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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 23:06:13 GMT 1
Depoitre unproven in the English Premier League but being allowed the benefit of the doubt that he can and will cut it. Nahki Wells, unproven in the English Premier League but not been allowed the benefit of doubt that he can and will cut it. Perhaps if Wagner had signed Wells he would be owed the courtesy that other Players have. Firstly, that's not the word that's come from the club. Wagner wants to work with players who are here for the long term, rather than wasting game time and resources on someone who is going to leave next summer regardless. He'd likely have got a chance had he committed to the club. Secondly, of course the club have to give some players who've never played in the Premier League a shot and not give the same opportunity to others. What is the alternative? Town give you or I a go as it's only fair that we get the same chance as Mounié?! After all, none of us have Premier League experience. |
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Post by zoso on Aug 30, 2017 23:12:34 GMT 1
Depoitre unproven in the English Premier League but being allowed the benefit of the doubt that he can and will cut it. Nahki Wells, unproven in the English Premier League but not been allowed the benefit of doubt that he can and will cut it. Perhaps if Wagner had signed Wells he would be owed the courtesy that other Players have. To be fair though Morley, if Nahki won't commit to the club, why would the club commit to Nahki? Apparently he had his chance to sign a new deal but refused. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 0:38:28 GMT 1
Wood & Wells instead of Andre Gray for Burnley fans. Time will tell whether that's an improvement for them. I'd say it definitely could be but then Gray has scored goals at that level whereas the new guys haven't. I hope nahki scores against Brighton, Newcastle, Palace and Swansea.
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Post by TTerrier on Aug 31, 2017 0:56:13 GMT 1
Wood was double the price (maybe more?) Gayle and Murray both went for big money. Yes if you spend millions on a striker they're more likely to score goals. Kachunga came in and played on the wing so don't really get that either. The 'if we had a clinical striker' argument isn't relevant. We paid 1.8 mil and for that he was pretty damn handy for 3 years. We had what we had as a squad and everyone played out of their skin under Wagner last year. Kachunga came in as a 9 and was converted. He scored more from the wing than Wells. That speaks volumes. The argument about a clinical striker isn't relevant? What did the two auto teams have that we didn't? A clinical striker. Wells wouldn't sign a contract. He thought he was a Prem player. Either through bad advice or choice he thought Town might not make it. Not really keen on that. Once there he was offered a new deal. He turned it down. We all move on. I'm not bothered though. It's like when we sold Lee Makel or Pawel Abbot. Thanks for the memories, we were only ever a stepping stone for him. He made that clear from the beginning. Remind me who the fickle one is again? Me or a player in his own mind was really only ever here for the duration of that contract? Like I said, he'd have been the first knocking on the door to leave had we not gone up. My point about the clinical striker is that all those clubs were aiming for promotion when they signed Wood, Gayle etc. We signed Wells when we were low down in the league and not offering a great deal. Who realistically signs for Huddersfield at 18th in the championship and wants to spend the entirety of their career here? In reality every club is a stepping stone in for ambitious players. I just think as fans we tend to expect players to have some sort of love for our club when really they're just employed here. For someone who made 150 appearances and scored important goals AND played very well at times in our best ever season should be looked at in a more positive light imo. Reminds me of the disgraceful booing of Rhodes at his first game back for Blackburn. He didn't want to chance being here in the likelihood that we didn't get promotion; with a team that would be decimated and Wagner gone. He probably regrets it now but I don't really blame that decision |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 1:41:48 GMT 1
Kachunga came in as a 9 and was converted. He scored more from the wing than Wells. That speaks volumes. The argument about a clinical striker isn't relevant? What did the two auto teams have that we didn't? A clinical striker. Wells wouldn't sign a contract. He thought he was a Prem player. Either through bad advice or choice he thought Town might not make it. Not really keen on that. Once there he was offered a new deal. He turned it down. We all move on. I'm not bothered though. It's like when we sold Lee Makel or Pawel Abbot. Thanks for the memories, we were only ever a stepping stone for him. He made that clear from the beginning. Remind me who the fickle one is again? Me or a player in his own mind was really only ever here for the duration of that contract? Like I said, he'd have been the first knocking on the door to leave had we not gone up. My point about the clinical striker is that all those clubs were aiming for promotion when they signed Wood, Gayle etc. We signed Wells when we were low down in the league and not offering a great deal. Who realistically signs for Huddersfield at 18th in the championship and wants to spend the entirety of their career here? In reality every club is a stepping stone in for ambitious players. I just think as fans we tend to expect players to have some sort of love for our club when really they're just employed here. For someone who made 150 appearances and scored important goals AND played very well at times in our best ever season should be looked at in a more positive light imo. Reminds me of the disgraceful booing of Rhodes at his first game back for Blackburn. He didn't want to chance being here in the likelihood that we didn't get promotion; with a team that would be decimated and Wagner gone. He probably regrets it now but I don't really blame that decision Your point about him scoring in BOTH shootouts bares repeating. Bring indispensable twice in games resulting hundred million quid windfall should inure you from any opprobrium. Good luck to our second highest costing outgoing player. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 2:29:08 GMT 1
I totally understand why he didn't sign a contract last year, we were not favorites for promotion. However once we were up I am surprised he didn't at least sign for an extra year. Maybe Town wanted a longer commitment than that but I think we could have lived with it as it would have meant we could have still sold him should we go back down.
I would have preferred he stayed but if he won't sign longer term you can't blame Town for wanting to get something for him. It's really no more complicated that that.
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 31, 2017 5:05:35 GMT 1
In response to a few posts, if Nahki has categorically stated he wants to leave then that's that. We have to get what we can for him. But has he?.
I just don't buy it that the lure of such as Burnley is so great.
Yes, I know he turned down a new contract but unless he has done twice. It's fair to say a little bit has changed at the Club since the first time! (and I am not sure there has been a second).
This smacks to me of some sort of breakdown in relations between the Club and Nahki (or representatives that granted may have pissed Hoyle and or Wagner off).
None of us know the exact detail on here but from the outside looking in, we haven't tried that hard to keep him.
I really believe had we wanted to keep him, a deal could have been done as the way he applied himself January to May did not look like a Man deseperate to leave. Maybe he wanted more money. Such as Tottenham over Huddersfield, perhaps! but Burnley. Not for me.
There has to be a breakdown in relations and not just blanket Nahki will not sign for Town.
We have to hope that Mounie doesn't get injured and Depoitre who none of us know very much about is better than Nahki (which for some reason seems to be the general opinion based on I am not quite sure). Either that or wingman Quaner and Kachunga it is.
Would in my view have been the right thing to do to have Nahki to call upon. He wouldn't have let us down. He won't let Burnley down who have on this occasion done the shrewd bit of business and not Town for a change.
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Post by wtd on Aug 31, 2017 6:12:35 GMT 1
In response to a few posts, if Nahki has categorically stated he wants to leave then that's that. We have to get what we can for him. But has he?. I just don't buy it that the lure of such as Burnley is so great. Yes, I know he turned down a new contract but unless he has done twice. It's fair to say a little bit has changed at the Club since the first time! (and I am not sure there has been a second). This smacks to me of some sort of breakdown in relations between the Club and Nahki (or representatives that granted may have pissed Hoyle and or Wagner off). None of us know the exact detail on here but from the outside looking in, we haven't tried that hard to keep him. I really believe had we wanted to keep him, a deal could have been done as the way he applied himself January to May did not look like a Man deseperate to leave. Maybe he wanted more money. Such as Tottenham over Huddersfield, perhaps! but Burnley. Not for me. There has to be a breakdown in relations and not just blanket Nahki will not sign for Town. We have to hope that Mounie doesn't get injured and Depoitre who none of us know very much about is better than Nahki (which for some reason seems to be the general opinion based on I am not quite sure). Either that or wingman Quaner and Kachunga it is. Would in my view have been the right thing to do to have Nahki to call upon. He wouldn't have let us down. He won't let Burnley down who have on this occasion done the shrewd bit of business and not Town for a change. You state you don't know what folk are basing their good opinion of Depoitre on and then say, with great surety, Nahki 'wouldn't have let us or Burnley down'. How do you know this? Have you ever seen him play in the Premier League? You're just as guilty of judging Nahki in a good/better light as others are of doing the same with Depoitre. Leave what's best for Town to Hoyle and Wagner. They'll know the score, the facts, the ins and outs, far better than you or I. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 31, 2017 6:28:11 GMT 1
In response to a few posts, if Nahki has categorically stated he wants to leave then that's that. We have to get what we can for him. But has he?. I just don't buy it that the lure of such as Burnley is so great. Yes, I know he turned down a new contract but unless he has done twice. It's fair to say a little bit has changed at the Club since the first time! (and I am not sure there has been a second). This smacks to me of some sort of breakdown in relations between the Club and Nahki (or representatives that granted may have pissed Hoyle and or Wagner off). None of us know the exact detail on here but from the outside looking in, we haven't tried that hard to keep him. I really believe had we wanted to keep him, a deal could have been done as the way he applied himself January to May did not look like a Man deseperate to leave. Maybe he wanted more money. Such as Tottenham over Huddersfield, perhaps! but Burnley. Not for me. There has to be a breakdown in relations and not just blanket Nahki will not sign for Town. We have to hope that Mounie doesn't get injured and Depoitre who none of us know very much about is better than Nahki (which for some reason seems to be the general opinion based on I am not quite sure). Either that or wingman Quaner and Kachunga it is. Would in my view have been the right thing to do to have Nahki to call upon. He wouldn't have let us down. He won't let Burnley down who have on this occasion done the shrewd bit of business and not Town for a change. You state you don't know what folk are basing their good opinion of Depoitre on and then say, with great surety, Nahki 'wouldn't have let us or Burnley down'. How do you know this? Have you ever seen him play in the Premier League? You're just as guilty of judging Nahki in a good/better light as others are of doing the same with Depoitre. Leave what's best for Town to Hoyle and Wagner. They'll know the score, the facts, the ins and outs, far better than you or I. It's a forum and the 'leave it to them' approach would mean none of us post anything about anything, ever!. I am basing my view on Nahki in that I have seen him play shitloads of matches and am in a position to form an educated opinion based on just that. Re Depoitre, I have no idea if he will or won't be good enough. I suspect he will. The general view is we are better off with Depoitre than Nahki when nobody has seen enough of Depoitre to have an informed view. My post is also more about keeping Nahki and not instead of Depoitre. Not sure you have really read my post which is unlike you!. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 31, 2017 6:43:21 GMT 1
Let it go he's offski. Are we expecting any incomings today? Rebic? Maybe a prem loan to replace nahki?
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Post by wtd on Aug 31, 2017 6:48:46 GMT 1
You state you don't know what folk are basing their good opinion of Depoitre on and then say, with great surety, Nahki 'wouldn't have let us or Burnley down'. How do you know this? Have you ever seen him play in the Premier League? You're just as guilty of judging Nahki in a good/better light as others are of doing the same with Depoitre. Leave what's best for Town to Hoyle and Wagner. They'll know the score, the facts, the ins and outs, far better than you or I. It's a forum and the 'leave it to them' approach would mean none of us post anything about anything, ever!. I am basing my view on Nahki in that I have seen him play shitloads of matches and am in a position to form an educated opinion based on just that. Re Depoitre, I have no idea if he will or won't be good enough. I suspect he will. The general view is we are better off with Depoitre than Nahki when nobody has seen enough of Depoitre to have an informed view. My post is also more about keeping Nahki and not instead of Depoitre. Not sure you have really read my post which is unlike you!. Mate, I've read it and digested it and I still state that, even if you'd see him play a thousand times in The Championship, you are still only living in HOPE that Nahki will do well in The Prem League, just like we all are with Depoitre. However you stated it as fact that Wells 'wouldn't let either us or Burnley down'. My point was you don't KNOW that... so I'm not too sure 'you really read MY post. 😉 You can have all the OPINION you like (you often do and you're an excellent contributor) just like Hoyle and Wagner will have theirs. My point is, ultimately, only theirs will count. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 31, 2017 6:49:20 GMT 1
Let it go he's offski. Are we expecting any incomings today? Rebic? Maybe a prem loan to replace nahki? Teddy, whilst I agree with Wtd in trusting those in charge to do the right thing. I fear that if we don't bring another Striker in, we are very vulnerable in this area with no strength in depth. It would appear though that the Club have done all their business?. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 31, 2017 6:52:18 GMT 1
Let it go he's offski. Are we expecting any incomings today? Rebic? Maybe a prem loan to replace nahki? Teddy, whilst I agree with Wtd in trusting those in charge to do the right thing. I fear that if we don't bring another Striker in, we are very vulnerable in this area with no strength in depth. It would appear though that the Club have done all their business?. I'm not so sure mate, let's see what happens today. Town will be working on something. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 31, 2017 7:00:59 GMT 1
It's a forum and the 'leave it to them' approach would mean none of us post anything about anything, ever!. I am basing my view on Nahki in that I have seen him play shitloads of matches and am in a position to form an educated opinion based on just that. Re Depoitre, I have no idea if he will or won't be good enough. I suspect he will. The general view is we are better off with Depoitre than Nahki when nobody has seen enough of Depoitre to have an informed view. My post is also more about keeping Nahki and not instead of Depoitre. Not sure you have really read my post which is unlike you!. Mate, I've read it and digested it and I still state that, even if you'd see him play a thousand times in The Championship, you are still only living in HOPE that Nahki will do well in The Prem League, just like we all are with Depoitre. However you stated it as fact that Wells 'wouldn't let either us or Burnley down'. My point was you don't KNOW that... so I'm not too sure 'you really read MY post. 😉 You can have all the OPINION you like (you often do and you're an excellent contributor) just like Hoyle and Wagner will have theirs. My point is, ultimately, only theirs will count. Very well put Sir!. You are right, I cannot say for certain Nahki won't let us or Burnley down as I or anybody else doesn't know that. Accepted and agreed. There has been nobody on here more pro-Wagner than me (equals, yes and when he was being called in to question last season with some heavy defeats. You too were on here posting in support and that there was a bigger picture and boy was there!). I also have consistently been 100% behind Hoyle (when others were proportioning blame on him when the previous Manager was in charge). On selling Nahki though, I think we have got this one wrong and believe (just my opinion) that more could have been done to make him stay. Anyway, you are right in that we must (and we of course do) trust those in charge both behind the scenes and on the footballing side to make the right decisions. Am very sad to see Nahki go, much maligned and never fully appreciated for me. |
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Post by Marco4 on Aug 31, 2017 7:02:03 GMT 1
I read a lot of articles about Wagner over the last year or so, pointing out how he has eschewed the idea of 'Premiership experience' or 'Championship experience' in favour of 'good players'.
Wells has undoubtedly been one of those for Town, but it seems that his style of play would not fit in with Wagner's plan A at the moment (he's many things, but not good in the air) so he may as well be moved on for a fee than wait and let him go for free.
So long and thanks for all the goals.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 31, 2017 7:02:29 GMT 1
Teddy, whilst I agree with Wtd in trusting those in charge to do the right thing. I fear that if we don't bring another Striker in, we are very vulnerable in this area with no strength in depth. It would appear though that the Club have done all their business?. I'm not so sure mate, let's see what happens today. Town will be working on something. With 5m in the sky rocket, I'm sure they'll be looking for a bargain somewhere. 5m would get a very good loan, certainly someone who can make a difference. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 31, 2017 7:11:31 GMT 1
Let it go he's offski. Are we expecting any incomings today? Rebic? Maybe a prem loan to replace nahki? Rebic is reportedly returning back to Eintracht, seems as though Eintracht didn't want to pony up the full amount on their option to buy. It seems as though they took the punt that they would be able to buy him back at less than €5m. We probably got close but it seems not close enough. |
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Aug 31, 2017 7:14:13 GMT 1
Let it go he's offski. Are we expecting any incomings today? Rebic? Maybe a prem loan to replace nahki? Teddy, whilst I agree with Wtd in trusting those in charge to do the right thing. I fear that if we don't bring another Striker in, we are very vulnerable in this area with no strength in depth. It would appear though that the Club have done all their business?. DW has stated that he wants 2 players for each position and which he believes he has. Since we only play 1 striker the role has sufficient numbers to fill that position taking into account Kachunga was originally brought in as a striker. DW has said that if a player comes along that is what we need they will look closely at it. But as things stand we seem to have sufficient cover for all positions. Of course there is also the January window and am not sure what the position is with loans. I just cannot understand why a lot of contributors insist we must have another striker, when it is clear that we seem to have sufficient cover. Of course DW the coaching staff and players have seen what all our players can do and what they can bring to the table unlike the fans who may have had glimpses. No matter what we say or think the final arbiters in all of this are DW & DH |
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Post by drfootball on Aug 31, 2017 7:32:02 GMT 1
Not the best we've had at town and a long way from the worst. On his day fabulous , just wish had seen a bit more fabulousness (not a word) good luck son.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 31, 2017 7:49:07 GMT 1
Depoitre unproven in the English Premier League but being allowed the benefit of the doubt that he can and will cut it. Nahki Wells, unproven in the English Premier League but not been allowed the benefit of doubt that he can and will cut it. Perhaps if Wagner had signed Wells he would be owed the courtesy that other Players have. He's being sold because of his contract situation allied to the fact that he doesn't suit our style of play. This has been pointed out literally dozens of times on here yet you choose to ignore it and defend Wells with the emotional balance of a jilted teenager. Why? Isn't it just a waste of everyone's time raking over the same point for days? This thread is now going round in circles like a one armed canoeist. |
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Post by NoToTrumpDonors on Aug 31, 2017 7:52:19 GMT 1
If the answer to every comment about the team is trust in DW and DH I wonder about the point of having a forum at all. Anyway, I believe they have been trying to sign more players and if they don't it's because they haven't come off,
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Post by wtd on Aug 31, 2017 7:52:21 GMT 1
Mate, I've read it and digested it and I still state that, even if you'd see him play a thousand times in The Championship, you are still only living in HOPE that Nahki will do well in The Prem League, just like we all are with Depoitre. However you stated it as fact that Wells 'wouldn't let either us or Burnley down'. My point was you don't KNOW that... so I'm not too sure 'you really read MY post. 😉 You can have all the OPINION you like (you often do and you're an excellent contributor) just like Hoyle and Wagner will have theirs. My point is, ultimately, only theirs will count. Very well put Sir!. You are right, I cannot say for certain Nahki won't let us or Burnley down as I or anybody else doesn't know that. Accepted and agreed. There has been nobody on here more pro-Wagner than me (equals, yes and when he was being called in to question last season with some heavy defeats. You too were on here posting in support and that there was a bigger picture and boy was there!). I also have consistently been 100% behind Hoyle (when others were proportioning blame on him when the previous Manager was in charge). On selling Nahki though, I think we have got this one wrong and believe (just my opinion) that more could have been done to make him stay. Anyway, you are right in that we must (and we of course do) trust those in charge both behind the scenes and on the footballing side to make the right decisions. Am very sad to see Nahki go, much maligned and never fully appreciated for me. Good post. I'm not fussed either way over Nahki. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 31, 2017 7:53:29 GMT 1
Depoitre unproven in the English Premier League but being allowed the benefit of the doubt that he can and will cut it. Nahki Wells, unproven in the English Premier League but not been allowed the benefit of doubt that he can and will cut it. Perhaps if Wagner had signed Wells he would be owed the courtesy that other Players have. He's being sold because of his contract situation allied to the fact that he doesn't suit our style of play. This has been pointed out literally dozens of times on here yet you choose to ignore it and defend Wells with the emotional balance of a jilted teenager. Why? Isn't it just a waste of everyone's time raking over the same point for days? This thread is now going round in circles like a one armed canoeist. If there is anything wrong with replying to people's posts and also offering opinions on a Huddersfield Town forum about a Huddersfield Town Player. Then I am guilty as charged. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 31, 2017 7:57:55 GMT 1
Must have something in the pipeline.... cant see us letting Nahki leave without replacing him.
We have mounie, a striker not deemed good enough or fit enough even for the bench and two strikers that couldnt compete with nahki in the championship.
Surely someone will come in on loan.... we seem to have gone from no Plan B big strong target man, to no plan A fast, high pressing, hard working (although i agree plan B is the new plan A)
Surely we need another attacking option, someone to play off mounie or deportre.
Time will tell,I hoped Nahki would stay, ill be sad to see him go, but no need to not send him with our best wishes, hes always been open and honest, probably too much for his own good. You cant question his workrate and adaptability and I think Burnley are getting a much improved footballer that if he fits into their style could score a good few goals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 8:00:50 GMT 1
Has he gone yet? Let's get some brass for him asap. Even if it means selling him to a lower league club, time to say goodbye to a player who does not want to be here!
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Post by alexdire on Aug 31, 2017 8:15:00 GMT 1
Must have something in the pipeline.... cant see us letting Nahki leave without replacing him. We have mounie, a striker not deemed good enough or fit enough even for the bench and two strikers that couldnt compete with nahki in the championship. Surely someone will come in on loan.... we seem to have gone from no Plan B big strong target man, to no plan A fast, high pressing, hard working (although i agree plan B is the new plan A) Surely we need another attacking option, someone to play off mounie or deportre. Time will tell,I hoped Nahki would stay, ill be sad to see him go, but no need to not send him with our best wishes, hes always been open and honest, probably too much for his own good. You cant question his workrate and adaptability and I think Burnley are getting a much improved footballer that if he fits into their style could score a good few goals. One of those strikers you say couldn't compete with Wells in the championship. Was our top scorer last season, playing out of position. That tells me he could compete, did and was better than him. Have you watched Mounié in any games? He does a hell of a lot more pressing and work than Wells. Much better at leading the line and providing us with an option for an out ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 8:17:59 GMT 1
Has he gone yet? Let's get some brass for him asap. Even if it means selling him to a lower league club, time to say goodbye to a player who does not want to be here! You make it sound as though we have a choice in the matter, other than paying him off (we don't) Wells could if he wishes sit out his contract (he won't) I expect he'll get his move today. |
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Post by Spike24 on Aug 31, 2017 8:19:39 GMT 1
My stoke supporting colleague is suggesting we are sniffing around mame biram diouf.
Anybody heard anything on this or is it just another shite rumour? The German link perhaps?
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Aug 31, 2017 8:29:16 GMT 1
Nahki Wells.
Thought he had outgrown the club, thus not signing a new contract.
Unfortunately for him it's backfired.
We have moved on and got better players in this why I'm not arsed if he stays or goes.
Wagner I'm sure would have given him a chance in the prem like all the others and made him s better player. His loss. Badly advised. Silly lad.
Good luck in whichever path you are taken on.
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Post by tootch on Aug 31, 2017 8:51:24 GMT 1
Realistically at 27 the next contract Nakhi sign's will take him towards the end of his career. The reason he wouldn't sign a new contract is all about money. I'm guessing he wanted to more than double the around £10,000 a week he's on now. If David Wagner has said to Dean Hoyle , like he did with Mooy. I want this lad, Nakhi Wells would have signed a contract months ago.
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