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Post by crux on Aug 31, 2017 9:13:51 GMT 1
Realistically at 27 the next contract Nakhi sign's will take him towards the end of his career. The reason he wouldn't sign a new contract is all about money. I'm guessing he wanted to more than double the around £10,000 a week he's on now. If David Wagner has said to Dean Hoyle , like he did with Mooy. I want this lad, Nakhi Wells would have signed a contract months ago. But he was offered a new contract (once during last season and again after we got promoted) and his agent turned it down and wasn't interested in talking about terms. I accept that DW isn't that bothered about keeping him as a player, although with only 10 goals as a main striker in a promotion winning team you can't really blame him. I suspect, as you said, it's all about money - unfortunately that probably includes the agent as much as Nahki. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 31, 2017 9:19:28 GMT 1
Both Town and Wells should be thankful they got together.
Wells has come on leaps and bounds and so did Town during his time here.
He was an important part of firstly keeping us in the championship and getting us promoted last season.
Shame it's ended as it is but that's football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:38:52 GMT 1
Has he gone yet? Let's get some brass for him asap. Even if it means selling him to a lower league club, time to say goodbye to a player who does not want to be here! You make it sound as though we have a choice in the matter, other than paying him off (we don't) Wells could if he wishes sit out his contract (he won't) I expect he'll get his move today. Of course we have a choice. We don't have to pay him off, we could let him rot. Dean and the club will dictate what happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:54:16 GMT 1
You make it sound as though we have a choice in the matter, other than paying him off (we don't) Wells could if he wishes sit out his contract (he won't) I expect he'll get his move today. Of course we have a choice. We don't have to pay him off, we could let him rot. Dean and the club will dictate what happens. You still have to pay him. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 31, 2017 10:02:32 GMT 1
For me there are two issues here:
One is the deal: the Nahki to Burnley story has been around for nearly two years now; my guess is that him and his agent already had a deal with them. Going for what's been reported as Dean Hoyle's position my guess is that they were trying to start a bidding war. If you think back to when we bought him all the talk was about other clubs coming in so I think they were trying the same trick. With this deal and the Oliver Burke transfer I think it shows that our position is that we offer what we think is our best deal and if the player thinks he can get better elsewhere then we leave it.
As a player though I can't fault what he's done for the club, he's done everything Wagner asked for him and it's been a good deal for us if only for his last ever kick as a Town player. I disagree with those who say Wagner doesn't think he's good enough for the Prem because we offered him a contract as a Prem player.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 31, 2017 10:21:52 GMT 1
After a flurry of incomings at Burnley, the club aren't expecting to add anymore new faces to the first team squad.
Still waiting on Nakhi Wells to be completed from Huddersfield but that was yesterday.
Quite a bit of noise around Ashley Barnes and a possible move away from Turf Moor but no real interest from other clubs as yet for the striker.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2017 10:27:41 GMT 1
The next time somebody posts that Wells has sulked, taken his ball home, been disruptive etc could they PLEASE provide one shred of evidence. I've read so much on this board about his attitude that seems to have no basis whatsoever, other than an obvious dislike of the player. I can understand a supporter not liking a player, I can understand a player not agreeing to whatever terms we have offered, but every time I've seen Wells play - he has put in the effort and teamwork that I expect from a professional. I also didn't see the VLPs, Kachungas etc stepping up to take penalties when it mattered. As for him missing loads of chances last season I must have been at different matches to certain posters - the number of times he was by himself in the penalty area was legion, and considering we played wingers I don't remember many crosses from VLP and the like that didn't either sail over his head or hit the first man. If he is going to a rival-for-relegation I think we are making a mistake. I can assure you that there is no way that Sean Dyche is going to play him up front by himself. All about opinion as ever, but I feel we must replace him - this week. As has been said the thought of the likes of Quaner taking on a Premiership defence is mind-boggling. Tikka boo son. Absolutely spot on mate |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2017 10:29:43 GMT 1
His all round game improved last season but to the detriment of his goal scoring think it's a good deal myself but we could do with a loan maybe as cover. Don't see why certain people are acting like drama queens it's nahki wells were selling not like he's the best striker we have is it ! Spot on, he's very average. He wouldn't sign a contract, let's move on and get behind our amazing club. I'm glad he's going TBH, good deal as we get A very good fee, We would have got nothing next summer. And we could get Ishy Miller back, you always said he was better than Nakhi |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2017 10:30:24 GMT 1
Sure Wagner will have somthing pland for this happening Probably some sort of loan striker coming in or somthing similar. and he's not very good. But miles better than Quaner |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 31, 2017 10:31:28 GMT 1
Spot on, he's very average. He wouldn't sign a contract, let's move on and get behind our amazing club. I'm glad he's going TBH, good deal as we get A very good fee, We would have got nothing next summer. And we could get Ishy Miller back, you always said he was better than Nakhi Imagine Ishy Miller in this team. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2017 10:36:50 GMT 1
Their system should suit him. Someone doing the graft for him to move into space in the box. I never fancied him to score in a 1 on 1. That was throughout his time here. Fair comment- he struggled when he had time but then second half of the season he struggled when he didn't have time either. Was it 1 in 17 towards end of season- summer like that. He'll stick Kachunga up front if he needs a pacey option. How many did EK score after Xmas, can't have been many ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 11:11:35 GMT 1
Kachunga came in as a 9 and was converted. He scored more from the wing than Wells. That speaks volumes. The argument about a clinical striker isn't relevant? What did the two auto teams have that we didn't? A clinical striker. Wells wouldn't sign a contract. He thought he was a Prem player. Either through bad advice or choice he thought Town might not make it. Not really keen on that. Once there he was offered a new deal. He turned it down. We all move on. I'm not bothered though. It's like when we sold Lee Makel or Pawel Abbot. Thanks for the memories, we were only ever a stepping stone for him. He made that clear from the beginning. Remind me who the fickle one is again? Me or a player in his own mind was really only ever here for the duration of that contract? Like I said, he'd have been the first knocking on the door to leave had we not gone up. My point about the clinical striker is that all those clubs were aiming for promotion when they signed Wood, Gayle etc. We signed Wells when we were low down in the league and not offering a great deal. Who realistically signs for Huddersfield at 18th in the championship and wants to spend the entirety of their career here? In reality every club is a stepping stone in for ambitious players. I just think as fans we tend to expect players to have some sort of love for our club when really they're just employed here. For someone who made 150 appearances and scored important goals AND played very well at times in our best ever season should be looked at in a more positive light imo. Reminds me of the disgraceful booing of Rhodes at his first game back for Blackburn. He didn't want to chance being here in the likelihood that we didn't get promotion; with a team that would be decimated and Wagner gone. He probably regrets it now but I don't really blame that decision I don't blame him for his decision, but you can't have your cake and eat it in life. That doesn't just apply to football. The grass it isn't always greener (end of clichés!). Wells' major issue is that he thinks he is much better than he actually he is and that's been apparent from his comments from the start and the contract situation. I am grateful for the first two years and his goals which were key but we've moved on a hell of a lot. In terms of the clinical striker and preparing for promotion, Town might not have been. However, we were certainly aiming to improve hence we were heavily in for Terrode. Maybe the Club felt that Wells wasn't the man to fully do this? Who knows? Merely speculation on my part. Like I said before, if we'd got Terrode or Uth last season this debate would have been this time last year. This may come across as churlish but Wells isn't even in my top 5 strikers during my time watching Town. These are not in any order but I'd have Booth, Stewart, Rhodes, Roberts and Shearer in there. Others may disagree but that's the beauty of this forum. In Nahki's defence, he never really had a true partner. But a top striker can adapt to various different systems. With Wagner he never truly looked comfortable. These players are still spoken about by some with great reverence. I'm prepared to bet that Wells never will be. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 31, 2017 11:12:57 GMT 1
I think that we should do the deal and then agree with Burnley to announce that we sold Wells for just £1.4m Chew on that, Chickens ...  |
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Post by mykindatown on Aug 31, 2017 11:23:00 GMT 1
But miles better than Quaner Ings on loan |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2017 11:23:54 GMT 1
Depoitre unproven in the English Premier League but being allowed the benefit of the doubt that he can and will cut it. Nahki Wells, unproven in the English Premier League but not been allowed the benefit of doubt that he can and will cut it. Perhaps if Wagner had signed Wells he would be owed the courtesy that other Players have. Depoitre has won the Belgium league playing as a key man and was top scorer in the division. He's also played for the Belgium national team (which at this moment is better than Englands) Crucially depoitre fits our formation / style whereas Wells makes the best of it but ultimately is too lightweight and meek in the challenge We get £5m and I actually think this move also suits Wells as he performs better in a two. So good luck to him My view is that if Wells was that good and £5m such a steal then why is only Burnley offering it, Wagner has been hawking Wells' availability for weeks. Time will tell whether Dyche is a genius and he's had Towns pants down. Problem being Depoitre can't get on the bench at the moment, Big Steve hasn't looked like scoring in the 2 games since Palace and we're then left with a striker/winger who has had half a good season in the Championship and another who was signed for comedic value. |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 31, 2017 11:27:34 GMT 1
Depoitre has won the Belgium league playing as a key man and was top scorer in the division. He's also played for the Belgium national team (which at this moment is better than Englands) Crucially depoitre fits our formation / style whereas Wells makes the best of it but ultimately is too lightweight and meek in the challenge We get £5m and I actually think this move also suits Wells as he performs better in a two. So good luck to him My view is that if Wells was that good and £5m such a steal then why is only Burnley offering it, Wagner has been hawking Wells' availability for weeks. Time will tell whether Dyche is a genius and he's had Towns pants down. Problem being Depoitre can't get on the bench at the moment, Big Steve hasn't looked like scoring in the 2 games since Palace and we're then left with a striker/winger who has had half a good season in the Championship and another who was signed for comedic value. Wouldn't go as far as saying Steve didn't look like scoring - had some clear chances and gets in the right areas- my concern is what if he gets injured or goes off the boil a bit....still, in Wagner we trust!! |
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Post by elindalo on Aug 31, 2017 11:30:31 GMT 1
Mention of Booth, Stewart, Rhodes, Roberts, Shearer (Mint82) puts the assessment of Wells neatly into context. Such qualities as he has do not put Wells anywhere near that class.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2017 11:31:07 GMT 1
Wood and Wells will be a good combo for Burnley (Wood and Grey would have been even better). Small regret in Nahki going is that at Town we never saw him in his best position alongside a big lad. I think he will surprise a few in the Prem and a good bit of business for Dyche. I admire the way Wells worked hard to adapt his style to the lone striker role. He leaves us a far more accomplished player than he came. He has provided some top moments. The first was that dramatic late goal against Millwall on his debut. I was right behind the line of flight for that free kick at QPR, and I thought he kept his best 3 games for Town in the play off games....a bit of a masterclass from DW on how to get someone fresh for a bunch of games.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2017 11:32:11 GMT 1
I think that we should do the deal and then agree with Burnley to announce that we sold Wells for just £1.4m Chew on that, Chickens ... "Peck at that" would have been so much better  |
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Post by shepley58 on Aug 31, 2017 11:34:13 GMT 1
£5m - if that is the offer - looks like good business to me.
Assume that Nakhi is worth £5m today. In a years time he will be worth zero to us. On a straight line basis he depreciates at a little over £400k per month. After tonight he can't be sold until January when he be will worth £1.6m less. Or (roughly) one Christopher Schindler if you look in the right places.
Whether Wells or his agent have tried it on with Hoyle and it has backfired or there has been an unfortunate breakdown in communications is, to my mind, now irrelevant. It's too late for marriage guidance counselling. Shit happens. Sell, pay Bradford their share (I hope they spend it wisely and get promoted) and move on.
He goes with my best wishes for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 11:37:16 GMT 1
The thing that wound me up with Wells was when he stood on the pitch at Wembley and said he'd look at sorting a new contract! This was in the TV interviews during the celebrations. He'd refused to sign one for how long? He'd have been the first knocking on the door to leave if we hadn't gone up. No two ways. Players can point to loyalty and putting performances in, but it works two ways and it has in this instance. If he'd gone in Jan last season I wouldn't have been bothered. It really stands out that he missed quality coaching early in his career - he didn't come through a club's youth system and it shows. It is isn't the be all and end all but his first touch leaves a lot to be desired and his finishing. His game has developed but has it really developed how everyone thought it would? Was it really apparent that he worked on his finishing, for example? That wound you up?! Likelihood is once the season got underway both parties agreed they'd play out the season and take contract discussion off the table (I seem to remember Wagner or someone saying this is the preferred modus operandi and partly why they liked to sign players in, so you've got players in the full ore season who know they're their for the duration etc). And the likelihood is that as the season climaxed, they were collectively told that extended contracts etc would be offered soon after the season ended, effectively as part of the early transfer dealings. Nahki would have either been told that we would be discussing an extended contract specifically, or would have assumed that as part of the promoted team he was part of the collective of players who would get extended (like Whitehead etc).. We signed some players to extended deals. We didn't sign Nahki. Thats all we know. We need to stop this, "he refused to sign" show, because that was last summer and had no impact on his commitment this past season...he *couldnt* just turn up in November, knock on Wagners door and go, "anyway, about that contract you offered me back in June, can I sign it now please"...things don't work like that. His "refusal to commit" would have effectively been a 2, maybe 4 week window, that's all. And in any other season bar the one we've just had, he'd have been walking out of Hudds this summer to a middle of the road Championship club with Town desperately clawing back £2m or whatever in order to build some kind of transfer pot to avoid relegation again, under a new manager. His decision made perfect sense at the time, he just got unlucky as Town got lucky...and as it happens, he's probably got lucky anyways, as had we not got promoted, then Burnley probably forget he even exists and he ends up at Forest or Middlesboro. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 31, 2017 11:37:57 GMT 1
If it's £5m then Bradfords share could potentially keep their club afloat for the next 10 years.
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Post by mids on Aug 31, 2017 11:39:07 GMT 1
Sky sources: Fee agreed and he's having a medical at Burnley. It will be undisclosed - they always are. I'm confident we'll have someone in on loan to replace him in our ever more competitive squad. A fantastic summer of business for our club  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 11:58:11 GMT 1
The thing that wound me up with Wells was when he stood on the pitch at Wembley and said he'd look at sorting a new contract! This was in the TV interviews during the celebrations. He'd refused to sign one for how long? He'd have been the first knocking on the door to leave if we hadn't gone up. No two ways. Players can point to loyalty and putting performances in, but it works two ways and it has in this instance. If he'd gone in Jan last season I wouldn't have been bothered. It really stands out that he missed quality coaching early in his career - he didn't come through a club's youth system and it shows. It is isn't the be all and end all but his first touch leaves a lot to be desired and his finishing. His game has developed but has it really developed how everyone thought it would? Was it really apparent that he worked on his finishing, for example? That wound you up?! Likelihood is once the season got underway both parties agreed they'd play out the season and take contract discussion off the table (I seem to remember Wagner or someone saying this is the preferred modus operandi and partly why they liked to sign players in, so you've got players in the full ore season who know they're their for the duration etc). And the likelihood is that as the season climaxed, they were collectively told that extended contracts etc would be offered soon after the season ended, effectively as part of the early transfer dealings. Nahki would have either been told that we would be discussing an extended contract specifically, or would have assumed that as part of the promoted team he was part of the collective of players who would get extended (like Whitehead etc).. We signed some players to extended deals. We didn't sign Nahki. Thats all we know. We need to stop this, "he refused to sign" show, because that was last summer and had no impact on his commitment this past season...he *couldnt* just turn up in November, knock on Wagners door and go, "anyway, about that contract you offered me back in June, can I sign it now please"...things don't work like that. His "refusal to commit" would have effectively been a 2, maybe 4 week window, that's all. And in any other season bar the one we've just had, he'd have been walking out of Hudds this summer to a middle of the road Championship club with Town desperately clawing back £2m or whatever in order to build some kind of transfer pot to avoid relegation again, under a new manager. His decision made perfect sense at the time, he just got unlucky as Town got lucky...and as it happens, he's probably got lucky anyways, as had we not got promoted, then Burnley probably forget he even exists and he ends up at Forest or Middlesboro. Yeah, it did. Maybe I should have run it past you first eh? I'll message you next time. Promise. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:24:23 GMT 1
Sky sources: Fee agreed and he's having a medical at Burnley. It will be undisclosed - they always are. I'm confident we'll have someone in on loan to replace him in our ever more competitive squad. A fantastic summer of business for our club Hopefully it's a two year loan though otherwise their commitment will be brought into question!!? 🤔😇😀 (There are some crazy people about!) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:25:24 GMT 1
That wound you up?! Likelihood is once the season got underway both parties agreed they'd play out the season and take contract discussion off the table (I seem to remember Wagner or someone saying this is the preferred modus operandi and partly why they liked to sign players in, so you've got players in the full ore season who know they're their for the duration etc). And the likelihood is that as the season climaxed, they were collectively told that extended contracts etc would be offered soon after the season ended, effectively as part of the early transfer dealings. Nahki would have either been told that we would be discussing an extended contract specifically, or would have assumed that as part of the promoted team he was part of the collective of players who would get extended (like Whitehead etc).. We signed some players to extended deals. We didn't sign Nahki. Thats all we know. We need to stop this, "he refused to sign" show, because that was last summer and had no impact on his commitment this past season...he *couldnt* just turn up in November, knock on Wagners door and go, "anyway, about that contract you offered me back in June, can I sign it now please"...things don't work like that. His "refusal to commit" would have effectively been a 2, maybe 4 week window, that's all. And in any other season bar the one we've just had, he'd have been walking out of Hudds this summer to a middle of the road Championship club with Town desperately clawing back £2m or whatever in order to build some kind of transfer pot to avoid relegation again, under a new manager. His decision made perfect sense at the time, he just got unlucky as Town got lucky...and as it happens, he's probably got lucky anyways, as had we not got promoted, then Burnley probably forget he even exists and he ends up at Forest or Middlesboro. Yeah, it did. Maybe I should have run it past you first eh? I'll message you next time. Promise. Very wise. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:32:35 GMT 1
Sky sources: Fee agreed and he's having a medical at Burnley. It will be undisclosed - they always are. I'm confident we'll have someone in on loan to replace him in our ever more competitive squad. A fantastic summer of business for our club Hopefully it's a two year loan though otherwise their commitment will be brought into question!!? 🤔😇😀 (There are some crazy people about!) No. Just people who have a different opinion to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:33:10 GMT 1
Yeah, it did. Maybe I should have run it past you first eh? I'll message you next time. Promise. Very wise. Nah. You're right. I'll take my chances. You sound like a right Nigel. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 13:29:01 GMT 1
Hopefully it's a two year loan though otherwise their commitment will be brought into question!!? 🤔😇😀 (There are some crazy people about!) No. Just people who have a different opinion to you. You think people who question why Town and any other club will bring in players on loan deals whilst at the same time sidelining contracted assets who won't safeguard the clubs future value in them are espousing an opinion?! They aren't, they are simply people that need guidance as to how the world works. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2017 14:20:00 GMT 1
But miles better than Quaner Ings on loan Wouldn't we have the same problem as Ward then with the nearly man and the bin dippers demanding 75% playing time |
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