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Post by richhtfc on Feb 9, 2019 23:39:03 GMT 1
Oh look!... It turns out watching a player for 5 x 20 minutes cameos is not enough to judge him as a player. Wow, I’m off for a lie down. Players are judged when they are children, when they are young pros, when they peak, when they are aging like Puncheon, when they retire and every day in between. So what’s point? I have commented on him from the perspective of pre season, making a few starts and today before he scored / kind of scored by starting this thread. All I said previously (whilst acknowledging that it was on limited exposure) was tthat he didn’t look like he believed he belonged at this level. And then today I have said positively that he was showing signs of promise and that a goal might do him the world of good. I haven’t said yet that he is a player yet, I think that remains to be seen! So you are either saying that you think he IS a player, and that you saw it from the off Or you are simply trying to force a narrative that clearly bothers you onto me!? All from what it appears is your bed. 🤔 Maybe that’s the best place for you lad. Sleep it off. I think we’ve all been way too quick to judge. And yes it bothers me, because I think negative comments hurt the club. And to be honest I am embarrassed at the knee jerk nature of our fans this year. I accept we’re desperate for success but we know that the club wants to buy potential, they’ve said so lots of times. I think it’s hilarious that you only give a player one or two opportunities off the bench to proove himself, and now you’re surprised that he can play on the biggest stage? Are we not supposed to be supporting these players? I’ve got to be honest, I hate any narrative on here that is negative towards HTFC maybe I’m too sensitive.
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Post by jakeg on Feb 9, 2019 23:42:42 GMT 1
Great game today. Too many people on this site and in the ground are too quick to jump on the lads back and not give him chance. Ok hes been indifferent but booing and calling wont do the lad any good. Lesser people may have crumbled and lost all confidence due to comments being aimed at him (aka loan signing Lukas Jutkiewicz all those years ago). Get behind him and hell come good. He looks like he might become a fans favourite - hopefully :-) To be fair jutkiewicz was awful and never looked bothered. One of the very very few players I've seen in all my years watching town that I was glad to see the back of. Agree with the general point though. Not these young lads fault that they've taken time.to adjust to the premier league and hopefully the experience over the last 12 games will be invaluable next year
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Post by King Curtis on Feb 9, 2019 23:43:14 GMT 1
I watched VLP bag 3 PL goals last season. Diakhaby? A worldy, a penalty and a scuffed shot Diakhaby caught that shot today perfectly yet a top class save kept it out. VLP completely scuffs one against West Brom and it goes in. Luck can play a massive part in football I've seen Diakhaby get through 1 on 1 with the keeper two home games running. VLP never had the intelligence to make those runs, he just stood out on the wing and rarely attacked the back post either. Could have been Wagner's tactics though Don't get me wrong, I was mildly surprised/impressed by Diakhaby today but to claim that he offered more than VLP could/did in 4/5 weeks is complete rubbish. Don't want to come across as negative as Diakhaby was a positive from today. Just not having an unfair slamming of VLP.
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Post by shawsie on Feb 9, 2019 23:46:12 GMT 1
But that's my point. He was that bad early on we couldn't pick him and he didn't look interested hence Wagner's reluctance to try him out. As for absolutely flying - if he repeats today 7 or 8 times between now and may then maybe.....but not quite yet. Why was he that bad early on but is now looking good? The player has to take responsibility but it doesn’t reflect well on Wagner that he couldn’t get a tune out of him in 5 months but Siewert has in 3 weeks. I've been told a few things went on behind the scenes.....but you never know if these are true. The thing is we shouldn't be relying on raw recruits to carry our main threat - by all means bring in potential, but our inability to bring in better than we had for the first eleven this summer will see us relegated sadly. We just have to hope that this is the start of something big for diakhaby.....and maybe mbenza also.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 9, 2019 23:53:22 GMT 1
What could he do about a previous manager not picking him? That combined with settling in to a new country explains most of it He could have made it impossible for Wagner to leave him out! Done nothing of great note all season - him and mbenza have been woeful in the main. Along with bacuna they are what we didn't need - young lads with raw potential. Not players who are ready for the premier league. He might end up a decent signing .......but he's a long long way from being so right now. We simply have to be patient I suppose. None of which is the fault of Adama, Isaac or Juninho.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 9, 2019 23:54:05 GMT 1
A worldy, a penalty and a scuffed shot Diakhaby caught that shot today perfectly yet a top class save kept it out. VLP completely scuffs one against West Brom and it goes in. Luck can play a massive part in football I've seen Diakhaby get through 1 on 1 with the keeper two home games running. VLP never had the intelligence to make those runs, he just stood out on the wing and rarely attacked the back post either. Could have been Wagner's tactics though Don't get me wrong, I was mildly surprised/impressed by Diakhaby today but to claim that he offered more than VLP could/did in 4/5 weeks is complete rubbish. Don't want to come across as negative as Diakhaby was a positive from today. Just not having an unfair slamming of VLP. But it's true. VLP would go weeks doing nothing aside from his 40 yards runs to relieve pressure (which were much needed at times to be fair). He wouldn't create any chances and he would refuse to pass to overlapping players or cross the ball at the right time Diakhaby has created chances every time he has started. It also feels like he's constantly in the game getting involved whereas VLP could drift out of a game to the point where you wouldn't even know he was playing
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Post by King Curtis on Feb 10, 2019 0:00:00 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, I was mildly surprised/impressed by Diakhaby today but to claim that he offered more than VLP could/did in 4/5 weeks is complete rubbish. Don't want to come across as negative as Diakhaby was a positive from today. Just not having an unfair slamming of VLP. But it's true. VLP would go weeks doing nothing aside from his 40 yards runs to relieve pressure (which were much needed at times to be fair). He wouldn't create any chances and he would refuse to pass to overlapping players or cross the ball at the right time Diakhaby has created chances every time he has started. It also feels like he's constantly in the game getting involved whereas VLP could drift out of a game to the point where you wouldn't even know he was playing I can see where you're coming from slightly but VLP started most games for the best 2 seasons have had in my lifetime. Make of that what you will.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 10, 2019 0:06:52 GMT 1
I watched VLP bag 3 PL goals last season. Diakhaby? A worldy, a penalty and a scuffed shot Diakhaby caught that shot today perfectly yet a top class save kept it out. VLP completely scuffs one against West Brom and it goes in. Luck can play a massive part in football I've seen Diakhaby get through 1 on 1 with the keeper two home games running. VLP never had the intelligence to make those runs, he just stood out on the wing and rarely attacked the back post either. Could have been Wagner's tactics though With Isaac out injured I'd have loved to have seen Raj on the other winger running at them
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Post by King Curtis on Feb 10, 2019 0:09:08 GMT 1
A worldy, a penalty and a scuffed shot Diakhaby caught that shot today perfectly yet a top class save kept it out. VLP completely scuffs one against West Brom and it goes in. Luck can play a massive part in football I've seen Diakhaby get through 1 on 1 with the keeper two home games running. VLP never had the intelligence to make those runs, he just stood out on the wing and rarely attacked the back post either. Could have been Wagner's tactics though With Isaac out injured I'd have loved to have seen Raj on the other winger running at them Abso-bloody-lutely!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 10, 2019 0:17:27 GMT 1
Personally hope we bring back VLP in the Summer. We already know what he can do for us in the Championship.
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Post by yoy on Feb 10, 2019 0:28:02 GMT 1
What could he do about a previous manager not picking him? That combined with settling in to a new country explains most of it He could have made it impossible for Wagner to leave him out! Done nothing of great note all season - him and mbenza have been woeful in the main. Along with bacuna they are what we didn't need - young lads with raw potential. Not players who are ready for the premier league. He might end up a decent signing .......but he's a long long way from being so right now. We simply have to be patient I suppose. Tedious, cliche clap trap that gradually turns to fact. Unless you go and watch training , I do not see how you can have a clue whether he has been woeful or not. He showed a few glimpses of potential at the start of the season, despite only getting a few minutes at a time. Likewise Mbenza.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 10, 2019 0:33:26 GMT 1
Thought the cut back to the edge of box for Mooy/Puncheon was a good idea but they just left it to each other. Unlikely we would have scored but a great chance to smash a volley at goal
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Post by E4b on Feb 10, 2019 0:36:16 GMT 1
Have to admit he showed one or two signs of being a decent player today, a bit hot and cold.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 10, 2019 0:48:05 GMT 1
He has absolutely bags of pace. That in itself is a brilliant weapon. He just needs to learn the game to go with it. Start making the right choices more. Today there were certainly signs hes getting there, and if he can we will have a smashing player on our hands.
He looks a much better prospect than Mbenza IMO and really glad its him we have signed permanently of the two.
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Post by shawsie on Feb 10, 2019 0:56:39 GMT 1
He could have made it impossible for Wagner to leave him out! Done nothing of great note all season - him and mbenza have been woeful in the main. Along with bacuna they are what we didn't need - young lads with raw potential. Not players who are ready for the premier league. He might end up a decent signing .......but he's a long long way from being so right now. We simply have to be patient I suppose. Tedious, cliche clap trap that gradually turns to fact. Unless you go and watch training , I do not see how you can have a clue whether he has been woeful or not. He showed a few glimpses of potential at the start of the season, despite only getting a few minutes at a time. Likewise Mbenza. I've seen with my own eyes that they have contributed naff all between them for most of the season. Have either scored or made an assist yet? As I said, we didn't need potential - we needed better than that. If that's cliched then so be it.....but it's true.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 10, 2019 1:25:15 GMT 1
Nice to see an attacking player running in and behind the opposition's defence. He has done this successfully in the past 2 home games scoring today against Arsenal and getting an Everton defender sent off. A shame we don't have another player in the squad who can do the same. Agreed. Why don't we look to play that kind of pass more often? I would say that will be one of the next steps of Jan’s teaching, through balls to players making runs. Kachunga had a great opportunity to play Diakhaby in one on one in the second half. The problem was that Kachunga dribbles the ball with his head down. Diakhaby was just itching for the through ball, was rolling along in 1st gear just off to the side of the fullback ready for a diagonal run. Had the fullback on toast if Kachunga played the ball through, but missed him there waiting to make the run and eventually the defense recovered and he lost the ball as he ran into a dead end. JS has work to do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 8:25:14 GMT 1
Could anyone who listened on the radio give us Matt Glennons opinion of Diakhaby yesterday please?
He had him down as a non league player last week!!
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Post by gymroidspump on Feb 10, 2019 9:04:38 GMT 1
Tedious, cliche clap trap that gradually turns to fact. Unless you go and watch training , I do not see how you can have a clue whether he has been woeful or not. He showed a few glimpses of potential at the start of the season, despite only getting a few minutes at a time. Likewise Mbenza. I've seen with my own eyes that they have contributed naff all between them for most of the season. Have either scored or made an assist yet? As I said, we didn't need potential - we needed better than that. If that's cliched then so be it.....but it's true. Wagner never gave either player a chance, instead setting up with 500 defenders.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 10, 2019 9:52:11 GMT 1
He has absolutely bags of pace. That in itself is a brilliant weapon. He just needs to learn the game to go with it. Start making the right choices more. Today there were certainly signs hes getting there, and if he can we will have a smashing player on our hands. He looks a much better prospect than Mbenza IMO and really glad its him we have signed permanently of the two. Mbenza is signed permanently, well it will be confirmed in the summer anyway. I think he's the more natural footballer of the two and has more potential but I think both will go on to bigger things within 2 years. He's regularly getting picked for Belgium under 21s which tells you enough with the quality of players they produce. A shame he got injured because him down one side full of confidence and Diakhaby down the other full of confidence would really help us pin teams back
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Post by yoy on Feb 10, 2019 9:59:56 GMT 1
Tedious, cliche clap trap that gradually turns to fact. Unless you go and watch training , I do not see how you can have a clue whether he has been woeful or not. He showed a few glimpses of potential at the start of the season, despite only getting a few minutes at a time. Likewise Mbenza. I've seen with my own eyes that they have contributed naff all between them for most of the season. Have either scored or made an assist yet? As I said, we didn't need potential - we needed better than that. If that's cliched then so be it.....but it's true. Change the argument if you wish, but your own eyes seem to have failed to read my post. You claim they’ve been woeful. I claim they have not been given sufficient opportunity to prove themselves woeful. In answer to your question. Yes - both have an assist.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 10, 2019 10:07:21 GMT 1
Have you seen a winger in a Town shirt play better than he did today? Consider the quality of the opposition before you answer that He's had 4 straight starts and he's already producing performances of that level. There is a post on the Arsenal forum saying they made our right winger look world class, slightly tongue in cheek perhaps but he clearly stood out. None of us saw training but it's clear to me that Wagner wasn't picking Diakhaby purely because he couldn't defend properly and that's all he was bothered about. He's an expensive David Beresford. Runs like a whippet but when he inevitably has to touch the ball he loses the ball. This thread is typical DATM and football fans in general. I'd agree people are going OTT and it wouldn't even surprise me to find the odd poster having a go at Wagner for not picking him more who have previously said he shouldn't play again. He did some really good stuff today, but as much as Arsenal are a big team, they aren't strong defensively. He ain't no longer looking like an Abarth David Beresford, but he also ain't of a level to get all 'I told you so'!
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Post by midlander on Feb 10, 2019 10:09:23 GMT 1
The key thing with Diakhaby is, like others have mentioned, he is free of defensive shackles. He has been given the freedom to express himself in the opposition half and we are set up to get the ball forwards much quicker with more players busting a gut to get in the box as well. Add in a bit of confidence, the fact that he is probably more used to his new country and he has a coach who is showing belief in him and hey presto - the lad is showing the ability that he clearly has. Yes, Siewert's set up leaves us massively prone to counter attacks, especially at this level, but it is a lot more exciting to watch than the pragmatic approach that had stifled the attacking flair out of the more creative elements (even though it kept us in touch in almost every game). Be interesting to see if he can get Pritchard back into being a forward-looking creator as well. Interview in match programme with him pre Christmas told me everything I'd suspected. He was saying how much his defensive game had developed since joining the club; nothing about him developing as an AM which is what he was brought in for.
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Post by omegasupreme on Feb 10, 2019 10:13:32 GMT 1
I've said from day one to anyone who would listen that these two are absolute class. Diakhaby the best player on the pitch. Again. Wagner never went with Mbenza and Diakhaby for whatever reason. But as we see more it looks more and more like a man chucking toys out of his pram. These two will go onto big things, with or without Town. I'd be covincing Mbenza to sign and Diakhaby to stay. That would be my priority in the summer. He was great today but Jesus, I wouldn’t go that far.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 10, 2019 10:13:33 GMT 1
He's an expensive David Beresford. Runs like a whippet but when he inevitably has to touch the ball he loses the ball. This thread is typical DATM and football fans in general. I'd agree people are going OTT and it wouldn't even surprise me to find the odd poster having a go at Wagner for not picking him more who have previously said he shouldn't play again. He did some really good stuff today, but as much as Arsenal are a big team, they aren't strong defensively. He ain't no longer looking like an Abarth David Beresford, but he also ain't of a level to get all 'I told you so'! Did you see match of the day? He was involved in pretty much every one of our attacking highlights. He was the one who deserved the analysis after not Iwobi What more do you want him to do? His performance yesterday was on a whole different level to anything we've seen from a wide player this season yet it still isn't enough for some. Look at the review Ian Wright did of Martial after their game, he's a £50 million player and wasted some great opportunities with poor decision making and poor final balls after scoring a great goal early on. No matter how much money you pay you're not going to get a winger who makes the correct decision every time he bursts forward.
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Post by gymroidspump on Feb 10, 2019 10:17:09 GMT 1
I've said from day one to anyone who would listen that these two are absolute class. Diakhaby the best player on the pitch. Again. Wagner never went with Mbenza and Diakhaby for whatever reason. But as we see more it looks more and more like a man chucking toys out of his pram. These two will go onto big things, with or without Town. I'd be covincing Mbenza to sign and Diakhaby to stay. That would be my priority in the summer. He was great today but Jesus, I wouldn’t go that far. I would. Best player by a mile today. The only threat against Chelsea last week. Two top 4 sides. People have no reason whatsoever to doubt either Mbenza of Diakhaby. Wagner never gave either a go. "He sees them day in day out in training" he also saw Hadergonaj in training day in day out and still played him, and he's shite.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 10:19:15 GMT 1
A front 3 of Grant, Diakhaby and Mbenza would have Championship defenders soiling themselves. Pace to burn!
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Post by omegasupreme on Feb 10, 2019 10:19:24 GMT 1
Have you seen a winger in a Town shirt play better than he did today? Consider the quality of the opposition before you answer that He's had 4 straight starts and he's already producing performances of that level. There is a post on the Arsenal forum saying they made our right winger look world class, slightly tongue in cheek perhaps but he clearly stood out. None of us saw training but it's clear to me that Wagner wasn't picking Diakhaby purely because he couldn't defend properly and that's all he was bothered about. He's an expensive David Beresford. Runs like a whippet but when he inevitably has to touch the ball he loses the ball. Wow that’s harsh - I thought his touch looked very good actually and Beresford never looked good against arsenal! He’s clearly got something to work with.
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Post by omegasupreme on Feb 10, 2019 10:23:40 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, I was mildly surprised/impressed by Diakhaby today but to claim that he offered more than VLP could/did in 4/5 weeks is complete rubbish. Don't want to come across as negative as Diakhaby was a positive from today. Just not having an unfair slamming of VLP. But it's true. VLP would go weeks doing nothing aside from his 40 yards runs to relieve pressure (which were much needed at times to be fair). He wouldn't create any chances and he would refuse to pass to overlapping players or cross the ball at the right time Diakhaby has created chances every time he has started. It also feels like he's constantly in the game getting involved whereas VLP could drift out of a game to the point where you wouldn't even know he was playing It probably is true - Diakhaby probably has more intelligence - but VLP has different qualities and based on pure footballing reasons - it’s a travesty that out most effective winger from the last 2.5 years is not with us at the moment. He would have been great in the system yesterday instead of puncheon.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 10, 2019 10:25:45 GMT 1
This thread is typical DATM and football fans in general. I'd agree people are going OTT and it wouldn't even surprise me to find the odd poster having a go at Wagner for not picking him more who have previously said he shouldn't play again. He did some really good stuff today, but as much as Arsenal are a big team, they aren't strong defensively. He ain't no longer looking like an Abarth David Beresford, but he also ain't of a level to get all 'I told you so'! Did you see match of the day? He was involved in pretty much every one of our attacking highlights. He was the one who deserved the analysis after not Iwobi What more do you want him to do? His performance yesterday was on a whole different level to anything we've seen from a wide player this season yet it still isn't enough for some. Look at the review Ian Wright did of Martial after their game, he's a £50 million player and wasted some great opportunities with poor decision making and poor final balls after scoring a great goal early on. No matter how much money you pay you're not going to get a winger who makes the correct decision every time he bursts forward. As I said, typical DATM. I didn't even just say he did some good stuff, I said he did some 'really' good stuff, but because I'm not going with the rhetoric Wagner is a fool for not picking him or polar opposite he's garbage, I'm probably upsetting most of those who comment. To iterate, he played really well yesterday, but there was still a rawness that I'm not having it that it was supposedly blatant he should've got more game time previously. That's all I'm getting at. Hopefully he does prove many very wrong, which is now looking a distinct possibility.
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Post by omegasupreme on Feb 10, 2019 10:29:42 GMT 1
He was great today but Jesus, I wouldn’t go that far. I would. Best player by a mile today. The only threat against Chelsea last week. Two top 4 sides. People have no reason whatsoever to doubt either Mbenza of Diakhaby. Wagner never gave either a go. "He sees them day in day out in training" he also saw Hadergonaj in training day in day out and still played him, and he's shite. He was good yesterday but to declare them both as “absolute class” is way over the top. There’s no way we’re going to pay the 12m fee for Mbenza so I think we can forget about him beyond this season. Im glad Diakhaby is looking like he can be an asset in the future though.
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