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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 9:41:23 GMT 1
Give over....there isn’t a team in England that has had a worse run of results than us over the last 12 months. It’s not temporary bad form...it’s how things are. But all teams are not equal We were favourites to be bottom of our league last season and second favourites to be bottom this season so of course we’ll come near the bottom of that stat Does anyone expect we’d be mid table? Here’s another stat 72 teams sit below us in the league ladder presently and last season only 15 teams were better than us in the country I’ve not enjoyed the results - who would - but equally I’m realistic enough to understand we’re up against it at this level ... and it will always be the case if we play at this level. Assuming we go down I would expect us to be challenging next year and I think we will - if not I’d fully agree get rid. Similarly if Wagner doesn’t commit for next season then I don’t see the point in not changing things (providing there’s the right man able to step in either now or pre contract starting in the summer) People will say look at Bristol but you’re talking a side unbeaten in 8 versus one who haven’t won in 8 in a one off match. We opened them up 4 times and then gave a sloppy goal away - and that’s without the players I expect will leave (mooy, billing, kongolo, Schindler). If that’s us at our worse and the championships form team we should go okay next season Fair opinion. My annoyance at the moment is based mainly on a belief that we would be nowhere close to challenging the top six of the Championship. Reading, second bottom of the Championship, looked a much more organised team with greater attacking invention than we have and greater quality on the ball pretty much throughout their XI when playing Man U yesterday. I suspect those expecting us to become some kind of yo-yo club are going to be disappointed. It was a fluke of time and things coming together that we got promoted, that fluke won’t happen again.
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Post by johnr on Jan 6, 2019 9:45:26 GMT 1
The ability of some fans to belittle and undermine every achievement knows no bounds... Another one beyond reason. We’ve been returning rubbish results for a year, not a month. It’s an indisputable fact. Other person was using THREE not really that impressive results from two months ago to attempt to suggest that we’re in some kind of temporary blip and that losing is not “the way things are”. This kind of attitude is the reason we are where we are....we’ve not moved forward and we’ve not forced that. Why are we belittling our achievements because we are highlighting Wagner's long term inability to get us to score ? Its been all his reign FFS.That we highlight that and how its hurting the club,that doesn't mean we belittle our achievements,and you know it.Same as people talk abut us bringing disunity.We dont. Its those whove just let the club slide again done nothing about it that cause the problem cos they will argue with us and use fake points anything to stand by the manager whos causing these probs to the club, and that we do what we do because we put the club first obviously were going to come to arguments about it with people doing nothing,but at least please stick to arguments that are valid please rather than making up reasons why were the ones in the wrong.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 9:55:24 GMT 1
But all teams are not equal We were favourites to be bottom of our league last season and second favourites to be bottom this season so of course we’ll come near the bottom of that stat Does anyone expect we’d be mid table? Here’s another stat 72 teams sit below us in the league ladder presently and last season only 15 teams were better than us in the country I’ve not enjoyed the results - who would - but equally I’m realistic enough to understand we’re up against it at this level ... and it will always be the case if we play at this level. Assuming we go down I would expect us to be challenging next year and I think we will - if not I’d fully agree get rid. Similarly if Wagner doesn’t commit for next season then I don’t see the point in not changing things (providing there’s the right man able to step in either now or pre contract starting in the summer) People will say look at Bristol but you’re talking a side unbeaten in 8 versus one who haven’t won in 8 in a one off match. We opened them up 4 times and then gave a sloppy goal away - and that’s without the players I expect will leave (mooy, billing, kongolo, Schindler). If that’s us at our worse and the championships form team we should go okay next season Fair opinion. My annoyance at the moment is based mainly on a belief that we would be nowhere close to challenging the top six of the Championship. Reading, second bottom of the Championship, looked a much more organised team with greater attacking invention than we have and greater quality on the ball pretty much throughout their XI when playing Man U yesterday. I suspect those expecting us to become some kind of yo-yo club are going to be disappointed. It was a fluke of time and things coming together that we got promoted, that fluke won’t happen again. I agree it’s no given bouncing back - it’s a bloody hard league and sides like villa with a £100m wage bill are still stuck in it My point of view is that Wagner represents our best hope of bouncing back It’s a game of opinions though and I understand yours. I just see it differently on this one
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 6, 2019 10:00:44 GMT 1
Fucking depressing this board is now. I'm going to try and leave it alone until Sat because it will be like groundhog day on here.
The club are doing all they can in an operating environment that's alien to us and also a little alien to our principles as a well run club.
If staying in the PL is the single goal of many and their solution to do that is by spending £m's more on players that's funded by selling out to a foreign owner who can invest hundreds of £m's instead of the scores of £m's DH has. Then I'm afraid a lot of those people have been sucked in by the Premier League plc and are unwittingly showing more loyalty to that than they are the club... The PL as an entity and how it operates is not in the interests of 80+ clubs in the pro leagues, we are one of those 80+. There are no more than a dozen clubs that Scudamore and his ilk would have happily cherry picked yrs ago if they could have...
DH has given loads back to the fans since he's been here which he didn't have to. Even in the PL he could have made season tickets double the price, or even half their current price and it wouldn't make a jot of difference to which players we bought.
I want to stay in the PL but don't want the club to sacrifice it's soul to do so & become another club that's just competing in a pissing contest with other super rich owners. I'd rather we do it with merit and respect...
Good luck this week folks, it won't be pretty on here if the last few days are anything to go by...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 10:08:38 GMT 1
Fair opinion. My annoyance at the moment is based mainly on a belief that we would be nowhere close to challenging the top six of the Championship. Reading, second bottom of the Championship, looked a much more organised team with greater attacking invention than we have and greater quality on the ball pretty much throughout their XI when playing Man U yesterday. I suspect those expecting us to become some kind of yo-yo club are going to be disappointed. It was a fluke of time and things coming together that we got promoted, that fluke won’t happen again. I agree it’s no given bouncing back - it’s a bloody hard league and sides like villa with a £100m wage bill are still stuck in it My point of view is that Wagner represents our best hope of bouncing back It’s a game of opinions though and I understand yours. I just see it differently on this one I agree that Wagner probably represents our best (albeit slim) hope of bouncing back. Which is why my preference is that he gets some fire back and we get relegated with some vision of promise on the pitch. As things stand, going down as an utterly beaten and defeated club, there's going to be a big noise for him to go in the anger that follows a relegation.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 10:14:23 GMT 1
Bloody hope not Wagner has been manager for 32 months - it’s only in the last month the wheels have come off As for Hoyle - we simply wont get a better chairman in my lifetime ... so be careful what you wish for The last month?! You joking Wevw only won 5 games out of the last 40× games. It's definitely been longer than a month that things have been poor on the field.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 6, 2019 10:20:55 GMT 1
Bloody hope not Wagner has been manager for 32 months - it’s only in the last month the wheels have come off As for Hoyle - we simply wont get a better chairman in my lifetime ... so be careful what you wish for The last month?! You joking Wevw only won 5 games out of the last 40× games. It's definitely been longer than a month that things have been poor on the field. You are correct but it's a simple equation, the players aren't quite good enough in key areas and that lack of quality is killing us. It's killing confidence from the training ground to the pitch to the stands. Nobody wanted to be in this position and we have had to learn a harsh lesson. The trick is to learn the lessons and move on. People can debate on here but there's no quick fix to this now, deciding what the plan is going forward is required and being stronger as a result is what is required.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 10:31:43 GMT 1
Bloody hope not Wagner has been manager for 32 months - it’s only in the last month the wheels have come off As for Hoyle - we simply wont get a better chairman in my lifetime ... so be careful what you wish for The last month?! You joking Wevw only won 5 games out of the last 40× games. It's definitely been longer than a month that things have been poor on the field. Yet less than 4 weeks ago Wagner was on the shortlist for November manager of the month Article from 10th Dec - 27 days ago www.premierleague.com/news/932422
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on Jan 6, 2019 10:40:05 GMT 1
Personally I feel DW has to go as I worry where the current downward spiral will end if allowed to continue but in Dean Hoyle we trust and if he believes that DW can turn it around then that is good enough for me. I understand that fans are split between sticking by our manager or a fresh start without him and get the arguments both sides, particularly given how much he has done but I am shocked that Dean has been criticised by some on here.
Think about what he has done for the club, bailing them out and keeping us in existence with his own cash. If I were a multimillionaire the last thing I’d do is put money into the club when it such a thankless task and you could spend every penny in vain. I’m certain there are no billionaires waiting in the wings to buy Town and I think we need to be careful what we wish for when we are lucky enough to have such a great custodian owning the club who has contributed so much both in the rise of the club in recent years and used Town as a vehicle for generating so much good in the community and with local charities. Whatever happens in 2019 on the pitch, the hard work of our chairman will have ensured we will still have a team to support. When he first got involved I’m sure our future was much more precarious. UTT but this current slump feels awful and I wish it would end.
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Post by ACW on Jan 6, 2019 11:25:28 GMT 1
The ability of some fans to belittle and undermine every achievement knows no bounds... Another one beyond reason. We’ve been returning rubbish results for a year, not a month. It’s an indisputable fact. Other person was using THREE not really that impressive results from two months ago to attempt to suggest that we’re in some kind of temporary blip and that losing is not “the way things are”. This kind of attitude is the reason we are where we are....we’ve not moved forward and we’ve not forced that. Beyond reason? Have a look in the mirror fella. I am sorry my "kind of attitude" has us where we are. Actually, scrub that - am I fuck sorry.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 6, 2019 11:28:42 GMT 1
Back to the original subject, some people are hinting that there's a takeover under way.
Rather than hinting about something so devicive how about just come out and say if there's any truth in it?
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 12:00:27 GMT 1
The last month?! You joking Wevw only won 5 games out of the last 40× games. It's definitely been longer than a month that things have been poor on the field. Yet less than 4 weeks ago Wagner was on the shortlist for November manager of the month Article from 10th Dec - 27 days ago www.premierleague.com/news/932422As people have already mentioned , that month we only had 3 games, won against a Fulham side bottom and about to sack their manager, drew to West ham at home and won at wolves, who were on their worst run of the season so far. That was great but you can't ignore the whole year before that. That's one month out of the 13, 2 wins to give a total of 5 in the previous 41 games. It's like saying that because Man city lost 3 games in decemeber it means guardiola isn't doing well and man city are garbage. When in reality its just 3 random games, and they have actually won 48 in last 59 games and won the league comfortably during that time. In our last 41 games we've only won 5 and scored 25 goals in 41 games. I think that's a record low for goals scored over a season, Only beaten by the derby team in 07/08. It's a long on going problem and even if we win a game against Cardiff that doesn't mean we are all of a sudden doing well again. It's a deep underlying problem which is a combination of wagners style of play, mentality, formation choices, tactics, sub choices and poor recruitment over the last 2 years.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 12:06:23 GMT 1
The last month?! You joking Wevw only won 5 games out of the last 40× games. It's definitely been longer than a month that things have been poor on the field. You are correct but it's a simple equation, the players aren't quite good enough in key areas and that lack of quality is killing us. It's killing confidence from the training ground to the pitch to the stands. Nobody wanted to be in this position and we have had to learn a harsh lesson. The trick is to learn the lessons and move on. People can debate on here but there's no quick fix to this now, deciding what the plan is going forward is required and being stronger as a result is what is required. Agree with all that but these issues have been going on since last December and Wagner hasn't learnt any lessons or moved on and we are 40 games on since then. He had the chance in the summer to learn what had gone wrong, learn from it and improve things. Instead we don't strengthen the team at all, he hasn't learnt anything from the year before and instead we go on an even worse run of 2 wins in 21 games. I don't want to doubt Wagner, I want him to succeed and do well at town but he's obviously not learning or changing anything and when does it get to the point where we think maybe he's just at the end now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 12:06:45 GMT 1
Bloody hope not Wagner has been manager for 32 months - it’s only in the last month the wheels have come off As for Hoyle - we simply wont get a better chairman in my lifetime ... so be careful what you wish for The wheels have been off for a lot longer than a month. How can people not see that? Think it is 4 wins in 34 at the moment.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 12:40:30 GMT 1
As people have already mentioned , that month we only had 3 games, won against a Fulham side bottom and about to sack their manager, drew to West ham at home and won at wolves, who were on their worst run of the season so far. That was great but you can't ignore the whole year before that. That's one month out of the 13, 2 wins to give a total of 5 in the previous 41 games. It's like saying that because Man city lost 3 games in decemeber it means guardiola isn't doing well and man city are garbage. When in reality its just 3 random games, and they have actually won 48 in last 59 games and won the league comfortably during that time. In our last 41 games we've only won 5 and scored 25 goals in 41 games. I think that's a record low for goals scored over a season, Only beaten by the derby team in 07/08. It's a long on going problem and even if we win a game against Cardiff that doesn't mean we are all of a sudden doing well again. It's a deep underlying problem which is a combination of wagners style of play, mentality, formation choices, tactics, sub choices and poor recruitment over the last 2 years. Here’s a thought If we were that bad last season how come when we slipped into a relegation place at end of January 2018 (before the Bournemouth game) yet did we manage to scramble enough points to not only stay up but stay up in 16th and with a game to spare
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Post by capitalterrier on Jan 6, 2019 13:23:09 GMT 1
To say we've lost our fight is just lazy criticism. Today there were always 2 or 3 players chasing the ball down or pressing the man in possession. Our attacking play leaves much to be desired but there shouldn't be any moaning about effort exerted. Then again, that wouldn't fit with a lot of the agendas on here... No worries,if you think that was a team giving it’s maximum then fair enough I’m not going to fall out with anyone over it.If that’s all we’ve got for the next 17 games then so be it,it will be 17 very embarrassing defeats. Don't get me wrong, the attacking play is woeful, and I suppose that is in part due to players not making runs/movement to get into positions to receive the ball. You could argue that the players aren't putting in the effort to get into these attacking positions, but that is one of the first signs of a team lacking any confidence and this is the inhibiting factor rather than them simply not trying. I maintain that the effort is there, off the ball.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 6, 2019 14:05:40 GMT 1
You are correct but it's a simple equation, the players aren't quite good enough in key areas and that lack of quality is killing us. It's killing confidence from the training ground to the pitch to the stands. Nobody wanted to be in this position and we have had to learn a harsh lesson. The trick is to learn the lessons and move on. People can debate on here but there's no quick fix to this now, deciding what the plan is going forward is required and being stronger as a result is what is required. Agree with all that but these issues have been going on since last December and Wagner hasn't learnt any lessons or moved on and we are 40 games on since then. He had the chance in the summer to learn what had gone wrong, learn from it and improve things. Instead we don't strengthen the team at all, he hasn't learnt anything from the year before and instead we go on an even worse run of 2 wins in 21 games. I don't want to doubt Wagner, I want him to succeed and do well at town but he's obviously not learning or changing anything and when does it get to the point where we think maybe he's just at the end now. I don't disagree but I do think we got suckered into thinking that spirit, belief and hard work would keep us up. It was those attributes that got us this far however a couple of things have happened. 1 - Teams have realised all that they need to do is be patient and wait to score as it's unlikely that we will score if they defend properly. 2 - Teams show us perhaps more respect than last season but in the knowledge we don't carry a significant threat. 3 - The momentum we had has diminished, players who were confident a few weeks ago look tentative and lacking belief. 4 - DW is making comments that suggest that without better players we have an upper limit of ability. We cannot expect to keep over achieving. When asked about the transfer window he has said "We know how we work at this club". I read it that he doesn't think he can progress without more investment in the players. I agree that the summer was poor but I'm not surprised. From looking like we were 2/3 players away from having a solid Premier League team about 6 weeks ago we look like a team a million miles away from that now. What needs to happen behind the scenes is a frank review and develop a plan for the future. DW can stay for me but only if he is entirely happy with that plan. If he isn't he needs to leave by the front door with our respect and thanks for the great days. I've posted elsewhere that it's difficult to be open when there is 17 games left but we have to be realistic. Unless we find a couple of wonderfully talented players, within budget, with the personality and desire to fire this team we are going down. We also need Mooy back to his best. It's not impossible but when you read about the money for the likes of Tammy Abrham and that Bournemouth have paid £19m for a player with limited Premier League experience who isn't fit you then realise how tough things are. I know it's a tough watch at the moment but we have to look at the long term. Short term we may as well have a go at teams as it won't get any worse now. Give the players licence and tell them to enjoy playing in the Premier League. Nothing to lose really and it may take the pressure off, that was evident yesterday. When things are going wrong it isn't easy to step back and take stock. I suspect the mindset of both DW and DH is to work harder and keep going. This is to be admired in many respects but taking time our to reflect across the team and strategy may not be a lousy option. What we need to avoid is sitting in May thinking "where did it go wrong "? and not having a consensus on those reasons or having a plan. It's not easy when you are close to the coal face to miss that you aren't making any headway. Taking a step back and trying a different seam and/or new tools may reap better results.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 6, 2019 14:13:20 GMT 1
Will mounies red card be held in the same light as stewey being sold? I’ve just watched the latest black mirror bandersnatch, about making good and bad decisions and the repercussions of them. Got me thinking about that moment and how up to it we seemed to have our mojo back! I honestly came away from that game thinking that was the moment at least our short term future took a bad turn. Was in a proper sulk 😂 Unfortunately that gut instinct is looking true and worse than thought.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 17:43:54 GMT 1
As people have already mentioned , that month we only had 3 games, won against a Fulham side bottom and about to sack their manager, drew to West ham at home and won at wolves, who were on their worst run of the season so far. That was great but you can't ignore the whole year before that. That's one month out of the 13, 2 wins to give a total of 5 in the previous 41 games. It's like saying that because Man city lost 3 games in decemeber it means guardiola isn't doing well and man city are garbage. When in reality its just 3 random games, and they have actually won 48 in last 59 games and won the league comfortably during that time. In our last 41 games we've only won 5 and scored 25 goals in 41 games. I think that's a record low for goals scored over a season, Only beaten by the derby team in 07/08. It's a long on going problem and even if we win a game against Cardiff that doesn't mean we are all of a sudden doing well again. It's a deep underlying problem which is a combination of wagners style of play, mentality, formation choices, tactics, sub choices and poor recruitment over the last 2 years. Here’s a thought If we were that bad last season how come when we slipped into a relegation place at end of January 2018 (before the Bournemouth game) yet did we manage to scramble enough points to not only stay up but stay up in 16th and with a game to spare Not sure why you need this explaining as it's not difficult but ok. We had a good start to the prem with momentum from promotion, a decent mentality,a fairly attacking formation with wingers on the pitch. That helped us amass 21 points in 18 games by December. After that then we drew 3 games against relegation rivals. We then DIDNT WIN a game in january and on 3rd of Feb went 2nd bottom on 24 points after 26 games. At that point though there was only 3 points difference from us to about 11th! We then like you mentioned, against bournmouth won ( the only home game I think we've played well and won for about nearly a year now) We then beat West Brom ( a team bottom and in a complete mess). After that we then like you said scrambled to stay up, we only won ONE game in the last 10. And only picked up 7 points in those 10. Meaning we then had to Park the bus and completely shut it down in the area against city and Chelsea and riding massive luck to sneak 2 draws and survive. So the answer to your question is we stayed up partly because a group of other teams had extremely bad seasons. We stayed up with only 37 points and scoring only 28goals( in the top 5 for lowest amount scored since the premier league began). We had a good start and that points tally by December is what kept us up. Since then it's been a massive struggle. And since the game before bournmouth that you mention we only won another 2 games. Then, like you said ,scrambled some draws and got lucky with other teams poor results. If you need that explaining then theres not much point in listening to you. It isn't difficult and your being ignorant if you ignore all those facts and the fact we only won 3 games since December in that season but somehow think we were playing well. Yes we did well to stay up but that hides the fact of how poor we had done and performed since December.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 17:54:39 GMT 1
Here’s a thought If we were that bad last season how come when we slipped into a relegation place at end of January 2018 (before the Bournemouth game) yet did we manage to scramble enough points to not only stay up but stay up in 16th and with a game to spare Not sure why you need this explaining as it's not difficult but ok. We had a good start to the prem with momentum from promotion, a decent mentality,a fairly attacking formation with wingers on the pitch. That helped us amass 21 points in 18 games by December. After that then we drew 3 games against relegation rivals. We then DIDNT WIN a game in january and on 3rd of Feb went 2nd bottom on 24 points after 26 games. At that point though there was only 3 points difference from us to about 11th! We then like you mentioned, against bournmouth won ( the only home game I think we've played well and won for about nearly a year now) We then beat West Brom ( a team bottom and in a complete mess). After that we then like you said scrambled to stay up, we only won ONE game in the last 10. And only picked up 7 points in those 10. Meaning we then had to Park the bus and completely shut it down in the area against city and Chelsea and riding massive luck to sneak 2 draws and survive. So the answer to your question is we stayed up partly because a group of other teams had extremely bad seasons. We stayed up with only 37 points and scoring only 28goals( in the top 5 for lowest amount scored since the premier league began). We had a good start and that points tally by December is what kept us up. Since then it's been a massive struggle. And since the game before bournmouth that you mention we only won another 2 games. Then, like you said ,scrambled some draws and got lucky with other teams poor results. If you need that explaining then theres not much point in listening to you. It isn't difficult and your being ignorant if you ignore all those facts and the fact we only won 3 games since December in that season but somehow think we were playing well. Yes we did well to stay up but that hides the fact of how poor we had done and performed since December. Wirral you’ve been desperate to run down things for months and I feel like you’re enjoying this like it’s a vindication - there’s no debating with you and you’ll be the among the first to turn on a new manager My point is a simple one If we were in the relegation zone in January and it was as bad as you paint we’d be down in May In fact we collected sufficient points to move from 18th to 16th - so more than two sides in that period ... ie worse than us in that spell and nowt to with our start It’s grim right now but honestly I feel like you’ve been desperate for us to fail for weeks - whereas others who want Wagner gone have given him more chance at least
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 6, 2019 18:21:40 GMT 1
Not sure why you need this explaining as it's not difficult but ok. We had a good start to the prem with momentum from promotion, a decent mentality,a fairly attacking formation with wingers on the pitch. That helped us amass 21 points in 18 games by December. After that then we drew 3 games against relegation rivals. We then DIDNT WIN a game in january and on 3rd of Feb went 2nd bottom on 24 points after 26 games. At that point though there was only 3 points difference from us to about 11th! We then like you mentioned, against bournmouth won ( the only home game I think we've played well and won for about nearly a year now) We then beat West Brom ( a team bottom and in a complete mess). After that we then like you said scrambled to stay up, we only won ONE game in the last 10. And only picked up 7 points in those 10. Meaning we then had to Park the bus and completely shut it down in the area against city and Chelsea and riding massive luck to sneak 2 draws and survive. So the answer to your question is we stayed up partly because a group of other teams had extremely bad seasons. We stayed up with only 37 points and scoring only 28goals( in the top 5 for lowest amount scored since the premier league began). We had a good start and that points tally by December is what kept us up. Since then it's been a massive struggle. And since the game before bournmouth that you mention we only won another 2 games. Then, like you said ,scrambled some draws and got lucky with other teams poor results. If you need that explaining then theres not much point in listening to you. It isn't difficult and your being ignorant if you ignore all those facts and the fact we only won 3 games since December in that season but somehow think we were playing well. Yes we did well to stay up but that hides the fact of how poor we had done and performed since December. Wirral you’ve been desperate to run down things for months and I feel like you’re enjoying this like it’s a vindication - there’s no debating with you and you’ll be the among the first to turn on a new manager My point is a simple one If we were in the relegation zone in January and it was as bad as you paint we’d be down in May In fact we collected sufficient points to move from 18th to 16th - so more than two sides in that period ... ie worse than us in that spell and nowt to with our start It’s grim right now but honestly I feel like you’ve been desperate for us to fail for weeks - whereas others who want Wagner gone have given him more chance at least What are you talking about? You've just ignored everything I've just said to you. If we were in the relegation zone in January and it was as bad as you paint we’d be down in May- we weren't because other teams were doing just as bad if not worse. ( that's not a marker for us doing well!!) In fact we collected sufficient points to move from 18th to 16th - so more than two sides in that period ... ie worse than us in that spell and nowt to with our start - we won 2 games. And scraped the draws we needed to survive. If that's playing well and doing well then ok! If you say so. Other teams doing worse than us has hidden the fact to you how poorly we performed in that time. The facts are we only won 2 games in the time your talking about. We've only won 5 games in the last 41. That's shit, no matter what way you look at it. Your just on a wind up or being daft. And you saying I want Wagner gone or want him to fail. Where have I ever posted I want him sacked?! Never. Where have I ever said I want him to fail? Never. I've questioned him and his decisions but that's completely different. In fact today in this same thread I've literally posted about wanting him to do well and things improve under wagner. But nevermind, you just keep making shit up , keep burying your head in the sand and ignoring any facts about how poorly we are doing.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 6, 2019 18:27:08 GMT 1
The last month?! You joking Wevw only won 5 games out of the last 40× games. It's definitely been longer than a month that things have been poor on the field. You are correct but it's a simple equation, the players aren't quite good enough in key areas and that lack of quality is killing us. It's killing confidence from the training ground to the pitch to the stands. Nobody wanted to be in this position and we have had to learn a harsh lesson. The trick is to learn the lessons and move on. People can debate on here but there's no quick fix to this now, deciding what the plan is going forward is required and being stronger as a result is what is required. Echoes what I’ve been saying pal
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 6, 2019 21:24:12 GMT 1
Dean knows we cannot compete at this level with the finances he is able to put in. The Premier League now is just one huge ''my club is better than yours' rich owners game. Dean cannot compete. If there is a takeover in the offing (I'm not sure there is but i'll bite) then whoever comes in would have to be absolutely bloody minted beyond belief to compete with the top six who can piss money away like it's nothing. It’s not competing with the top six,it’s the fact that we aren’t competing with anyone,you don’t need billionaire owners to put tackles in,to run hard,to jump for headers,and as my grandad used to say “to get your fucking shorts dirty “ for some reason we’ve lost all our fight? And to me that’s what’s unacceptable,not the millions in bank I couldn’t give a shit about that but what’s happening at the moment is not on and something needs to change and fast.Luckily for us Dean Hoyle is as ruthless as it gets and won’t put up with this for much longer.Utt but don't you think that judging by the messages the club have been sending out since day one this season that they're just happy to be in the premier league? I noticed on social media a lot of fans last season were quite honestly stating we play like we are just happy to make up the numbers. Are we happy to just make up the numbers?
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Post by bogart on Jan 7, 2019 4:12:36 GMT 1
Will mounies red card be held in the same light as stewey being sold? I’ve just watched the latest black mirror bandersnatch, about making good and bad decisions and the repercussions of them. Got me thinking about that moment and how up to it we seemed to have our mojo back! Pivotal moment in our season Bit of an overstatement me thinks.
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jan 15, 2019 17:31:46 GMT 1
In the wake of losing David Wagner we are getting a lot of fans saying we could be about to get taken over by the people behind ope. Can anyone shed any light on this
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 15, 2019 17:32:44 GMT 1
The rumour seems to have been going around the town since the weekend
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Post by crux on Jan 15, 2019 17:33:33 GMT 1
Better than No 'ope ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jan 15, 2019 17:35:20 GMT 1
Seems to be gathering pace and spreading about more, cant say I'd be too surprised, ideally they would take part ownership and invest money with Dean still being the spearhead of operations?
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Post by terrier70 on Jan 15, 2019 17:36:00 GMT 1
In DH I trust
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 15, 2019 17:37:16 GMT 1
Dean's always said that he would sell if the right people came along
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