irverino
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Dec 2, 2018 0:03:32 GMT 1
Post by irverino on Dec 2, 2018 0:03:32 GMT 1
If we got him again in another match are we allowed to say we don't want him? Reffed us in Cardiff, Liverpool & Brighton games, 4th official in Chelsea & West Ham matches all at JS.....he's been more times than some of our SC holders!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 0:10:34 GMT 1
Is it true we have had pretty much the same couple of referees all season apart from the wolves game? Surely it can't be right. Was it also oliver that gave hogg a second booking for trying to pass the pall but a lad nipped in front against watford last season?
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Dec 2, 2018 0:46:56 GMT 1
Post by zoso on Dec 2, 2018 0:46:56 GMT 1
Is it true we have had pretty much the same couple of referees all season apart from the wolves game? Surely it can't be right. Was it also oliver that gave hogg a second booking for trying to pass the pall but a lad nipped in front against watford last season? It was indeed. He was a total twat that game too.
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Dec 2, 2018 1:04:05 GMT 1
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Post by willo on Dec 2, 2018 1:04:05 GMT 1
Why aren't refs allowed to speak and at least explain their decisions? So ong as it was consutrctive I wouldn't see an issue - might help them in a way. I mean managers always have to give interviews regardless of the results and ok they usually try and hide behind excuses but at least you can understand what they were thinking/saw. Because the prem is so corrupt and covered up. Sadly, I’ve been thinking the same for some time.
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Dec 2, 2018 1:04:26 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 2, 2018 1:04:26 GMT 1
Yep sent Hogg off last season. He's a Newcastle fan isn't he?
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Dec 2, 2018 1:07:16 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Dec 2, 2018 1:07:16 GMT 1
Is it true we have had pretty much the same couple of referees all season apart from the wolves game? Surely it can't be right. Was it also oliver that gave hogg a second booking for trying to pass the pall but a lad nipped in front against watford last season? Correct. Funnily enough a Brighton player made a very similar challenge today, and wasn't booked.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 2, 2018 1:08:44 GMT 1
Why aren't refs allowed to speak and at least explain their decisions? So ong as it was consutrctive I wouldn't see an issue - might help them in a way. I mean managers always have to give interviews regardless of the results and ok they usually try and hide behind excuses but at least you can understand what they were thinking/saw. Because the prem is so corrupt and covered up. Course it is. They don't want clubs like town, Cardiff and Burnley etc in the prem. I can't wait until VAR is brought in next season, if we are still in the prem it will help us out massively, there's no wonder all the big clubs are against it, it's like a previous poster posted if their wasn't goal line technology wolves would have been given that no goal last weekend. Look at some of the pens given through VAR at the world cup. With VAR we'd have had a penalty today.
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Dec 2, 2018 1:10:02 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Dec 2, 2018 1:10:02 GMT 1
Because the prem is so corrupt and covered up. Course it is. They don't want clubs like town, Cardiff and Burnley etc in the prem. I can't wait until VAR is brought in next season, if we are still in the prem it will help us out massively, there's no wonder all the big clubs are against it, it's like a previous poster posted if their wasn't goal line technology wolves would have been given that no goal last weekend. Look at some of the pens given through VAR at the world cup. With VAR we'd have had a penalty today. 1 slight problem - it will be the same ref's who currently give us fuck all with perfect views being the VAR.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 1:11:59 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 2, 2018 1:11:59 GMT 1
Noticed a few posters picking up on him having a laugh and cuddle with Murray pre match. I swear when the lad who scored their winner came off he shook his hand when he trotted past him?? Then he waited for Glen Murray to get in position ??
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 1:16:57 GMT 1
Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 2, 2018 1:16:57 GMT 1
Because the prem is so corrupt and covered up. Sadly, I’ve been thinking the same for some time. We'll be accused of sour grapes as usual, but it was a good few yrs ago when there were some high profile names in the dock... www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-grobbelaar-and-segers-charged-by-fa-with-breaches-of-betting-rules-1239994.htmlWith the ridiculous sums of money in the game nowadays, the TV and betting markets essentially having a massive say in most of the top leagues and the generally corrupt nature of FIFA and other closed shop ruling bodies, then I struggle to see how football can be clean... Whether this flows down through the ranks to officials being told to give certain clubs the rub of the green or not is probably debatable, but there's certainly a power base in the domestic games where the rules are essentially made by the top clubs. Just as you have the gang of six/seven in England, you have the so called Galactico in Spain. Galactico? Is there any more pretentious way to blow smoke up the arses of these clubs & players? The Hans Segers attempted save looked dodgy even when I saw it on MOTD back in the day. Look at this from about 9min 30sec, then wait for the replay from behind the goal... There's form here, don't forget the size of the prize here for Everton, PL survival, last game of the season...
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Dec 2, 2018 1:26:48 GMT 1
Post by irverino on Dec 2, 2018 1:26:48 GMT 1
Yep sent Hogg off last season. He's a Newcastle fan isn't he? Hoggy got 2 yellows v. Watford, straight red v. Cardiff, Deeney (30 min) & Ayew (10 min) also got straight reds from geordie Mick in last 12 months against Town.....I think he's a fan of the rules!!
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Post by willo on Dec 2, 2018 1:28:03 GMT 1
Don’t think I’ll have calmed down after Saturday’s game until at least Monday but I’m now at bristling with fury after a few beers from out & out anger after the final whistle had gone so can be somewhat coherent. After a surprising very early goal (great delivery from Bruno by the way, we should sign him in January to play out wide with crossing ability like that), we looked pretty much in control of things. The red card that was never a red card, as probably 95pc on here would agree, changed everything. If we could have just got to h/t still in front, things could have been sorted properly then but instead we go to sleep at the back and let them score. The 2nd half substitutions were a bit odd and we seem to struggle to adapt if we go a man down. What the hell has happened to Depoitre? He’s carrying too much weight and the earth seems to shake when he goes on a run. He’s starting to remind me of Alan Lee! Not good. Today only highlighted yet again how desperate we are for at LEAST one striker in January. No more wingers, please! Don’t know what else to say about Oliver. He’s only youngish so will be around for some time yet and we’ll get him again but he is now hated in these parts. He’ll get jeered and booed from the off next time we have him, all brought about by a number of shocking decisions v Brighton, most notably the Mounie red card. It’s a long, long, time since I heard a referee leave the field at our place to that sort of abuse, proper vitriolic. He’s also caused some disharmony between the two clubs by his carryings on. Also no mention elsewhere (I think) to the Brighton players leaving the field in front of the main stand at the end; Bruno sarcastically clapping the crowd, Dunk & Duffy highlighting the scoreline & that prick of a number 8 doing a little jig and laughing. Hoping we stop up if only to play them again next season.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 2, 2018 1:48:41 GMT 1
Yellow card at the most, he does catch him but not as if it was studs first. There are no words to describe how I feel when people start saying it might be a red. It is never a red. It has never seen red. It is nowhere near a red. It wasn't a red today, it wasn't a red 10 years ago and it should never be a red in the future. It is not a red in the PL. It is not a red in the Championship. It is not a red in La Liga or the MLS. It would never be a red at the World Cup. It would never have been a red in the Anglo-Italian Cup. It is not a red on grass, 3g, 4g, concrete or asphalt. It is not a red in kids football or Sunday Leagues. It is not a red on a Saturday or a Sunday or any other day of the week. It is not a red on a rec or in a five-a-side game. The only place where it is a red is in the narcissistic Michael Oliver's brain, so that he can, yet again, take centre stage. He thinks he is football but in reality, he is anti-football. Chats, great post and why us?.
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Post by willo on Dec 2, 2018 2:03:07 GMT 1
It’s going to take til the middle of next week for a few of us on here to calm down after yesterday’s game.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 2, 2018 2:05:33 GMT 1
It’s going to take til the middle of next week for a few of us on here to calm down after yesterday’s game. I should be calm by now, I am not. The posts I have read about MOTD haven't helped.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 2, 2018 2:53:33 GMT 1
It’s going to take til the middle of next week for a few of us on here to calm down after yesterday’s game. I should be calm by now, I am not. The posts I have read about MOTD haven't helped. the arm round the neck will be a hanging offence next week when committed against a player like Salah etc.. first rule before you commit a potential career ending foul... dont do it from the front, side on its merely 'badly timed' and just a yellow? ignore the exact same foul committed by kane earlier, he just 'overstretched' apparently.. i am falling out quite a lot with the game, especially at this level..
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Post by fisher on Dec 2, 2018 3:28:26 GMT 1
Haven’t a clue if it’s been mentioned already but his decision in second half to award a goal kick when their centre half booted the ball into row Z summed the refs performance up,
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Dec 2, 2018 3:45:56 GMT 1
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 2, 2018 3:45:56 GMT 1
Haven’t a clue if it’s been mentioned already but his decision in second half to award a goal kick when their centre half booted the ball into row Z summed the refs performance up, Oh yeah forgot about that one! Fucking hell!!
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 2, 2018 6:40:29 GMT 1
I should be calm by now, I am not. The posts I have read about MOTD haven't helped. the arm round the neck will be a hanging offence next week when committed against a player like Salah etc.. first rule before you commit a potential career ending foul... dont do it from the front, side on its merely 'badly timed' and just a yellow? ignore the exact same foul committed by kane earlier, he just 'overstretched' apparently.. i am falling out quite a lot with the game, especially at this level.. Town involvement aside, there isn't much I really like about the Premier League. The never ending National media coverage of the top Clubs, who gives a fuck about what is going on at Tottenham or Man City apart from there own fans?. The media think everybody is interested. The inconsistencies you refer to here. The obscene amount of money floating around and wages paid (and yes I appreciate we now benefit). MOTD, gone to the dogs, utter, utter shite. I had sky sports for about 14 years up until last year, the live Premier League matches?. Yaaaaaaaaawn, boring. I don't miss them. I genuinely prefer the Conference matches I do watch now on BT Sport. If it wasn't for Town playing in it (and ruffling a few feathers when we dare to take points) I would have no involvement in it whatsoever.
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Dec 2, 2018 12:37:07 GMT 1
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Post by drewden on Dec 2, 2018 12:37:07 GMT 1
Because the prem is so corrupt and covered up. Course it is. They don't want clubs like town, Cardiff and Burnley etc in the prem. I can't wait until VAR is brought in next season, if we are still in the prem it will help us out massively, there's no wonder all the big clubs are against it, it's like a previous poster posted if their wasn't goal line technology wolves would have been given that no goal last weekend. Look at some of the pens given through VAR at the world cup. With VAR we'd have had a penalty today. Town must stop being too kind to teams and start being actors, if you cant beat em join em and all that jazz, it would be sweet revenge to see the boot on the other foot.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 12:50:47 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Dec 2, 2018 12:50:47 GMT 1
Course it is. They don't want clubs like town, Cardiff and Burnley etc in the prem. I can't wait until VAR is brought in next season, if we are still in the prem it will help us out massively, there's no wonder all the big clubs are against it, it's like a previous poster posted if their wasn't goal line technology wolves would have been given that no goal last weekend. Look at some of the pens given through VAR at the world cup. With VAR we'd have had a penalty today. Town must stop being too kind to teams and start being actors, if you cant beat em join em and all that jazz, it would be sweet revenge to see the boot on the other foot. Have you seen Flo and Van La Parra play? Depoitre's embarrassing dive at Burnley? We aren't whiter than white are we! Var should have given us the pen, but it wouldn;t have changed the red card IMO.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 2, 2018 13:11:37 GMT 1
Town must stop being too kind to teams and start being actors, if you cant beat em join em and all that jazz, it would be sweet revenge to see the boot on the other foot. Have you seen Flo and Van La Parra play? Depoitre's embarrassing dive at Burnley? We aren't whiter than white are we! Var should have given us the pen, but it wouldn;t have changed the red card IMO. How on earth do you see that as a red?
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Dec 2, 2018 13:14:51 GMT 1
For me, I totally understand the red card - I don't think it was a red but I can see why he sent him off, it was a pathetic challenge, just a little toe poke but it was high.
There is no defence for the pen, any other team gets that...why don't commentators/pundits listen to themselves, some times it's "it was soft but there was contact so a pen", then last night "not sure how much it was him being pulled back, even though the arm was round his neck, or if it was him throwing himself to the ground".
Pathetic refereeing all game though....we have not had any of those game changing decisions go our way all season, not sure it'll even itself out at all.
However, I also don't think Balogun's was a sending off either, yellow all day long for me.
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Post by impact on Dec 2, 2018 13:16:25 GMT 1
For me, I totally understand the red card - I don't think it was a red but I can see why he sent him off, it was a pathetic challenge, just a little toe poke but it was high. There is no defence for the pen, any other team gets that...why don't commentators/pundits listen to themselves, some times it's "it was soft but there was contact so a pen", then last night "not sure how much it was him being pulled back, even though the arm was round his neck, or if it was him throwing himself to the ground". Pathetic refereeing all game though....we have not had any of those game changing decisions go our way all season, not sure it'll even itself out at all. However, I also don't think Balogun's was a sending off either, yellow all day long for me. If you take the Balogun incident in isolation then I can see that. But if you've set the red card bar at scraping past someone, then flying in studs up more than meets that bar. Only 1 of those 2 challenges could have caused a bad injury, and it wasn't Mounie's.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Dec 2, 2018 13:19:54 GMT 1
For me, I totally understand the red card - I don't think it was a red but I can see why he sent him off, it was a pathetic challenge, just a little toe poke but it was high. There is no defence for the pen, any other team gets that...why don't commentators/pundits listen to themselves, some times it's "it was soft but there was contact so a pen", then last night "not sure how much it was him being pulled back, even though the arm was round his neck, or if it was him throwing himself to the ground". Pathetic refereeing all game though....we have not had any of those game changing decisions go our way all season, not sure it'll even itself out at all. However, I also don't think Balogun's was a sending off either, yellow all day long for me. If you take the Balogun incident in isolation then I can see that. But if you've set the red card bar at scraping past someone, then flying in studs up more than meets that bar. Only 1 of those 2 challenges could have caused a bad injury, and it wasn't Mounie's. I agree with you, when I saw it live I thought red, Oliver will have seen the height of the challenge but not realised he had virtually pulled out, hence me saying I can see why he sent him off. Having seen both again, neither were reds for me.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 2, 2018 13:38:55 GMT 1
I missed the match because I was working, but I saw the pics of Mounié’s challenge and thought it looked nasty. When I saw actual footage, I thought surely that can’t be it? Soft as for a red. Yellow at best. That said, you don’t give a clown like Oliver the chance to send you off because he’ll take it.
Penalty was a stonewaller. You can’t just bear hug a player and get away with it(well apparently you can). If that was a Town player and a pen was given against, I’d be livid at the Town player for having an arm across like that. VAR would give that.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 13:43:07 GMT 1
Post by Terrier Ramone on Dec 2, 2018 13:43:07 GMT 1
I missed the match because I was working, but I saw the pics of Mounié’s challenge and thought it looked nasty. When I saw actual footage, I thought surely that can’t be it? Soft as for a red. Yellow at best. That said, you don’t give a clown like Oliver the chance to send you off because he’ll take it. Penalty was a stonewaller. You can’t just bear hug a player and get away with it(well apparently you can). If that was a Town player and a pen was given against, I’d be livid at the Town player for having an arm across like that. VAR would give that. The thing is I'm not sure it would. I was amazed at some of the conclusions they came to at the World Cup, even though you'd think it would bring clarity, it didn't IMO
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Dec 2, 2018 15:14:48 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Dec 2, 2018 15:14:48 GMT 1
I missed the match because I was working, but I saw the pics of Mounié’s challenge and thought it looked nasty. When I saw actual footage, I thought surely that can’t be it? Soft as for a red. Yellow at best. That said, you don’t give a clown like Oliver the chance to send you off because he’ll take it. Penalty was a stonewaller. You can’t just bear hug a player and get away with it(well apparently you can). If that was a Town player and a pen was given against, I’d be livid at the Town player for having an arm across like that. VAR would give that. The thing is I'm not sure it would. I was amazed at some of the conclusions they came to at the World Cup, even though you'd think it would bring clarity, it didn't IMO The issue there wqs that it was different countries' refs seeing things differently. The handball in the final, for example, looked like a terrible decision to us, but most of the refs on the continent would have given it as they judge handball differently. If you have domestic VAR, all the refs should be looking at the incidents in very similar ways. They may not have overturned the red (clear and obvious and all that) but they would definitely have given a penalty.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 2, 2018 15:18:37 GMT 1
Not a red.
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Dec 2, 2018 15:29:00 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 2, 2018 15:29:00 GMT 1
I like to leave it for a time before posting on controversial decisions. Watching live, my thoughts on the two big decisions were: Penalty and yellow card. Having seen the incidents on TV, I now think the Pritchard incident is marginal. VAR would probably give a pen but it is 50:50 I believe. The sending off is as wrong as I thought it was. Oliver gave himself no thinking time and should have seen (as I did from a similar viewing angle directly behind the ref) that Mounié was pulling out of the challenge - I always say he lacks physicality and can’t remember him ever picking up a card. To qualify as a red card, it needs to be reckless and excessive and was neither of these. Oliver isn’t bent as some have suggested but needs to learn how to pick a genuinely bad foul from an over exertion. He could watch last week’s ref (Pawson?) from the Wolves game who let a lot go but seemed able to pick the bad fouls well.
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