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Oliver
Dec 4, 2018 18:23:21 GMT 1
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Post by Armchair Pundit on Dec 4, 2018 18:23:21 GMT 1
I will take my rose tinted glasses off and review the 3 main decisions. 1. Mounie challenge. (correct decision) It was high, it was late. I can see why he gave a red, as oliver intepreted it as serious foul play. "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play" But most refs would have given it a dozen or so seconds longer, and taken their time before (probably) giving a yellow. I can accept his decision, if Oliver keeps this standard throughout the game... (see 3) 2.Penalty appeal. (Wrong Decision) The Brighton Defender had his arm around Pritchard. The laws of the game say that a direct free kick should be given when a player... "holds an opponent impedes an opponent with contact" So its clear that he should have given a Penalty as their defender is hugging him to the ground in a rugby type tackle. I dont get why pundits say that it looked like he went down too easily. Thats only a matter of opinion, and opinions are not written into the rules. The rules clearly say if there is holding or impeding with contact then its a foul. As Pritchard wasnt going towards the goal and there wasnt a clear goal scoring opportunity, it would not have been a red card, only a yellow. Balogun Tackle on Durm (Wrong decision). As I said above, Oliver has set a standard by sending Mounie off. You would think that every late challenge with studs into a player would also be a Red. The worse tackle was that of Balogun, AND Oliver had a much better view of it. Reckless tackle with studs into the ankle. He got this wrong. I get your reasoning, but i’d have to disagree with how you’ve interpeted the red and say there’s no way Mounie used excessive or brutal force in his challange. Balogun on the other hand... I think most people would agree that it isn’t excessive or brutal, including myself. Most refs would give a Yellow for a reckless tackle. However. What I am saying is I can understand how Oliver gave the card. It is a decision for the ref. And under thhe laws. He interpreted it as excessive or brutal. Then it’s a red card and correct decision.
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Oliver
Dec 4, 2018 18:45:14 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 18:45:14 GMT 1
I get your reasoning, but i’d have to disagree with how you’ve interpeted the red and say there’s no way Mounie used excessive or brutal force in his challange. Balogun on the other hand... I think most people would agree that it isn’t excessive or brutal, including myself. Most refs would give a Yellow for a reckless tackle. However. What I am saying is I can understand how Oliver gave the card. It is a decision for the ref. And under thhe laws. He interpreted it as excessive or brutal. Then it’s a red card and correct decision. I agree with you tbh. The thing that gets me is we don't seem to get ANY controversial or 50/50 decisions in our favour. The Billing one for example is clear technology, if they didn't have it a goal would have been given for sure.
Can anyone remember the last meaningful dodgy penalty in our favour or match changing opposition sending off?
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Post by huddersfc on Dec 4, 2018 19:25:10 GMT 1
After watching it live and then the replay after the game, I have only just about calmed down enough to post a reasonable comment. I just cant understand anyone thinking it was a red card. The moment I saw the tackle live before the red was pulled out I said something along the lines of "ffs Mounie dont pull out of tackles" and I havnt seen any replay that doesnt show him lazily pull away from the tackle. If you go with all the buzz words you use for tackles worthy of a red card, I cant find one that is applicable. Mounie makes contact with him with his toe which is never going to injure a player. The studs are never raised, he is ALWAYS in control because he doesnt dive in, its not reckless as he doesnt make any stamping motion or attempt to scrape down the shin. There was no excessive force as he was pulling out. It was barely late as he only just missed the ball. The only argument it has going for it is the fact it is high, but that doesnt make it a red card. There has to be some other element with the "high" foot to make it a sending off. I would have been surprised had it been given a yellow card given tackles you see week in week out.
I knew it wouldnt be overturned because the FA couldnt be seen to be disagreeing with one of their own, but for once it would be nice to see a ref with some bottle, admit it was wrong, because if I had sent a player off for that and watched it afterwards, I would be embarassed I had given a red for that. I would hope that we have put in a complaint to the FA and sent them footage of some of the decisions this season that have gone against us, and pointed out that Oliver has hand a hand in a fair few of them. The Watford game last season with the Hogg red, showed he was either incompetent or trying to even up the earlier red he gave to Deeney. Since then its just continued. It would be better to get in a load of foreign refs who would be prepared to ref it as they see it with no chips on their shoulders, no craving to be the centre of attention and no real knowledge of our english game.
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Post by terrier70 on Dec 4, 2018 19:28:10 GMT 1
After watching it live and then the replay after the game, I have only just about calmed down enough to post a reasonable comment. I just cant understand anyone thinking it was a red card. The moment I saw the tackle live before the red was pulled out I said something along the lines of "ffs Mounie dont pull out of tackles" and I havnt seen any replay that doesnt show him lazily pull away from the tackle. If you go with all the buzz words you use for tackles worthy of a red card, I cant find one that is applicable. Mounie makes contact with him with his toe which is never going to injure a player. The studs are never raised, he is ALWAYS in control because he doesnt dive in, its not reckless as he doesnt make any stamping motion or attempt to scrape down the shin. There was no excessive force as he was pulling out. It was barely late as he only just missed the ball. The only argument it has going for it is the fact it is high, but that doesnt make it a red card. There has to be some other element with the "high" foot to make it a sending off. I would have been surprised had it been given a yellow card given tackles you see week in week out. I knew it wouldnt be overturned because the FA couldnt be seen to be disagreeing with one of their own, but for once it would be nice to see a ref with some bottle, admit it was wrong, because if I had sent a player off for that and watched it afterwards, I would be embarassed I had given a red for that. I would hope that we have put in a complaint to the FA and sent them footage of some of the decisions this season that have gone against us, and pointed out that Oliver has hand a hand in a fair few of them. The Watford game last season with the Hogg red, showed he was either incompetent or trying to even up the earlier red he gave to Deeney. Since then its just continued. It would be better to get in a load of foreign refs who would be prepared to ref it as they see it with no chips on their shoulders, no craving to be the centre of attention and no real knowledge of our english game. Can you tell me what you have done or taken to calm down cos I am still seething about it Totally 1000% agree about foreign refs. Best league in the world but sadly the same cannot be said of the officials There was a reason no English officials were at the World Cup!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 19:41:52 GMT 1
After watching it live and then the replay after the game, I have only just about calmed down enough to post a reasonable comment. I just cant understand anyone thinking it was a red card. The moment I saw the tackle live before the red was pulled out I said something along the lines of "ffs Mounie dont pull out of tackles" and I havnt seen any replay that doesnt show him lazily pull away from the tackle. If you go with all the buzz words you use for tackles worthy of a red card, I cant find one that is applicable. Mounie makes contact with him with his toe which is never going to injure a player. The studs are never raised, he is ALWAYS in control because he doesnt dive in, its not reckless as he doesnt make any stamping motion or attempt to scrape down the shin. There was no excessive force as he was pulling out. It was barely late as he only just missed the ball. The only argument it has going for it is the fact it is high, but that doesnt make it a red card. There has to be some other element with the "high" foot to make it a sending off. I would have been surprised had it been given a yellow card given tackles you see week in week out. I knew it wouldnt be overturned because the FA couldnt be seen to be disagreeing with one of their own, but for once it would be nice to see a ref with some bottle, admit it was wrong, because if I had sent a player off for that and watched it afterwards, I would be embarassed I had given a red for that. I would hope that we have put in a complaint to the FA and sent them footage of some of the decisions this season that have gone against us, and pointed out that Oliver has hand a hand in a fair few of them. The Watford game last season with the Hogg red, showed he was either incompetent or trying to even up the earlier red he gave to Deeney. Since then its just continued. It would be better to get in a load of foreign refs who would be prepared to ref it as they see it with no chips on their shoulders, no craving to be the centre of attention and no real knowledge of our english game. Your assessment of the Mounie red card is absolutely spot on. A nonsense red in every aspect. I too would have been embarrassed if I had interpreted that as a red but Michael Oliver does not operate like that. He enjoyed it; he thrived upon it; he puffed out his pigeon chest and breathed the whole controversy in. For him, that moment and the subsequent penalty decision debacle are his very reasons for living. He knows that the PL will back him up whenever he screws up and that makes him a totally flawed individual. In his stupid, arrogant brain, he is THE referee and one of the most important elements of the PL.
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Oliver
Dec 8, 2018 18:35:14 GMT 1
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Post by Jack on Dec 8, 2018 18:35:14 GMT 1
Can't blame the ref today.
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Post by est1908 on Dec 8, 2018 18:36:35 GMT 1
Can't blame the ref today. Nobody is...
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 8, 2018 18:44:22 GMT 1
Oliver should watch today’s performance on how to ref a match. Officials were good today, they didn’t fall for any of Arsenal’s shit.
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Post by 65terrier on Dec 8, 2018 18:48:35 GMT 1
Oliver should watch today’s performance on how to ref a match. Officials were good today, they didn’t fall for any of Arsenal’s shit. He is too busy being the most important person in the Chelsea v Man City game.
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Oliver
Dec 8, 2018 19:56:25 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 19:56:25 GMT 1
Oliver should watch today’s performance on how to ref a match. Officials were good today, they didn’t fall for any of Arsenal’s shit. He is too busy being the most important person in the Chelsea v Man City game. How is the walker doing in that game? He will be in his element with the acquired extreme wealth clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 21:17:01 GMT 1
no doubt chatting to the players like they are his mates, caling them by nicknames, winking and joking.
The players will go along with him, but behind his back they will laugh and think he is a c***
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Oliver
Dec 8, 2018 22:56:17 GMT 1
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Post by Jack on Dec 8, 2018 22:56:17 GMT 1
He is too busy being the most important person in the Chelsea v Man City game. How is the walker doing in that game? He will be in his element with the acquired extreme wealth clubs. Kyle? Didn't have the best game. Probably at fault for the first goal. Might lose his place to Danilo.
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Dec 8, 2018 23:16:51 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 23:16:51 GMT 1
How is the walker doing in that game? He will be in his element with the acquired extreme wealth clubs. Kyle? Didn't have the best game. Probably at fault for the first goal. Might lose his place to Danilo. Wanker. Not you, you are alright. I meant to say 'the wanker' but wanky predictive text took over.
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Post by loumacari on Dec 9, 2018 0:56:12 GMT 1
Just seeing his face again made me angry.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 9, 2018 9:38:08 GMT 1
Did he book anyone in the Chelsea city game... None after 65 mins last I saw.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 9, 2018 9:43:30 GMT 1
Did he book anyone in the Chelsea city game... None after 65 mins last I saw. Just took a few autographs...
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Oliver
Dec 9, 2018 12:08:15 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2018 12:08:15 GMT 1
He probably will get a big game now - seems to like it doesn't matter what the high profile refs do they get away with punishment. Especially because it was against little Huddersfield. Bet he'll get the Chelsea v City game next weekend. Called it. Message to referees: It doesn't matter how shit you were, so long as it doesn't affect the big teams we'll reward you.
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Oliver
Dec 17, 2018 3:13:28 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 17, 2018 3:13:28 GMT 1
I can't help thinking what might have been as we headed in to an important few matches starting with Brighton at home. We were it seemed on the up with a bit of momentum and importantly confidence. A belief we can win matches.
How much has this little c*** cost us?.
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Oliver
Dec 17, 2018 7:39:18 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 17, 2018 7:39:18 GMT 1
I can't help thinking what might have been as we headed in to an important few matches starting with Brighton at home. We were it seemed on the up with a bit of momentum and importantly confidence. A belief we can win matches. How much has this little c*** cost us?. Yes he's a twat and it's easy to blame him but we weren't playing well even before the red card in that game. Who knows what the outcome would have been And our performance with 10 men was awful. We made no attempt to keep the ball and just constantly gave it back to them to attack us for 60 minutes. Going down to 10 men doesn't automatically mean defeat, you see plenty of sides struggle against ten men (us being one of them usually) but we made it far too easy for them. Look at Brighton 3 days later, went down to ten men when leading 1-0 and won 3-1
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Oliver
Dec 17, 2018 7:45:52 GMT 1
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Post by thomo on Dec 17, 2018 7:45:52 GMT 1
I can't help thinking what might have been as we headed in to an important few matches starting with Brighton at home. We were it seemed on the up with a bit of momentum and importantly confidence. A belief we can win matches. How much has this little c*** cost us?. I’m not sure we’d have won the Brighton game even with eleven men as we were poor after opening the scoring but think we would have got a point. Losing Mounié has cost us more. He looked more confident that day. I’m sure he would have had more impact than LDP these last 3 games. Might have bagged a couple had the same chances come his way.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 17, 2018 7:52:03 GMT 1
I can't help thinking what might have been as we headed in to an important few matches starting with Brighton at home. We were it seemed on the up with a bit of momentum and importantly confidence. A belief we can win matches. How much has this little c*** cost us?. I said to a few of my pals in jersey yesterday that I honestly felt Mounie sending off and the result has caused us a lot more harm than just 3 points lost.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 17, 2018 7:54:00 GMT 1
Brighton offered nothing until we had Mounie sent off... It was comfortable imo.
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 17, 2018 8:10:09 GMT 1
I can't help thinking what might have been as we headed in to an important few matches starting with Brighton at home. We were it seemed on the up with a bit of momentum and importantly confidence. A belief we can win matches. How much has this little c*** cost us?. I said to a few of my pals in jersey yesterday that I honestly felt Mounie sending off and the result has caused us a lot more harm than just 3 points lost. It’s this that worries me. Mooy worried me against bournmuff when he lost his cool. It’s like the decisions that clearly go against us had started to wind up the players and get to them. All the hard work and persistence and belief had looked like it was starting to pay off with the win against wolves. Then that truly fantastic first minute goal against the shitehawks and we looked like everything Wagner was believing in was working until the red card then since then we’ve reverted back to before Fulham. That toppled with our injuries jinx must be getting to the players. Too many things are going against us at the mo we desperately need the win against the scummers sat.
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Oliver
Dec 17, 2018 11:45:09 GMT 1
Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 17, 2018 11:45:09 GMT 1
Mounie does give us a better option than LDP, I definitely think defenders are more aware, whereas with LDP they know at the moment his confidence is shot & therefore they don't have to do a great deal to make him miss an opportunity.
Which is why I'm glad that Mounie should be returning on Sat...
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Oliver
Dec 17, 2018 11:56:34 GMT 1
Post by H7 on Dec 17, 2018 11:56:34 GMT 1
I can't help thinking what might have been as we headed in to an important few matches starting with Brighton at home. We were it seemed on the up with a bit of momentum and importantly confidence. A belief we can win matches. How much has this little c*** cost us?. There's no doubt that we were comfortable in the game until the sending off. Based on that you have to say we would have won or achieved a point at the very least. If we take Mounie into that Bournemouth performance I fail to see how he wouldn't have buried at least one of LDP chances - especially the free header 8 yards out in the first half, that's Mounie's bread and butter. Say we get a point there which is the least we deserved. Arsenal away, not sure Mounie would have affected that game but certainly would have been a better out ball. Newcastle at home, again difficult to see how differently the game would have gone but I'm sure he would have at least tried to connect to some of the decent crosses we put in. In the Brighton and B'mouth matches alone that decision has more than likely (nothing is certain) cost us 4-6 points which puts us between 14-16th towards the top of the relegation mini-league. Fine, fine margins.
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Oliver
Dec 17, 2018 13:38:57 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Dec 17, 2018 13:38:57 GMT 1
I can't help thinking what might have been as we headed in to an important few matches starting with Brighton at home. We were it seemed on the up with a bit of momentum and importantly confidence. A belief we can win matches. How much has this little c*** cost us?. There's no doubt that we were comfortable in the game until the sending off. Based on that you have to say we would have won or achieved a point at the very least. If we take Mounie into that Bournemouth performance I fail to see how he wouldn't have buried at least one of LDP chances - especially the free header 8 yards out in the first half, that's Mounie's bread and butter. Say we get a point there which is the least we deserved. Arsenal away, not sure Mounie would have affected that game but certainly would have been a better out ball. Newcastle at home, again difficult to see how differently the game would have gone but I'm sure he would have at least tried to connect to some of the decent crosses we put in. In the Brighton and B'mouth matches alone that decision has more than likely (nothing is certain) cost us 4-6 points which puts us between 14-16th towards the top of the relegation mini-league. Fine, fine margins. Sorry but the comment on Mounie burying chances is rubbish. He has had 3 very similar chances this year to the Bournemouth one and has missed every one. He has missed just as many, if not more, chances and sitters as Depoitre. He is offering us more during games, however, but not in front of goal.
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Oliver
Dec 23, 2018 10:16:54 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 23, 2018 10:16:54 GMT 1
Gave two pens today in the Cardiff - Man Utd match
Neither as clear cut as when Milner practically caught the ball which oliver didn’t see as a pen!
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Oliver
Dec 31, 2018 17:17:47 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 31, 2018 17:17:47 GMT 1
4th official for tomorrow's game.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 31, 2018 17:20:59 GMT 1
Gave two pens today in the Cardiff - Man Utd match Neither as clear cut as when Milner practically caught the ball which oliver didn’t see as a pen! Also couldn't wait to give Liverpool two soft as newborn baby shit penalties the other night against Arsenal, neither of which were as blatant as the Pritchard foul that he inexplicably missed in the Brighton game.
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Oliver
Dec 31, 2018 17:31:30 GMT 1
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Post by specialun on Dec 31, 2018 17:31:30 GMT 1
4th official for tomorrow's game. Are the Premier League taking the p1ss? He can’t possibly be involved in another game?! I wish I was the tea lady
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