Diakhaby & Mbenza

[Million Dollar Babies]

Sept 1, 2020 21:29:04 GMT 1 Ross83 said:

I don't know why is everyone saying its Mbenza? I know there is just something about him that has screamed "knobhead" at times but Cowley reckoned different. There seems to be more evidence to suggest its Diakhaby.

Mbenza was there on a couple of training videos, he's on the horrific TikTok video and also posted and liked posts about the club lately. I've seen sight nor sound of Diakhaby since his loan finished.

Diakhaby was on the latest training video back end of last week. Mbenza wasnt as far as i could tell

[Tinpot]

Whether he's the guilty party or not (& even if there IS a guilty party!), I can't understand why Mbenza would be on a goal celebration video.

Jacob Chapman is more likely to score for us than Mbenza.

[Ross83]

Sept 1, 2020 22:39:53 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Sept 1, 2020 21:29:04 GMT 1 Ross83 said:

I don't know why is everyone saying its Mbenza? I know there is just something about him that has screamed "knobhead" at times but Cowley reckoned different. There seems to be more evidence to suggest its Diakhaby.

Mbenza was there on a couple of training videos, he's on the horrific TikTok video and also posted and liked posts about the club lately. I've seen sight nor sound of Diakhaby since his loan finished.

Diakhaby was on the latest training video back end of last week. Mbenza wasnt as far as i could tell

Ah okay, didn't notice that.

[terriertim]

Sept 1, 2020 17:24:11 GMT 1 waggers said:

Sept 1, 2020 17:19:09 GMT 1 terriertim said:

Trust he is up there but not top 3

Who would your top 3 be?

Unsworth is in there somewhere

[tepidterrier]

Sept 1, 2020 17:26:02 GMT 1 Dan said:

Sept 1, 2020 17:24:11 GMT 1 waggers said:

Who would your top 3 be?

Mark Hudson (the original) and Anthony Gerrard would have to be up there

what did Hudson do? I remember he was a bit shit at football but not much else about him

[thongsbridge]

I didn't see the game (yet) due to IFollow's international restrictions but Mbenza sounds to have had a half decent game (Steven Chicken gave him equal top mark) . Is there a possibility that he can be a real asset to the team at last?

[Million Dollar Babies]

Sept 5, 2020 22:57:54 GMT 1 thongsbridge said:

I didn't see the game (yet) due to IFollow's international restrictions but Mbenza sounds to have had a half decent game (Steven Chicken gave him equal top mark) . Is there a possibility that he can be a real asset to the team at last?

You atleast feel like Mbenza is in control of his actions and has some idea of what hes going to do next. Diakhaby definitely doesnt.

I hope Mbenza actually decides to give it a real go this season because he could be a decent player to have. Clearly got an excellent cross on him but it needs a striker in the box with good movement to make the most of it. Rhodes of 5 years ago would have a field day on those kind of deliveries

[boooothy]

These two need to earn contracts elsewhere for next season.

Surely that’s all the motivation they need to give 100%. Even that won’t make them good players but it might make them better than Josh Koroma and Aaron Rowe.

[Sparrow]

Mbenza is keen to play and do well.

The biggest problem these 2 players have is that they actually don't want to do the defensive side of the game, which is important in the English game. They can get away with not doing defensive work in France as it's not a key part of the game for wingers in France. However, here they need to be prepared to do it. Currently they are not. A change of mentality and they genuinely could be good players for us and forge a Career in English football.

However,

Wagner couldn't get them to do it.

Siewert couldn't get them to do it

Cowley couldn't get them to do it

Will Corberan be able to get them to do it?? Only if they are willing to change their mentality.

[hypotenuse]

There is a big difference between the two, despite fans constantly grouping them together.
Mbenza is a footballer. He is lazy, positionally unaware and unwilling to do the hard yards but he does have some ability and technique.
Diakhaby isn’t a footballer. He looks totally out of place on the pitch, has little awareness of what he should be doing, has little or no technical ability, no understanding of what to do when he doesn’t have the ball but is very fast.
I don’t really want either to player at the club but don’t for one minute think they are in any way similar.

[Floyds]

Despite all that’s been said - Mbenza looked our best player yesterday - so let’s get him back in. Getting a tune out of either of these two lads would be some achievement.

[Deleted]

^^did those mentioning Mbenzas lack of desire to do the defensive stuff not watch yesterday’s cameo?

[realmadkid]

I thought Diakhaby showed glimpses of what he (may) be capable of consistently yesterday, given a run in the team. First half he was quite impressive actually. Not brilliant, not great, but good enough. He did fade a little in the 2nd half, but that could just have been a match fitness issue. Very encouraging though because until yesterday I actually thought he was a total waste of space. Granted 'one swallow doesn't make a summer,' but worth persisting with I feel.

Maybe he just needs some confidence instilled in him somehow.

[bigtruck]

It’s like people have had a lobotomy and just forgotten the last 2/3 years. These 2 are not good enough. Including their respective loans, 4 managers have realised this. Yet we continually keep thinking they’ll come good.

If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.

🤦🏻‍♂️

[waggers]

Sept 13, 2020 13:21:10 GMT 1 bigtruck said:

It’s like people have had a lobotomy and just forgotten the last 2/3 years. These 2 are not good enough. Including their respective loans, 4 managers have realised this. Yet we continually keep thinking they’ll come good.

If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.

🤦🏻‍♂️

Close to the famous philosophical quote of 'insanity is repeating the same process over and over again and expecting a different result'.

[realmadkid]

Sept 13, 2020 13:21:10 GMT 1 bigtruck said:

It’s like people have had a lobotomy and just forgotten the last 2/3 years. These 2 are not good enough. Including their respective loans, 4 managers have realised this. Yet we continually keep thinking they’ll come good.

If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.

🤦🏻‍♂️

No lobotomy here. I am well aware of the last 2/3 years thanks. Just trying to be hopeful and positive rather than write off someone who no-one else seems to want and whom we are 'stuck with' for better or worse.

Especially when we are in desperate need of every single body we can muster right now.

[greyarea]

Sept 13, 2020 13:21:10 GMT 1 bigtruck said:

It’s like people have had a lobotomy and just forgotten the last 2/3 years. These 2 are not good enough. Including their respective loans, 4 managers have realised this. Yet we continually keep thinking they’ll come good.

If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.

🤦🏻‍♂️

I agree,

We are where we are. Covid, reduced parachute payments and loan repayment means we don't have any cash available. 

The only thing we can do with these too, is to wipe the slate clean and hope (and it really is just hope) that both Mbenza and Diakhaby show something this year in terms and talent and attitude. 

So I'll not jump on their back as what use would it do? If there is nothing by January, well that's the end of that.

[boooothy]

They are rubbish but still the best 2 wingers we have.

[bigtruck]

So the thought process is..

These 2 are shit we need to get rid of them

No one wants them though they’re that shit

That’s ok they’ll be great for us eventually.

Ludicrous.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Diakhaby did show some signs of improvement and fair play to Corberan in his post math interview, he's backed him. He said that he (Diakhaby) wanted to prove people wrong what we have been saying about him and Corberan said he is very motivated and determined, which I guess all you can ask. Whilst he did his defensive work well I'd have liked to have seen us utilise his pace to run at Norwich and scare them shitless,maybe this can be used as an outlet at Brentford.

Thought Mbenza did sod all when he came on yesterday.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Credit where it’s due surely.
I’ve contributed negatively on this thread just like many others but yesterday I thought Diakhaby had a great 1st half and, as was pointed out in commentary a number of times, covered for Toffolo when needed with great discipline.
He looked dangerous moving forward just like he did in his one famous game v Hull.
Coaches need to stay on his case now to try to get a level of consistency from him.
Could at least be a threat from the bench .
Imo Mbenza wasn’t on the pitch long enough to warrant slagging off.

[boooothy]

I’m sure Hudson played one of these two upfront one game. There were a few occasions yesterday where it was sent for Koroma to chase and i thought if we could get Diakhaby in those positions he’d really worry the centre halves.

Then make a total bollocks of it when he’s one on one.

[Champers]

Diakhaby played a lot differently to how we are used to seeing him. No silly blind alley runs or stupid tricks and flicks, just a hardworking shift for the good of the team. Covered some real ground helping out in defence too and the biggest shame was he couldn't get a well deserved applause when he came off.

We can't keep living in the past with these guys. I can cope with players lacking in talent or confidence - it's the ones who refuse to put the effort in that piss me off. If he is buying into Carlos' visions and the manager has faith in him, then the least we can do as fans is give him our support.

[shawsie]

Sept 13, 2020 22:52:48 GMT 1 Champers said:

Diakhaby played a lot differently to how we are used to seeing him. No silly blind alley runs or stupid tricks and flicks, just a hardworking shift for the good of the team. Covered some real ground helping out in defence too and the biggest shame was he couldn't get a well deserved applause when he came off.

We can't keep living in the past with these guys. I can cope with players lacking in talent or confidence - it's the ones who refuse to put the effort in that piss me off. If he is buying into Carlos' visions and the manager has faith in him, then the least we can do as fans is give him our support.

But diakhaby was a leading light amongst those who couldn’t be arsed.......I don’t care right now what he does under Carlos. If after 6 or 7 decent games he’s still putting a shift in then I may change my mind, but let’s be honest - in c30 games for us he’s been mostly bloody hopeless and hardly caught the eye commitment wise. Along with mbenza, they have a big overdraft to clear before they start with a clean slate for me and I’d sooner they left ASAP - flo is weak and unsuited to the fast paced demands of the championship but at least he gave it a go when he played.......Effort and willingness to work should be pre requisites surely?

[Champers]

Sept 13, 2020 23:00:31 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Sept 13, 2020 22:52:48 GMT 1 Champers said:

Diakhaby played a lot differently to how we are used to seeing him. No silly blind alley runs or stupid tricks and flicks, just a hardworking shift for the good of the team. Covered some real ground helping out in defence too and the biggest shame was he couldn't get a well deserved applause when he came off.

We can't keep living in the past with these guys. I can cope with players lacking in talent or confidence - it's the ones who refuse to put the effort in that piss me off. If he is buying into Carlos' visions and the manager has faith in him, then the least we can do as fans is give him our support.

But diakhaby was a leading light amongst those who couldn’t be arsed.......I don’t care right now what he does under Carlos. If after 6 or 7 decent games he’s still putting a shift in then I may change my mind, but let’s be honest - in c30 games for us he’s been mostly bloody hopeless and hardly caught the eye commitment wise. Along with mbenza, they have a big overdraft to clear before they start with a clean slate for me and I’d sooner they left ASAP - flo is weak and unsuited to the fast paced demands of the championship but at least he gave it a go when he played.......Effort and willingness to work should be pre requisites surely?

They should, Shawsie, course they should, but I think our trip to the top flight taught us a lot about the attitudes of very well paid modern footballers. Doesn't matter what they do (or don't do) they'll still draw the same basic wage and don't they just know it!

I'm not saying we should totally forget what's been before and I do like your overdraft analogy a lot. I also wouldn't really have given a toss if either Diakhaby or Mbenza had gone this summer, but they are here under a new manager with a totally different vision to the defensive outlook we had before, so let's at least see what they can provide. This is our last chance to try and do something with them which might allow us to get something back on our hefty investment.

[Htfc1987]

They’re still both utter shit. The fact that these 2 and Hamer are still at the club is nothing short of disgusting.

[Captainslapper]

Sept 13, 2020 15:56:16 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Credit where it’s due surely.
I’ve contributed negatively on this thread just like many others but yesterday I thought Diakhaby had a great 1st half and, as was pointed out in commentary a number of times, covered for Toffolo when needed with great discipline.
He looked dangerous moving forward just like he did in his one famous game v Hull.
Coaches need to stay on his case now to try to get a level of consistency from him.
Could at least be a threat from the bench .
Imo Mbenza wasn’t on the pitch long enough to warrant slagging off.

With you on Diakhaby.
Hes not got much of a football brain, but his pace could be a good thing to have if he can be taught how and when to use it.
Its good to read that hes determined to prove people wrong.
Id hope he understands that so far they havent been wrong. Theyve been right about him.. as the forest fans were too.
Think its not so much about proving the fans wrong, but proving that he himself was wrong to have played so shit.

Youre being overly kind on Mbenza though IMO.
38 minutes he was on for.. almost half a game up against tiring legs, and he contributed the square root of fuck all... again.
I dont even think that lads interested in being a footballer.

I think he'll hold the position of the worst ever signing this club's made for a very long time. Its almost hard to imagine us making a worse one.

[bigtruck]

Sept 14, 2020 0:34:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Sept 13, 2020 15:56:16 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Credit where it’s due surely.
I’ve contributed negatively on this thread just like many others but yesterday I thought Diakhaby had a great 1st half and, as was pointed out in commentary a number of times, covered for Toffolo when needed with great discipline.
He looked dangerous moving forward just like he did in his one famous game v Hull.
Coaches need to stay on his case now to try to get a level of consistency from him.
Could at least be a threat from the bench .
Imo Mbenza wasn’t on the pitch long enough to warrant slagging off.

With you on Diakhaby.
Hes not got much of a football brain, but his pace could be a good thing to have if he can be taught how and when to use it.
Its good to read that hes determined to prove people wrong.
Id hope he understands that so far they havent been wrong. Theyve been right about him.. as the forest fans were too.
Think its not so much about proving the fans wrong, but proving that he himself was wrong to have played so shit.

Youre being overly kind on Mbenza though IMO.
38 minutes he was on for.. almost half a game up against tiring legs, and he contributed the square root of fuck all... again.
I dont even think that lads interested in being a footballer.

I think he'll hold the position of the worst ever signing this club's made for a very long time. Its almost hard to imagine us making a worse one.

Sorry Slapps but i have to disagree. This is Championship Football for gods sake. Teaching someone how to play football should have been done at U13s....

[Porrohman]

Sept 14, 2020 0:34:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Sept 13, 2020 15:56:16 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Credit where it’s due surely.
I’ve contributed negatively on this thread just like many others but yesterday I thought Diakhaby had a great 1st half and, as was pointed out in commentary a number of times, covered for Toffolo when needed with great discipline.
He looked dangerous moving forward just like he did in his one famous game v Hull.
Coaches need to stay on his case now to try to get a level of consistency from him.
Could at least be a threat from the bench .
Imo Mbenza wasn’t on the pitch long enough to warrant slagging off.

With you on Diakhaby.
Hes not got much of a football brain, but his pace could be a good thing to have if he can be taught how and when to use it.
Its good to read that hes determined to prove people wrong.
Id hope he understands that so far they havent been wrong. Theyve been right about him.. as the forest fans were too.
Think its not so much about proving the fans wrong, but proving that he himself was wrong to have played so shit.

Youre being overly kind on Mbenza though IMO.
38 minutes he was on for.. almost half a game up against tiring legs, and he contributed the square root of fuck all... again.
I dont even think that lads interested in being a footballer.

I think he'll hold the position of the worst ever signing this club's made for a very long time. Its almost hard to imagine us making a worse one.

Tiny little blonde bloke, falls over a lot, does sod all else 🤔

[Captainslapper]

Sept 14, 2020 12:13:18 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Sept 14, 2020 0:34:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

With you on Diakhaby.
Hes not got much of a football brain, but his pace could be a good thing to have if he can be taught how and when to use it.
Its good to read that hes determined to prove people wrong.
Id hope he understands that so far they havent been wrong. Theyve been right about him.. as the forest fans were too.
Think its not so much about proving the fans wrong, but proving that he himself was wrong to have played so shit.

Youre being overly kind on Mbenza though IMO.
38 minutes he was on for.. almost half a game up against tiring legs, and he contributed the square root of fuck all... again.
I dont even think that lads interested in being a footballer.

I think he'll hold the position of the worst ever signing this club's made for a very long time. Its almost hard to imagine us making a worse one.

Tiny little blonde bloke, falls over a lot, does sod all else 🤔

Yeah, Ive been patient with him because he does at least have a track record of form in his past, but my patience is wearing pretty thin. Thought he was dire on Saturday,