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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 15:13:12 GMT 1
I don't know what the big mystery is here, it is pretty simple. Wells thought he could do better than Town, and lets be honest I don't think many realistically thought we would get promoted last year when the season started. Wells did what he thought was right for him, which was hold off on signing a contract because he thought he may have a chance of going to a team with a more fancied shot at promotion. I do not blame him at all for that.
Now things have changed and as a result of our promotion windfall he finds himself third in the pecking order, at least thats what it looks like from the outside. I can not blame him for looking for better opportunities of first team football. I have more respect for someone doing that than those that sit on the bench collecting a check. He probably feels disappointed that Town went out and spent 15 million on strikers but he can't complain as Town are not getting a longer term commitment from him and we obviously needed more options up front.
Sometimes things just happen. I like Wells, think he has done well for us and played a big part in the play offs. I would be happy for him to stay and fight for a place but if he wants to do that he needs to sign for at least 1 extra year. Town won't want him to leave for nothing so its either sign another year or be sold. Either way I would wish him the best.
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Post by NoToTrumpDonors on Jul 30, 2017 15:37:52 GMT 1
Not sure how Wells is suddenly worth £8 or £10 million. No way is he worth the same as Mooy and Ince. Striker or not. How much is Woods worth then?! A year ago I doubt anyone would have paid even half that for him. Is it just because Town got promoted and he scored one of the pens that clinched it?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 30, 2017 17:09:39 GMT 1
Not sure how Wells is suddenly worth £8 or £10 million. No way is he worth the same as Mooy and Ince. Striker or not. How much is Woods worth then?! A year ago I doubt anyone would have paid even half that for him. Is it just because Town got promoted and he scored one of the pens that clinched it? Didn't you see the quality of Wells play in the play offs? For me he outshone Rhodes, Forestieri, Kermogant and Grabben, and was of more value to the team. I'll bet everyone given the choice (including me probably) would have selected any of those 4 ahead of him as a striker and would have valued them (in £'s) ahead of Wells. If you put Woods into our system ahead of Wells it's not a foregone conclusion that he would improve our team and/or results. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 30, 2017 18:33:57 GMT 1
Its not last years market, more idiot billionaires, more sky dough, more parachute dough, more gamblers and less common sense.
Nahki will get 7/8 million into our kitty. We had a couple of real, proper, Yorkshire bargains in this window. Some excellent transfer business done.
ie some sort of VFM order.
Ince
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Depoiter (fk)
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Post by blueray4 on Jul 30, 2017 18:38:33 GMT 1
Wells not in the squad for Austria, apparently left behind because of his ankle. Interesting when you think we can only name a 25 man premier league squad. There's 27 there with 2 left behind. So 4 players need to be out. Presume one is Hudson, even if we don't go with Cavare maybe there will be another right back. So who would the other 3 be? Do we need to put 3 keepers in or can they be emergency keeper situation? I would say Bunn, Lolley (although playing well pre season but then maybe Wells is the one or Whitehead but why extend contract unless obviously coaching option. Someone's going to miss out. Billing, Schofield & Palmer do not need to be named in the 25 as they are under 21. Stankovic also is under 21. So 27 gone to Austria + 2 at home = 29. But 4 do not need to be named in 25. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 30, 2017 19:21:15 GMT 1
It will always be the case that Wells is only worth as much as another club is willing to pay for him,and limited time left on his contract means the club might find themselves in a situation where they have to take the best offer which could be well below what many believe to be his market value.
I am still waiting to hear the real reason why Wells does not want to sign a new contract as surely this is a golden opportunity for him to try and prove himself at a higher level.
Wagner does not seem to show any player favouritism , and that means the only pecking order in the team will be the players showing form in what will hopefully be a gelled squad/team.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 30, 2017 19:27:17 GMT 1
I had got the feeling that Wagner is a Wells fan so I'm confused as to the situation. Wells changed his style to suit the team and I thought he was more effective than ever last season despite his lower goals tally.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 30, 2017 19:29:08 GMT 1
Its not last years market, more idiot billionaires, more sky dough, more parachute dough, more gamblers and less common sense. Nahki will get 7/8 million into our kitty. We had a couple of real, proper, Yorkshire bargains in this window. Some excellent transfer business done. ie some sort of VFM order. Ince Mooy Depoiter (fk) Mounie Zanka williams Williams for wages is top VFM. Guess Nahki will be in his same contract situation this time next year if nothing changes. |
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Post by Melc on Jul 30, 2017 19:37:02 GMT 1
Not sure how Wells is suddenly worth £8 or £10 million. No way is he worth the same as Mooy and Ince. Striker or not. How much is Woods worth then?! A year ago I doubt anyone would have paid even half that for him. Is it just because Town got promoted and he scored one of the pens that clinched it? Using Chris Wood as a benchmark regarding Wells, then the stats make interesting reading. Wood..259 apps ....86 goals... Valued by Leeds at £20m in the championship. Wells...238 apps ....87 goals not including (20 odd goals) in Bermuda, valued around £10m in the premiership. Does not not look out of the way on price to me! |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 30, 2017 19:51:36 GMT 1
Not sure how Wells is suddenly worth £8 or £10 million. No way is he worth the same as Mooy and Ince. Striker or not. How much is Woods worth then?! A year ago I doubt anyone would have paid even half that for him. Is it just because Town got promoted and he scored one of the pens that clinched it? Using Chris Wood as a benchmark regarding Wells, then the stats make interesting reading. Wood..259 apps ....86 goals... Valued by Leeds at £20m in the championship. Wells...238 apps ....87 goals not including (20 odd goals) in Bermuda, valued around £10m in the premiership. Does not not look out of the way on price to me! Wow. I never realised he has been that prolific. Is that including his Bradford goals though? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 19:54:06 GMT 1
Maybe he's just hurt his ankle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 19:56:00 GMT 1
Using Chris Wood as a benchmark regarding Wells, then the stats make interesting reading. Wood..259 apps ....86 goals... Valued by Leeds at £20m in the championship. Wells...238 apps ....87 goals not including (20 odd goals) in Bermuda, valued around £10m in the premiership. Does not not look out of the way on price to me! Wow. I never realised he has been that prolific. Is that including his Bradford goals though? Are you suggesting his Bradford goals should be scrubbed from his record? If so I would agree! |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 30, 2017 20:25:44 GMT 1
Wow. I never realised he has been that prolific. Is that including his Bradford goals though? Are you suggesting his Bradford goals should be scrubbed from his record? If so I would agree! We're most of Woods goals not at a higher level? Surely that should be taken into account. |
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Post by wtd on Jul 30, 2017 20:39:38 GMT 1
But we shouldn't have been taking penalties now if he'd scored from 6 yards late into extra time, Golden opportunity missed. This is the difference between a top class striker and a striker that needs 3/4 attempts at goal to score once. If I was Wells I'd have that contract signed sharpish, he's never going to get a better chance of playing Premier football and fight for his spot and the pitch. Dean Hoyle won't let him walk away in 12 months for nothing. So basically, if you're not Gerd Muller then you're not good enough for our club. It will be interesting to see how much more clinical 10.5 million mounie is . We may be in for a surprise.. meanwhile Izzy "missed open goals against Wednesday and reading " Brown still harbours hopes of playing for Chelsea. How can this be possible ? Not sure it's fair to judge Mounie in The Prem by the same standards as Wells in The Championship. If Mounie gets near to ten goals this season then he will have done really well. The question would be... could Wells get anywhere near that in The Prem? I fear we will never know the answer. Good luck to both of them, wherever they ply their trade next season. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 30, 2017 20:43:57 GMT 1
So basically, if you're not Gerd Muller then you're not good enough for our club. It will be interesting to see how much more clinical 10.5 million mounie is . We may be in for a surprise.. meanwhile Izzy "missed open goals against Wednesday and reading " Brown still harbours hopes of playing for Chelsea. How can this be possible ? Not sure it's fair to judge Mounie in The Prem by the same standards as Wells in The Championship. If Mounie gets near to ten goals this season then he will have done really well. The question would be... could Wells get anywhere near that in The Prem? I fear we will never know the answer. Good luck to both of them, wherever they ply their trade next season. I agree. And I haven't seen mounie he might be linekeresque... and I get that wells didn't always look a natural in front of goal. Whatever Wells does he has given good service imo so if he goes I'll wish him the very best of luck |
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Post by wtd on Jul 30, 2017 20:53:19 GMT 1
Not sure it's fair to judge Mounie in The Prem by the same standards as Wells in The Championship. If Mounie gets near to ten goals this season then he will have done really well. The question would be... could Wells get anywhere near that in The Prem? I fear we will never know the answer. Good luck to both of them, wherever they ply their trade next season. I agree. And I haven't seen mounie he might be linekeresque... and I get that wells didn't always look a natural in front of goal. Whatever Wells does he has given good service imo so if he goes I'll wish him the very best of luck You'd think, having wanted to play in The Prem for so long, that this was the perfect chance for him to back his own talent and show he is the best striker at the club. Strange that he doesn't appear to want to take up that challenge. Does he not fancy it now it's arrived? He's getting no younger and this could be his last chance to play in the top flight. It's Russian roulette if he chooses the wrong club in The Champ and they don't make it. Sign the contract and show us Nahki. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:17:54 GMT 1
I agree. And I haven't seen mounie he might be linekeresque... and I get that wells didn't always look a natural in front of goal. Whatever Wells does he has given good service imo so if he goes I'll wish him the very best of luck You'd think, having wanted to play in The Prem for so long, that this was the perfect chance for him to back his own talent and show he is the best striker at the club. Strange that he doesn't appear to want to take up that challenge. Does he not fancy it now it's arrived? He's getting no younger and this could be his last chance to play in the top flight. It's Russian roulette if he chooses the wrong club in The Champ and they don't make it. Sign the contract and show us Nahki. It may just be his time to move on. Sometimes, in all jobs, the best thing to do is look for new challenges elsewhere and maybe he is at that point. I think his confidence may have taken a knock after last season so perhaps he just needs a fresh start. If so good luck to him. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 30, 2017 21:30:18 GMT 1
I had got the feeling that Wagner is a Wells fan so I'm confused as to the situation. Wells changed his style to suit the team and I thought he was more effective than ever last season despite his lower goals tally. This |
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Post by mrg on Jul 30, 2017 21:44:08 GMT 1
I had got the feeling that Wagner is a Wells fan so I'm confused as to the situation. Wells changed his style to suit the team and I thought he was more effective than ever last season despite his lower goals tally. This No, on the contrary, I understand bhuler thinks he's a princess and that he has too big an ego, wagner keeps his own council of course, but he's won a uefa cup, all he is bothered about is developing and protecting the interests of the club. Clearly town are now in a situation where the club is saying if you want to play in the premier league sign the contract, if not you are either gone or we will run your contract and your credibility down, which is sad, but it is a reality in business. We've paid him circa 750k a year for 3 years plus bonus and got circa 140m with any debt outstanding over the next 3 years covered. His agent is a really shit negotiator. Once you realise you are losing power in a conversation you need to make a move that works. That doesn't seem to be happening. |
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Post by Giggity on Jul 30, 2017 23:10:44 GMT 1
Not sure how Wells is suddenly worth £8 or £10 million. No way is he worth the same as Mooy and Ince. Striker or not. How much is Woods worth then?! A year ago I doubt anyone would have paid even half that for him. Is it just because Town got promoted and he scored one of the pens that clinched it? So you think Assombalonga is twice as good as Mooy? Striker or not. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Jul 31, 2017 1:56:45 GMT 1
No, on the contrary, I understand bhuler thinks he's a princess and that he has too big an ego, wagner keeps his own council of course, but he's won a uefa cup, all he is bothered about is developing and protecting the interests of the club. Clearly town are now in a situation where the club is saying if you want to play in the premier league sign the contract, if not you are either gone or we will run your contract and your credibility down, which is sad, but it is a reality in business. We've paid him circa 750k a year for 3 years plus bonus and got circa 140m with any debt outstanding over the next 3 years covered. His agent is a really shit negotiator. Once you realise you are losing power in a conversation you need to make a move that works. That doesn't seem to be happening. I don't know if he's had the same agent all along, but he seems to have a rich history of this kind of brinksmanship. I guess we'll see after we net out the agent's fee for his next contract: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahki_WellsI hope we get to see what he can do in the Prem BTW, just so we all know. I think he would look pretty solid for us, maybe even knock in some goals against top opposition. Pity his agent might never let us know. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 31, 2017 3:09:44 GMT 1
No, on the contrary, I understand bhuler thinks he's a princess and that he has too big an ego, wagner keeps his own council of course, but he's won a uefa cup, all he is bothered about is developing and protecting the interests of the club. Clearly town are now in a situation where the club is saying if you want to play in the premier league sign the contract, if not you are either gone or we will run your contract and your credibility down, which is sad, but it is a reality in business. We've paid him circa 750k a year for 3 years plus bonus and got circa 140m with any debt outstanding over the next 3 years covered. His agent is a really shit negotiator. Once you realise you are losing power in a conversation you need to make a move that works. That doesn't seem to be happening. This is an interesting take on things. There is your post and Phil in Californias suggesting his agent is the issue. This is news to me and would make sense. He hasn't got the same agent as Gary Roberts and Oscar Gobern has he?. Re the 'Princess' piece, I just don't see this. His work rate and commitment on the pitch last season was evident. He didn't look like a 'contract rebel'. Having said that, for Wagner to publicly say he is for sale (and his words have in my opinion lessened what we could get for him). Something ain't right. Anyway, I expect his departure to be confirmed this week and I for one will be dissapointed. . |
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Post by philincalifornia on Jul 31, 2017 6:34:21 GMT 1
Actually, I was suggesting that it might be, not that it "is". I just happened to read his wiki page and saw what I saw.
It would seem to be a bit nutty if he goes to a top Championship club. Wouldn't that potentially be rinse and repeat?
I hope he gives it a shot in the Prem with us. Then he'll know .....
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 31, 2017 7:01:22 GMT 1
Maybe it has always been about money rather than playing in the premier league. A bit like premier league players who want champions league football... In most cases it's more money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 8:23:30 GMT 1
Nahki's contract offer, is it the same one that was presented to him last summer or has he received a new one this year in line with the others who've all just signed extentions?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 31, 2017 14:54:14 GMT 1
Who has the final say regarding a new Wells contract IE player or agent.
It seems to me that the agent thinks there is not enough " Premier league " style cash being put on the table ,and maybe a case of the club not wanting to make Nakhi a better offer for reasons better known to them.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jul 31, 2017 18:32:41 GMT 1
- There was, maybe still is, a contract on the table that he didn't / doesn't want to sign (is he the only player not to sign a new agreement from those that got promoted?). To answer that question, I can't recall reading that Hefele has been offered/signed a new contract? Happy to be corrected. I believe that is true but he was also injured and thought that once he was back that might change. Time will tell |
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jul 31, 2017 18:39:54 GMT 1
Wells not in the squad for Austria, apparently left behind because of his ankle. Interesting when you think we can only name a 25 man premier league squad. There's 27 there with 2 left behind. So 4 players need to be out. Presume one is Hudson, even if we don't go with Cavare maybe there will be another right back. So who would the other 3 be? Do we need to put 3 keepers in or can they be emergency keeper situation? Third keeper, Schofield does not count to the 25 because of his age, so you could easily have well in excess of 25 because of youth/U21/U18 players. There is an age limit but can't recall immediately what it is |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 31, 2017 19:00:42 GMT 1
Maybe he's just hurt his ankle. Think you might well be right mate. Not sure why there is great pressure on him to sign a new contract from his point of view. He can just see the year out and maybe get some headlines in the Premier League. We have had good value from him already. It had always been our plan and his plan to trade him up at the right time, but not really necessary now from his point of view - best for him to keep his options open unless there is a massive contract offer? Only spoke would be if he has pissed off DH by not accepting a good value (for Town) move. I guess we will find out sometime in the not too distant future. Personally I don't mind keeping him - he has a bit of a big match feel about him and offers something a bit different from the other two - and in fact may mesh well with either if we ever need two of them on the pitch together. |
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Jul 31, 2017 19:06:34 GMT 1
If he does go I wish him well. That coolly taken penalty under immense pressure at Wembley is one of the reasons we're in the Premier League. But we shouldn't have been taking penalties now if he'd scored from 6 yards late into extra time, Golden opportunity missed. This is the difference between a top class striker and a striker that needs 3/4 attempts at goal to score once. If I was Wells I'd have that contract signed sharpish, he's never going to get a better chance of playing Premier football and fight for his spot and the pitch. Dean Hoyle won't let him walk away in 12 months for nothing. That's not really true though. If Nahki decides to stay and force his way into the team then there is not a lot Dean Hoyle can do. |
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