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Post by ritchie on Jun 8, 2019 11:31:11 GMT 1
Things will need to change internally and with the player under the new chairman and manager if Billing is to stay. The mood towards the end of last season was to move him on as quickly as possible during the summer. It’s important to say at this point that Billiing was probably singled out publically, maybe more than certain other players who were no less deserving of that critism due to the resource Town had invested in him over the years. Siewert knowingly inherited a squad already fractured. Just a side note to help the point - we all sat open jawed when Hudson announced his line up against Man City. Brave? Adventurous? Have a go? No, his hand was forced by players available following a training ground incident that spilled over into the next day. Siewerts aproach pushed split that further with some players instantly taking offence to what was said and to the increased training regime. He deemed them not to be fit enough. There were several incidents in training between players which esculated when Bacuna took out Jason Puncheon. The split between players becoming clearly evident following that dust up. When A small group including Billing asked The club/team captains to approach Siewert regarding the high level of training for a team already being relegated, he called a team meeting the following day. The whole 1st team squad and coaching staff spent 4 hours in that meeting. They were told it was an open room and to treat it as such. What exactly was said in there only the people in that room may ever know but following that meeting, the dynamics changed and we as fans began to see the effect of that within team selections. The rebuilding will be difficult. your post has substance but as for rebuilding things change and ive no worrys on that score. siewart made his views clear and that is his job as coach. we move on.THINGS WILL MOVE FOREWARD BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS. cheers for that positive, good to get clarification.  |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jun 8, 2019 11:54:01 GMT 1
Thanks Cameo . That's meat on the bones of problems which have been apparent . As you say singling Billing out when its clear there were a few of the same mind is wrong. And yes it will be a massive job to turn it round . Is it a job for the young inexperienced Siewert? I have my doubts but as Positive says, " time will tell " You had your doubts about Wagner when he first started I recall, maybe its a a lucky omen. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 12:10:51 GMT 1
Thanks Cameo . That's meat on the bones of problems which have been apparent . As you say singling Billing out when its clear there were a few of the same mind is wrong. And yes it will be a massive job to turn it round . Is it a job for the young inexperienced Siewert? I have my doubts but as Positive says, " time will tell " You had your doubts about Wagner when he first started I recall, maybe its a a lucky omen. I had doubts about Wagner for 2 matches .. which was actually to do with the fact that I felt (And still feel ) that Powell had been given a bit of a bum deal.. I was totally up for giving siewert a go and my analysis , correct or otherwise is based on that |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jun 8, 2019 12:23:42 GMT 1
You had your doubts about Wagner when he first started I recall, maybe its a a lucky omen. I had doubts about Wagner for 2 matches .. which was actually to do with the fact that I felt (And still feel ) that Powell had been given a bit of a bum deal.. I was totally up for giving siewert a go and my analysis , correct or otherwise is based on that "Analysis. hope you wore marigolds Doctor Chips |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 8, 2019 13:03:25 GMT 1
I had doubts about Wagner for 2 matches .. which was actually to do with the fact that I felt (And still feel ) that Powell had been given a bit of a bum deal.. I was totally up for giving siewert a go and my analysis , correct or otherwise is based on that "Analysis. hope you wore marigolds Doctor Chips I had doubts about Wagner until he had 'time' to bring players in and get the ethos across.. the 4 and 5 goal arseholings at the end of his first 'bit' of a season were a marker for where we were at the time he came in, same as Siewart.. I have doubts about any new manager whoever he is and whatever pomp and ceremony accompanies his arrival..or even 'low key' appointments from Germany! I am always up for giving managers a fair go with time and their own players and systems but having played and watched foorball for only 50 years plus, I obviously bow to others greater experience and knowledge on picking out a 'bad egg' manager in such a quick time and under such circumstances.. Having given my opinion on the lack of spirit and adventure that killed our chances of staying in the top league as early as the middle of November , my only 'excuse' for this being the manager had been here for SOME time and had obviously lost his way, taking the players with him. Very different from opinions on a new bloke deep in the shit with some very poor influences in the team/dressing room? i have no problem with the new man 'falling out' with some of the playing staff as they were not 'playing' and the Wagner arm round technique and never blaming them for 'not being good enough' whilst never mentioning the lack of spirit or graft, had taken us 12 games without a win.. Extraordinary circumstances indeed even for us... |
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Post by arry11 on Jun 8, 2019 14:09:09 GMT 1
And what are you basing that on? Whilst I realise your looking for physical evidence..... I know for a fact that he hasn't been putting his all into huddersfield and engineered a move in January..... someone well respected and that no-one on here would have a bad word for and would be privy to intimate club information described him as a c#$t.... that's all the evidence I need... later deano spoke of the disgraces... I dont think it needs spelling out to realise that hes not given his 100% to town over the past 2 years. Not one person will ever believe in anything you say compulsive bullshitter. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 14:17:14 GMT 1
Whilst I realise your looking for physical evidence..... I know for a fact that he hasn't been putting his all into huddersfield and engineered a move in January..... someone well respected and that no-one on here would have a bad word for and would be privy to intimate club information described him as a c#$t.... that's all the evidence I need... later deano spoke of the disgraces... I dont think it needs spelling out to realise that hes not given his 100% to town over the past 2 years. Not one person will ever believe in anything you say compulsive bullshitter. Ironic that his post followed Cameo's |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 8, 2019 14:21:35 GMT 1
Not one person will ever believe in anything you say compulsive bullshitter. Ironic that his post followed Cameo's Apart from Cameos actually followed my post from earlier in the year.... but lets not allow facts to get in the way of the truth. I doubt Cameo read my post from earlier in the year just like I hadn't his at this point..... |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 14:25:28 GMT 1
Ironic that his post followed Cameo's Apart from Cameos actually followed my post from earlier in the year.... but lets not allow facts to get in the way of the truth. I doubt Cameo read my post from earlier in the year just like I hadn't his at this point..... Haha yeah I bet Cameo is really getting all his info from the news networks |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 8, 2019 14:38:27 GMT 1
Ironic that his post followed Cameo's Apart from Cameos actually followed my post from earlier in the year.... but lets not allow facts to get in the way of the truth. I doubt Cameo read my post from earlier in the year just like I hadn't his at this point..... So right townrwe, can you just imagine any poster who might let facts get in the way of the truth? Now think about it very carefully    |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 8, 2019 14:47:05 GMT 1
Apart from Cameos actually followed my post from earlier in the year.... but lets not allow facts to get in the way of the truth. I doubt Cameo read my post from earlier in the year just like I hadn't his at this point..... So right townrwe, can you just imagine any poster who might let facts get in the way of the truth? Now think about it very carefully 99% truth... with a bit of added jajaju for your entertainment! My record speaks for itself. No rumours this summer, no transfers. Funny that.  |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jun 8, 2019 14:47:41 GMT 1
Solid, dependable CB. I'd have him in a heartbeat. Brentford have been a good team for many years now but always seem to lack the necessary extra bit to go all of the way. Unlucky club. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 8, 2019 15:05:39 GMT 1
Solid, dependable CB. I'd have him in a heartbeat. Brentford have been a good team for many years now but always seem to lack the necessary extra bit to go all of the way. Unlucky club. Schindler's replacement. Would be decent alongside Kongolo |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 8, 2019 15:15:16 GMT 1
Solid, dependable CB. I'd have him in a heartbeat. Brentford have been a good team for many years now but always seem to lack the necessary extra bit to go all of the way. Unlucky club. Schindler's replacement. Would be decent alongside Kongolo Maybe Kongolo's replacement (hope not) as he can also play left back. Villa & Newcastle also reportedly interested so he must be decent. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 8, 2019 15:18:49 GMT 1
Schindler's replacement. Would be decent alongside Kongolo Maybe Kongolo's replacement (hope not) as he can also play left back. Villa & Newcastle also reportedly interested so he must be decent. By the sounds of it Schindler far more likely to leave than Kongolo We're not prepared to make a big loss on Kongolo and it's unlikely anyone will offer anything close to what we paid last summer. As good as Schindler is and has been, i'd say he's probably peaked now and if we can get close to £10 million for him then we can't really turn it down. Cost us £2 million, earned us around £200 million and leaves for a decent profit. |
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Post by ACW on Jun 8, 2019 15:20:51 GMT 1
They're all good points but I'm in the camp that didn't see this excellent first 3rd of a season he supposedly had but that's all opinions. His billy big b***ocks attitude started well before Siewart came in though. Maybe its the fault of the people who are in his ear away from the dressing room but he's archetypal modern day spoilt footballer that thinks he's better than he actually is. The personality/attitude twitter thing is nonsense though. Thats just passing the buck and not taking responsibility for his own attitude, which IMO stinks. I thought he was arguably our best player in the first third of the season - and certainly the most improved. The stats seemed to support this. And his long throws were our biggest goal threat. The fact his long throws were our biggest goal threat says more about our utter impotence in the final third than the quality of the actual throws. His general play was good in the first part of the season though. Shame he couldn't keep it up. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 8, 2019 15:21:08 GMT 1
Maybe Kongolo's replacement (hope not) as he can also play left back. Villa & Newcastle also reportedly interested so he must be decent. By the sounds of it Schindler far more likely to leave than Kongolo We're not prepared to make a big loss on Kongolo and it's unlikely anyone will offer anything close to what we paid last summer. As good as Schindler is and has been, i'd say he's probably peaked now and if we can get close to £10 million for him then we can't really turn it down. Cost us £2 million, earned us around £200 million and leaves for a decent profit. While Schindler is one of the last players I would want to see leave, there is sense in what you say. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 15:22:56 GMT 1
I'd expect they would.both be out come deadline day .. hope I'm wrong because either would be awesome in this league
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Post by townatheart on Jun 8, 2019 15:22:59 GMT 1
The fact his long term brows were out biggest goal threat says more about our utter impotence in the final third than the quality of the actual throws. His general play was good in the first part of the season though. Shame he couldn't keep it up. Personally, IMO his "long throws" lost their impact a good while ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 16:10:37 GMT 1
The fact his long term brows were out biggest goal threat says more about our utter impotence in the final third than the quality of the actual throws. His general play was good in the first part of the season though. Shame he couldn't keep it up. Personally, IMO his "long throws" lost their impact a good while ago. There was one game last season at home where Billing actually indicated he couldn’t be arsed taking the long throw. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 16:14:15 GMT 1
Leonid Brezhnev was the master of the long term brows
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 8, 2019 16:21:11 GMT 1
Maybe Kongolo's replacement (hope not) as he can also play left back. Villa & Newcastle also reportedly interested so he must be decent. By the sounds of it Schindler far more likely to leave than Kongolo We're not prepared to make a big loss on Kongolo and it's unlikely anyone will offer anything close to what we paid last summer. As good as Schindler is and has been, i'd say he's probably peaked now and if we can get close to £10 million for him then we can't really turn it down. Cost us £2 million, earned us around £200 million and leaves for a decent profit. People keep implying we won't sell Kongola for a loss. I really don't get this. We will (or should) determine his current valuation on current circumstnces, whether that makes it the same, more or likely less. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 8, 2019 16:25:25 GMT 1
Personally, IMO his "long throws" lost their impact a good while ago. There was one game last season at home where Billing actually indicated he couldn’t be arsed taking the long throw. I would also stab a guess that about 70% of his ‘long’ throws didn’t even beat the first man. |
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Post by willo on Jun 8, 2019 17:35:09 GMT 1
You had your doubts about Wagner when he first started I recall, maybe its a a lucky omen. I had doubts about Wagner for 2 matches .. which was actually to do with the fact that I felt (And still feel ) that Powell had been given a bit of a bum deal.. I was totally up for giving siewert a go and my analysis , correct or otherwise is based on that You could argue there was some real positives from both of Wagner’s opening 2 games, Wednesday away & Boro at home. The difference compared to Chris Powell was obvious to all watching. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 17:47:53 GMT 1
I had doubts about Wagner for 2 matches .. which was actually to do with the fact that I felt (And still feel ) that Powell had been given a bit of a bum deal.. I was totally up for giving siewert a go and my analysis , correct or otherwise is based on that You could argue there was some real positives from both of Wagner’s opening 2 games, Wednesday away & Boro at home. The difference compared to Chris Powell was obvious to all watching. Absolutely .. I went to the home game not the away game and after it I said I was happy to go with Wagner even if we got relegated I thought he could be something special. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 8, 2019 20:13:55 GMT 1
You had your doubts about Wagner when he first started I recall, maybe its a a lucky omen. I had doubts about Wagner for 2 matches .. which was actually to do with the fact that I felt (And still feel ) that Powell had been given a bit of a bum deal.. I was totally up for giving siewert a go and my analysis , correct or otherwise is based on that I went further and self-imposed a 3 month ban on attending Town games as I believed (and still do) that Powell had a raw deal. My bad, I guess. |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 8, 2019 20:19:20 GMT 1
You could argue there was some real positives from both of Wagner’s opening 2 games, Wednesday away & Boro at home. The difference compared to Chris Powell was obvious to all watching. Absolutely .. I went to the home game not the away game and after it I said I was happy to go with Wagner even if we got relegated I thought he could be something special. But siewert came in after some turgid football probably worse than under Powell and actually made us look an attacking threat. Wagner had us super organised, but far too rigid, seiwert preferred a more fluid formation but players looked confused after been so rigid for 3 years, get some fresh players that listen to his message and haven't had creativity coached out of them and see what he can do. It was no surprise to me, that the players who had been here the shortest amount of time, or not played so many games thrived under seiwert, and those coached by wagners defensive mindset couldn't adapt quick enough. |
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Post by shawsie on Jun 8, 2019 20:27:42 GMT 1
Absolutely .. I went to the home game not the away game and after it I said I was happy to go with Wagner even if we got relegated I thought he could be something special. But siewert came in after some turgid football probably worse than under Powell and actually made us look an attacking threat. Wagner had us super organised, but far too rigid, seiwert preferred a more fluid formation but players looked confused after been so rigid for 3 years, get some fresh players that listen to his message and haven't had creativity coached out of them and see what he can do. It was no surprise to me, that the players who had been here the shortest amount of time, or not played so many games thrived under seiwert, and those coached by wagners defensive mindset couldn't adapt quick enough. Worse football than Powell?! Give over.....we were getting beaten until the very end of Wagner's time by world class teams.....and not that soundly at times. Powell gave up before we kicked a ball against the champshp so called big boys not some of Europe's elite. Wagner was undoubtedly defensive minded.....but we were still competing and if we'd had a 9 and 10 of note I still think wed have pushed to stop up. He's gone now though and time to move on.....seiwert should be given time and backing to give us a promotion bid. |
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