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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 16:57:06 GMT 1
Cue the moans begin from people who were in P2 as this lessens their probability of bagging a ticket  I'm delighted by this news, however I wasn't kicking up a fuss about the original decision. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2017 17:05:17 GMT 1
Been away for a few days but pleased to get back and see the Club have responded to the criticism re away ticket allocation, -even though it doesn't help me  |
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jul 18, 2017 17:10:58 GMT 1
Cue the moans begin from people who were in P2 as this lessens their probability of bagging a ticket I'm delighted by this news, however I wasn't kicking up a fuss about the original decision. Well I'm P2 and I couldn't understand why this was overlooked in the first place so fair play to the club for listening. All a load of fuss as there will probably only be a couple of games I think where all this could be an issue |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 18, 2017 17:11:34 GMT 1
That'll do me.
Screw the rest of you.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2017 17:19:36 GMT 1
Right, so in your head £20 is more of a commitment than decades of support home and away? Thats 'as fair as it gets'? Utter horse shit. You know they have no information on decades of away support so its utterly worthless trying to factor it in. I think it's fair that newer fans as well as older ones get the chance to move up the priority ladder, yes. And those "newer" fans will still have had to had a SC through a period when we were relatively difficult to watch, so it's not like they've just jumped on the bandwagon.Lets not forget, long standing fans who chose a ticket priority scheme are in the top category, so they club have recognised those. It's unfair to you, because it doesn't suit you. Simple as that. Wrong again. i think its unfair to me because whilst i don't think i deserve a guarenteed ticket, i do think Ive earned the right to have a decent chance of getting one. You think its fair because you are guaranteed a ticket. Simple as that. To be in Cat 2 , aswell as a one off TOT payment, you only need to have had a SC for the previous TWO seasons. So they may well have jumped on the bandwaggon of championship football at extremely cheap prices. there is no appreciation or recognition of long standing, even medium standing , barely even short standing, support in cat 2. cat 2 is all about putting £20 ahead of years of support home and away. Edit- just noticed the announcement. Some common sense being applied. Well done to Town for realising theyd made a mistake and making it fairer than it was. |
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Post by htfc1984 on Jul 18, 2017 17:22:26 GMT 1
You know they have no information on decades of away support so its utterly worthless trying to factor it in. I think it's fair that newer fans as well as older ones get the chance to move up the priority ladder, yes. And those "newer" fans will still have had to had a SC through a period when we were relatively difficult to watch, so it's not like they've just jumped on the bandwagon.Lets not forget, long standing fans who chose a ticket priority scheme are in the top category, so they club have recognised those. It's unfair to you, because it doesn't suit you. Simple as that. Wrong again. i think its unfair to me because whilst i don't think i deserve a guarenteed ticket, i do think Ive earned the right to have a decent chance of getting one. You think its fair because you are guaranteed a ticket. Simple as that. To be in Cat 2 , aswell as a one off TOT payment, you only need to have had a SC for the previous TWO seasons. So they may well have jumped on the bandwaggon of championship football at extremely cheap prices. there is no appreciation or recognition of long standing, even medium standing , barely even short standing, support in cat 2. cat 2 is all about putting £20 ahead of years of support home and away. I've had a ticket 16/17 now 17/18 (things in my life changed so paid on the gate to games I could afford) but also a B&W member for over a year, still no idea what bracket im in? For the record I like many many others have been all over the country in all weather. Just not as much last couple years due to change in personal circumstances.. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Jul 18, 2017 17:24:03 GMT 1
Just to pick up on this point, I dont agree that B&W Foundation Members get priority over SC holders who don't pay in. Personally I don't pay in. I think with SC, Kits for the Kids, other Merch etc I spend quite enough of my hard earned money on Huddersfield Town. I fully understand the money helps the club, and hats off to anyone who does pay, but these people CHOOSE to do it, nobody is forcing them to. For me, length of SC should be the only deciding factor 10+ Years - 1 9-5 Years - 2 4-3 Years - 3 1-3 Years - 4 0 Years - 5 So if you're 18, you've had a season ticket for 3 years, you've gone home and away in those three years, you deserve it less than someone who just happens to have been on the Earth (and in the stadium) longer? Just life that. I'd got kids and they'd miss out if that was implemented. If they keep going long enough then they'll eventually make thier way up to P1 |
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 18, 2017 17:24:31 GMT 1
Wrong again. i think its unfair to me because whilst i don't think i deserve a guarenteed ticket, i do think Ive earned the right to have a decent chance of getting one. You think its fair because you are guaranteed a ticket. Simple as that. To be in Cat 2 , aswell as a one off TOT payment, you only need to have had a SC for the previous TWO seasons. So they may well have jumped on the bandwaggon of championship football at extremely cheap prices. there is no appreciation or recognition of long standing, even medium standing , barely even short standing, support in cat 2. cat 2 is all about putting £20 ahead of years of support home and away. I've had a ticket 16/17 now 17/18 (things in my life changed so paid on the gate to games I could afford) but also a B&W member for over a year, still no idea what bracket im in? 4 |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Jul 18, 2017 17:24:59 GMT 1
Just to pick up on this point, I dont agree that B&W Foundation Members get priority over SC holders who don't pay in. Personally I don't pay in. I think with SC, Kits for the Kids, other Merch etc I spend quite enough of my hard earned money on Huddersfield Town. I fully understand the money helps the club, and hats off to anyone who does pay, but these people CHOOSE to do it, nobody is forcing them to. For me, length of SC should be the only deciding factor 10+ Years - 1 9-5 Years - 2 4-3 Years - 3 1-3 Years - 4 0 Years - 5 If this was to be the case I think it should be more how many years out of the 10 rather than how many years in a row. Maybe you meant but think thatd be better for those who missed a season somewhere in the middle. I didn't actually mean that, but your right, that would be a great system. I'm P3 due to missing 1 in the last 10 so I'd support it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 17:28:47 GMT 1
Town are certainly getting top marks for reacting to feedback. Just makes you wonder if the ATT forum is functioning as well as it could be (be it fair representation, or the club not consulting enough) Don't know anything about the ATT forum, where it is, how to even be a part of it, when it's held. Like most things you hear about on the news when people have been "consulted"... where do they get them from? Members are selected at random each year from Category 1 supporters. |
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Post by JRx on Jul 18, 2017 17:31:39 GMT 1
Don't know anything about the ATT forum, where it is, how to even be a part of it, when it's held. Like most things you hear about on the news when people have been "consulted"... where do they get them from? Members are selected at random each year from Category 1 supporters. Probably why we ended up with last year's category 1 (the super priority) going into 1 & 2 and other 10 years previously falling into 3. Guessing they didn't have any representation from those that then fell all the way into 4. Seems biased and not actually representative of everyone. |
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Post by northnottsblue on Jul 18, 2017 17:33:37 GMT 1
More importantly,will there be free beer at Barnsley  ?? |
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 18, 2017 17:35:38 GMT 1
More importantly,will there be free beer at Barnsley ?? Don't mention beer to Barnsley fans. They'll get bitter. |
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Post by northnottsblue on Jul 18, 2017 17:40:32 GMT 1
More importantly,will there be free beer at Barnsley ?? Don't mention beer to Barnsley fans. They'll get bitter. Might as well make the most of it,before the season kicks off.I'm stopping in the concourse !! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 18:19:25 GMT 1
That'll do me. Screw the rest of you. Sent you a pm Pete, ref Burnley.  |
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Post by pjr43 on Jul 18, 2017 18:41:43 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances. It appears to me as an outsider this TOT scheme was introduced to perhaps try and halt a slide in year-on-year declines in HTFC's sway attendance which had slumped 42.7% from a 2011-2012 average of 3969 to 2275 in 2015-2016. It seemingly did not have the desired effect as the your average 2016-2017 away following slipped a further 4.5% to 2172 or -45.3% vs 2011-2012. Therefore, the average away attendance over the last six seasons has been 3128 which is just 4.2% above the 3k Premier League away allowance. However, i can fully understand that the 2172 & 2275 Terriers that followed the team during the last two seasons feel that they may/could/are likely to unfairly lose out on tickets to the 'big' games next season. I would probably feel the same way. I am in no way trying to draw conclusions just passing on the information. For the record - 2011-12 = 3969 2012-13 = 3897 2013-14 = 3847 2014-15 = 2609 2015-16 = 2275 2016-17 = 2172 Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention. What's your source for these numbers? As far as I can tell, the first three numbers represent the largest away followings in those seasons at our home matches, ie the largest number of supporters another team brought to our stadium. The fourth number is our largest away following to a single match that season. I'm not sure what the fifth number represents. The sixth number ties in with our average away following as published by Football League Zone in April (so not up to date). www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-towns-football-league-attendance-7346894www.millwall-history.org.uk/AwayFollowing2014-15a.gifthe72.co.uk/54224/championship-average-attendance-2015-2016/2/From those links, the official numbers seem to be: 2011-2012: 1422 2012-2013: 1359 2013-2014: 1343 2014-2015: 1110 2015-2016: 1128 2016-2017: 2172 (up to 11th April) |
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Post by andyeastleake on Jul 18, 2017 18:41:45 GMT 1
Are you sure those figures are right? I really struggle to believe we took an average of 3,969 away in the 3rd division (old money) and our away following has been lower in every season in the 2nd. Got them from legitimate websites. Obviously i have to take their word for it. Didn't doubt for a moment you were quoting some external source, which you'd be relying (quite rightly) on. What were the websites out of interest, away attendance seems a hard figure to obtain. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 18, 2017 19:17:53 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances. It appears to me as an outsider this TOT scheme was introduced to perhaps try and halt a slide in year-on-year declines in HTFC's sway attendance which had slumped 42.7% from a 2011-2012 average of 3969 to 2275 in 2015-2016. It seemingly did not have the desired effect as the your average 2016-2017 away following slipped a further 4.5% to 2172 or -45.3% vs 2011-2012. Therefore, the average away attendance over the last six seasons has been 3128 which is just 4.2% above the 3k Premier League away allowance. However, i can fully understand that the 2172 & 2275 Terriers that followed the team during the last two seasons feel that they may/could/are likely to unfairly lose out on tickets to the 'big' games next season. I would probably feel the same way. I am in no way trying to draw conclusions just passing on the information.
For the record - 2011-12 = 3969 2012-13 = 3897 2013-14 = 3847 2014-15 = 2609 2015-16 = 2275 2016-17 = 2172 Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention. Next time you decide to pass on information, try and make it decent info. Complete garbage are those numbers |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Jul 18, 2017 19:38:19 GMT 1
I have been reading this thread with interest & in particular the much maligned T.O.T scheme. As a bit (a lot) of an anorak i thought i would do a little research on the subject at hand. I fully expect to get royally slated & told to keep my nose out. I'll take my chances. It appears to me as an outsider this TOT scheme was introduced to perhaps try and halt a slide in year-on-year declines in HTFC's sway attendance which had slumped 42.7% from a 2011-2012 average of 3969 to 2275 in 2015-2016. It seemingly did not have the desired effect as the your average 2016-2017 away following slipped a further 4.5% to 2172 or -45.3% vs 2011-2012. Therefore, the average away attendance over the last six seasons has been 3128 which is just 4.2% above the 3k Premier League away allowance. However, i can fully understand that the 2172 & 2275 Terriers that followed the team during the last two seasons feel that they may/could/are likely to unfairly lose out on tickets to the 'big' games next season. I would probably feel the same way. I am in no way trying to draw conclusions just passing on the information.
For the record - 2011-12 = 3969 2012-13 = 3897 2013-14 = 3847 2014-15 = 2609 2015-16 = 2275 2016-17 = 2172 Hopefully i haven't pissed anyone off. Certainly not my intention. Next time you decide to pass on information, try and make it decent info. Complete garbage are those numbers Frankly comical that anyone believed we averaged nearly 4000 away from home  |
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Post by pdhtafc on Jul 18, 2017 19:54:22 GMT 1
You know they have no information on decades of away support so its utterly worthless trying to factor it in. I think it's fair that newer fans as well as older ones get the chance to move up the priority ladder, yes. And those "newer" fans will still have had to had a SC through a period when we were relatively difficult to watch, so it's not like they've just jumped on the bandwagon.Lets not forget, long standing fans who chose a ticket priority scheme are in the top category, so they club have recognised those. It's unfair to you, because it doesn't suit you. Simple as that. Wrong again. i think its unfair to me because whilst i don't think i deserve a guarenteed ticket, i do think Ive earned the right to have a decent chance of getting one. You think its fair because you are guaranteed a ticket. Simple as that. To be in Cat 2 , aswell as a one off TOT payment, you only need to have had a SC for the previous TWO seasons. So they may well have jumped on the bandwaggon of championship football at extremely cheap prices. there is no appreciation or recognition of long standing, even medium standing , barely even short standing, support in cat 2. cat 2 is all about putting £20 ahead of years of support home and away. Edit- just noticed the announcement. Some common sense being applied. Well done to Town for realising theyd made a mistake and making it fairer than it was. Captainslapper...you sir...are a wise man...kudos. Obviously the club realised their mistake. Kudos to them also! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:49:32 GMT 1
Will be interesting to see how tickets are sold through the priorities. If 1st come first served I can see some big queues overnight at the ticket office, especially with the recent issues buying online. Will be a cold night for some at start of Jan when United away goes on sale. At least 4000+ in P1 and P2, P3 with no chance for the big games.
Anyway am P5 so will take chance in ballot for Liverpool and Utd away.
Think the club have got it right. Hope everyone can enjoy the season and away tickets don't spoil it for anyone.
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 18, 2017 22:30:32 GMT 1
Please note that Town fans who have had a SC history of 10 years or more, although have been upgraded to Priority 2 can be dragged out of their seats at anytime in the future...thank you for listening.. #unitedairlines
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Post by holmfirth on Jul 18, 2017 23:40:46 GMT 1
This thread does seem to have quietened down somewhat since sense has been seen. Or are all the "loyal" fans out in Germany?
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Post by detox on Jul 19, 2017 10:35:20 GMT 1
The only remaining anomaly with the new away ticket system is the fact that the 'super priority' SC holders from last season get
recognition if -
they have had a SC for 10 years = P1
they have had a SC for 3 years = P2
but if they've had a SC for 2 years = P4 ? (ie no recognition)
Surely it would have been more logical to retain the inclusion of last years 'super priority' for the last group of SC holders
and do as above, and elevate into the next priority group (P3) instead of P4 ?
Can't figure why they would drop that priority criteria after the first 2 groups ..
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Post by terrierfortythree on Jul 19, 2017 12:35:06 GMT 1
Wrong again. i think its unfair to me because whilst i don't think i deserve a guarenteed ticket, i do think Ive earned the right to have a decent chance of getting one. You think its fair because you are guaranteed a ticket. Simple as that. To be in Cat 2 , aswell as a one off TOT payment, you only need to have had a SC for the previous TWO seasons. So they may well have jumped on the bandwaggon of championship football at extremely cheap prices. there is no appreciation or recognition of long standing, even medium standing , barely even short standing, support in cat 2. cat 2 is all about putting £20 ahead of years of support home and away. Edit- just noticed the announcement. Some common sense being applied. Well done to Town for realising theyd made a mistake and making it fairer than it was. ...you sir...are a wise man...kudos. Obviously the club realised their mistake. Kudos to them also! Strong, Strong rumours that Slapps has been 'corresponding' with Mr Jarvis since the announcement. What was involved in this to bump himself up 2 categories remains to be confirmed   |
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2017 12:41:54 GMT 1
The only remaining anomaly with the new away ticket system is the fact that the 'super priority' SC holders from last season get recognition if - they have had a SC for 10 years = P1 they have had a SC for 3 years = P2 but if they've had a SC for 2 years = P4 ? (ie no recognition) Surely it would have been more logical to retain the inclusion of last years 'super priority' for the last group of SC holders and do as above, and elevate into the next priority group (P3) instead of P4 ? Can't figure why they would drop that priority criteria after the first 2 groups .. I agree! Many B&W foundation members have been relegated 3 priorities by simply renewing our season cards! Given the unexpected circumstances of reaching the PL I have no issues giving long standing card holders with super priority from last year first dibs but to go from 1st to 4th doesn't sit right. |
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Post by detox on Jul 19, 2017 13:13:24 GMT 1
The only remaining anomaly with the new away ticket system is the fact that the 'super priority' SC holders from last season get recognition if - they have had a SC for 10 years = P1 they have had a SC for 3 years = P2 but if they've had a SC for 2 years = P4 ? (ie no recognition) Surely it would have been more logical to retain the inclusion of last years 'super priority' for the last group of SC holders and do as above, and elevate into the next priority group (P3) instead of P4 ? Can't figure why they would drop that priority criteria after the first 2 groups .. I agree! Many B&W foundation members have been relegated 3 priorities by simply renewing our season cards! Given the unexpected circumstances of reaching the PL I have no issues giving long standing card holders with super priority from last year first dibs but to go from 1st to 4th doesn't sit right. For the numbers involved, ie Super priority previously, with just a SC last season and this season it seems a bit churlish to eliminate the status the club have given to Super priority for the other groups (10 years and 3 years). Why would they classify these fans the same as fans who hadn't any B&WF, Patron or TOT membership and put them in P4 rather than P3 ? A 3 season card profile puts you in P2, but a 2 season card profile puts you in P4 ? Doesn't make logical sense to me. I've tweeted Sean anyway because I don't know who or how to contact anyone in the ATT . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:56:01 GMT 1
I agree! Many B&W foundation members have been relegated 3 priorities by simply renewing our season cards! Given the unexpected circumstances of reaching the PL I have no issues giving long standing card holders with super priority from last year first dibs but to go from 1st to 4th doesn't sit right. For the numbers involved, ie Super priority previously, with just a SC last season and this season it seems a bit churlish to eliminate the status the club have given to Super priority for the other groups (10 years and 3 years). Why would they classify these fans the same as fans who hadn't any B&WF, Patron or TOT membership and put them in P4 rather than P3 ? A 3 season card profile puts you in P2, but a 2 season card profile puts you in P4 ? Doesn't make logical sense to me. I've tweeted Sean anyway because I don't know who or how to contact anyone in the ATT . Presumably because people with a two season card profile have paid half price for theirs, where as people with a three year + one have paid full whack for one. I'm guessing it doesn't make sense to you, as it mean you're not higher up the priority list than you'd like. Also, I seem to remember you been one of the most vociferous non-attendees, so hard to have too much sympathy, to be honest. |
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Post by JRx on Jul 19, 2017 14:00:34 GMT 1
For the numbers involved, ie Super priority previously, with just a SC last season and this season it seems a bit churlish to eliminate the status the club have given to Super priority for the other groups (10 years and 3 years). Why would they classify these fans the same as fans who hadn't any B&WF, Patron or TOT membership and put them in P4 rather than P3 ? A 3 season card profile puts you in P2, but a 2 season card profile puts you in P4 ? Doesn't make logical sense to me. I've tweeted Sean anyway because I don't know who or how to contact anyone in the ATT . Presumably because people with a two season card profile have paid half price for theirs, where as people with a three year + one have paid full whack for one. I'm guessing it doesn't make sense to you, as it mean you're not higher up the priority list than you'd like. Also, I seem to remember you been one of the most vociferous non-attendees, so hard to have too much sympathy, to be honest. So one guy speaks out and fuck the rest? Thats basically what youre saying.. Quite a few missed that season due to personal reasons just like other have missed 1 out of the 10, but if it was that season they missed they have been relegated to 0 chance at the big northern games when previously they had the best chance. This is the main area which still needs to be amended. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:09:15 GMT 1
Presumably because people with a two season card profile have paid half price for theirs, where as people with a three year + one have paid full whack for one. I'm guessing it doesn't make sense to you, as it mean you're not higher up the priority list than you'd like. Also, I seem to remember you been one of the most vociferous non-attendees, so hard to have too much sympathy, to be honest. So one guy speaks out and fuck the rest? Thats basically what youre saying.. Quite a few missed that season due to personal reasons just like other have missed 1 out of the 10, but if it was that season they missed they have been relegated to 0 chance at the big northern games when previously they had the best chance. This is the main area which still needs to be amended. Demand exceeds supply. People are going to miss out. Man up and get on with it. The club can't possibly be expected to contact everyone and ask for a detailed breakdown of their attendance or lack of it. I didn't have a season ticket that season or the season before for personal reasons, so am in P4, although I had one for 15+ years before then. Yet I've been able to accept it and move on. I don't see why others can't and are either acting like spoiled children or coming up with increasingly bizarre excuses why they should be higher up the pecking order. |
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