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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 7, 2019 8:17:14 GMT 1
As ive stated 50 times before, a 50 times stated piece of baseless conjecture is still baseless conjecture
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Post by townatheart on Jun 7, 2019 8:27:30 GMT 1
As ive stated 50 times before, a 50 times stated piece of baseless conjecture is still baseless conjecture While that may well be true (and I for one do agree), consider just where would DATM (and all the other social media sites for that matter) be without it   |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 7, 2019 8:30:15 GMT 1
As ive stated 50 times before, a 50 times stated piece of baseless conjecture is still baseless conjecture While that may well be true (and I for one do agree), consider just where would DATM (and all the other social media sites for that matter) be without it Fair point.. but don't repeat it in three days saying "As I've already told you" cos we heard you the first time;-) |
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Post by bigtruck on Jun 7, 2019 8:52:57 GMT 1
Its well documented on here.. From multiple sources.. Billing has been a 1st rate flange panda. The sooner we get rid the better. We need grafters this season.. Not ponsy show ponies.. I'm going to defend Phil Billing. To begin: Firstly he has clearly been a 'disgrace' as Dean Hoyle described such players at the Q&A since Siewert came in. Clearly a personality, player/manager clash and has pretty much stated he stopped trying. Secondly David Wagner said he had it all, he just needed to understand the dedication and aggression needed to take him to the top. It was clear from pres-season the penny had dropped for Billing and for the first 3rd of the season he was consistently excellent. So my defense of Phil Billing. I've met him twice and both times he gave all his time to everyone, was very decent and a really good lad. One time sticks out most, I had a ticket in the North Stand (family stand) and he wasn't playing that day. Yet he was simply around in the open area by the stand, not looking for attention just there, probably waiting for the game to start. People recgonised him, families and people started to come up for a chat and photo's. Again without coming across as a 'big time charlie' he gave everyone time, photos and interactions. He was simply a really nice lad. It was similar on the second occasion I met him. On his twitter feed he has "Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are" ... And I think that sums him up and also sums up what has gone wrong at Town with him and Siewert. Straight up, he is a decent lad but will simply kick back if you go in shouting at him. I've met many people like this. If the coach has a conversation with him ( a joint thing) and Phil gets/understands why he would be being asked to do something then I think you get 100% + more from him. I think that is what Wagner got from him, whereas Siewerts shock-therapy (not that the squad didn't need kick up the arse) got the opposite effect from Phil. I don't think he is high-maintenance. I just think he has also had some poor advice over the last 6 months. Good luck to him as he has the ability to be one hell of a player if he wants to be. I expect him to leave in the summer. They're all good points but I'm in the camp that didn't see this excellent first 3rd of a season he supposedly had but that's all opinions. His billy big b***ocks attitude started well before Siewart came in though. Maybe its the fault of the people who are in his ear away from the dressing room but he's archetypal modern day spoilt footballer that thinks he's better than he actually is. The personality/attitude twitter thing is nonsense though. Thats just passing the buck and not taking responsibility for his own attitude, which IMO stinks. |
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Post by Tiro on Jun 7, 2019 13:39:54 GMT 1
As I have previously stated Billings problems are his family, principally his stepfather and his agent, He has just had to much crap advice, apparently he is a really nice lad. I’ve kept quiet in this debate because I don’t want to say things that are private, but this is pure shit. Happy to clarify by DM if you like. Otherwise, just what are you basing this on? If you’re going to make such claims you should back them up. It’s wrong to speculate about his family, as if ITK, and then admit to not knowing the lad. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:47:10 GMT 1
Its well documented on here.. From multiple sources.. Billing has been a 1st rate flange panda. The sooner we get rid the better. We need grafters this season.. Not ponsy show ponies.. I'm going to defend Phil Billing. To begin: Firstly he has clearly been a 'disgrace' as Dean Hoyle described such players at the Q&A since Siewert came in. Clearly a personality, player/manager clash and has pretty much stated he stopped trying. Secondly David Wagner said he had it all, he just needed to understand the dedication and aggression needed to take him to the top. It was clear from pres-season the penny had dropped for Billing and for the first 3rd of the season he was consistently excellent. So my defense of Phil Billing. I've met him twice and both times he gave all his time to everyone, was very decent and a really good lad. One time sticks out most, I had a ticket in the North Stand (family stand) and he wasn't playing that day. Yet he was simply around in the open area by the stand, not looking for attention just there, probably waiting for the game to start. People recgonised him, families and people started to come up for a chat and photo's. Again without coming across as a 'big time charlie' he gave everyone time, photos and interactions. He was simply a really nice lad. It was similar on the second occasion I met him. On his twitter feed he has "Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are" ... And I think that sums him up and also sums up what has gone wrong at Town with him and Siewert. Straight up, he is a decent lad but will simply kick back if you go in shouting at him. I've met many people like this. If the coach has a conversation with him ( a joint thing) and Phil gets/understands why he would be being asked to do something then I think you get 100% + more from him. I think that is what Wagner got from him, whereas Siewerts shock-therapy (not that the squad didn't need kick up the arse) got the opposite effect from Phil. I don't think he is high-maintenance. I just think he has also had some poor advice over the last 6 months. Good luck to him as he has the ability to be one hell of a player if he wants to be. I expect him to leave in the summer. i agree about his ability but as you say he has been given some bad advice but whatever happens we move on because no player manager or even owners are biggr than the club |
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Post by pharaohx on Jun 7, 2019 13:51:06 GMT 1
I'm going to defend Phil Billing. To begin: Firstly he has clearly been a 'disgrace' as Dean Hoyle described such players at the Q&A since Siewert came in. Clearly a personality, player/manager clash and has pretty much stated he stopped trying. Secondly David Wagner said he had it all, he just needed to understand the dedication and aggression needed to take him to the top. It was clear from pres-season the penny had dropped for Billing and for the first 3rd of the season he was consistently excellent. So my defense of Phil Billing. I've met him twice and both times he gave all his time to everyone, was very decent and a really good lad. One time sticks out most, I had a ticket in the North Stand (family stand) and he wasn't playing that day. Yet he was simply around in the open area by the stand, not looking for attention just there, probably waiting for the game to start. People recgonised him, families and people started to come up for a chat and photo's. Again without coming across as a 'big time charlie' he gave everyone time, photos and interactions. He was simply a really nice lad. It was similar on the second occasion I met him. On his twitter feed he has "Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are" ... And I think that sums him up and also sums up what has gone wrong at Town with him and Siewert. Straight up, he is a decent lad but will simply kick back if you go in shouting at him. I've met many people like this. If the coach has a conversation with him ( a joint thing) and Phil gets/understands why he would be being asked to do something then I think you get 100% + more from him. I think that is what Wagner got from him, whereas Siewerts shock-therapy (not that the squad didn't need kick up the arse) got the opposite effect from Phil. I don't think he is high-maintenance. I just think he has also had some poor advice over the last 6 months. Good luck to him as he has the ability to be one hell of a player if he wants to be. I expect him to leave in the summer. They're all good points but I'm in the camp that didn't see this excellent first 3rd of a season he supposedly had but that's all opinions. His billy big b***ocks attitude started well before Siewart came in though. Maybe its the fault of the people who are in his ear away from the dressing room but he's archetypal modern day spoilt footballer that thinks he's better than he actually is. The personality/attitude twitter thing is nonsense though. Thats just passing the buck and not taking responsibility for his own attitude, which IMO stinks. I thought he was arguably our best player in the first third of the season - and certainly the most improved. The stats seemed to support this. And his long throws were our biggest goal threat. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jun 7, 2019 16:41:50 GMT 1
As I have previously stated Billings problems are his family, principally his stepfather and his agent, He has just had to much crap advice, apparently he is a really nice lad. I’ve kept quiet in this debate because I don’t want to say things that are private, but this is pure shit. Happy to clarify by DM if you like. Otherwise, just what are you basing this on? If you’re going to make such claims you should back them up. It’s wrong to speculate about his family, as if ITK, and then admit to not knowing the lad. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jun 7, 2019 16:42:16 GMT 1
Quite simple , I know his agent.
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Post by mightytj on Jun 7, 2019 17:38:24 GMT 1
Quite simple , I know his agent. Yeah his agents gonna describe him as a lazy arrogant bastard isn’t he, oh hang on, hes not ‘apparently’ it’s his family |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 7, 2019 17:39:35 GMT 1
Quite simple , I know his agent. Yeah his agents gonna describe him as a lazy arrogant bastard isn’t he, oh hang on, hes not ‘apparently’ it’s his family If you read what he wrote he blamed the agent along with the stepfather |
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Post by mightytj on Jun 7, 2019 19:10:42 GMT 1
Yeah his agents gonna describe him as a lazy arrogant bastard isn’t he, oh hang on, hes not ‘apparently’ it’s his family If you read what he wrote he blamed the agent along with the stepfather Apologies to Portugal but my point is that Biling is a cock |
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Post by Big Ern on Jun 7, 2019 19:41:20 GMT 1
If you read what he wrote he blamed the agent along with the stepfather Apologies to Portugal but my point is that Biling is a cock And what are you basing that on? |
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Post by mightytj on Jun 7, 2019 22:31:13 GMT 1
Apologies to Portugal but my point is that Biling is a cock And what are you basing that on? At least 63 of the 65 pages of this thread, but hey, apparently he’s a good guy and misunderstood, sorry |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 7, 2019 22:52:54 GMT 1
Apologies to Portugal but my point is that Biling is a cock And what are you basing that on? Hes contracted to huddersfield town... yet felt it appropriate to slag off the new manager and state hes looking for a move after the previous one fell through.... on the cock scale.... hes a 12" black mamba. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 23:44:52 GMT 1
And what are you basing that on? Hes contracted to huddersfield town... yet felt it appropriate to slag off the new manager and state hes looking for a move after the previous one fell through.... on the cock scale.... hes a 12" black mamba. It's worse than that, I hear he eats avocado and poached egg on rye bread on a morning the absolute whopper |
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Post by Tiro on Jun 7, 2019 23:45:08 GMT 1
Quite simple , I know his agent. Yeah his agents gonna describe him as a lazy arrogant bastard isn’t he, oh hang on, hes not ‘apparently’ it’s his family Mind blowing. Like his fucking agent isn’t going to get his client the best deal he can. That’s his job. And, in the meantime, you give it to his dad (a man who is a million times the dad that his biological father is). Like he doesn’t want the best for Phil. Yet, you know his agent and think he’s giving him bad advice and are willing spout on a public domain that it’s their fault. Never mind though, you hear Phil is nice lad. |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 7, 2019 23:50:39 GMT 1
Hes contracted to huddersfield town... yet felt it appropriate to slag off the new manager and state hes looking for a move after the previous one fell through.... on the cock scale.... hes a 12" black mamba. It's worse than that, I hear he eats avocado and poached egg on rye bread on a morning the absolute whopper Fuck off.... who has the time to mash an avocado and poach an egg.... rye bread? Not seen that in fucking lidl... spoilt bellend, time to go when you progress from lidl to the co-OP. The tosspot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 0:15:14 GMT 1
It's worse than that, I hear he eats avocado and poached egg on rye bread on a morning the absolute whopper Fuck off.... who has the time to mash an avocado and poach an egg.... rye bread? Not seen that in fucking lidl... spoilt bellend, time to go when you progress from lidl to the co-OP. The tosspot. You should open your Lidl beady eyes, rye bread is definitely sold there |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jun 8, 2019 0:34:36 GMT 1
Shadowplay, Phil Billing is contracted and paid by Town, on the advice of various parties he has “downed tools” become disruptive in an attempt to force a “get rid at any price” move away from his contractual obligations, this is hardly attractive to future employers, apart from time and effort put in by Town this attitude does not put him in a very good light.
Am sure you are aware of the rumoured upfront payments to his stepdad, presumably these now require “repaying”. Anyway good look to him with his future career, agents are only acting for themselves, no transfers, no fees.
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Post by Tiro on Jun 8, 2019 1:06:01 GMT 1
Shadowplay, Phil Billing is contracted and paid by Town, on the advice of various parties he has “downed tools” become disruptive in an attempt to force a “get rid at any price” move away from his contractual obligations, this is hardly attractive to future employers, apart from time and effort put in by Town this attitude does not put him in a very good light. Am sure you are aware of the rumoured upfront payments to his stepdad, presumably these now require “repaying”. Anyway good look to him with his future career, agents are only acting for themselves, no transfers, no fees. “Downed tools” “Rumoured” It’s all speculation. And for payments to his dad. So what? You reckon this is the first time a parent acted on behalf of their son in football? Give me a break. All sensationalism. No substance. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jun 8, 2019 3:13:02 GMT 1
Unfortunately there is substance, however I truly hope Phil Billing sorts himself out and stays at Town and takes his career and Town back to the next level.
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Post by froggyterrier on Jun 8, 2019 7:15:22 GMT 1
You play to your own strengths.
Our squad is crying out for a left sided player who can operate at full back, wing back, wide midfield or on the wing.
There are some good ones out there, Robbie Brady would have been the ideal had we survived. However, there is a stand out in the championship who we could certainly afford and who would be my first choice.
Ben Osborn.
Our main strength is our spine. Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Hogg, Billing (Bacuna if Billing leaves however) and Pritchard. Setting these players in there best positions is;
-- Schindler - Kongolo --
- Hogg - Billing - Mooy -
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Include a goalkeeper (it should be Coleman for the first half of the season minimum, if he's not given the opportunity now, the he never will be) and that leaves 4 players to add in.
With a tight 3 + 1 link player midfield, our approach should be to dominate the ball and play possession football. We need width to stretch the game to help us do that, so 2 good wide players are essential.
We don't have any natural wide men. That is a problem.
You can make an argument that on the right, Smith deserves his starting spot and Hadergjonaj is more offensive minded, so we have a solid defensive option and a more attacking option. But Flo hasn't cut the mustard and Smith, as reliable as he has been for us, isn't the ideal player for a system that asks for full backs to be up the field more than they are back. Move on Hadergjonaj and bring in a proven option. Would anyone say no to someone like Kyle Naughton or Andy Yiadom coming in? Ultimately though, it's a position we could plan to address in January.
On the left, we have nobody. Assuming Kongolo is to start at centre half next to Schindler, which is should, our options are youth players. They should be given chances, but it is the most pressing position for us to fill to build the strongest side viable for next season. Osborn is the pick for me.
A great thing about playing this set up is that we can play with 2 forwards. We have;
Mounié, Grant, Mbenza, Pyke & Diakhaby.
Target man, poacher, on-the-shoulder, youth player & wide forward.
Adama is more of a wing forward to play in a front 3 to me, but I can see him being a dangerous option in a front 2. The other 4, pick depending on the opposition and the game. I think we have space for another forward who can drift out wide and could play in a 3, but we have a lot of good attackers there to slot into a 2.
I should say that one of my big frustrations of the first 3rd of last season was the unwillingness we saw to play with 2 up front and try to force the initiative be being aggression and attack minded. In a lower division this season, I want 2 forwards in every game.
So, with only buying 1 player who we could get for a only few million, we have a team & bench of;
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Smith --- Hogg - Billing - Mooy --- Osborn
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----------------- Mounié - Mbenza -----------------
Hamer - Hadergjonaj - Stankovic - Bacuna - O'brien - Diakhaby - Grant
Room for improvement, for sure. But a balanced 11 built to it's players strengths with options from the bench that can swap in like-for-like or change the system as required. I'd still like to see a different option for the right flank a few younger/lower league prospects brought in and gambled on as squad options - Ben Brereton and Matt Clarke from Blackburn & Portsmouth in particular would be brilliant signings for depth & both could easily force their way into the starting line-up.
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Post by cameo on Jun 8, 2019 8:46:00 GMT 1
Unfortunately there is substance, however I truly hope Phil Billing sorts himself out and stays at Town and takes his career and Town back to the next level. Things will need to change internally and with the player under the new chairman and manager if Billing is to stay. The mood towards the end of last season was to move him on as quickly as possible during the summer. It’s important to say at this point that Billiing was probably singled out publically, maybe more than certain other players who were no less deserving of that critism due to the resource Town had invested in him over the years. Siewert knowingly inherited a squad already fractured. Just a side note to help the point - we all sat open jawed when Hudson announced his line up against Man City. Brave? Adventurous? Have a go? No, his hand was forced by players available following a training ground incident that spilled over into the next day. Siewerts aproach pushed split that further with some players instantly taking offence to what was said and to the increased training regime. He deemed them not to be fit enough. There were several incidents in training between players which esculated when Bacuna took out Jason Puncheon. The split between players becoming clearly evident following that dust up. When A small group including Billing asked The club/team captains to approach Siewert regarding the high level of training for a team already being relegated, he called a team meeting the following day. The whole 1st team squad and coaching staff spent 4 hours in that meeting. They were told it was an open room and to treat it as such. What exactly was said in there only the people in that room may ever know but following that meeting, the dynamics changed and we as fans began to see the effect of that within team selections. The rebuilding will be difficult. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 8:59:02 GMT 1
Thanks Cameo . That's meat on the bones of problems which have been apparent . As you say singling Billing out when its clear there were a few of the same mind is wrong. And yes it will be a massive job to turn it round . Is it a job for the young inexperienced Siewert? I have my doubts but as Positive says, " time will tell "
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Post by townrwe on Jun 8, 2019 9:26:10 GMT 1
Apologies to Portugal but my point is that Biling is a cock And what are you basing that on? Whilst I realise your looking for physical evidence..... I know for a fact that he hasn't been putting his all into huddersfield and engineered a move in January..... someone well respected and that no-one on here would have a bad word for and would be privy to intimate club information described him as a c#$t.... that's all the evidence I need... later deano spoke of the disgraces... I dont think it needs spelling out to realise that hes not given his 100% to town over the past 2 years. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 8, 2019 10:24:12 GMT 1
Whatever happened Siewart gave Billing a chance at West Ham and got repaid with a non-performance. As for Bacuna taking Puncheon out, good.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 8, 2019 10:28:37 GMT 1
cant see any club paying for kill bill !
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Post by townrwe on Jun 8, 2019 10:34:57 GMT 1
Unfortunately there is substance, however I truly hope Phil Billing sorts himself out and stays at Town and takes his career and Town back to the next level. Things will need to change internally and with the player under the new chairman and manager if Billing is to stay. The mood towards the end of last season was to move him on as quickly as possible during the summer. It’s important to say at this point that Billiing was probably singled out publically, maybe more than certain other players who were no less deserving of that critism due to the resource Town had invested in him over the years. Siewert knowingly inherited a squad already fractured. Just a side note to help the point - we all sat open jawed when Hudson announced his line up against Man City. Brave? Adventurous? Have a go? No, his hand was forced by players available following a training ground incident that spilled over into the next day. Siewerts aproach pushed split that further with some players instantly taking offence to what was said and to the increased training regime. He deemed them not to be fit enough. There were several incidents in training between players which esculated when Bacuna took out Jason Puncheon. The split between players becoming clearly evident following that dust up. When A small group including Billing asked The club/team captains to approach Siewert regarding the high level of training for a team already being relegated, he called a team meeting the following day. The whole 1st team squad and coaching staff spent 4 hours in that meeting. They were told it was an open room and to treat it as such. What exactly was said in there only the people in that room may ever know but following that meeting, the dynamics changed and we as fans began to see the effect of that within team selections. The rebuilding will be difficult. I'd missed this, just confirms the rumours that have been going around since January. If anything it should at least let fans focus on the real problems and they were established during Wagners tenure, he was obviously well respected and on top of discipline, but the second he left it all kicked off and before even seiwert entered the building. ITS THE PLAYERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM. Or at least some of them. BACUNA GOING IN ON PUNCHEON!!! fucking good the useless piece of skin. I dont see it as the rebuilding being difficult, You simply take the players that continued to be professional and weed out those that weren't. You can guarantee that if you weaken the disgraces group then they will all get out... start with Zanka he seems influential we have already got rid of lossl, puncheon and Depoitre. Billing will either leave or tow the line, hadj will find a club to take him.. you wont be left with a big group of disgraces and the rest will either tow the line or be sidelined completely. Hogg lost his captaincy over it, but carried on playing and putting it in, which suggests that he is on board along with the English players grant and particularly Pritchard whom once he got in the team towards the end of the season, genuinely looked to give it his all, hogg and Schindler will have influence over the others that remain in the changing room, bacuna, kongolo and rvlp will be on the remain side. The German players as well. Diakhaby and mBenza. If we could get rid of the majority of the rest. Mooy is the one that I'd wonder where he is at, I doubt he got involved and probably just shook his head thinking it was all pretty pathetic. I would imagine he will see what happens before either requesting a move or accepting a move to a relegation threatened premier league team... if he sees the team going in the right direction he may well stay. Without mentioning names cameo... would this be a reasonable assumption of the players that weren't the disgraces. Smith Schindler stanks kongolo Bacuna Hogg Mooy Diakhaby Grant mBenza Kachunga, Mounie, Pritchard along with the kids. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 11:22:45 GMT 1
Unfortunately there is substance, however I truly hope Phil Billing sorts himself out and stays at Town and takes his career and Town back to the next level. Things will need to change internally and with the player under the new chairman and manager if Billing is to stay. The mood towards the end of last season was to move him on as quickly as possible during the summer. It’s important to say at this point that Billiing was probably singled out publically, maybe more than certain other players who were no less deserving of that critism due to the resource Town had invested in him over the years. Siewert knowingly inherited a squad already fractured. Just a side note to help the point - we all sat open jawed when Hudson announced his line up against Man City. Brave? Adventurous? Have a go? No, his hand was forced by players available following a training ground incident that spilled over into the next day. Siewerts aproach pushed split that further with some players instantly taking offence to what was said and to the increased training regime. He deemed them not to be fit enough. There were several incidents in training between players which esculated when Bacuna took out Jason Puncheon. The split between players becoming clearly evident following that dust up. When A small group including Billing asked The club/team captains to approach Siewert regarding the high level of training for a team already being relegated, he called a team meeting the following day. The whole 1st team squad and coaching staff spent 4 hours in that meeting. They were told it was an open room and to treat it as such. What exactly was said in there only the people in that room may ever know but following that meeting, the dynamics changed and we as fans began to see the effect of that within team selections. The rebuilding will be difficult. your post has substance but as for rebuilding things change and ive no worrys on that score. siewart made his views clear and that is his job as coach. we move on.THINGS WILL MOVE FOREWARD BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS. |
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