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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 3, 2018 6:14:50 GMT 1
The Oraccle speaketh again...
Why don't you piss off and hibernate for a few months, write all this wisdom down and stick it in a book?
I'd buy it. I've a couple of wobbly tables...
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 3, 2018 7:20:57 GMT 1
I am definitely getting the cocky bit now from certain quarters (even though I wasn't giving it when the boot was on the other foot). Lot of football to be played yet, am just keeping quiet...... It's worth noting, the Lad I see most of has been fine. Still able to have a sensible conversation with about our respective seasons. He isn't getting carried away. Thought they'd only won one of the last 5? Hardly promotion form. Top of the table though Art, that keeps them crowing. Brentford at home on Saturday. Now there's a good side. Be a pretty decent statement if they win that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 8:34:37 GMT 1
The Oraccle speaketh again... Why don't you piss off and hibernate for a few months, write all this wisdom down and stick it in a book? I'd buy it. I've a couple of wobbly tables... I always preferred Ceefax. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 3, 2018 8:45:45 GMT 1
I can’t quite believe a bloke who ( allegedly) spent his formative years watching Town in the old 4th division can title a thread “where did it all go wrong “ . I can understand the frustration from the FIFA manager wannabes , and the plastics who’s Town watching career began at Wembley . But from a 70s Cowshed boy ? Surely not . Can’t believe I’m saying this about Otium but maybe he wasn’t really there in the 70s . Maybe hes fibbing ? Should we be eternally grateful? We are in the Prem.....lets compete. I have always been one for going forward. Being satisfied with results and performances when we have been shocking makes no sense.....lets all just grin and bear it eh? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 3, 2018 9:01:24 GMT 1
I can’t quite believe a bloke who ( allegedly) spent his formative years watching Town in the old 4th division can title a thread “where did it all go wrong “ . I can understand the frustration from the FIFA manager wannabes , and the plastics who’s Town watching career began at Wembley . But from a 70s Cowshed boy ? Surely not . Can’t believe I’m saying this about Otium but maybe he wasn’t really there in the 70s . Maybe hes fibbing ? Should we be eternally grateful? We are in the Prem.....lets compete. I have always been one for going forward. Being satisfied with results and performances when we have been shocking makes no sense.....lets all just grin and bear it eh? Can't we be grateful AND compete. We are competing by the way . Despite the odds being stacked massively against us . Why are man city top of the league and Macclesfield bottom ? Is it because of their respective desires to " compete " or might it have something to do with money .. in summary ... stop being an oaf all your life |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 9:20:48 GMT 1
Message to Otium .A slightly altered quote from Oscar Wilde ."we may be at the bottom but a lot of us are still gazing up at the stars " For goodness sake start being more positive your persistent whinging and whining are now a PITA.
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Post by terrier5 on Oct 3, 2018 9:52:37 GMT 1
Only Oti could ask 'where has it all gone wrong?', when we are in the premier league .............. Agreed, Imagine 2 years from now when we've lost to say, Porto and didn't land a glove on eg, Bayern in a 6-0 defeat, there'll still be the whining. We got promoted into what we all know is one of, if not the, toughest leagues in the world. When Schindler put away his penalty, we all knew it would be tough and at times frustrating and dispiriting. Yet we're still here. If you don't enjoy supporting Town because it's "all gone wrong", then I know someone who'll happily take your place. I enjoyed it on Saturday, I thought Town competed and the crowd was on good form. Lovely weather for it, too. Would have preferred it if Löwe had been given a pen for getting clattered and it LDP had scored - and if we'd played them off the park and won obvs - but I'm not crying just cos we didn't. Here's to next Saturday. The people at the club with the power to make decisions and spend money know that we need to improve. They're far more savvy than you are Otium. |
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Post by realmadkid on Oct 3, 2018 10:11:53 GMT 1
Should we be eternally grateful? We are in the Prem.....lets compete. I have always been one for going forward. Being satisfied with results and performances when we have been shocking makes no sense.....lets all just grin and bear it eh? Can't we be grateful AND compete. We are competing by the way . Despite the odds being stacked massively against us . Why are man city top of the league and Macclesfield bottom ? Is it because of their respective desires to " compete " or might it have something to do with money .. in summary ... stop being an oaf all your life Its just the latest instalment in the ongoing saga 'The sad life of a master attention seeker' I fear. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 10:23:19 GMT 1
tbf Otium as scored as many goals as Town at The John Smiths in the league in nearly 6 months,so it's not going all that right is it
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 3, 2018 10:48:25 GMT 1
Yes that's the gamble, no guarantee a new striker would turn things around. They wouldnt come unless it was a decent contract so there's a possibility of getting relegated and having 3 strikers on good money in a system where we rarely have more than one on the pitch. You could argue that's what parachute payments are for but as willo says it's a big decision.
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Post by royrace on Oct 3, 2018 11:23:46 GMT 1
The only thing that's gone wrong is the recruitment, its so vital to our club and its gone badly wrong this summer for some reason IMO. At a time where we have an unprecedented amount of dosh to spend too. Not good. The latest injuries will highlight the stupidity of selling Hef in the same way the failure of Diakabe or Mbenza to be deemed ready highlighted the stupidity of selling Ince. Oh and dont f*** with the  , it never ends well, the work done on the terrier logo should have been spent on bringing our traditional up to date. As it stands we still have that teeny weeny little badge within a shield showing up all over the telly all over the world and we have a dog on the shirt that nobody really likes. All to try to coax a few more fans from the far east who will vanish as soon as we're relegated. I bet if you asked a neutral to recognise or draw the town badge they'd have no chance. Should have done what Man City have done and revived and simplified the old one. Everything else is peachy, the club is being run way better than it ever has been IMO in pretty much all departments. Recruitment is a biggie though and looks like it will cost us our PL status. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Oct 3, 2018 11:27:58 GMT 1
we have the players. it's just the way we play is not the way to score goals.
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Post by syterrier on Oct 3, 2018 11:36:03 GMT 1
Wagner knows that Hef and Ince are not good enough for the Prem thats why they are playing in the Championship, Imo Durm and Mbenza will be good signings
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 3, 2018 11:49:07 GMT 1
Wagner knows that Hef and Ince are not good enough for the Prem thats why they are playing in the Championship, Imo Durm and Mbenza will be good signings Ince, not good enough for the Premier League?. I wholeheartedly disagree. He was a key Player for us last season and more than played his part in helping us retain our Premier League status. Something that is looking increasingly unlikely this season. Not all to do with him, of course not but I would have him back here in a flash to be called upon and play his part again as he did last season. I don't think this deal was Wagner's decision. despite what we may read about him having the final decision on everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:53:40 GMT 1
The only thing that's gone wrong is the recruitment, its so vital to our club and its gone badly wrong this summer for some reason IMO. At a time where we have an unprecedented amount of dosh to spend too. Not good. The latest injuries will highlight the stupidity of selling Hef in the same way the failure of Diakabe or Mbenza to be deemed ready highlighted the stupidity of selling Ince. Oh and dont f*** with the , it never ends well, the work done on the terrier logo should have been spent on bringing our traditional up to date. As it stands we still have that teeny weeny little badge within a shield showing up all over the telly all over the world and we have a dog on the shirt that nobody really likes. All to try to coax a few more fans from the far east who will vanish as soon as we're relegated. I bet if you asked a neutral to recognise or draw the town badge they'd have no chance. Should have done what Man City have done and revived and simplified the old one. Everything else is peachy, the club is being run way better than it ever has been IMO in pretty much all departments. Recruitment is a biggie though and looks like it will cost us our PL status. I like it and i am sure plenty others do as well. I do agree that the original should have been redesigned to maybe incorporate the new terrier, rather than the terrier just being on its own. I am more disappointed with the quality of the shirts including the terrier badge, but that has been done to death on other threads. The disappointing thing about the recruitment this year is most of the signings are for the future rather than the now. There is still time for Mbenza and Diakhaby to come good, but if it's in the Championship they are likely to want to leave. |
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Post by syterrier on Oct 3, 2018 12:03:04 GMT 1
If Ince was in Wagners plans I would have thought he would still be here , I liked Ince but we need better, He has ended up back in Championship where he as been good in the past. I think Mbenza is faster and can get past defenders and will offer us more options hopefully, just my opinion  |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 3, 2018 12:10:49 GMT 1
If Ince was in Wagners plans I would have thought he would still be here , I liked Ince but we need better, He has ended up back in Championship where he as been good in the past. I think Mbenza is faster and can get past defenders and will offer us more options hopefully, just my opinion Absolutely agree re opinions!. It doesn't stack up to me why a Manager would choose to get rid of pretty much an ever present first Team choice Player in what was a successful season. Re the new Guys, I hope you are right. None of them though season to date have offered anywhere near as much as Ince did across the same amount of games start of last season. It's a mistake letting Ince go. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 3, 2018 12:16:10 GMT 1
Should we be eternally grateful? We are in the Prem.....lets compete. I have always been one for going forward. Being satisfied with results and performances when we have been shocking makes no sense.....lets all just grin and bear it eh? Can't we be grateful AND compete. We are competing by the way . Despite the odds being stacked massively against us . Why are man city top of the league and Macclesfield bottom ? Is it because of their respective desires to " compete " or might it have something to do with money .. in summary ... stop being an oaf all your life Our goals scored over the last 12 months is far from acceptable regardless of budgets. We've spent almost £100 million in that time anyway so it isn't like we haven't spent anything The lack of goals is as much down to our approach to games as it is the quality of player. If you only ever get one man in the box then you're not going to score many. Blackpool managed 55 goals in one season, we aren't going to manage that in two. They went down, we stayed up (although they did get more points) so there is clearly a balance needed between the two but we are so far from the middle it is untrue |
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Post by terrier67 on Oct 3, 2018 12:22:07 GMT 1
Go on Oti - what's point number 2? I think we all know we need to score goals to survive this season - good point, well made, argued to death now.
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Post by royrace on Oct 3, 2018 12:43:34 GMT 1
Wagner knows that Hef and Ince are not good enough for the Prem thats why they are playing in the Championship, Imo Durm and Mbenza will be good signings Ince contributed plenty last season whilst not setting it alight BUT the main thing you and other seem to fail to grasp is they have not been replaced with better. This is the main point, this means we are weaker, not sure why its so hard to grasp. Durm looks decent yes, hopefully he can stay fit. We've only seen a tiny bit of Mbenza but on Saturday I thought he looked exactly what we need, certainly offensively. I'm just thinking there is a reason he hasn't played to date. And that's 2 players out of how many and one replaces a near ever present last season. So that means IF Mbenza is a better option than Ince and Durm stays fit we have improved ONE position from last season and we played the first 8 games with a weaker team. That in itself is really poor. Looks like Saturday may be a back five of Durm, Lowe, Stankovic, Zanka, Flo. A winnable game on paper already looks impossible because we don't have any experienced and reliable backup centre halves. Hef would have been just the job and may have taken his chance and provided some genuine competition. So we're in October and selling Ince and Hef is already looking like a major error IMO. Not to mention the other signings most of whom aren't yet good enough for the bench. So the question isn't really are Ince and Hef good enough for the prem, it's really do we have better? Is Stank ready for the prem? Diakabe, Mbenza? Wagner has already answered most of that question in his team selections hasn't he? |
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Post by townrwe on Oct 3, 2018 12:59:31 GMT 1
We needed goals from other areas of the pitch... mooy and hogg might get a couple between them, RVLP the same, kachunga same... etc etc.
Not enough goals from the CBs from corners, Not enough from midfield. Not enough from the AM and the wingers and creaters arent supplying any ammunition for mounie and depoitre
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 13:01:43 GMT 1
Wagner knows that Hef and Ince are not good enough for the Prem thats why they are playing in the Championship, Imo Durm and Mbenza will be good signings Ince contributed plenty last season whilst not setting it alight BUT the main thing you and other seem to fail to grasp is they have not been replaced with better. This is the main point, this means we are weaker, not sure why its so hard to grasp. Durm looks decent yes, hopefully he can stay fit. We've only seen a tiny bit of Mbenza but on Saturday I thought he looked exactly what we need, certainly offensively. I'm just thinking there is a reason he hasn't played to date. And that's 2 players out of how many and one replaces a near ever present last season. So that means IF Mbenza is a better option than Ince and Durm stays fit we have improved ONE position from last season and we played the first 8 games with a weaker team. That in itself is really poor. Looks like Saturday may be a back five of Durm, Lowe, Stankovic, Zanka, Flo. A winnable game on paper already looks impossible because we don't have any experienced and reliable backup centre halves. Hef would have been just the job and may have taken his chance and provided some genuine competition. So we're in October and selling Ince and Hef is already looking like a major error IMO. Not to mention the other signings most of whom aren't yet good enough for the bench. So the question isn't really are Ince and Hef good enough for the prem, it's really do we have better? Is Stank ready for the prem? Diakabe, Mbenza? Wagner has already answered most of that question in his team selections hasn't he? I'm seriously hoping Wagner is forced into playing a back 4 but I suspect you might be right. Lowe looked astonished and pointed to himself when asked to move central on Saturday, though he did all right. Tommy Smith is a centre back isn't he? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 3, 2018 13:03:44 GMT 1
Can't we be grateful AND compete. We are competing by the way . Despite the odds being stacked massively against us . Why are man city top of the league and Macclesfield bottom ? Is it because of their respective desires to " compete " or might it have something to do with money .. in summary ... stop being an oaf all your life Our goals scored over the last 12 months is far from acceptable regardless of budgets. We've spent almost £100 million in that time anyway so it isn't like we haven't spent anything The lack of goals is as much down to our approach to games as it is the quality of player. If you only ever get one man in the box then you're not going to score many. Blackpool managed 55 goals in one season, we aren't going to manage that in two. They went down, we stayed up (although they did get more points) so there is clearly a balance needed between the two but we are so far from the middle it is untrue Offtopic do you think that if we fail to score or fail to win you are any more gutted than I am ? I very much doubt it .. but you and your ilk have no “bigger picture thinking “ if I’m prepared to admit I’d like to see us score more are you willing to accept what we have done in the last three years is a modern day football miracle ? No of course you won’t because you find it impossible to give credit and are unflinchingly negative I don’t suppose you want to compare our budget to the three teams who got relegated last year ? Or our current rivals ? . Moan away all you like ... keep cracking on like a potential future manager .. it’s all white noise |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 3, 2018 13:05:17 GMT 1
Go on Oti - what's point number 2? I think we all know we need to score goals to survive this season - good point, well made, argued to death now. Point 2 of nine is ... concede less goals .. the guy is lost on here |
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Post by syterrier on Oct 3, 2018 13:11:18 GMT 1
Wagner knows that Hef and Ince are not good enough for the Prem thats why they are playing in the Championship, Imo Durm and Mbenza will be good signings Ince contributed plenty last season whilst not setting it alight BUT the main thing you and other seem to fail to grasp is they have not been replaced with better. This is the main point, this means we are weaker, not sure why its so hard to grasp. Durm looks decent yes, hopefully he can stay fit. We've only seen a tiny bit of Mbenza but on Saturday I thought he looked exactly what we need, certainly offensively. I'm just thinking there is a reason he hasn't played to date. And that's 2 players out of how many and one replaces a near ever present last season. So that means IF Mbenza is a better option than Ince and Durm stays fit we have improved ONE position from last season and we played the first 8 games with a weaker team. That in itself is really poor. Looks like Saturday may be a back five of Durm, Lowe, Stankovic, Zanka, Flo. A winnable game on paper already looks impossible because we don't have any experienced and reliable backup centre halves. Hef would have been just the job and may have taken his chance and provided some genuine competition. So we're in October and selling Ince and Hef is already looking like a major error IMO. Not to mention the other signings most of whom aren't yet good enough for the bench. So the question isn't really are Ince and Hef good enough for the prem, it's really do we have better? Is Stank ready for the prem? Diakabe, Mbenza? Wagner has already answered most of that question in his team selections hasn't he? Sorry not to grasp your opinion, but we all have different views ,the management see these players every day in training a lot more than we do .and I have to agree with selling the two players to try and improve the team,we will have to see if it works or not |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 3, 2018 13:21:11 GMT 1
Should we be eternally grateful? We are in the Prem.....lets compete. I have always been one for going forward. Being satisfied with results and performances when we have been shocking makes no sense.....lets all just grin and bear it eh? Can't we be grateful AND compete. We are competing by the way . Despite the odds being stacked massively against us . Why are man city top of the league and Macclesfield bottom ? Is it because of their respective desires to " compete " or might it have something to do with money .. in summary ... stop being an oaf all your life 20 clubs in the PL. Only 4 of them arent owned by or have the backing of 1 or more billionaires - Burnley, Town, Watford and Cardiff. And of those 4 Vincent Tan has previously been classed as a billionaire whilst Watford are propped up by loans and cheap deals from sister clubs in Italy and Spain. But obviously this makes no difference and we're all on an even footing with our freebie £100m a year. |
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Post by Manx Terrier on Oct 3, 2018 13:56:31 GMT 1
It continues to amaze me how people get so wound up about opinions they do not share.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 3, 2018 14:35:21 GMT 1
It continues to amaze me how people get so wound up about opinions they do not share. Who gets wound up in your opinion ? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 3, 2018 15:27:57 GMT 1
It continues to amaze me how people get so wound up about opinions they do not share. Who gets wound up in your opinion ? I actually don't know whether you are being serious or taking the piss there Ted. It's hard to tell. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 3, 2018 19:47:30 GMT 1
Offtopic do you think that if we fail to score or fail to win you are any more gutted than I am ? I very much doubt it .. but you and your ilk have no “bigger picture thinking “ if I’m prepared to admit I’d like to see us score more are you willing to accept what we have done in the last three years is a modern day football miracle ? No of course you won’t because you find it impossible to give credit and are unflinchingly negative I don’t suppose you want to compare our budget to the three teams who got relegated last year ? Or our current rivals ? . Moan away all you like ... keep cracking on like a potential future manager .. it’s all white noise Top post Ted. ....except is it all white noise? I think the inability of some to see the bigger picture and give full credit for what we've achieved sometimes manifests itself in the crowd & support. More noticeably away than at home strangely TBF, although perhaps that's because except for one complete and utter knobhead who has just appeared by my right shoulder, where I sit they are generally long term season ticket holders. Murmurings like Offtopic's (& others) can have an effect. |
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