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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 3, 2018 20:05:06 GMT 1
Who gets wound up in your opinion ? I actually don't know whether you are being serious or taking the piss there Ted. It's hard to tell. Yeah cos it’s words on a screen . So how could you ever tell .. I think I’ve been wound up on here about twice in 10 years . And both were in offtopic . Footballs just blokes kicking a ball around |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 3, 2018 22:55:48 GMT 1
Message to Otium .A slightly altered quote from Oscar Wilde ."we may be at the bottom but a lot of us are still gazing up at the stars " For goodness sake start being more positive your persistent whinging and whining are now a PITA. Bottom of the league, 3 wins in 28, no wins this season and failed to score in 5 out of 8 matches. Thats not whinging....those are facts. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 3, 2018 23:14:15 GMT 1
You know what the feeling I get on here is amongst Town fans is the insistence to harking back to the bad old days. Yeah we've watched some crap over the years but that's in the past why does that affect now? It's the here and now that matters and we need to move forward, should always be looking to improve and move forward. You don't look back in your personal life do you? You move forward, the new challenge, that holiday you want, that new car, that new house, that bird you want to nobble down the local.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2018 7:16:01 GMT 1
The assumption being that Town aren’t looking to improve . Which is patently nonsense. An example being spending a small proportion of wealth acquired on a suitable training complex which replaces the league one set up we have at present . Seen as essential to keep moving forward ( to All but Otium )
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 4, 2018 7:34:16 GMT 1
You know what the feeling I get on here is amongst Town fans is the insistence to harking back to the bad old days. Yeah we've watched some crap over the years but that's in the past why does that affect now? It's the here and now that matters and we need to move forward, should always be looking to improve and move forward. You don't look back in your personal life do you? You move forward, the new challenge, that holiday you want, that new car, that new house, that bird you want to nobble down the local.Ha ha, that made me laugh. You obviously don't drink in Kirkheaton. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Oct 4, 2018 7:45:30 GMT 1
You know what the feeling I get on here is amongst Town fans is the insistence to harking back to the bad old days. Yeah we've watched some crap over the years but that's in the past why does that affect now? It's the here and now that matters and we need to move forward, should always be looking to improve and move forward. You don't look back in your personal life do you? You move forward, the new challenge, that holiday you want, that new car, that new house, that bird you want to nobble down the local. No, the average Joe does not seem to take the risks expected of the football club, plodding along in a job that's convenient to get to (often to a level they would be sent out on loan in the football world) and instead of sorting their own life out, so they can do the things they want, find something to whinge about 😂 In all seriousness, you are just misinterpreting the point being made, virtually no one is effectively accepting failure because we used to be shit for so long, just are aghast at moronic comments about this being the worst team, etc., which nearly always goes back to no appreciation on context. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 4, 2018 8:23:38 GMT 1
Offtopic do you think that if we fail to score or fail to win you are any more gutted than I am ? I very much doubt it .. but you and your ilk have no “bigger picture thinking “ if I’m prepared to admit I’d like to see us score more are you willing to accept what we have done in the last three years is a modern day football miracle ? No of course you won’t because you find it impossible to give credit and are unflinchingly negative I don’t suppose you want to compare our budget to the three teams who got relegated last year ? Or our current rivals ? . Moan away all you like ... keep cracking on like a potential future manager .. it’s all white noise Top post Ted. ....except is it all white noise? I think the inability of some to see the bigger picture and give full credit for what we've achieved sometimes manifests itself in the crowd & support. More noticeably away than at home strangely TBF, although perhaps that's because except for one complete and utter knobhead who has just appeared by my right shoulder, where I sit they are generally long term season ticket holders. Murmurings like Offtopic's (& others) can have an effect. I remember being away at Rotherham when we were down near the bottom of the Championship, right in the middle of the Jack Hunt helmet episode when he was getting absolute pelters on here. He apparently didn’t salute the fans after the match. Not something I noticed or would’ve cared about particularly, but on the way out a guy was absolutely raging, parroting a lot of lines from on here and trying to get everyone to join in on his two minute hate of one of our players. This forum definitely has an effect on behaviour of fans at the match, not a particularly big one but it can help consolidate ill will towards our players. |
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Post by Melc on Oct 4, 2018 10:07:52 GMT 1
Got to say i have enjoyed reading this debate on the last two pages, no insults, just opinions being thrown around as it should be!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 10:14:03 GMT 1
Got to say i have enjoyed reading this debate on the last two pages, no insults, just opinions being thrown around as it should be! Agree with you its about opinions my answer to the thread title is simple.IT HASNT. Atough spell no doubt but the club is in good shape that there is no doubt about. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 4, 2018 10:35:49 GMT 1
Top post Ted. ....except is it all white noise? I think the inability of some to see the bigger picture and give full credit for what we've achieved sometimes manifests itself in the crowd & support. More noticeably away than at home strangely TBF, although perhaps that's because except for one complete and utter knobhead who has just appeared by my right shoulder, where I sit they are generally long term season ticket holders. Murmurings like Offtopic's (& others) can have an effect. I remember being away at Rotherham when we were down near the bottom of the Championship, right in the middle of the Jack Hunt helmet episode when he was getting absolute pelters on here. He apparently didn’t salute the fans after the match. Not something I noticed or would’ve cared about particularly, but on the way out a guy was absolutely raging, parroting a lot of lines from on here and trying to get everyone to join in on his two minute hate of one of our players. This forum definitely has an effect on behaviour of fans at the match, not a particularly big one but it can help consolidate ill will towards our players. Wasn't the helmet episode a Twitter thing? Not sure you can pin someone spouting shite at a game on DATM |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 4, 2018 11:18:51 GMT 1
Point 2.
Recruitment. This has been very poor. Is the team that much stronger than the one that came up? We have spent in that time perhaps £90 million on players and with the exception of Kongolo where is the improvement? Naturally we have not really seen Durm and Mbenza yet but results are going backwards despite a dozen expensive signings. Someone has messed up...Rebbe...Wagner? Simply not good enough.
The key to changing players is that they should always be better than the one you replace. Malone was a disaster for example.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 4, 2018 11:24:59 GMT 1
The assumption being that Town aren’t looking to improve . Which is patently nonsense. An example being spending a small proportion of wealth acquired on a suitable training complex which replaces the league one set up we have at present . Seen as essential to keep moving forward ( to All but Otium ) Its like the housewife who changes the curtains annually. I sincerely doubt that Town need to spend £20 million on training facilities...especially ones that kick the fans down the road and isolate players even more. I went to the Cliff and Carrington several times. Simple training facilities did not stop Man Utd in the 90's. My point was use the money to stay up this season...THEN spaff £20 mill when you have another £200 mill coming your way. A reserve team stand with heated seats wont be a whole lot of good when we are playing Swindon in 2020. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 4, 2018 11:25:57 GMT 1
I remember being away at Rotherham when we were down near the bottom of the Championship, right in the middle of the Jack Hunt helmet episode when he was getting absolute pelters on here. He apparently didn’t salute the fans after the match. Not something I noticed or would’ve cared about particularly, but on the way out a guy was absolutely raging, parroting a lot of lines from on here and trying to get everyone to join in on his two minute hate of one of our players. This forum definitely has an effect on behaviour of fans at the match, not a particularly big one but it can help consolidate ill will towards our players. Wasn't the helmet episode a Twitter thing? Not sure you can pin someone spouting shite at a game on DATM If I had enough time on my hands I’m sure I could dredge up a few threads on Hunt that got into double pages. Nice attempt at a straw man but I’m not trying to ‘pin someone spouting shite at a game on DATM’. I said the site affects behaviour of fans at the match and gave an example of when it had. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2018 11:28:11 GMT 1
The assumption being that Town aren’t looking to improve . Which is patently nonsense. An example being spending a small proportion of wealth acquired on a suitable training complex which replaces the league one set up we have at present . Seen as essential to keep moving forward ( to All but Otium ) Its like the housewife who changes the curtains annually. I sincerely doubt that Town need to spend £20 million on training facilities...especially ones that kick the fans down the road and isolate players even more. I went to the Cliff and Carrington several times. Simple training facilities did not stop Man Utd in the 90's. My point was use the money to stay up this season...THEN spaff £20 mill when you have another £200 mill coming your way. A reserve team stand with heated seats wont be a whole lot of good when we are playing Swindon in 2020. That would be great .. and easy if investing a certain amount in playing staff guaranteed survival .. which of course it doesn’t ... wba Swansea and stoke all had wage bills a number of times bigger than ours . You really are deluded |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 11:36:26 GMT 1
Point 2. Recruitment. This has been very poor. Is the team that much stronger than the one that came up? We have spent in that time perhaps £90 million on players and with the exception of Kongolo where is the improvement? Naturally we have not really seen Durm and Mbenza yet but results are going backwards despite a dozen expensive signings. Someone has messed up...Rebbe...Wagner? Simply not good enough. The key to changing players is that they should always be better than the one you replace. Malone was a disaster for example. Unbelievably we managed to turn a profit on the combined Malone and Ince signings so you can knock that off the £90 million even though they were on the face of it poor signings . We also spent £25 million making permanent deals for loan players Mooy and Kongolo, good deals but spending money to essentially stand still year on year. We are working upwards from a very low base for a promoted team and we don't have money to burn so if we aren't securing proven loan players we are taking punts on cheap deals for young players. I could see the logic behind most of the signings this season apart frrom maybe the keeper so no complaints from me, I just wish we'd have signed a striker. You know yourself you can do loads of research, think you've found an absolutely brilliant punt at the wrong price and the outcome turns out to be a kick in the nuts. It doesn't make you a bad punter. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 4, 2018 12:40:02 GMT 1
You know what the feeling I get on here is amongst Town fans is the insistence to harking back to the bad old days. Yeah we've watched some crap over the years but that's in the past why does that affect now? It's the here and now that matters and we need to move forward, should always be looking to improve and move forward. You don't look back in your personal life do you? You move forward, the new challenge, that holiday you want, that new car, that new house, that bird you want to nobble down the local.Ha ha, that made me laugh. You obviously don't drink in Kirkheaton. I thought the same...not seen a fittie in a pub since John the Baptist was around. Isnt it "Nob". Nobble means something quite different! |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 4, 2018 12:44:57 GMT 1
Its like the housewife who changes the curtains annually. I sincerely doubt that Town need to spend £20 million on training facilities...especially ones that kick the fans down the road and isolate players even more. I went to the Cliff and Carrington several times. Simple training facilities did not stop Man Utd in the 90's. My point was use the money to stay up this season...THEN spaff £20 mill when you have another £200 mill coming your way. A reserve team stand with heated seats wont be a whole lot of good when we are playing Swindon in 2020. That would be great .. and easy if investing a certain amount in playing staff guaranteed survival .. which of course it doesn’t ... wba Swansea and stoke all had wage bills a number of times bigger than ours . You really are deluded Thats simply not true Teddy. Pep spent £200 mill and ran away with the league. I think if Town spent £200 mill on players they might survive and i believe and extra £20 million could certainly make all the difference. You on Dudelange at 30/1 tonight? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 13:29:45 GMT 1
That would be great .. and easy if investing a certain amount in playing staff guaranteed survival .. which of course it doesn’t ... wba Swansea and stoke all had wage bills a number of times bigger than ours . You really are deluded Thats simply not true Teddy. Pep spent £200 mill and ran away with the league. I think if Town spent £200 mill on players they might survive and i believe and extra £20 million could certainly make all the difference. You on Dudelange at 30/1 tonight? Last 5 years spending
Bought Sold Spend Per season Manchester City £740,400,000 £232,550,000 £507,850,000 £101,570,000
Not quite £ 200 million and they won it only twice in the 5 years the figures are based on - what happened the other 3 years, did they fuck it up big time. Would you not agree that the cumulative spending is the reason that City ran away with the league by improving the squad season on season. Getting Marez (sp) for £60 million is a pretty good bench warmer/impact player - not sure any other teams in England could do that
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Post by royrace on Oct 4, 2018 13:42:16 GMT 1
I remember being away at Rotherham when we were down near the bottom of the Championship, right in the middle of the Jack Hunt helmet episode when he was getting absolute pelters on here. He apparently didn’t salute the fans after the match. Not something I noticed or would’ve cared about particularly, but on the way out a guy was absolutely raging, parroting a lot of lines from on here and trying to get everyone to join in on his two minute hate of one of our players. This forum definitely has an effect on behaviour of fans at the match, not a particularly big one but it can help consolidate ill will towards our players. Wasn't the helmet episode a Twitter thing? Not sure you can pin someone spouting shite at a game on DATM Nowt to do with DATM I don't think, just certain Town fans being a fickle and over sensitive bunch. I always think Hunt was treated a bit like VLP, top player, youth product, owed us nothing in terms of a fee, great to watch, helped us get promoted, local lad but cos he called some dickhead fan that abused him a helmet on Twitter he became this figure of ridicule and hatred. Smithies somehow copped for a bit too, maybe jealousy him being a local lad doing well, seems bizarre to me. I don't get it. Same happened when VLP dared to mention he may have aspirations beyond HTAFC and wasn't content to coast his way to retirement. Suddenly a massive proportion of the fan base become mortally offended, how dare he?! Not DATM, just Town fans being humans, happened long before social media although it obviously spreads more quickly these days, as does the positive stuff tho so I reckon it gets evened out. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2018 14:14:49 GMT 1
That would be great .. and easy if investing a certain amount in playing staff guaranteed survival .. which of course it doesn’t ... wba Swansea and stoke all had wage bills a number of times bigger than ours . You really are deluded Thats simply not true Teddy. Pep spent £200 mill and ran away with the league. I think if Town spent £200 mill on players they might survive and i believe and extra £20 million could certainly make all the difference. You on Dudelange at 30/1 tonight? When you said “spent 200m “ I assume you are factoring weekly wages into your thinking ? Is Dudelange running at Chelmsford ? |
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Post by greyarea on Oct 4, 2018 14:24:43 GMT 1
Wasn't the helmet episode a Twitter thing? Not sure you can pin someone spouting shite at a game on DATM Nowt to do with DATM I don't think, just certain Town fans being a fickle and over sensitive bunch. I always think Hunt was treated a bit like VLP, top player, youth product, owed us nothing in terms of a fee, great to watch, helped us get promoted, local lad but cos he called some dickhead fan that abused him a helmet on Twitter he became this figure of ridicule and hatred. Smithies somehow copped for a bit too, maybe jealousy him being a local lad doing well, seems bizarre to me. I don't get it. Same happened when VLP dared to mention he may have aspirations beyond HTAFC and wasn't content to coast his way to retirement. Suddenly a massive proportion of the fan base become mortally offended, how dare he?! Not DATM, just Town fans being humans, happened long before social media although it obviously spreads more quickly these days, as does the positive stuff tho so I reckon it gets evened out. I think there i truth in Town fans being a bit precious when a footballer shows a desire to make the most of a short career and play at the highest level they can. Jack Hunt is a little different though. I think we all trust Dean Hoyle and know him to be straight talking and honest. It comes from Dean (and I cannot remember the details, I'm not sure Dean divulged them) that Jack Hunt did not leave the club in a reasonable/good way. As shown when Hunt was phoning around for a loan move after his broken leg at Crystal Palace. Hoyles response was to paraphrase: 'go play for Barnsley as your not welcome back here'. I think this is Hunt gets some stick. The helmet thing was more a banter thing beforehand. Just to add and repeat. It hasn't gone wrong this year. |
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Post by drumriggend on Oct 4, 2018 14:40:25 GMT 1
Point 2. Recruitment. This has been very poor. Is the team that much stronger than the one that came up? We have spent in that time perhaps £90 million on players and with the exception of Kongolo where is the improvement? Naturally we have not really seen Durm and Mbenza yet but results are going backwards despite a dozen expensive signings. Someone has messed up...Rebbe...Wagner? Simply not good enough. The key to changing players is that they should always be better than the one you replace. Malone was a disaster for example. You've gone way too early on this bro.. You are gonna look a reyt plank if town go on a run between now and Xmas.. Me thinks you shud ave waited for the patient to die before performing you're ortopsy old lad.. 😉 |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 4, 2018 16:25:03 GMT 1
Thats simply not true Teddy. Pep spent £200 mill and ran away with the league. I think if Town spent £200 mill on players they might survive and i believe and extra £20 million could certainly make all the difference. You on Dudelange at 30/1 tonight? Last 5 years spending
Bought Sold Spend Per season Manchester City £740,400,000 £232,550,000 £507,850,000 £101,570,000
Not quite £ 200 million and they won it only twice in the 5 years the figures are based on - what happened the other 3 years, did they fuck it up big time. Would you not agree that the cumulative spending is the reason that City ran away with the league by improving the squad season on season. Getting Marez (sp) for £60 million is a pretty good bench warmer/impact player - not sure any other teams in England could do that
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Oct 4, 2018 16:50:24 GMT 1
Last 5 years spending
Bought Sold Spend Per season Manchester City £740,400,000 £232,550,000 £507,850,000 £101,570,000
Not quite £ 200 million and they won it only twice in the 5 years the figures are based on - what happened the other 3 years, did they fuck it up big time. Would you not agree that the cumulative spending is the reason that City ran away with the league by improving the squad season on season. Getting Marez (sp) for £60 million is a pretty good bench warmer/impact player - not sure any other teams in England could do that
I meant £200 mill last season. You can’t ignore the players they already had before last season. Their squad before last season was much better than our squad before this season. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 4, 2018 17:02:06 GMT 1
I meant £200 mill last season. You can’t ignore the players they already had before last season. Their squad before last season was much better than our squad before this season. Pffft. It's not like existing players like Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Stones, Otamendi and De Bruyne had anything to do with their title triumph. |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Oct 4, 2018 17:15:17 GMT 1
We can’t fully judge our recruitment until the end of the season but it doesn’t look to have been amazing.
I’m not sure if it is anything to do with the timing of Rebbe taking over. He didn’t start until well into the transfer window so probably had nothing to do with identifying the transfer targets. Moss left quite a while ago and I am not sure who was in charge of recruitment/scouting in the interim.
Can’t have been easy though. If you look at clubs in our position they have had to spend an awful lot of money to try to improve their squads and it hasn’t worked for many. For others (Burnley, Bournemouth, Brighton) their key players are still the ones they had when they got promoted. We didn’t have players as good as them in our promotion season and half our good players were on loan so we have had a lot of catching up to do.
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Post by benhomly on Oct 4, 2018 17:51:07 GMT 1
Ha ha, that made me laugh. You obviously don't drink in Kirkheaton. I thought the same...not seen a fittie in a pub since John the Baptist was around. Isnt it "Nob". Nobble means something quite different! Whereas when you go to the pub Oti there isn't one occasion when they're not throwing themselves at your feet  |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 4, 2018 18:41:38 GMT 1
I thought the same...not seen a fittie in a pub since John the Baptist was around. Isnt it "Nob". Nobble means something quite different! Whereas when you go to the pub Oti there isn't one occasion when they're not throwing themselves at your feet My playboy days are over. I look 100 at the moment. Been in bed 3 days with Aussie flu...i am not surprised people die. I cant walk, eat, think. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 4, 2018 20:24:49 GMT 1
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