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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 11:37:34 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 11, 2019 11:37:34 GMT 1
He's starting to play well just hope he can keep it up. He could be a very useful player for us next season.
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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 11:47:47 GMT 1
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Post by schindlersmissed on Feb 11, 2019 11:47:47 GMT 1
Well if we are now legally obliged to pay anything like £12m for him, we really have cocked up big time IMO. That is a truly shocking bit of business for a player of his ability. Like the equivalent of selling Mooy for £5m. This is the official line given upon his signing. Hoyle at Qand A said we are committed to having to buy him in summer
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 11, 2019 11:51:34 GMT 1
This is the official line given upon his signing. Hoyle at Qand A said we are committed to having to buy him in summer Good.... He'll be an asset. Mark my words...
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 11, 2019 12:01:14 GMT 1
Hoyle at Qand A said we are committed to having to buy him in summer Good.... He'll be an asset. Mark my words... I seem to remember an interview where DH stated that it was loan fee plus signing fee equals £12m. We were essentially buying a player who had 2 years left on his contract, but for tax reasons Montpellier wished to structure the deal that way.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 11, 2019 12:08:03 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity.
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Post by royrace on Feb 11, 2019 12:16:11 GMT 1
My view is that in Mbenza there is a player in there but he's not up to Premier League level. As for Diakhaby, well....he was what we needed 5 months ago on Saturday, so you are naturally left scratching your head - was it DW who couldn't get the best out of him or was it purely confidence. What I would say is that on Saturday Arsenal didn't clatter him much and gave him a little space to work in. It will be interesting to see how he performs from here as I think JS will give him a go. As for the future for both, if they stay (and I think there is a question mark about that) will they be up to the relentless rigours of a physical Championship? As good as he was on Saturday I could still see why Wagner didn't fancy him in a 4231, Jan's 433 is more suited to him and Mbenza IMO. Its funny reading the comments on this thread from people thinking they're both gonna be world beaters based on one good performance from Adama and literally one good cross from Mbenza Also everyone completely discounting the inconsistency of wingers, even Junior Mendes looked good in one game, Scannell looked absolute quality in one game in ten, I'm hoping Diakhaby on Saturday wasn't a one off but its the first time hes delivered in a game this whole season. All of a sudden he's gonna be worth £20M next season and terrorise these crap championship defences week in week out I think all the doom and gloom this season has altered peoples perception, its been that bad that one good cross is considered reason for blind optimism!! Also people talking about championship defenders like they're non league level, there are some very good players in the championship and there are plenty of expensive PL players who get made to look very ordinary. Just trying to add some balance to the hype! One swallow...
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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 12:18:07 GMT 1
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 11, 2019 12:18:07 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. Like Lolley he may go on to shine in the Championship after struggling at Premier League level, especially with his pace. Look at that Traore at Wolves, nearly £20m they paid for him and he looks no better than Mbenza after doing so well at the level below. Not saying it will happen but I think there’s a good possibility that he could raise his value again next year.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 11, 2019 12:23:53 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. False equivalence - Lolley was never realistically going to realise potential value with us in the prem. why should we benefit from the value of potential that Forest have unlocked and unleashed, any more than we will from the sell on fee clause we no doubt insisted upon?
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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 12:32:42 GMT 1
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Post by townatheart on Feb 11, 2019 12:32:42 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. With hind sight yes sure looks that way, but at the time not quite so obvious (and still think much more to come from mbdnza).
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Post by dugnet on Feb 11, 2019 12:58:50 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. With hind sight yes sure looks that way, but at the time not quite so obvious (and still think much more to come from mbdnza). I disagree - there was always a player in Lolley, he also had a goal in him too. His problem was his injury record and not getting a decent run of games. Had he stayed fit I think he would have proved himself to be very decent. I know he lost possession and we conceded a goal last season against West Ham he also scored a cracker. I think he was a bit unlucky at Town as before he got injured in early 16/17 he looked like he could be very good. Anyway he's not here so it is a bit of a perfunctory discussion now.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 11, 2019 12:59:01 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. False equivalence - Lolley was never realistically going to realise potential value with us in the prem. why should we benefit from the value of potential that Forest have unlocked and unleashed, any more than we will from the sell on fee clause we no doubt insisted upon? We certainly hadn't managed to unlock the potential in Lolley that Forest have, but he was still streets ahead of Mbenza in what he contributes during a game. Has Mbenza done anything to suggest he could score a goal like Lolley did against West ham for example? Hes put in a couple of good crosses , thats about it, and people think from that hes going to tear the championship apart and be a steal at £12m!! It would be great if he can but other than the fact they want a ludicrous fee for him, theres been nothing to suggest he will.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 11, 2019 13:02:20 GMT 1
False equivalence - Lolley was never realistically going to realise potential value with us in the prem. why should we benefit from the value of potential that Forest have unlocked and unleashed, any more than we will from the sell on fee clause we no doubt insisted upon? We certainly hadn't managed to unlock the potential in Lolley that Forest have, but he was still streets ahead of Mbenza in what he contributes during a game. Has Mbenza done anything to suggest he could score a goal like Lolley did against West ham for example? Hes put in a couple of good crosses , thats about it, and people think from that hes going to tear the championship apart and be a steal at £12m!! It would be great if he can but other than the fact they want a ludicrous fee for him, theres been nothing to suggest he will. Don't you two know that Uncle Pecos has had Mbenza surgically removed from his siamese twin? This thread is about his brother...
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Post by ritchie on Feb 11, 2019 13:04:32 GMT 1
This comment won’t age well. Both Mbenza and Diakhaby will have good careers and go onto better things. Both have different qualities. Diakhaby has frightening pace and makes clever runs, Mbenza has a hell of a cross on him and looks techically very good with both feet. Well i hope youre right and Im wrong. Diakhaby i can see being a great player once hes learned to play with his brain to add to his pace. But Ive seen nothing to suggest Mbenza is going to be anything of note. There must be a player in there ( you'd presume ) for him to be valued at anything like he is, but he hasn;'t shown any of it yet. I suspect if he was a youngster who'd come though our academy and put in the performances he has this season, most of those saying he'll be this and that would be saying he isn;t up to it and looking to offload him to a league 1 club on loan for a season. To be fair slapps same things could be/were said about diakhaby a month ago
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Post by royrace on Feb 11, 2019 13:07:05 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. False equivalence - Lolley was never realistically going to realise potential value with us in the prem. why should we benefit from the value of potential that Forest have unlocked and unleashed, any more than we will from the sell on fee clause we no doubt insisted upon? The business in general has been bad, not just purchases. Lolley was part of the squad last year and contributed in patches, we got rid of Ince, Lolley, Hef and Malone because presumably we were so sure we'd brought in better players to replace them with. I call that blind optimism, a dangerous game to play when you've bought total unknown quantities and you're potentially only one season away from being back to championship football. All 4 of those players would have been valuable this season and as we now know they certainly would be next season, that's not just hindsight, it's common sense and not taking ill advised risks. You don't sell good squad players (good first team players in the case of Ince) unless you're certain you've replaced them. Just another aspect of the transfer dealing that was completely flawed along with purchases and non existent use of the loan market (in and out).
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 11, 2019 13:07:09 GMT 1
False equivalence - Lolley was never realistically going to realise potential value with us in the prem. why should we benefit from the value of potential that Forest have unlocked and unleashed, any more than we will from the sell on fee clause we no doubt insisted upon? We certainly hadn't managed to unlock the potential in Lolley that Forest have, but he was still streets ahead of Mbenza in what he contributes during a game. Has Mbenza done anything to suggest he could score a goal like Lolley did against West ham for example? Hes put in a couple of good crosses , thats about it, and people think from that hes going to tear the championship apart and be a steal at £12m!! It would be great if he can but other than the fact they want a ludicrous fee for him, theres been nothing to suggest he will. 8 goals in Ligue 1 last season suggests he could contribute a few goals in the championship He has played 20 minutes under Siewart. The only other times we've seen him were under Wagner's system and we're already seeing how much better Diakhaby looks now the defensive shackles are removed. If both stay then I think they'll comfortably be two of the best players in the Championship.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 11, 2019 13:08:56 GMT 1
This is the problem with the Premier League, or more specifically the financial disparity between the Premier League and the Championship. A team such as us can't blood youngsters - and despite the high costs involved (for us) that's what they are. The cost of relegation in monetary terms for all involved is too great which leads to safety first football, safety first decisions on players and a requirement for 100% ready made players.
Now we're all but down we can blood them and we are seeing the benefits of what a run of games could have done for Diakhaby and Bacuna, but you can see why the decision was made earlier on in the season to go with players that could be trusted - Peoples jobs are at stake.
These types of signings are what we should have been making in year 3 or 4 though, once we had a couple of genuine Premier League calibre wingers. Had we done that, Kachunga and even Chefkoch would have been suitable stand ins for a handful of games. You cant really have projects on the go in your first team in this league, other teams projects are out on loan or getting drip fed from the bench.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 11, 2019 13:12:19 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. Weve just paid that for a L1 player. Mbenza has done well at a much better level and is an u21 for a country producing serious talent. think you are underestimating the market..you're not getting a rapid, technically good ligue 1 goalscoring winger for 2-3m 12m might seem a lot now but i dont think it will be. its become obvious wagner was strangling our attackers a bit, lets see how they both do under the new management because diakhaby already looks a different player
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Post by CaptainHart on Feb 11, 2019 13:21:11 GMT 1
Odd that a player without a footballing brain has managed runs behind the defence to get one player sent off and to create a goal in our last two home games. As for his ability, I'd say his control, run and cross for Kachunga's chance against Everton was probably the best single piece of football from a Town attacker this season.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Feb 11, 2019 13:24:57 GMT 1
The thing you worry a bit about with players like Diakhaby and Mbenza are how they will react to being kicked about on a wet Tuesday night at somewhere like Millwall or Rotherham (if they avoid dropping to lg1). But they are representative of players of their generation I guess so we will have to work them as best we can if they are here next season, if they keep getting regular starts the assumption is they will.
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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 13:30:23 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 11, 2019 13:30:23 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. Weve just paid that for a L1 player. Mbenza has done well at a much better level and is an u21 for a country producing serious talent. think you are underestimating the market..you're not getting a rapid, technically good ligue 1 goalscoring winger for 2-3m 12m might seem a lot now but i dont think it will be. its become obvious wagner was strangling our attackers a bit, lets see how they both do under the new management because diakhaby already looks a different player This is the Slapps-price index, we've seen it in action before 😂 Don't get me wrong, it does seem steep based on what we have seen, but the market is hugely inflated and we're seen as cash rich compared to our equivalents in other countries. There's no way his background equated to £2-3m in today's market, even if he subsequently fails and eventually goes for that.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 11, 2019 13:33:08 GMT 1
hell be an asset worth about £2m - £3m though. Not the reported £12m we'll be spaffing out for him. Weve cocked up big time! Weve let Lolley go for a fraction of what hes worth a year later, and brought in a player worth a fraction of what we're paying for him! Thats propper brain fart transfer activity. Weve just paid that for a L1 player. Mbenza has done well at a much better level and is an u21 for a country producing serious talent. think you are underestimating the market..you're not getting a rapid, technically good ligue 1 goalscoring winger for 2-3m 12m might seem a lot now but i dont think it will be. its become obvious wagner was strangling our attackers a bit, lets see how they both do under the new management because diakhaby already looks a different player Obviously I hope youre right. Just don;t know what anyones basing this on. Certainly can;t be anything hes done on the pitch in a Town shirt , 2 good crosses apart. You might not be able to get a rapid, technically good, goalscoring winger for 2-3m from Ligue 1, but from how hes played we might not be getting one for £12m either! Think the shackles under wagner argument is a weak one. Whatever the tactics, Wagner didn;t make him pull out of any physical challenge, not be able to make a pass or come nearer to hitting the corner flag with shots than the goal.
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Post by H7 on Feb 11, 2019 13:36:09 GMT 1
This might have been said before as I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, and it is possibly an unpopular opinion but I really don't think Diakhaby (and Mbenza for that matter) will be with Town in the Champ next year. They are clearly very effective players played in the correct system as we are now seeing with Diakhaby. My feeling is they won't be short of offers and will go back to Ligue 1. I'd be delighted if they stayed as they offer something Town haven't had for years that being genuine pace.
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Feb 11, 2019 13:42:07 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Feb 11, 2019 13:42:07 GMT 1
This might have been said before as I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, and it is possibly an unpopular opinion but I really don't think Diakhaby (and Mbenza for that matter) will be with Town in the Champ next year. They are clearly very effective players played in the correct system as we are now seeing with Diakhaby. My feeling is they won't be short of offers and will go back to Ligue 1. I'd be delighted if they stayed as they offer something Town haven't had for years that being genuine pace. Interesting angle, at least if you're correct we should have £20M to fund replacements. Decent money at championship level even with the crazy prices.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 11, 2019 13:49:18 GMT 1
Weve just paid that for a L1 player. Mbenza has done well at a much better level and is an u21 for a country producing serious talent. think you are underestimating the market..you're not getting a rapid, technically good ligue 1 goalscoring winger for 2-3m 12m might seem a lot now but i dont think it will be. its become obvious wagner was strangling our attackers a bit, lets see how they both do under the new management because diakhaby already looks a different player Obviously I hope youre right. Just don;t know what anyones basing this on. Certainly can;t be anything hes done on the pitch in a Town shirt , 2 good crosses apart. You might not be able to get a rapid, technically good, goalscoring winger for 2-3m from Ligue 1, but from how hes played we might not be getting one for £12m either! Think the shackles under wagner argument is a weak one. Whatever the tactics, Wagner didn;t make him pull out of any physical challenge, not be able to make a pass or come nearer to hitting the corner flag with shots than the goal. Absolutely - he's not done anything so far.....but that doesnt 'weve had our pants pulled down' or that he's not going to be worth that. we bought him on what we have seen he can do and he's still got plenty of time to prove whether the fee is justified or not. a month ago most folk would have said we were ripped off had we paid 500k for diakhaby You yourself mention lolley, who is now being talked about as being worth MORE than we paid for mbenza. would anyone on here have thought that 12 months ago? imagine if we'd have paid 12m for the lolley that played here! Our club, montpellier and a fantastic international set up have all seen something in him
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Post by ritchie on Feb 11, 2019 13:53:10 GMT 1
This might have been said before as I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, and it is possibly an unpopular opinion but I really don't think Diakhaby (and Mbenza for that matter) will be with Town in the Champ next year. They are clearly very effective players played in the correct system as we are now seeing with Diakhaby. My feeling is they won't be short of offers and will go back to Ligue 1. I'd be delighted if they stayed as they offer something Town haven't had for years that being genuine pace. Even with a relegation wage drop i doubt many french clubs, the big 2-3 aside, could pay what they will be getting here. They will likely stay unless we dont want them
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Post by CaptainHart on Feb 11, 2019 13:56:19 GMT 1
This might have been said before as I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, and it is possibly an unpopular opinion but I really don't think Diakhaby (and Mbenza for that matter) will be with Town in the Champ next year. They are clearly very effective players played in the correct system as we are now seeing with Diakhaby. My feeling is they won't be short of offers and will go back to Ligue 1. I'd be delighted if they stayed as they offer something Town haven't had for years that being genuine pace. I doubt the Ligue 1 clubs who'd be interested in them could get near the wages we would be offering in the Championship.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 11, 2019 14:00:19 GMT 1
Also probably a much better prospect career wise playing in a (hopefully) promotion chasing to the PL team than in a lower Ligue1 side. The food and drink is crap in france as well
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Post by Amigo on Feb 11, 2019 14:01:24 GMT 1
Joe Lolley had 4 and a half years to do something here and didn't, it wasn't like he wasn't given time.
Diakhaby and Mbenza have both looked useful recently so let's give them a chance first. Lolley had 4 years more here than they have. If they'd played all season I think we'd see different players as they've both performed better the more they've played.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 11, 2019 14:54:29 GMT 1
Joe Lolley had 4 and a half years to do something here and didn't, it wasn't like he wasn't given time. Diakhaby and Mbenza have both looked useful recently so let's give them a chance first. Lolley had 4 years more here than they have. If they'd played all season I think we'd see different players as they've both performed better the more they've played. Her only ever got four and half minutes per game under Powell. Wagner seemed to have turned him into an exciting prospect but then he got injured and when he came back it was like he was back to sqaure one again.
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Diakhaby
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 11, 2019 14:58:57 GMT 1
Odd that a player without a footballing brain has managed runs behind the defence to get one player sent off and to create a goal in our last two home games. As for his ability, I'd say his control, run and cross for Kachunga's chance against Everton was probably the best single piece of football from a Town attacker this season. Odd but true. Usain Bolt would get one or two players sent off with his pace but it doesn’t mean he is a natural at football.
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