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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 15:31:14 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 2, 2018 15:31:14 GMT 1
I missed the match because I was working, but I saw the pics of Mounié’s challenge and thought it looked nasty. When I saw actual footage, I thought surely that can’t be it? Soft as for a red. Yellow at best. That said, you don’t give a clown like Oliver the chance to send you off because he’ll take it. Penalty was a stonewaller. You can’t just bear hug a player and get away with it(well apparently you can). If that was a Town player and a pen was given against, I’d be livid at the Town player for having an arm across like that. VAR would give that. So Craig, how do the 'pundits' and Lineker say the opposite for BOTH. Why?, how does that work!!??.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 15:34:28 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 2, 2018 15:34:28 GMT 1
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Dec 2, 2018 15:35:32 GMT 1
I like to leave it for a time before posting on controversial decisions. Watching live, my thoughts on the two big decisions were: Penalty and yellow card. Having seen the incidents on TV, I now think the Pritchard incident is marginal. VAR would probably give a pen but it is 50:50 I believe. The sending off is as wrong as I thought it was. Oliver gave himself no thinking time and should have seen (as I did from a similar viewing angle directly behind the ref) that Mounié was pulling out of the challenge - I always say he lacks physicality and can’t remember him ever picking up a card. To qualify as a red card, it needs to be reckless and excessive and was neither of these. Oliver isn’t bent as some have suggested but needs to learn how to pick a genuinely bad foul from an over exertion. He could watch last week’s ref (Pawson?) from the Wolves game who let a lot go but seemed able to pick the bad fouls well. Last weeks ref was Kevin Friend.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 2, 2018 15:55:41 GMT 1
I like to leave it for a time before posting on controversial decisions. Watching live, my thoughts on the two big decisions were: Penalty and yellow card. Having seen the incidents on TV, I now think the Pritchard incident is marginal. VAR would probably give a pen but it is 50:50 I believe. The sending off is as wrong as I thought it was. Oliver gave himself no thinking time and should have seen (as I did from a similar viewing angle directly behind the ref) that Mounié was pulling out of the challenge - I always say he lacks physicality and can’t remember him ever picking up a card. To qualify as a red card, it needs to be reckless and excessive and was neither of these. Oliver isn’t bent as some have suggested but needs to learn how to pick a genuinely bad foul from an over exertion. He could watch last week’s ref (Pawson?) from the Wolves game who let a lot go but seemed able to pick the bad fouls well. Last weeks ref was Kevin Friend. Pawson would have pulled up every challenge last week, he was the prick that sent VLP off but only gave Sane a yellow when HE was the aggressor
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 16:02:36 GMT 1
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 2, 2018 16:02:36 GMT 1
I missed the match because I was working, but I saw the pics of Mounié’s challenge and thought it looked nasty. When I saw actual footage, I thought surely that can’t be it? Soft as for a red. Yellow at best. That said, you don’t give a clown like Oliver the chance to send you off because he’ll take it. Penalty was a stonewaller. You can’t just bear hug a player and get away with it(well apparently you can). If that was a Town player and a pen was given against, I’d be livid at the Town player for having an arm across like that. VAR would give that. So Craig, how do the 'pundits' and Lineker say the opposite for BOTH. Why?, how does that work!!??. All I can say is that everyone has an opinion and standards. Opinions and standards are influenced by experience, in Linekar’s case, a Spurs top.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 16:03:23 GMT 1
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Post by WirralTerrier on Dec 2, 2018 16:03:23 GMT 1
Not sure that was a penalty to spurs. Bloody refs always favouring the big teams.
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Post by Town Duppy on Dec 2, 2018 16:04:13 GMT 1
Not sure that was a penalty to spurs. Bloody refs always favouring the big teams. Calm down wirral.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 16:05:12 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 2, 2018 16:05:12 GMT 1
So Craig, how do the 'pundits' and Lineker say the opposite for BOTH. Why?, how does that work!!??. All I can say is that everyone has an opinion and standards. Opinions and standards are influenced by experience, in Linekar’s case, a Spurs top. It's just not right though is it?. It really isn't. I am sure pundits like Prutton and Danny Higgenbotham (not old Pals act Cretins like Lineker and his cronies) would not have called it the same.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Dec 2, 2018 16:06:02 GMT 1
Not sure that was a penalty to spurs. Bloody refs always favouring the big teams. Calm down wirral. Just annoying isn't it how they never favour us smaller teams like Town, Cardiff and Arsenal
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 16:07:18 GMT 1
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Post by space hardware on Dec 2, 2018 16:07:18 GMT 1
Not sure that was a penalty to spurs. Bloody refs always favouring the big teams. are you about? Are you on glue?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:24:52 GMT 1
Because the prem is so corrupt and covered up. Course it is. They don't want clubs like town, Cardiff and Burnley etc in the prem. I can't wait until VAR is brought in next season, if we are still in the prem it will help us out massively, there's no wonder all the big clubs are against it, it's like a previous poster posted if their wasn't goal line technology wolves would have been given that no goal last weekend. Look at some of the pens given through VAR at the world cup. With VAR we'd have had a penalty today. MoTD pundits watched over and over and said it wasn't one. It seems perfectly possible to me that they could review it and still not give it. The what?
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 17:00:24 GMT 1
Post by 4 pts on Dec 2, 2018 17:00:24 GMT 1
Course it is. They don't want clubs like town, Cardiff and Burnley etc in the prem. I can't wait until VAR is brought in next season, if we are still in the prem it will help us out massively, there's no wonder all the big clubs are against it, it's like a previous poster posted if their wasn't goal line technology wolves would have been given that no goal last weekend. Look at some of the pens given through VAR at the world cup. With VAR we'd have had a penalty today. MoTD pundits watched over and over and said it wasn't one. It seems perfectly possible to me that they could review it and still not give it. The what? They could also watch Kane commit the same tackle as Mounie with x10 force put behind it and state it wasn't even a yellow. The same could be said with Oliver. It depends on who you are and which team you play for, as stated above
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 17:09:51 GMT 1
Post by jonny5 on Dec 2, 2018 17:09:51 GMT 1
For me, I totally understand the red card - I don't think it was a red but I can see why he sent him off, it was a pathetic challenge, just a little toe poke but it was high. There is no defence for the pen, any other team gets that...why don't commentators/pundits listen to themselves, some times it's "it was soft but there was contact so a pen", then last night "not sure how much it was him being pulled back, even though the arm was round his neck, or if it was him throwing himself to the ground". Pathetic refereeing all game though....we have not had any of those game changing decisions go our way all season, not sure it'll even itself out at all. However, I also don't think Balogun's was a sending off either, yellow all day long for me. Sensible post for me, I don’t think it was red for Mounie but I can see why he’s sent him off, the side angle is the key, the view Oliver didn’t have, you can see there isn’t much contact and he’s tried to pull out but Oliver has to go on what he sees and it’s high and the studs are showing, the rule book says red card. The other potential red card is only a yellow, the penalty should have been given IMO but it is one of those where some you get and some you dont. The interesting bit of this will be if Town appeal the red card after reviewing it. Oliver will still stand by his decision.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 19:03:36 GMT 1
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Post by softboy on Dec 2, 2018 19:03:36 GMT 1
I understand he is doing the Specsavers Christmas advert - more appropriate to give him the VIPoo adver instead
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 2, 2018 21:56:12 GMT 1
Course it is. They don't want clubs like town, Cardiff and Burnley etc in the prem. I can't wait until VAR is brought in next season, if we are still in the prem it will help us out massively, there's no wonder all the big clubs are against it, it's like a previous poster posted if their wasn't goal line technology wolves would have been given that no goal last weekend. Look at some of the pens given through VAR at the world cup. With VAR we'd have had a penalty today. MoTD pundits watched over and over and said it wasn't one. It seems perfectly possible to me that they could review it and still not give it. The what? The Refs federation is like an old boys club - VAR will be mainly used to try and find the slightest reason to back up any dodgy decisions made by the on field ref they will have each others back, they won't want the video ref to overrule them when they are on the pitch and not in the booth. An example of this is the slight deflection off Milner's thigh in the Liverpool game, even though the arm was clearly moving to illegally block the ball and successfully did after the deflection which in most of the pundits and every ref watch's view made it accidental. Though we all know if it was Hogg's arm in the other box it would have been a stonewall penalty.
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Oliver
Dec 2, 2018 22:26:04 GMT 1
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Post by softboy on Dec 2, 2018 22:26:04 GMT 1
VAR is a process that allows another official to change a decision - its not like goaline technology that says its a goal or not (like at Wolves last week). So will help the top clubs get the marginal decisions. For example if we get a clear penalty at Arsenal next week VAR couldbe used to overule the penalty - when in place - its will simply be used to make sure the top clubs get decisions in their favour
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 3, 2018 4:59:21 GMT 1
One things for sure, the next time Oliver is selected to officiate at the John Smiths.
There will be more to watch and review than simply the match.
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Oliver
Dec 3, 2018 9:39:04 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 3, 2018 9:39:04 GMT 1
MoTD pundits watched over and over and said it wasn't one. It seems perfectly possible to me that they could review it and still not give it. The what? The Refs federation is like an old boys club - VAR will be mainly used to try and find the slightest reason to back up any dodgy decisions made by the on field ref they will have each others back, they won't want the video ref to overrule them when they are on the pitch and not in the booth. An example of this is the slight deflection off Milner's thigh in the Liverpool game, even though the arm was clearly moving to illegally block the ball and successfully did after the deflection which in most of the pundits and every ref watch's view made it accidental. Though we all know if it was Hogg's arm in the other box it would have been a stonewall penalty. Yep, also agree with Softboy... The issue with PL refs is that with all the hype (& £m's) that surrounds this league, it means they've become accustomed to being in the spotlight and start to believe their own importance. They forget they're there to provide an impartial and consistent overseeing of the game and enforce the rules. Refs in Rugby (both codes) don't have an issue with VAR, they probably welcome it. Those Refs are also quite familiar with the players as well, but the massive difference comes down to respect. Rugby players know it's a B&W game and dissent will have an instant impact on field position or keeping all their players on the pitch. These are Refs who are controlling games with giants in it who are always 30 secs away from lamping an opponent, yet those players 90 odd percent ALWAYS respect the Ref and the VAR decision and get on with the game. Back to the PL and you have Refs that stand by and allow players to mouth off to the Ref, to walk away from them when being called over and just generally act like petulant children. Those players then get a mild telling off in most cases. VAR will become the norm and become less subjective over time, but it's got far more challenges than Rugby and other Sports with its normalisation. I always had mixed feelings about the PL as it's a league that is ridiculously imbalanced. It's not a competition, it's a corporate business. I've not changed my views all the time I've been here, but would obviously love to stay here a bit longer. You can now really understand why many teams like ours are actually quite grateful to be away from it, even if only for a break. Until the PL starts operating on a level playing field and has Refs that do their job truly impartially and without the cajoling of Refs that the bigger clubs are a dab hand it, VAR will just become another talking point for the media. This post is in no way linked to Brighton either. We should recognise they're a club much like ours, they just got the rub on Sat, when they're up against bigger clubs I imagine they'll be shat on like 70% of clubs are in this league...
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Post by terrier70 on Dec 3, 2018 11:24:08 GMT 1
Have a go at the ref you going to blame them for every loss, not the teams fault. Their human make mistakes now and then like we all do. Talk about clueless, it was the ref that relegated us. You do know football is a sport played by teams not refs. You couldnt make up some of the twaddle and I am not a Lxxds U fan before only I should have an opinion bores start their whining. Thank you Michael, why did you not give us the penalty on Saturday?
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Oliver
Dec 3, 2018 12:37:37 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 3, 2018 12:37:37 GMT 1
He's not a human being, he's a toad. Cowardly performance on Saturday.
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Post by kennyk2 on Dec 3, 2018 12:58:45 GMT 1
Not sure that was a penalty to spurs. Bloody refs always favouring the big teams. are you about? Are you on glue? Just a form of Wumism, I'm afraid.
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Post by Armchair Pundit on Dec 3, 2018 14:00:33 GMT 1
I will take my rose tinted glasses off and review the 3 main decisions.
1. Mounie challenge. (correct decision)
It was high, it was late. I can see why he gave a red, as oliver intepreted it as serious foul play. "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play"
But most refs would have given it a dozen or so seconds longer, and taken their time before (probably) giving a yellow. I can accept his decision, if Oliver keeps this standard throughout the game... (see 3)
2.Penalty appeal. (Wrong Decision) The Brighton Defender had his arm around Pritchard. The laws of the game say that a direct free kick should be given when a player... "holds an opponent impedes an opponent with contact"
So its clear that he should have given a Penalty as their defender is hugging him to the ground in a rugby type tackle. I dont get why pundits say that it looked like he went down too easily. Thats only a matter of opinion, and opinions are not written into the rules. The rules clearly say if there is holding or impeding with contact then its a foul.
As Pritchard wasnt going towards the goal and there wasnt a clear goal scoring opportunity, it would not have been a red card, only a yellow.
Balogun Tackle on Durm (Wrong decision).
As I said above, Oliver has set a standard by sending Mounie off. You would think that every late challenge with studs into a player would also be a Red. The worse tackle was that of Balogun, AND Oliver had a much better view of it. Reckless tackle with studs into the ankle. He got this wrong.
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Oliver
Dec 3, 2018 14:07:00 GMT 1
Post by space hardware on Dec 3, 2018 14:07:00 GMT 1
I will take my rose tinted glasses off and review the 3 main decisions. 1. Mounie challenge. (correct decision) It was high, it was late. I can see why he gave a red, as oliver intepreted it as serious foul play. "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play" But most refs would have given it a dozen or so seconds longer, and taken their time before (probably) giving a yellow. I can accept his decision, if Oliver keeps this standard throughout the game... (see 3) 2.Penalty appeal. (Wrong Decision) The Brighton Defender had his arm around Pritchard. The laws of the game say that a direct free kick should be given when a player... "holds an opponent impedes an opponent with contact" So its clear that he should have given a Penalty as their defender is hugging him to the ground in a rugby type tackle. I dont get why pundits say that it looked like he went down too easily. Thats only a matter of opinion, and opinions are not written into the rules. The rules clearly say if there is holding or impeding with contact then its a foul. As Pritchard wasnt going towards the goal and there wasnt a clear goal scoring opportunity, it would not have been a red card, only a yellow. Balogun Tackle on Durm (Wrong decision). As I said above, Oliver has set a standard by sending Mounie off. You would think that every late challenge with studs into a player would also be a Red. The worse tackle was that of Balogun, AND Oliver had a much better view of it. Reckless tackle with studs into the ankle. He got this wrong. Can't argue with any of that.
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Oliver
Dec 3, 2018 14:17:17 GMT 1
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 3, 2018 14:17:17 GMT 1
I will take my rose tinted glasses off and review the 3 main decisions. 1. Mounie challenge. (correct decision) It was high, it was late. I can see why he gave a red, as oliver intepreted it as serious foul play. "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play" But most refs would have given it a dozen or so seconds longer, and taken their time before (probably) giving a yellow. I can accept his decision, if Oliver keeps this standard throughout the game... (see 3) 2.Penalty appeal. (Wrong Decision) The Brighton Defender had his arm around Pritchard. The laws of the game say that a direct free kick should be given when a player... "holds an opponent impedes an opponent with contact" So its clear that he should have given a Penalty as their defender is hugging him to the ground in a rugby type tackle. I dont get why pundits say that it looked like he went down too easily. Thats only a matter of opinion, and opinions are not written into the rules. The rules clearly say if there is holding or impeding with contact then its a foul. As Pritchard wasnt going towards the goal and there wasnt a clear goal scoring opportunity, it would not have been a red card, only a yellow. Balogun Tackle on Durm (Wrong decision). As I said above, Oliver has set a standard by sending Mounie off. You would think that every late challenge with studs into a player would also be a Red. The worse tackle was that of Balogun, AND Oliver had a much better view of it. Reckless tackle with studs into the ankle. He got this wrong. Can't argue with any of that. “Experts” that are on the sky sports or BBC payroll can and have
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Oliver
Dec 3, 2018 14:22:52 GMT 1
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Dec 3, 2018 14:22:52 GMT 1
Wagner confirms that we have appealed the red card, don't hold your breath, can't see the FA recinding it.
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Oliver
Dec 3, 2018 14:26:53 GMT 1
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Post by Cosmo Kramer on Dec 3, 2018 14:26:53 GMT 1
I will take my rose tinted glasses off and review the 3 main decisions. 1. Mounie challenge. (correct decision) It was high, it was late. I can see why he gave a red, as oliver intepreted it as serious foul play. "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play" But most refs would have given it a dozen or so seconds longer, and taken their time before (probably) giving a yellow. I can accept his decision, if Oliver keeps this standard throughout the game... (see 3) 2.Penalty appeal. (Wrong Decision) The Brighton Defender had his arm around Pritchard. The laws of the game say that a direct free kick should be given when a player... "holds an opponent impedes an opponent with contact" So its clear that he should have given a Penalty as their defender is hugging him to the ground in a rugby type tackle. I dont get why pundits say that it looked like he went down too easily. Thats only a matter of opinion, and opinions are not written into the rules. The rules clearly say if there is holding or impeding with contact then its a foul. As Pritchard wasnt going towards the goal and there wasnt a clear goal scoring opportunity, it would not have been a red card, only a yellow. Balogun Tackle on Durm (Wrong decision). As I said above, Oliver has set a standard by sending Mounie off. You would think that every late challenge with studs into a player would also be a Red. The worse tackle was that of Balogun, AND Oliver had a much better view of it. Reckless tackle with studs into the ankle. He got this wrong. I get your reasoning, but i’d have to disagree with how you’ve interpeted the red and say there’s no way Mounie used excessive or brutal force in his challange. Balogun on the other hand...
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Oliver
Dec 4, 2018 7:10:54 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 4, 2018 7:10:54 GMT 1
As a Newcastle fan I don't think he should be allowed to referee our games. I remember a couple of year ago when Newcastle fans kicked up a stink when one of the Madley brothers refd one of their games.
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Oliver
Dec 4, 2018 8:21:02 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 4, 2018 8:21:02 GMT 1
One of best villans ever..... Bill Sykes.
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Oliver
Dec 4, 2018 9:43:58 GMT 1
Post by terrier70 on Dec 4, 2018 9:43:58 GMT 1
Reckon he has not done any Xmas shopping and was hoping for a couple of Saturdays off, given Saturday, he should be given every Saturday off!
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Oliver
Dec 4, 2018 9:59:32 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 4, 2018 9:59:32 GMT 1
Michael Oliver makes Darren Deadman look like Collina.
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