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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jul 27, 2017 17:08:15 GMT 1
As the op on this thread It looks like ive been proved correct. Wagner says wells is up for sale. After watching mounie and depoitre last night theres no way hes getting in our match day squad assuming no injuries. Wagner doesn't at all say he's up for sale does he. They would however listen to serious offers,as with any player I'd imagine. Don't twist it Totally agree, with the response. Does the OP work for the Examiner or Mirror? What I would say would be a fair assessment is that NW took a risk with not signing a contract, thinking he could have it both ways and really perhaps thought we wouldn't do it, which is probably what a lot of people thought. But we did now NW is no longer in position of strength and if the decision makers at the club thought NW was trying is luck then unlucky. Of course if he wants to play PL football then he is going to alter his negotiating stance, otherwise, as has been suggested it could be Groundhog Day in the EFL with Reading. If the reports are true of the 10m then with DH's negotiating skills it could be a lot more, with all the extras. Without trawling through here, what is the cut that BCFC might get? |
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Post by kes on Jul 27, 2017 17:14:08 GMT 1
Wagner doesn't at all say he's up for sale does he. They would however listen to serious offers,as with any player I'd imagine. Don't twist it Totally agree, with the response. Does the OP work for the Examiner or Mirror? What I would say would be a fair assessment is that NW took a risk with not signing a contract, thinking he could have it both ways and really perhaps thought we wouldn't do it, which is probably what a lot of people thought. But we did now NW is no longer in position of strength and if the decision makers at the club thought NW was trying is luck then unlucky. Of course if he wants to play PL football then he is going to alter his negotiating stance, otherwise, as has been suggested it could be Groundhog Day in the EFL with Reading. If the reports are true of the 10m then with DH's negotiating skills it could be a lot more, with all the extras. Without trawling through here, what is the cut that BCFC might get? 10% of any profit. That is how good DH is at negotiating. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 27, 2017 17:29:47 GMT 1
Wagner doesn't at all say he's up for sale does he. They would however listen to serious offers,as with any player I'd imagine. Don't twist it Totally agree, with the response. Does the OP work for the Examiner or Mirror? What I would say would be a fair assessment is that NW took a risk with not signing a contract, thinking he could have it both ways and really perhaps thought we wouldn't do it, which is probably what a lot of people thought. But we did now NW is no longer in position of strength and if the decision makers at the club thought NW was trying is luck then unlucky. Of course if he wants to play PL football then he is going to alter his negotiating stance, otherwise, as has been suggested it could be Groundhog Day in the EFL with Reading. If the reports are true of the 10m then with DH's negotiating skills it could be a lot more, with all the extras. Without trawling through here, what is the cut that BCFC might get? I was just pointing out that signings of depoitre and mounie suggested wagner didnt rate wells as a prem lg goalscorer. To say we will accept offers is not the same as hes for sale is just pedantic. Wether its for contract reasons or lack of faith in hiz abilities we will prob never know... But hes going. |
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jul 27, 2017 17:55:52 GMT 1
I was just pointing out that signings of depoitre and mounie suggested wagner didnt rate wells as a prem lg goalscorer. To say we will accept offers is not the same as hes for sale is just pedantic. Wether its for contract reasons or lack of faith in hiz abilities we will prob never know... But hes going. You have got it wrong again. It does not say we will accept offers........ It says they "would however listen to serious offers". If you are going to chastise someone for being pedantic, at least get it bloody right! Signed P.E. DANTIC |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 27, 2017 18:16:52 GMT 1
Nitpicking bro
Hes going
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 27, 2017 19:11:20 GMT 1
Totally agree, with the response. Does the OP work for the Examiner or Mirror? What I would say would be a fair assessment is that NW took a risk with not signing a contract, thinking he could have it both ways and really perhaps thought we wouldn't do it, which is probably what a lot of people thought. But we did now NW is no longer in position of strength and if the decision makers at the club thought NW was trying is luck then unlucky. Of course if he wants to play PL football then he is going to alter his negotiating stance, otherwise, as has been suggested it could be Groundhog Day in the EFL with Reading. If the reports are true of the 10m then with DH's negotiating skills it could be a lot more, with all the extras. Without trawling through here, what is the cut that BCFC might get? 10% of any profit. That is how good DH is at negotiating. chicken feed |
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Post by Spezial on Jul 28, 2017 12:31:24 GMT 1
Wagner doesn't at all say he's up for sale does he. They would however listen to serious offers,as with any player I'd imagine. Don't twist it Up for sale... Listen to offers... Different way of saying same thing bro So would every player be up for sale, he would listen to offers on everyone should it be a good one. Listening to offers can mean,he will listen but maybe take no notice. Transfer listed,up for sale, that's your affirmative "Up For Sale" you're probably looking for. Bro |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 28, 2017 12:40:42 GMT 1
Up for sale... Listen to offers... Different way of saying same thing bro So would every player be up for sale, he would listen to offers on everyone should it be a good one. Listening to offers can mean,he will listen but maybe take no notice. Transfer listed,up for sale, that's your affirmative "Up For Sale" you're probably looking for. Bro Me thinks your talking out ur arse.. Bro... Will only listen to offers for the players he doesnt want ie. Wells. Has he said that about anybody else??? No. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 12:43:19 GMT 1
As the op on this thread It looks like ive been proved correct. Wagner says wells is up for sale. After watching mounie and depoitre last night theres no way hes getting in our match day squad assuming no injuries. Your post prompts the following questions: But what if there was an injury? Why not learn to use basic grammar? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 12:44:55 GMT 1
Up for sale... Listen to offers... Different way of saying same thing bro So would every player be up for sale, he would listen to offers on everyone should it be a good one. Listening to offers can mean,he will listen but maybe take no notice. Transfer listed,up for sale, that's your affirmative "Up For Sale" you're probably looking for. Bro Just like to say that Wells has done a good job for us and whatever happens I wish him well.Football and teams have to evolve and being in the last year of his contract and the completion for places the decision for me is the right one but as long as he is still at the club he should be supported to the full |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 28, 2017 12:49:51 GMT 1
As the op on this thread It looks like ive been proved correct. Wagner says wells is up for sale. After watching mounie and depoitre last night theres no way hes getting in our match day squad assuming no injuries. Your post prompts the following questions: But what if there was an injury? Why not learn to use basic grammar? Are you my english teacher?? |
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Post by reluctantnicko69 on Jul 28, 2017 13:25:34 GMT 1
I feel a bit sorry for Wells - loyalty should work two ways and he deserves a shot at the PL.
How many players who started the play-off final will be starting at Palace? In an ideal world, it should be ELEVEN.
At least, give players like Wells SIX matches.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 28, 2017 13:37:11 GMT 1
I feel a bit sorry for Wells - loyalty should work two ways and he deserves a shot at the PL. How many players who started the play-off final will be starting at Palace? In an ideal world, it should be ELEVEN. At least, give players like Wells SIX matches. Not an ideal world though unfortunately. Those first half dozen games are very important. The fixture list has been relatively kind to us. Sure DW will pick his strongest team - if that includes Wells - fine. If not - we/he just has to accept it. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 28, 2017 13:52:01 GMT 1
I feel a bit sorry for Wells - loyalty should work two ways and he deserves a shot at the PL. How many players who started the play-off final will be starting at Palace? In an ideal world, it should be ELEVEN. At least, give players like Wells SIX matches. Where's the indication that we haven't been loyal to him or that we haven't given him his opportunity at a shot in the PL? - There was an agreement that if we didn't go up, he could look at pastures new - we would have honoured this as we have done in the past. - We turned down a bid for him last January, he was unhappy. - We got promoted to the PL, which should have come much to his relief. - There was, maybe still is, a contract on the table that he didn't / doesn't want to sign (is he the only player not to sign a new agreement from those that got promoted?). - We can't start the season with just him an an option, so we had to buy. - I imagine we're not prepared to let him go for a significantly reduced fee in January or free next May because he wants to keep his options open. - I'm sure he could commit to new contract and, like others in the past, get his move if a bigger and better option comes - DH has always said he will never stand in the way of a players development. - DW clearly isn't interested in players / staff who don't want to commit 100% to the cause. What more does the lad want!? OR have I missed something above? |
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Post by tommythacks on Jul 28, 2017 13:58:46 GMT 1
So would every player be up for sale, he would listen to offers on everyone should it be a good one. Listening to offers can mean,he will listen but maybe take no notice. Transfer listed,up for sale, that's your affirmative "Up For Sale" you're probably looking for. Bro Me thinks your talking out ur arse.. Bro... Will only listen to offers for the players he doesnt want ie. Wells. Has he said that about anybody else??? No. If a manager says he is 'listening to offers', that player is leaving. The word 'serious' is just a signal to buying clubs that we're not going to have our pants pulled down on the price. Like others have suggested on this thread, Nahki has a premier league ego but, for me, just championship talent |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 28, 2017 14:00:52 GMT 1
I think its obvious from wagners interview that he doesnt rate wells.
And is prepared to sell.
Trust in dave😁
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 28, 2017 14:16:23 GMT 1
- There was, maybe still is, a contract on the table that he didn't / doesn't want to sign (is he the only player not to sign a new agreement from those that got promoted?). To answer that question, I can't recall reading that Hefele has been offered/signed a new contract? Happy to be corrected. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 28, 2017 14:19:54 GMT 1
- There was, maybe still is, a contract on the table that he didn't / doesn't want to sign (is he the only player not to sign a new agreement from those that got promoted?). To answer that question, I can't recall reading that Hefele has been offered/signed a new contract? Happy to be corrected. Good point. Not certain, but I'm almost sure he has. He's definitely been offered one at least. |
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Jul 28, 2017 15:14:02 GMT 1
I feel a bit sorry for Wells - loyalty should work two ways and he deserves a shot at the PL. How many players who started the play-off final will be starting at Palace? In an ideal world, it should be ELEVEN. At least, give players like Wells SIX matches. Where's the indication that we haven't been loyal to him or that we haven't given him his opportunity at a shot in the PL? - There was an agreement that if we didn't go up, he could look at pastures new - we would have honoured this as we have done in the past. - We turned down a bid for him last January, he was unhappy. - We got promoted to the PL, which should have come much to his relief. - There was, maybe still is, a contract on the table that he didn't / doesn't want to sign (is he the only player not to sign a new agreement from those that got promoted?). - We can't start the season with just him an an option, so we had to buy. - I imagine we're not prepared to let him go for a significantly reduced fee in January or free next May because he wants to keep his options open. - I'm sure he could commit to new contract and, like others in the past, get his move if a bigger and better option comes - DH has always said he will never stand in the way of a players development. - DW clearly isn't interested in players / staff who don't want to commit 100% to the cause. What more does the lad want!? OR have I missed something above? The only other player yet to sign a new contract is Hefele as far as I'm aware (out of the players who we would like to sign one) |
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Post by Melc on Jul 28, 2017 17:10:35 GMT 1
I feel a bit sorry for Wells - loyalty should work two ways and he deserves a shot at the PL. How many players who started the play-off final will be starting at Palace? In an ideal world, it should be ELEVEN. At least, give players like Wells SIX matches. If loyalty worked both ways in the case of Wells then he would have signed a extended contract having faith in Wagner to deliver promotion like some of the other players did by signing extended contracts earlier last season. Now he the player has backed himself into a corner where he now see's £14m of talent in front of him with not much hope of regualar football. Do I feel sorry for him no not one bit! |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 28, 2017 18:15:16 GMT 1
Why is this Burnley bloke getting involved in town matters ? Are there town fans going on the Burnley forum telling them what to do ? He's been doing it months if not years
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Post by NoToTrumpDonors on Jul 28, 2017 18:22:57 GMT 1
I feel a bit sorry for Wells - loyalty should work two ways and he deserves a shot at the PL. How many players who started the play-off final will be starting at Palace? In an ideal world, it should be ELEVEN. At least, give players like Wells SIX matches. I'm not surprised a Burnley fan wants Town to play the team from last season in the prem! |
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Post by H6dds on Jul 28, 2017 21:15:31 GMT 1
I feel a bit sorry for Wells - loyalty should work two ways and he deserves a shot at the PL. How many players who started the play-off final will be starting at Palace? In an ideal world, it should be ELEVEN. At least, give players like Wells SIX matches. No. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:34:36 GMT 1
I would argue giving the players that got us there a chance is important, however not at the expense of picking a weaker team than we could. We can not afford to mess around this season and throw points way for sentimental reasons. If we want a chance at staying up we have to take our chances and everyone at the club has to work hard in training and be ready when they get their chance.
I am all for Wells staying but if he will not sign an extension of course the club will listen to offers. Makes perfect sense, and from Wells perspective he may not fancy his chances of forcing his way into the team so may want to go elsewhere to get games. If he does good luck to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 22:49:51 GMT 1
I would argue giving the players that got us there a chance is important, however not at the expense of picking a weaker team than we could. We can not afford to mess around this season and throw points way for sentimental reasons. If we want a chance at staying up we have to take our chances and everyone at the club has to work hard in training and be ready when they get their chance. I am all for Wells staying but if he will not sign an extension of course the club will listen to offers. Makes perfect sense, and from Wells perspective he may not fancy his chances of forcing his way into the team so may want to go elsewhere to get games. If he does good luck to him. Is that extension still on offer |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 22:52:17 GMT 1
I would argue giving the players that got us there a chance is important, however not at the expense of picking a weaker team than we could. We can not afford to mess around this season and throw points way for sentimental reasons. If we want a chance at staying up we have to take our chances and everyone at the club has to work hard in training and be ready when they get their chance. I am all for Wells staying but if he will not sign an extension of course the club will listen to offers. Makes perfect sense, and from Wells perspective he may not fancy his chances of forcing his way into the team so may want to go elsewhere to get games. If he does good luck to him. Is that extension still on offer Dunno but it was on the table for a long time. Could have signed it at any time. Chose not to because he was hedging his bets. |
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Post by slumster on Jul 29, 2017 9:36:00 GMT 1
Wells has the opportunity to play hardball here and prove himself in the prem. If he really believes he is good enough he should train hard wait for his chance which will come and take it. Even if he hasn't been offered a new contract and has been told he can leave I am sure if he told Wagner he will fight for his place he would be given a chance. Club can't force him out so he should show what he's made of. He won't get a better chance that this to play in the prem IMO
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 29, 2017 9:53:56 GMT 1
A lot of sentiment in here over reality
Wells is now behind a £11m player and a Belgium international who was picked up by Porto no less last year because he was outstanding leading a unfancied team to the Belgium league
He won't get much game time so best for all parties for him to move if the right offer comes in
He's done a job he was paid to do but he hedged that he would outgrow the club. It's backfired and club has now outgrown him and he'll be third choice if he stays
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 10:46:11 GMT 1
I think we will BADLY miss someone to close down from the front with the pace of someone like Wells. I also think Wells could go on a scoring run with better players around him. Admittedly he finished the season desperately lacking goals but my word he played well in the play offs.
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