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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 30, 2019 22:27:33 GMT 1
When Hull got relegated his agent told me he wanted a Prem club....i mentioned it on here. Should have gone for him as well..got two today. 66 caps for Poland and he would have been less than 5 mill. The shite we signed. I mean Turbo of course....Kamel Grosicki.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Mar 30, 2019 22:29:22 GMT 1
What the hell are you talking about. How am I revelling in us getting relegated. My whole point is I'm pissed off we are relegated and shouldn't be saying it's not gone wrong and be happy about it. I don't think anyone is happy but the reasons why we have been relegated are understood and to a degree accepted. It's happened rather than looking back let's look forward. Ok. Don't think I was looking back. I was talking about next season and what we should be happy with. We shouldn't be accepting another poor season just because we are in a good league.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 30, 2019 22:30:24 GMT 1
When Hull got relegated his agent told me he wanted a Prem club....i mentioned it on here. Should have gone for him as well..got two today. 66 caps for Poland and he would have been less than 5 mill. The shite we signed. Here's a suggestion...apply for the DOF role...Why not? I wouldn't be disparaging of your knowledge of the European League's, I don't know these players but I didn't know most Wagner signed. There's a campaign...Otium for DOF.
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Post by C.H on Mar 30, 2019 22:32:20 GMT 1
Ramadam 5.7mill Diakhaby 9 mill Mbenza imagine paying 13mill
That’s where is went wrong there all shite what a absolute waste
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 30, 2019 22:32:24 GMT 1
If people think we are steaming back to the Prem they are DREAMING. Lets see who we sign....Zahovic from Maribor, Haraslin from Gdansk, Maycon from Shaktar? No, it will be some halfway there Brentford midfielder. If you REALLY think Town should go after those guys then tell the club. Don’t just post it on here. They might just act on it ....they certainly did when Ross Wilson was with the club.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 30, 2019 22:34:49 GMT 1
I don't think anyone is happy but the reasons why we have been relegated are understood and to a degree accepted. It's happened rather than looking back let's look forward. Ok. Don't think I was looking back. I was talking about next season and what we should be happy with. We shouldn't be accepting another poor season just because we are in a good league. I think you have to accept, because it happened It's correcting what happened that is required. There are issues, primarily with recruitment, that need addressing but it's not as if we are in complete turmoil as a club. We need to build on the past 3 years as the base is solid. Look back and learn and move forward.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 30, 2019 23:02:57 GMT 1
When Hull got relegated his agent told me he wanted a Prem club....i mentioned it on here. Should have gone for him as well..got two today. 66 caps for Poland and he would have been less than 5 mill. The shite we signed. Here's a suggestion...apply for the DOF role...Why not? I wouldn't be disparaging of your knowledge of the European League's, I don't know these players but I didn't know most Wagner signed. There's a campaign...Otium for DOF. Stuff like that is hard to break in to...they would not listen to an outsider like me. These guys have sports and business degrees. I could do it NO problem. Flying around Europe checking out players and their contracts. I do contract work, marketing, worked in business 40 years. I know i can spot a player.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 30, 2019 23:05:18 GMT 1
Here's a suggestion...apply for the DOF role...Why not? I wouldn't be disparaging of your knowledge of the European League's, I don't know these players but I didn't know most Wagner signed. There's a campaign...Otium for DOF. Stuff like that is hard to break in to...they would not listen to an outsider like me. These guys have sports and business degrees. I could do it NO problem. Flying around Europe checking out players and their contracts. I do contract work, marketing, worked in business 40 years. I know i can spot a player. Have you checked the sell by date on that batch of humility pills you've been taking? Probably a knock off batch from somewhere like Poland...
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 30, 2019 23:08:35 GMT 1
If people think we are steaming back to the Prem they are DREAMING. Lets see who we sign....Zahovic from Maribor, Haraslin from Gdansk, Maycon from Shaktar? No, it will be some halfway there Brentford midfielder. If you REALLY think Town should go after those guys then tell the club. Don’t just post it on here. They might just act on it ....they certainly did when Ross Wilson was with the club. These are examples of players having good seasons. Seen Haraslin a couple of times...very tricky. The things is we thought too small and being Prem it made prices explode. I used to contact the club re players in the 1990's...they even took one on trial but he went to Forest. As i have posted before...the first i recommended was a 16 year old Freddie Ljungberg....i was palmed off.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 30, 2019 23:09:28 GMT 1
Stuff like that is hard to break in to...they would not listen to an outsider like me. These guys have sports and business degrees. I could do it NO problem. Flying around Europe checking out players and their contracts. I do contract work, marketing, worked in business 40 years. I know i can spot a player. Have you checked the sell by date on that batch of humility pills you've been taking? Probably a knock off batch from somewhere like Poland... You ever met the guys who do that stuff? I can hold my own in any business environment.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 30, 2019 23:10:03 GMT 1
Here's a suggestion...apply for the DOF role...Why not? I wouldn't be disparaging of your knowledge of the European League's, I don't know these players but I didn't know most Wagner signed. There's a campaign...Otium for DOF. Stuff like that is hard to break in to...they would not listen to an outsider like me. These guys have sports and business degrees. I could do it NO problem. Flying around Europe checking out players and their contracts. I do contract work, marketing, worked in business 40 years. I know i can spot a player. How about as a scout? All sorts of neardowells are agents and get paid for not much. If you think you can judge talent offer your services on a pay as you go basis. If your player gets signed you get so much, so much for appearances and so much if profit is made. These people who do this aren't all qualified, back yourself.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 30, 2019 23:11:50 GMT 1
Have you checked the sell by date on that batch of humility pills you've been taking? Probably a knock off batch from somewhere like Poland... You ever met the guys who do that stuff? I can hold my own in any business environment. We know you can hold your own - tallywacker that is... 😁 I read posts by Branson, never shuts up about you...
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 30, 2019 23:13:18 GMT 1
Stuff like that is hard to break in to...they would not listen to an outsider like me. These guys have sports and business degrees. I could do it NO problem. Flying around Europe checking out players and their contracts. I do contract work, marketing, worked in business 40 years. I know i can spot a player. How about as a scout? All sorts of neardowells are agents and get paid for not much. If you think you can judge talent offer your services on a pay as you go basis. If your player gets signed you get so much, so much for appearances and so much if profit is made. These people who do this aren't all qualified, back yourself. Seriously considered it. I remember two guys i played with having a go. One had a little success. FIFA brought in a $10,000 bond...going back to the early 90's. Its not quite as straight forward these days. I would love to go to Uganda and find a 13 year old future world heavyweight champion...they are there.
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Post by ritchie on Mar 31, 2019 0:34:05 GMT 1
How about as a scout? All sorts of neardowells are agents and get paid for not much. If you think you can judge talent offer your services on a pay as you go basis. If your player gets signed you get so much, so much for appearances and so much if profit is made. These people who do this aren't all qualified, back yourself. Seriously considered it. I remember two guys i played with having a go. One had a little success. FIFA brought in a $10,000 bond...going back to the early 90's. Its not quite as straight forward these days. I would love to go to Uganda and find a 13 year old future world heavyweight champion...they are there. you're the football forum equivalent of the IT guy from the office
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 31, 2019 0:54:50 GMT 1
Seriously considered it. I remember two guys i played with having a go. One had a little success. FIFA brought in a $10,000 bond...going back to the early 90's. Its not quite as straight forward these days. I would love to go to Uganda and find a 13 year old future world heavyweight champion...they are there. you're the football forum equivalent of the IT guy from the office Thats nice.....and helpful....for a man with no telly.
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Post by Stiggy on Mar 31, 2019 1:06:31 GMT 1
we brought players in that either weren’t better then we already had or weren’t ready to go straight in the first team ahead of players we already had and whoever watched these players and agreed to sign them let us down IMO.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 31, 2019 10:27:25 GMT 1
Still think the summer recruitment was the main factor although everything that could have gone wrong this season has done.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Mar 31, 2019 11:02:20 GMT 1
This is simple the club are 100% totally at fault this season. They left Wagner totally short up top, we've never addressed the goals scored that was the game changer. I said this at the start of the season that this would be our downfall. I wouldn't have bought Kongolo but spent that money on a Striker. You simply can't play football without a top striker at any level of the game. Club sold Wagner short, end of
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Post by ruggedivy on Mar 31, 2019 11:10:24 GMT 1
In hindsight we should of fought harder to keep Webber. We have been a rudderless boat in regards to player recruitment since He left. Wagner buckled under the pressure. Would He of been so quick to throw in the towel if He had a strong DOF working with Him?
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Post by El Mel on Mar 31, 2019 12:37:09 GMT 1
Tony Cascarino stating the obvious here, but the writing was on the wall when most folk were still eulogising over David Wagner.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 31, 2019 12:43:26 GMT 1
Tony Cascarino stating the obvious here, but the writing was on the wall when most folk were still eulogising over David Wagner. Wagner never let enough men get in to the box. He was so scared of being countered that it was usually just the striker in there and occasionally one other player might venture in. At least Siewart is allowing 3 or 4 to get in there
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Post by andyeastleake on Mar 31, 2019 12:56:08 GMT 1
The earliest ever relegation was 29th March (Derby). Another bad record we could likely break. You are in the wrong game oti lad. You'll have to explain this one to me Oti. You said we'd likely break Derby's record. We didn't (as seemed pretty obvious at the time). Hence you were wrong.........but you're still bragging as if you were right. ? I thought you had a selective memory of events but it seems it's worse than that. You're capable of turning occasions you were wrong into an example of when you were right.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 31, 2019 13:49:02 GMT 1
You are in the wrong game oti lad. You'll have to explain this one to me Oti. You said we'd likely break Derby's record. We didn't (as seemed pretty obvious at the time). Hence you were wrong.........but you're still bragging as if you were right. ? I thought you had a selective memory of events but it seems it's worse than that. You're capable of turning occasions you were wrong into an example of when you were right. Sorry the 100/1 shot i tipped up in October was only the joint earliest relegation ever (we were actually 3 minutes earlier than Derby).
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Post by town1907 on Mar 31, 2019 14:22:33 GMT 1
You'll have to explain this one to me Oti. You said we'd likely break Derby's record. We didn't (as seemed pretty obvious at the time). Hence you were wrong.........but you're still bragging as if you were right. ? I thought you had a selective memory of events but it seems it's worse than that. You're capable of turning occasions you were wrong into an example of when you were right. Sorry the 100/1 shot i tipped up in October was only the joint earliest relegation ever (we were actually 3 minutes earlier than Derby). So a loser then? Derby were relegated on the 29 March. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5531005/DERBY.html
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 31, 2019 14:24:37 GMT 1
Tony Cascarino stating the obvious here, but the writing was on the wall when most folk were still eulogising over David Wagner. He is right though pal.
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Post by wigster on Mar 31, 2019 15:27:57 GMT 1
Tony Cascarino stating the obvious here, but the writing was on the wall when most folk were still eulogising over David Wagner. He is right though pal. It certainly is stating the obvious but that doesn't stop it being true. I know it might be heresy but David Wagner, who was responsible for one of our biggest achievements in, literally, generations was unfortunately allowed to stay too long.We owe him so much but from the latter stages of last season our/his "identity" had changed. He'd lost his energy/enthusiasm/positivity/whatever it was and if perhaps Deano had been 100% then either DW would have gone or we would have seen the "old" Wagner again. Unfortunately we played his way - massively safety first, one in the box etc - for far far too long and combine that with the lack of direction/passion/ambition that Winter and the rest seemed to show without Dean Hoyle then relegation was almost inevitable for months and months. The last lengthy interview I heard Winter give - the one with "there's not a lot wrong here" - shrieked of complacency and self-justification. To an accountant who didn't watch Town weekly then it might have sounded rational, but to those of us who've watched the football served up for a long time it showed up as either a PR job or as a "the football side doesn't matter, we're healthy financially" statement of priority. Everything is relative so we're obviously a better team than the one that I watched in the old 4th division, but I can't remember when I approached Town matches with the lack of optimism or enjoyment as I have this season. If Jan Siewert is the right man for the job - and for me the jury is out (he says all the right things but our results are still abysmal)- then he's got a massive amount of work to do from now till August. Hopefully Town are already planning for next season, on the strengthening team side rather than just the financial side, but the messing about with appointing the Director of Football does seem a bit worrying. I don't think that many would argue that the whole club has seemed rudderless and drifting in Dean's unfortunate absence.
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Post by El Mel on Mar 31, 2019 16:37:58 GMT 1
Tony Cascarino stating the obvious here, but the writing was on the wall when most folk were still eulogising over David Wagner. He is right though pal. Absolutely. Wagner may well get another decent job in football, but there are two big questions to answer for him now. 1. Can he create an effective goal scoring team. 2. Does he have the stomach for a fight. He was part of great achievements at the club, possiby the the most important part, but he wasn't solely responsible.
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Post by andyeastleake on Mar 31, 2019 16:47:57 GMT 1
You'll have to explain this one to me Oti. You said we'd likely break Derby's record. We didn't (as seemed pretty obvious at the time). Hence you were wrong.........but you're still bragging as if you were right. ? I thought you had a selective memory of events but it seems it's worse than that. You're capable of turning occasions you were wrong into an example of when you were right. Sorry the 100/1 shot i tipped up in October was only the joint earliest relegation ever (we were actually 3 minutes earlier than Derby). Well TBF IF you did tip that in October on here you should have quoted that thread rather than the one you did (which contained a prediction you plain and simply got wrong). Still struggling with the concept of how something that happens on the 30th of March can be earlier than something that happens on the 29th of March ....but hey ho the odds are a lot higher than 100/1 that you'll ever admit you're wrong.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 31, 2019 17:33:43 GMT 1
Six games to go...same point in the season....actually we were earlier as we were mathematically down earlier. Both were 3pm Saturday matches.
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Post by town1907 on Mar 31, 2019 17:40:35 GMT 1
Six games to go...same point in the season....actually we were earlier as we were mathematically down earlier. Both were 3pm Saturday matches. Which bookmaker did you bet with? All bets I have seen are strictly on dates and on not matches left. That would explain why they were offering 100-1, knowing that we would have to be relegated before 29 March. Easily checked though - just let me know the bookmaker and I can confirm with them as I would be interested.
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