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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 7, 2018 10:50:07 GMT 1
That's how i normally am for England but it's been different this time. I think having a group of players who clearly all get on and a manager who has boosted their self belief, has really got me back on board. I couldn't have cared less what we did this time last year when everyone was very disillusioned with the whole setup Agree re the players, they seem to buy in to it and not so many egos, which is pleasing. I’d like us to win, but, from 1990-2010 England games, especially in tournaments, just seemed to mean so much more. Would be genuinely gutted when we went out back then. I was only 10 at the time but I remember being absolutely devastated going to school the morning after we lost on penalties to the Germans in 96.
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Post by k1htafc on Jul 7, 2018 11:08:02 GMT 1
Agree re the players, they seem to buy in to it and not so many egos, which is pleasing. I’d like us to win, but, from 1990-2010 England games, especially in tournaments, just seemed to mean so much more. Would be genuinely gutted when we went out back then. I was only 10 at the time but I remember being absolutely devastated going to school the morning after we lost on penalties to the Germans in 96. I remember watching in the school hall (before the schoolday started) when England went out to Ronaldinho's 42 yarder in 2002...think every one of us that watched were gutted that day.
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Post by ponteterrier on Jul 7, 2018 11:15:14 GMT 1
Tough game today. If we can get the first goal I can't see the swedes finding a goal.
If they manage to the first then it will be a real test to try and find the equaliser given how we'll drilled they are defensively.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 7, 2018 11:26:12 GMT 1
It'll be gutting if we go out to this Swedish side given it is filled with very average players. I don't think many would get in our side which tells you the gulf in quality between them and the England 11 who would all walk in to our side I could accept going out in the semis to Croatia given they've got some very good players but crashing out today would feel like a massive failure Great, you won't be bothered us getting whooped some games and losing most next season in games where there's an even bigger gulf 😉 PS - I get the point and do agree it would be very disappointing if Sweden do to England what Town did to Man U at home and Chelsea/Man City Away.
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Post by detox on Jul 7, 2018 11:32:24 GMT 1
Sweden play a steady game, we'll have lots of possession but will face a 10 or 11 man defence...We need to make sure we don't get over elaborate and frustrated..or get caught on the break pushing too many men up..That goal Japan conceded getting caught from their own corner to lose 2-3 will be a recurring nightmare for them. Early goals and 4-0 up by half time will suit me fine !!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 7, 2018 11:34:58 GMT 1
That's how i normally am for England but it's been different this time. I think having a group of players who clearly all get on and a manager who has boosted their self belief, has really got me back on board. I couldn't have cared less what we did this time last year when everyone was very disillusioned with the whole setup Agree re the players, they seem to buy in to it and not so many egos, which is pleasing. I’d like us to win, but, from 1990-2010 England games, especially in tournaments, just seemed to mean so much more. Would be genuinely gutted when we went out back then. I'm not as bothered now and I'm not bitter about their wealth nor obsessed by irrelevant stuff like their tattoo sleeves or WAGS. For me it's: 1) Town are in the Prem; 2) Lots of the players know each other and we are familiar with them; 3) I'm getting sodding old and seen loads of tournaments already; 4) Town scraping through all their promotions; and 5) I'm a boring fucker; I tend to keep calm when others lose their head (ironically).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 11:35:06 GMT 1
I was only 10 at the time but I remember being absolutely devastated going to school the morning after we lost on penalties to the Germans in 96. I remember watching in the school hall (before the schoolday started) when England went out to Ronaldinho's 42 yarder in 2002...think every one of us that watched were gutted that day. I'm feeling old now lads! Actually, my first child was born the day before that Ronaldinho game so my disappointment wasn't too intense. For me, the biggest devastation was Mexico '86 (cheated) and Italia '90 (desperately unlucky).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 11:35:42 GMT 1
Agree re the players, they seem to buy in to it and not so many egos, which is pleasing. I’d like us to win, but, from 1990-2010 England games, especially in tournaments, just seemed to mean so much more. Would be genuinely gutted when we went out back then. I was only 10 at the time but I remember being absolutely devastated going to school the morning after we lost on penalties to the Germans in 96. Didn’t take our chances that day. Comfortably the better side. More than any other tournament that was the one that got away. In fact we played the best football that year. So much talent in that side and genuine works class players.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 7, 2018 11:37:12 GMT 1
It's a good omen - I hope he doesn't understand that he is helping our cause🙂⚽️ If ever a house deserved egging then that's it. The owner is no doubt Scottish or WelshScottish. I said to the wife that if (big if!) England win the WC, I'm up at 02.00am on 16 July to carry out some guerrilla flag raising.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 11:38:08 GMT 1
I actually have Sweden as just favourites. Southgate has it right when he said:
Our players come from the same background as their players. We shouldn't get carried away with ourselves being better than Sweden. They are older, more experienced, and have a better tournament record than us."
These are facts and we need to remember we’ve only beaten a very mediocre Colombian side on pens and 2 league 1/2 level sides. We lost against Belgium B team.
I’m on Kane 1-0 pen again, hoping we hang on this time as I was in the money TIL very late.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 7, 2018 11:47:28 GMT 1
It's coming home
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2018 12:16:30 GMT 1
I was only 10 at the time but I remember being absolutely devastated going to school the morning after we lost on penalties to the Germans in 96. Didn’t take our chances that day. Comfortably the better side. More than any other tournament that was the one that got away. In fact we played the best football that year. So much talent in that side and genuine works class players. We were the better side v Germany definitely and should have won the thing from there. But IMO we were probably better in 82, 86, 98 , 02 and 04. In 96 we couldn;t beat an average Switzerland, Beat the jocks but relied on a missed pen at 1-0. Beat the dutch comfortably , but the dutch were a mess with the black players and white players not even talking to each other! were 2nd best v Spain and scraped through on pens but only after theyd had a perfectly good goal ruled out for offside. Think in 96 we had the luck home advantage usually brings to get as far as the Germany game. Luck plays a huge part in who is successful and maybe this year, with the way the draw has shaped up, it 'could' be our year.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 7, 2018 14:08:51 GMT 1
I remember watching in the school hall (before the schoolday started) when England went out to Ronaldinho's 42 yarder in 2002...think every one of us that watched were gutted that day. I'm feeling old now lads! Actually, my first child was born the day before that Ronaldinho game so my disappointment wasn't too intense. For me, the biggest devastation was Mexico '86 (cheated) and Italia '90 (desperately unlucky). I'm with you on Mexico 86 and Italy 90, however, biggest disappointment for me was playing brilliantly against the Gerries in Leon, Mexico 70 and then Alf stuffing it up with those two subs, and just thinking we would have beaten the fantastic Brazilian team if Jeff Astle hadn't fluffed one in the group game.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 7, 2018 14:14:39 GMT 1
Hope he doesn't bring in Dier and push Henderson further forward. Rather see Loftus-Cheek start.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 7, 2018 14:16:52 GMT 1
Glad to see the same team, consistency. Can always make changes if some don’t perform. Come on lads.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 7, 2018 14:35:19 GMT 1
Can't believe that Southgate thinks Young's a better player than Rose.
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Post by ACW on Jul 7, 2018 14:57:38 GMT 1
Sterling, Ali and Lingard need to turn up today. And we need to be more direct in the attacking third, making runs in behind and looking for forward passes. England have done well at this tournament but they haven't created enough in open play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 14:58:29 GMT 1
I think it will be closer than many think and the first goal could be key. They score first it will be 11 behind the ball, we score first and they will be forced to come out more and we could get one or two more.
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Post by ACW on Jul 7, 2018 14:59:59 GMT 1
I think it will be closer than many think and the first goal could be key. They score first it will be 11 behind the ball, we score first and they will be forced to come out more and we could get one or two more. I'm expecting a one goal win either way or penalties.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 7, 2018 15:11:09 GMT 1
Reminds me of Crawley v Barnet so far.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 7, 2018 15:11:19 GMT 1
It's been like a game of chess so far.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 7, 2018 15:12:21 GMT 1
It's been like a game of chess so far. Played by two blokes who haven’t yet mastered draughts
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Post by ACW on Jul 7, 2018 15:15:10 GMT 1
Sweden playing Wimbledon style football. England having much more of the ball, but we're too slow and deliberate. We need more runners and one and two touch passing. It's all far too safe at the moment.
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Post by philincalifornia on Jul 7, 2018 15:21:50 GMT 1
Sweden playing Wimbledon style football. England having much more of the ball, but we're too slow and deliberate. We need more runners and one and two touch passing. It's all far too safe at the moment. Yeah, a few minutes ago Henderson made a fantastic run, but never got the ball. At least Sterling's done something now. I reckon we're going to win this .....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 15:22:05 GMT 1
Giving them too much respect. Get at them!
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Post by ACW on Jul 7, 2018 15:23:49 GMT 1
Not enough movement in the final third. Too many England players walking. And why won't Walker whip the ball in? He's had a few chances to get it in and decided to play it out to Trippier - who's marked up!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 7, 2018 15:26:42 GMT 1
Two poor sides stinking the joint out
They should just call Belgium France the final and scrap the other half of the draw
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 15:26:44 GMT 1
This is so much like an early 90s Serie A game that I'm half expecting James Richardson to do the half time segment.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 7, 2018 15:27:47 GMT 1
Soporific dirge, like a pre-season friendly.
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Post by ACW on Jul 7, 2018 15:29:07 GMT 1
Soporific dirge, like a pre-season friendly. Stop talking it up!
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