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Post by WirralTerrier on Feb 10, 2019 10:43:12 GMT 1
If we keep hold of diakhaby and mbenza for next year, play 433 and let them attack which Jan seems to like to do then it could be the most exciting season we've had in a long time watching town. Those two will scare the crap out of defences in the championship. Really looking forward to next season.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 10, 2019 13:26:02 GMT 1
He has absolutely bags of pace. That in itself is a brilliant weapon. He just needs to learn the game to go with it. Start making the right choices more. Today there were certainly signs hes getting there, and if he can we will have a smashing player on our hands. He looks a much better prospect than Mbenza IMO and really glad its him we have signed permanently of the two. Mbenza is signed permanently, well it will be confirmed in the summer anyway. I think he's the more natural footballer of the two and has more potential but I think both will go on to bigger things within 2 years. He's regularly getting picked for Belgium under 21s which tells you enough with the quality of players they produce. A shame he got injured because him down one side full of confidence and Diakhaby down the other full of confidence would really help us pin teams back It was a loan with a view to a permanent signing. The whole point of that is so we can look at him and he can look at us. So where have you heard this? Id be amazed if we sign him myself, never mind for the bizarre figure Ive heard that they value him at ( £12m of something?? ) Perhaps if we could get him for £2m it would be a gamble worth taking, but even for that it would be a big gamble. He can cross a ball, but other than that hes looked more like a competition winner than anything else. And worst of all he has the fight of a 10 year old girl. Its rare to see any player look to avoid getting hurt to the level Mbenza does. That isn;t what you need in the hurly burly of the championship! Maybe a different lad in amongst his mates in the Belgium youth teams, but for us hes been a 1 out of 10 and showed very little for us to bother making it permanent IMO.
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Post by gymroidspump on Feb 10, 2019 13:26:09 GMT 1
I would. Best player by a mile today. The only threat against Chelsea last week. Two top 4 sides. People have no reason whatsoever to doubt either Mbenza of Diakhaby. Wagner never gave either a go. "He sees them day in day out in training" he also saw Hadergonaj in training day in day out and still played him, and he's shite. He was good yesterday but to declare them both as “absolute class” is way over the top. There’s no way we’re going to pay the 12m fee for Mbenza so I think we can forget about him beyond this season. Im glad Diakhaby is looking like he can be an asset in the future though. More class than anyone else yesterday on the pitch. Mooy included
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Post by gymroidspump on Feb 10, 2019 13:27:09 GMT 1
Mbenza is signed permanently, well it will be confirmed in the summer anyway. I think he's the more natural footballer of the two and has more potential but I think both will go on to bigger things within 2 years. He's regularly getting picked for Belgium under 21s which tells you enough with the quality of players they produce. A shame he got injured because him down one side full of confidence and Diakhaby down the other full of confidence would really help us pin teams back It was a loan with a view to a permanent signing. The whole point of that is so we can look at him and he can look at us. So where have you heard this? Id be amazed if we sign him myself, never mind for the bizarre figure Ive heard that they value him at ( £12m of something?? ) Perhaps if we could get him for £2m it would be a gamble worth taking, but even for that it would be a big gamble. He can cross a ball, but other than that hes looked more like a competition winner than anything else. And worst of all he has the fight of a 10 year old girl. Its rare to see any player look to avoid getting hurt to the level Mbenza does. That isn;t what you need in the hurly burly of the championship! Maybe a different lad in amongst his mates in the Belgium youth teams, but for us hes been a 1 out of 10 and showed very little for us to bother making it permanent IMO. £2m 😂🤣 so it's you who's been in charge of the recruitment at Town!! Shoestring.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 10, 2019 13:34:37 GMT 1
Mbenza is signed permanently, well it will be confirmed in the summer anyway. I think he's the more natural footballer of the two and has more potential but I think both will go on to bigger things within 2 years. He's regularly getting picked for Belgium under 21s which tells you enough with the quality of players they produce. A shame he got injured because him down one side full of confidence and Diakhaby down the other full of confidence would really help us pin teams back It was a loan with a view to a permanent signing. The whole point of that is so we can look at him and he can look at us. So where have you heard this? Id be amazed if we sign him myself, never mind for the bizarre figure Ive heard that they value him at ( £12m of something?? ) Perhaps if we could get him for £2m it would be a gamble worth taking, but even for that it would be a big gamble. He can cross a ball, but other than that hes looked more like a competition winner than anything else. And worst of all he has the fight of a 10 year old girl. Its rare to see any player look to avoid getting hurt to the level Mbenza does. That isn;t what you need in the hurly burly of the championship! Maybe a different lad in amongst his mates in the Belgium youth teams, but for us hes been a 1 out of 10 and showed very little for us to bother making it permanent IMO. Their fans seem sure that it was a loan for tax reasons and has to be made permanent this summer. They did similar the previous summer apparently It also ties in to him slagging the manager off after leaving. You wouldn't be doing that if there was a chance of you going back there
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 10, 2019 14:28:59 GMT 1
Mbenza is signed permanently, well it will be confirmed in the summer anyway. I think he's the more natural footballer of the two and has more potential but I think both will go on to bigger things within 2 years. He's regularly getting picked for Belgium under 21s which tells you enough with the quality of players they produce. A shame he got injured because him down one side full of confidence and Diakhaby down the other full of confidence would really help us pin teams back It was a loan with a view to a permanent signing. The whole point of that is so we can look at him and he can look at us. So where have you heard this? Id be amazed if we sign him myself, never mind for the bizarre figure Ive heard that they value him at ( £12m of something?? ) Perhaps if we could get him for £2m it would be a gamble worth taking, but even for that it would be a big gamble. He can cross a ball, but other than that hes looked more like a competition winner than anything else. And worst of all he has the fight of a 10 year old girl. Its rare to see any player look to avoid getting hurt to the level Mbenza does. That isn;t what you need in the hurly burly of the championship! Maybe a different lad in amongst his mates in the Belgium youth teams, but for us hes been a 1 out of 10 and showed very little for us to bother making it permanent IMO. I’d be amazed if we don’t sign mbenza mate Seemingly the Montpellier fans in the know - ie the ones saying he was moving to Hudds before the story broke - were saying it was a loan with an obligation (not option) to buy. The reason being Montpellier sold a lot of players last summer and wanted this deal to happen in a different tax year. I’m no tax experts but there might be a higher tier of tax on profits they were looking to avoid by off setting this income until next year. What is known is that they got a lot of money off player sales in the summer www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hsc-montpellier/transfers/verein/969/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=For Town we know they had money to sign both limbonde and diakhaby - www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/19/do-report-huddersfield-to-complete-18m-double-deal-for-anthony-l/ - so that money earmarked for limbonde either is in a bank account or more probably accrued for mbenza Then this article especially is telling - it’s mbenza himself criticising his Montpellier manager - he wouldn’t do that if he expected to head back to work for that manager In the same article he talks about being in the last year of his deal, talks starting then stopping when town came in. Mbenza said “I had a bad relationship with the Montpellier manager. It played in my decision. The club find themselves in it too. I only had one year of contract left. I was going to renew, but this offer arrived ten days before the end of the window.” www.90min.com/posts/6169042-huddersfield-s-isaac-mbenza-reveals-bad-relationship-with-former-manager-led-to-terriers-switch If he was loanee we could get him on a bosman this summer ... but like I say it all points that he’s already agreed to sign permanently We’ll find out either way in a few weeks
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 10, 2019 14:29:47 GMT 1
Did you see match of the day? He was involved in pretty much every one of our attacking highlights. He was the one who deserved the analysis after not Iwobi What more do you want him to do? His performance yesterday was on a whole different level to anything we've seen from a wide player this season yet it still isn't enough for some. Look at the review Ian Wright did of Martial after their game, he's a £50 million player and wasted some great opportunities with poor decision making and poor final balls after scoring a great goal early on. No matter how much money you pay you're not going to get a winger who makes the correct decision every time he bursts forward. As I said, typical DATM. I didn't even just say he did some good stuff, I said he did some 'really' good stuff, but because I'm not going with the rhetoric Wagner is a fool for not picking him or the alternative he's garbage, I'm probably upsetting most of those who comment. To iterate, he played really well yesterday, but there was still a rawness that I'm not having it that it was supposedly blatant he should've got more game time previously. That's all I'm getting at. Hopefully he does prove many very wrong, which is now looking a distinct possibility. Do you think (with hindsight yes) that it was a strategically wise move to leave £20m of wingers out in the cold all season? Players that Wagner presumably signed off on, represented 50% of our transfer kitty and were signed to address the biggest weakness in the team from last year, the lack of threat from our wingers. Was everything possible done to integrate them into the first team? Diakhaby showed promise away at Everton then he was back out in the cold.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 10, 2019 14:49:18 GMT 1
As I said, typical DATM. I didn't even just say he did some good stuff, I said he did some 'really' good stuff, but because I'm not going with the rhetoric Wagner is a fool for not picking him or the alternative he's garbage, I'm probably upsetting most of those who comment. To iterate, he played really well yesterday, but there was still a rawness that I'm not having it that it was supposedly blatant he should've got more game time previously. That's all I'm getting at. Hopefully he does prove many very wrong, which is now looking a distinct possibility. Do you think (with hindsight yes) that it was a strategically wise move to leave £20m of wingers out in the cold all season? Players that Wagner presumably signed off on, represented 50% of our transfer kitty and were signed to address the biggest weakness in the team from last year, the lack of threat from our wingers. Was everything possible done to integrate them into the first team? Diakhaby showed promise away at Everton then he was back out in the cold. There's no doubt we cocked-up in one way or another and that may well be a lack of bravery in persisting with them, rather than not enough of the recruitment being for the here and now. We'll never know. I am struggling though to think of the early performances that indicated he had potential. I'm including Everton away where I thought he was poor; looking weak, incredibly one footed and naive. I didn't say it at the time, because I prefer to give our new players the benefit of the doubt. I'm also all for Town doing well, so I'm delighted in how well he played yesterday, which was leaps and bounds above anything to date and hopefully means he will prove to be a great asset and a lot of us wrong.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Feb 10, 2019 14:53:47 GMT 1
A front 3 of Grant, Diakhaby and Mbenza would have Championship defenders soiling themselves. Pace to burn! I said a couple of months ago when we were coming off the rails, how frightening pace wise a front three of Mbenza/Diakhaby/VLP would be even in the Premier League, now with the addition of Grant, let's hope we see something like this - a budget Liverpool style Mane/Firmino/Salah
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 10, 2019 21:46:52 GMT 1
It was a loan with a view to a permanent signing. The whole point of that is so we can look at him and he can look at us. So where have you heard this? Id be amazed if we sign him myself, never mind for the bizarre figure Ive heard that they value him at ( £12m of something?? ) Perhaps if we could get him for £2m it would be a gamble worth taking, but even for that it would be a big gamble. He can cross a ball, but other than that hes looked more like a competition winner than anything else. And worst of all he has the fight of a 10 year old girl. Its rare to see any player look to avoid getting hurt to the level Mbenza does. That isn;t what you need in the hurly burly of the championship! Maybe a different lad in amongst his mates in the Belgium youth teams, but for us hes been a 1 out of 10 and showed very little for us to bother making it permanent IMO. I’d be amazed if we don’t sign mbenza mate Seemingly the Montpellier fans in the know - ie the ones saying he was moving to Hudds before the story broke - were saying it was a loan with an obligation (not option) to buy. The reason being Montpellier sold a lot of players last summer and wanted this deal to happen in a different tax year. I’m no tax experts but there might be a higher tier of tax on profits they were looking to avoid by off setting this income until next year. What is known is that they got a lot of money off player sales in the summer www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hsc-montpellier/transfers/verein/969/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=For Town we know they had money to sign both limbonde and diakhaby - www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/19/do-report-huddersfield-to-complete-18m-double-deal-for-anthony-l/ - so that money earmarked for limbonde either is in a bank account or more probably accrued for mbenza Then this article especially is telling - it’s mbenza himself criticising his Montpellier manager - he wouldn’t do that if he expected to head back to work for that manager In the same article he talks about being in the last year of his deal, talks starting then stopping when town came in. Mbenza said “I had a bad relationship with the Montpellier manager. It played in my decision. The club find themselves in it too. I only had one year of contract left. I was going to renew, but this offer arrived ten days before the end of the window.” www.90min.com/posts/6169042-huddersfield-s-isaac-mbenza-reveals-bad-relationship-with-former-manager-led-to-terriers-switch If he was loanee we could get him on a bosman this summer ... but like I say it all points that he’s already agreed to sign permanently We’ll find out either way in a few weeks Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 10, 2019 22:04:20 GMT 1
I’d be amazed if we don’t sign mbenza mate Seemingly the Montpellier fans in the know - ie the ones saying he was moving to Hudds before the story broke - were saying it was a loan with an obligation (not option) to buy. The reason being Montpellier sold a lot of players last summer and wanted this deal to happen in a different tax year. I’m no tax experts but there might be a higher tier of tax on profits they were looking to avoid by off setting this income until next year. What is known is that they got a lot of money off player sales in the summer www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hsc-montpellier/transfers/verein/969/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=For Town we know they had money to sign both limbonde and diakhaby - www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/19/do-report-huddersfield-to-complete-18m-double-deal-for-anthony-l/ - so that money earmarked for limbonde either is in a bank account or more probably accrued for mbenza Then this article especially is telling - it’s mbenza himself criticising his Montpellier manager - he wouldn’t do that if he expected to head back to work for that manager In the same article he talks about being in the last year of his deal, talks starting then stopping when town came in. Mbenza said “I had a bad relationship with the Montpellier manager. It played in my decision. The club find themselves in it too. I only had one year of contract left. I was going to renew, but this offer arrived ten days before the end of the window.” www.90min.com/posts/6169042-huddersfield-s-isaac-mbenza-reveals-bad-relationship-with-former-manager-led-to-terriers-switch If he was loanee we could get him on a bosman this summer ... but like I say it all points that he’s already agreed to sign permanently We’ll find out either way in a few weeks Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. We'll make our money back and probably more within 18 months
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Post by est1908 on Feb 10, 2019 22:15:58 GMT 1
A front 3 of Grant, Diakhaby and Mbenza would have Championship defenders soiling themselves. Pace to burn! With Mooy, Hogg and Billing/Bacuna behind them....
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 10, 2019 22:35:45 GMT 1
A front 3 of Grant, Diakhaby and Mbenza would have Championship defenders soiling themselves. Pace to burn! With Mooy, Hogg and Billing/Bacuna behind them.... From what I've seen in recent times Mooy is the guaranteed starter. It's becoming less obvious between the other three.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 10, 2019 22:37:05 GMT 1
If we retain them, have a great season next yr and bounce back (largely influenced by these lads), then I can almost guarantee there'll be some on here saying they're not good enough...
'tis the nature of the lesser spotted fickle bastard...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 10, 2019 23:05:44 GMT 1
First time the lad has looked decent tbf, I Admit I have not rated him at all until yesterday. Looked good, lets hope he continues.
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Post by chinaski on Feb 10, 2019 23:24:39 GMT 1
I’d be amazed if we don’t sign mbenza mate Seemingly the Montpellier fans in the know - ie the ones saying he was moving to Hudds before the story broke - were saying it was a loan with an obligation (not option) to buy. The reason being Montpellier sold a lot of players last summer and wanted this deal to happen in a different tax year. I’m no tax experts but there might be a higher tier of tax on profits they were looking to avoid by off setting this income until next year. What is known is that they got a lot of money off player sales in the summer www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hsc-montpellier/transfers/verein/969/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=For Town we know they had money to sign both limbonde and diakhaby - www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/19/do-report-huddersfield-to-complete-18m-double-deal-for-anthony-l/ - so that money earmarked for limbonde either is in a bank account or more probably accrued for mbenza Then this article especially is telling - it’s mbenza himself criticising his Montpellier manager - he wouldn’t do that if he expected to head back to work for that manager In the same article he talks about being in the last year of his deal, talks starting then stopping when town came in. Mbenza said “I had a bad relationship with the Montpellier manager. It played in my decision. The club find themselves in it too. I only had one year of contract left. I was going to renew, but this offer arrived ten days before the end of the window.” www.90min.com/posts/6169042-huddersfield-s-isaac-mbenza-reveals-bad-relationship-with-former-manager-led-to-terriers-switch If he was loanee we could get him on a bosman this summer ... but like I say it all points that he’s already agreed to sign permanently We’ll find out either way in a few weeks Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet.
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Post by royrace on Feb 10, 2019 23:52:46 GMT 1
Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet. Irrelevant what they'll do in the future and its far from guaranteed they will have any career at all in English football. The signing of these two and Sohbi has seen us relegated. Both have shown some promise but should never have been purchased as per sobhi and hamer. And £13M is looking like £10M too much. That doesn't change because they look like they might do ok in the Championship next season. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 11, 2019 0:37:39 GMT 1
This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet. Irrelevant what they'll do in the future and its far from guaranteed they will have any career at all in English football. The signing of these two and Sohbi has seen us relegated. Both have shown some promise but should never have been purchased as per sobhi and hamer. And £13M is looking like £10M too much. That doesn't change because they look like they might do ok in the Championship next season. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards £10m is the going rate for wingers who are only any good in the Championship isn't it ? 🤔😉
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 11, 2019 0:46:14 GMT 1
Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet. Well i hope youre right and Im wrong. Diakhaby i can see being a great player once hes learned to play with his brain to add to his pace. But Ive seen nothing to suggest Mbenza is going to be anything of note. There must be a player in there ( you'd presume ) for him to be valued at anything like he is, but he hasn;'t shown any of it yet. I suspect if he was a youngster who'd come though our academy and put in the performances he has this season, most of those saying he'll be this and that would be saying he isn;t up to it and looking to offload him to a league 1 club on loan for a season.
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 11, 2019 6:14:25 GMT 1
I’d be amazed if we don’t sign mbenza mate Seemingly the Montpellier fans in the know - ie the ones saying he was moving to Hudds before the story broke - were saying it was a loan with an obligation (not option) to buy. The reason being Montpellier sold a lot of players last summer and wanted this deal to happen in a different tax year. I’m no tax experts but there might be a higher tier of tax on profits they were looking to avoid by off setting this income until next year. What is known is that they got a lot of money off player sales in the summer www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hsc-montpellier/transfers/verein/969/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=For Town we know they had money to sign both limbonde and diakhaby - www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/19/do-report-huddersfield-to-complete-18m-double-deal-for-anthony-l/ - so that money earmarked for limbonde either is in a bank account or more probably accrued for mbenza Then this article especially is telling - it’s mbenza himself criticising his Montpellier manager - he wouldn’t do that if he expected to head back to work for that manager In the same article he talks about being in the last year of his deal, talks starting then stopping when town came in. Mbenza said “I had a bad relationship with the Montpellier manager. It played in my decision. The club find themselves in it too. I only had one year of contract left. I was going to renew, but this offer arrived ten days before the end of the window.” www.90min.com/posts/6169042-huddersfield-s-isaac-mbenza-reveals-bad-relationship-with-former-manager-led-to-terriers-switch If he was loanee we could get him on a bosman this summer ... but like I say it all points that he’s already agreed to sign permanently We’ll find out either way in a few weeks Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. This is the official line given upon his signing.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Feb 11, 2019 10:04:19 GMT 1
I’d be amazed if we don’t sign mbenza mate Seemingly the Montpellier fans in the know - ie the ones saying he was moving to Hudds before the story broke - were saying it was a loan with an obligation (not option) to buy. The reason being Montpellier sold a lot of players last summer and wanted this deal to happen in a different tax year. I’m no tax experts but there might be a higher tier of tax on profits they were looking to avoid by off setting this income until next year. What is known is that they got a lot of money off player sales in the summer www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hsc-montpellier/transfers/verein/969/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=For Town we know they had money to sign both limbonde and diakhaby - www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/19/do-report-huddersfield-to-complete-18m-double-deal-for-anthony-l/ - so that money earmarked for limbonde either is in a bank account or more probably accrued for mbenza Then this article especially is telling - it’s mbenza himself criticising his Montpellier manager - he wouldn’t do that if he expected to head back to work for that manager In the same article he talks about being in the last year of his deal, talks starting then stopping when town came in. Mbenza said “I had a bad relationship with the Montpellier manager. It played in my decision. The club find themselves in it too. I only had one year of contract left. I was going to renew, but this offer arrived ten days before the end of the window.” www.90min.com/posts/6169042-huddersfield-s-isaac-mbenza-reveals-bad-relationship-with-former-manager-led-to-terriers-switch If he was loanee we could get him on a bosman this summer ... but like I say it all points that he’s already agreed to sign permanently We’ll find out either way in a few weeks Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. Even more so as he only had one year left on his contract. You really do wonder how someone as clueless as Rebbe was able to negotiate these deals.
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Post by chinaski on Feb 11, 2019 10:16:39 GMT 1
This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet. Well i hope youre right and Im wrong. Diakhaby i can see being a great player once hes learned to play with his brain to add to his pace. But Ive seen nothing to suggest Mbenza is going to be anything of note. There must be a player in there ( you'd presume ) for him to be valued at anything like he is, but he hasn;'t shown any of it yet. I suspect if he was a youngster who'd come though our academy and put in the performances he has this season, most of those saying he'll be this and that would be saying he isn;t up to it and looking to offload him to a league 1 club on loan for a season. How about the cross for Mounie's header vs Burnley at home? Apart from Gary Roberts, I don't think I've seen anyone in my 20 years supporting Town whip in such a dangerous cross. Mounie literally couldn't miss. He's definitely found it tough, it's not an easy league to play your way into, especially as part of a struggling team. If we do keep hold of him and Diakhaby next year, in a (hopefully) successful side, these two who look like confidence players will take off big time.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Feb 11, 2019 10:19:44 GMT 1
I definitely remember seeing we are obligated to buy Mbenza in the summer. For me at £12m, it's a lot but we could do a lot worse. He clearly has talent, and has had a year to adapt to English football. Would be very easy to sign another winger for more money who turns out to be even more of a flop.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 11, 2019 10:22:25 GMT 1
I said months ago Mbenza will come good. If we can get him for £10m or less I'd snap him up as will be deadly in the Championship. Diakhaby I was less convinced by but was by far and away his best game on Saturday, and Monreal is no mug.
If we have the two of them fulfilling potential in an easier division next year we could do worse...
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 11, 2019 10:57:38 GMT 1
Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet. Though I’d like you to be right, I suspect that will not be the case. Both players (despite better recent performances) lack two very important features required to play at a decent level: a footballing brain and a degree of physicality/bravery.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 11, 2019 11:05:54 GMT 1
Well i hope youre right and Im wrong. Diakhaby i can see being a great player once hes learned to play with his brain to add to his pace. But Ive seen nothing to suggest Mbenza is going to be anything of note. There must be a player in there ( you'd presume ) for him to be valued at anything like he is, but he hasn;'t shown any of it yet. I suspect if he was a youngster who'd come though our academy and put in the performances he has this season, most of those saying he'll be this and that would be saying he isn;t up to it and looking to offload him to a league 1 club on loan for a season. How about the cross for Mounie's header vs Burnley at home? Apart from Gary Roberts, I don't think I've seen anyone in my 20 years supporting Town whip in such a dangerous cross. Mounie literally couldn't miss. He's definitely found it tough, it's not an easy league to play your way into, especially as part of a struggling team. If we do keep hold of him and Diakhaby next year, in a (hopefully) successful side, these two who look like confidence players will take off big time. Yes hes put in 2 or 3 good crosses. But thats about his entire contribution- thats my worry. His general play has been poor, in fact lousy a lot of the time- passing, movement, shooting!! His control is nothing to shout about and his lack of fight is frankly a joke, particularly for a lad trying to force his way into a team. Hes been a passenger in a team that just can't afford that. It can't be easy being a young lad moving to a different country away from his friends and family, but there again hes 23 in a few weeks not 18, so not sure that excuse is that strong for him. Hes going to have to improve massively to 'take off big time' or even average time IMO and in the championship he is going to have to learn how to fight and scrap and be willing to take a knock or two- something he clearly isn't prepared to do so far.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 11, 2019 11:07:37 GMT 1
This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet. Though I’d like you to be right, I suspect that will not be the case. Both players (despite better recent performances) lack two very important features required to play at a decent level: a footballing brain and a degree of physicality/bravery. What makes you say Diakhaby doesn't have a brain? He's consistently picked players out in good positions in recent games, played clever one twos, made intelligent runs to get through on goal. None of that happens if you don't have a brain Diakhaby's problem (Well it isn't a problem for him but it is for some of our fans) is that he looks a bit funny when he runs so that automatically makes him a poor player
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Post by dugnet on Feb 11, 2019 11:15:16 GMT 1
My view is that in Mbenza there is a player in there but he's not up to Premier League level.
As for Diakhaby, well....he was what we needed 5 months ago on Saturday, so you are naturally left scratching your head - was it DW who couldn't get the best out of him or was it purely confidence. What I would say is that on Saturday Arsenal didn't clatter him much and gave him a little space to work in. It will be interesting to see how he performs from here as I think JS will give him a go.
As for the future for both, if they stay (and I think there is a question mark about that) will they be up to the relentless rigours of a physical Championship?
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Post by E4b on Feb 11, 2019 11:19:20 GMT 1
Well i hope youre right and Im wrong. Diakhaby i can see being a great player once hes learned to play with his brain to add to his pace. But Ive seen nothing to suggest Mbenza is going to be anything of note. There must be a player in there ( you'd presume ) for him to be valued at anything like he is, but he hasn;'t shown any of it yet. I suspect if he was a youngster who'd come though our academy and put in the performances he has this season, most of those saying he'll be this and that would be saying he isn;t up to it and looking to offload him to a league 1 club on loan for a season. How about the cross for Mounie's header vs Burnley at home? Apart from Gary Roberts, I don't think I've seen anyone in my 20 years supporting Town whip in such a dangerous cross. Mounie literally couldn't miss. He's definitely found it tough, it's not an easy league to play your way into, especially as part of a struggling team. If we do keep hold of him and Diakhaby next year, in a (hopefully) successful side, these two who look like confidence players will take off big time. Fcuk me! I’ve put many a cross like that during my playing days and I was nowhere near a pro player!
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 11, 2019 11:23:06 GMT 1
Though I’d like you to be right, I suspect that will not be the case. Both players (despite better recent performances) lack two very important features required to play at a decent level: a footballing brain and a degree of physicality/bravery. What makes you say Diakhaby doesn't have a brain? He's consistently picked players out in good positions in recent games, played clever one twos, made intelligent runs to get through on goal. None of that happens if you don't have a brain Diakhaby's problem (Well it isn't a problem for him but it is for some of our fans) is that he looks a bit funny when he runs so that automatically makes him a poor player IMo its about taking the right option. He was certainly a lot better at that in his last game so if were just going by that then it seems harsh. But prior to that I think its been an ongoing issue with him. When to run with it, when to pass. Sometimes its like the more time he has to think about it, the more he makes the wrong choices. I haven't noticed him having a funny running style to be honest. Hes like shit off a shovel so doubt anyone who has cares a jot.
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