it, but best thing is deal with it in context. So I presume you'll be buying on the day again this year, just in case you're busy at work and can't make it after having bought a ticket in advance  No I won't. With all the flack chucked at the club I will buy online to build up history & try to sell late if I can't go. I will be accused of trying to either profiteer or stopping others who want to buy. But, when people criticise the club for ToT & it's pulled they need to realise the possible consequences of their complaints. Life's a bitch, deal with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:50:16 GMT 1
One big ballot. No priority. Just pre-register online, over phone or in person for each individual match. 1 ticket available for each person. Tickets drawn, payment taken. No refunds. Everybody equal. Good idea. And who is going to take all the unaccompanied 8 year olds to games whose parents didn't win a ticket in your ballot?! I could think a few on here who would gladly do it 😲 |
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Post by tbwah on Jul 18, 2017 13:50:45 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances. For the record - 2011-12 = 3969 2012-13 = 3897 2013-14 = 3847 2014-15 = 2609 2015-16 = 2275 2016-17 = 2172 Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention. Are you sure those figures are right? I really struggle to believe we took an average of 3,969 away in the 3rd division (old money) and our away following has been lower in every season in the 2nd. Got them from legitimate websites. Obviously i have to take their word for it. |
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Post by tbwah on Jul 18, 2017 13:52:46 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances. It appears to me as an outsider this TOT scheme was introduced to perhaps try and halt a slide in year-on-year declines in HTFC's sway attendance which had slumped 42.7% from a 2011-2012 average of 3969 to 2275 in 2015-2016. It seemingly did not have the desired effect as the your average 2016-2017 away following slipped a further 4.5% to 2172 or -45.3% vs 2011-2012. Therefore, the average away attendance over the last six seasons has been 3128 which is just 4.2% above the 3k Premier League away allowance. However, i can fully understand that the 2172 & 2275 Terriers that followed the team during the last two seasons feel that they may/could/are likely to unfairly lose out on tickets to the 'big' games next season. I would probably feel the same way. I am in no way trying to draw conclusions just passing on the information. For the record - 2011-12 = 3969 2012-13 = 3897 2013-14 = 3847 2014-15 = 2609 2015-16 = 2275 2016-17 = 2172 Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention. The problem is it's not the same 2,000ish every game. In reality, it's 5 or 6 thousand doing half a dozen games a season and a much smaller amount doing the vast majority. Of course. As i stressed, i am not passing comment, just passing on the numbers i found. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 18, 2017 13:54:20 GMT 1
Could be the best transfer business of the summer when/if we get relegated, Moaner and the likes dont come back but we retain some of the "prem fans".....Dean really is the best about. I think you'll find "Moaned and the likes" have been around along time and your new prem fans will be long gone as soon as/if we get relegated we have mostly been around a long time.. given that you would appear to want to have the 3000 or the 4/5 or 6000 hardy old souls from the 'old days' rather than 20 odd thousand now, you can always ring Dean and offer to pay the difference.. if you really desire the old transit van days and a huddle in the middle of an otherwise empty away end there are many teams still there.. we may have more money than we have ever had but its still in competition with clubs with miliions and millions more.. every quid is vital for us.. we could make sure every old lad got an away ticket, wont make a cock hairs difference to wether we can financially do this or not.. especially if that old boy does not want to buy into our 'club'.. I have accepted I was a dinosaur and its not how it was.. If you dont like it, dont do it anymore.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:58:24 GMT 1
I think you'll find "Moaned and the likes" have been around along time and your new prem fans will be long gone as soon as/if we get relegated we have mostly been around a long time.. given that you would appear to want to have the 3000 or the 4/5 or 6000 hardy old souls from the 'old days' rather than 20 odd thousand now, you can always ring Dean and offer to pay the difference.. if you really desire the old transit van days and a huddle in the middle of an otherwise empty away end there are many teams still there.. we may have more money than we have ever had but its still in competition with clubs with miliions and millions more.. every quid is vital for us.. we could make sure every old lad got an away ticket, wont make a cock hairs difference to wether we can financially do this or not.. especially if that old boy does not want to buy into our 'club'.. I have accepted I was a dinosaur and its not how it was.. If you dont like it, dont do it anymore.. I'm not getting the chance or maybe you don't understand that. Yes i would prefer it as it was away from home in the old days, better craic and a better class of people. Not drip fed planks that mostly occupy this board |
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Post by JRx on Jul 18, 2017 13:59:06 GMT 1
Whilst we aren't there yet, it's quite easy to see how supporters get disillusioned with clubs when they reach the top and mess about with the fans.
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