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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 8, 2019 20:38:03 GMT 1
I had doubts about Wagner for 2 matches .. which was actually to do with the fact that I felt (And still feel ) that Powell had been given a bit of a bum deal.. I was totally up for giving siewert a go and my analysis , correct or otherwise is based on that I went further and self-imposed a 3 month ban on attending Town games as I believed (and still do) that Powell had a raw deal. My bad, I guess. But honest.. And he was treated a bit unfairly. But I reckon the Wagner plan had been hatched in the summer and thank God it was |
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Post by arry11 on Jun 8, 2019 20:50:25 GMT 1
I went further and self-imposed a 3 month ban on attending Town games as I believed (and still do) that Powell had a raw deal. My bad, I guess. But honest.. And he was treated a bit unfairly. But I reckon the Wagner plan had been hatched in the summer and thank God it was At the time i thought he was unfairly sacked he had all his best players sold and we never replaced them, also he gave us more consistency which had been lacking under previous managers. Later on DH revealed that things behind the scenes were not hunky dory so it turned out the right move the rest is history. |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 8, 2019 20:50:46 GMT 1
But siewert came in after some turgid football probably worse than under Powell and actually made us look an attacking threat. Wagner had us super organised, but far too rigid, seiwert preferred a more fluid formation but players looked confused after been so rigid for 3 years, get some fresh players that listen to his message and haven't had creativity coached out of them and see what he can do. It was no surprise to me, that the players who had been here the shortest amount of time, or not played so many games thrived under seiwert, and those coached by wagners defensive mindset couldn't adapt quick enough. Worse football than Powell?! Give over.....we were getting beaten until the very end of Wagner's time by world class teams.....and not that soundly at times. Powell gave up before we kicked a ball against the champshp so called big boys not some of Europe's elite. Wagner was undoubtedly defensive minded.....but we were still competing and if we'd had a 9 and 10 of note I still think wed have pushed to stop up. He's gone now though and time to move on.....seiwert should be given time and backing to give us a promotion bid. It's all relative.... we have a 18m pound defender and 14m attacker along with two 10m pound wingers.. Powell had a 500k misfit from Middlesbrough and a 1m pound Bradford city striker. How many goals did we score under Wagner in the last 1 and 1/2 seasons? In the end he didn't really turn out much different to Powell, just with a bit of grayson/Clark in his early days. Seiwert at least seems to be 100% committed to attacking 433.... if he changes to a 541, well then that's just what happens at Town. Even in the championship Wagner played the defensive block.... was it at Bristol? Wednesday at home In the playoffs? He got the results, but his free flowing football was at the start of the championship season and the first 4 or 5 games of the premier league, he was defensive and quickly reverted to stopping the opposition scoring as his default position. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 8, 2019 21:02:13 GMT 1
If you read what he wrote he blamed the agent along with the stepfather Apologies to Portugal but my point is that Biling is a cock sadly agree, being CAUGHT outside a club smoking and talking to "ladies of the night" ie last may nailed this cockality |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 8, 2019 21:36:18 GMT 1
Very coincidently I have Just been speaking to Jan in huddersfield.... bumped into him in the bogs. Hes a nice guy, said that we will be very busy In the transfer window, disappointed with how last year worked out, but then Kevin Keeganed me with the old "I promise you, this year we will entertain you, trust me, I will bring players to entertain" with that he used the Dyson hand dryer like a pro, went for the door! and turned to me and said... "beating Leeds isn't enough" very sternly and rejoined his wife? and a couple I didn't recognise.
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Post by deadleg on Jun 8, 2019 21:52:36 GMT 1
By the sounds of it Schindler far more likely to leave than Kongolo We're not prepared to make a big loss on Kongolo and it's unlikely anyone will offer anything close to what we paid last summer. As good as Schindler is and has been, i'd say he's probably peaked now and if we can get close to £10 million for him then we can't really turn it down. Cost us £2 million, earned us around £200 million and leaves for a decent profit. People keep implying we won't sell Kongola for a loss. I really don't get this. We will (or should) determine his current valuation on current circumstnces, whether that makes it the same, more or likely less. Yeah, it seems very naive to me. If he wants a move (and, to be clear, I've seen nothing to suggest he's angling for one), he'll get a move. It's how football works. Hell, if we got an offer vaguely close to what we paid I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him either way because his market value will only fall once he's 'a Championship player' and his wages, reduced as they'll be by relegation, might not be enough to put us in immediate shit but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be tenable in the long-term. It could even be that we pushed the boat out a bit further that way for him because of his pedigree and because we knew he'd have interest if the worst came to the worst. |
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Post by shawsie on Jun 9, 2019 8:58:17 GMT 1
People keep implying we won't sell Kongola for a loss. I really don't get this. We will (or should) determine his current valuation on current circumstnces, whether that makes it the same, more or likely less. Yeah, it seems very naive to me. If he wants a move (and, to be clear, I've seen nothing to suggest he's angling for one), he'll get a move. It's how football works. Hell, if we got an offer vaguely close to what we paid I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him either way because his market value will only fall once he's 'a Championship player' and his wages, reduced as they'll be by relegation, might not be enough to put us in immediate shit but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be tenable in the long-term. It could even be that we pushed the boat out a bit further that way for him because of his pedigree and because we knew he'd have interest if the worst came to the worst. Every player has a price - but we won't take say a 5m offer for kongolo even if he would like to go. Most contracts have a sales clause in them but we shouldn't have to undertake a fire sale on billing, mounie, kongolo. Mooy is a bit different as at 29 we can't hold him too long as his age will go against any fee we may receive as time goes on. What's key now is that Jan gets the best out of who stays.....to get the best results first and foremost, and to ensure we get decent fees if we don't get back up in the short term. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 9, 2019 9:10:24 GMT 1
Yeah, it seems very naive to me. If he wants a move (and, to be clear, I've seen nothing to suggest he's angling for one), he'll get a move. It's how football works. Hell, if we got an offer vaguely close to what we paid I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him either way because his market value will only fall once he's 'a Championship player' and his wages, reduced as they'll be by relegation, might not be enough to put us in immediate shit but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be tenable in the long-term. It could even be that we pushed the boat out a bit further that way for him because of his pedigree and because we knew he'd have interest if the worst came to the worst. Every player has a price - but we won't take say a 5m offer for kongolo even if he would like to go. Most contracts have a sales clause in them but we shouldn't have to undertake a fire sale on billing, mounie, kongolo. Mooy is a bit different as at 29 we can't hold him too long as his age will go against any fee we may receive as time goes on. What's key now is that Jan gets the best out of who stays.....to get the best results first and foremost, and to ensure we get decent fees if we don't get back up in the short term. Kongolo was in the Dutch training camp last week - www.soccerladuma.co.za/news/articles/international/categories/international/netherlands-announce-uefa-nations-league-final-squad-5-stars-snubbed/655857We should expect a decent fee and equally kongolo will want to go as he’d be crazy not to push for a move while his stock is still high |
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Post by deadleg on Jun 9, 2019 10:28:56 GMT 1
Yeah, it seems very naive to me. If he wants a move (and, to be clear, I've seen nothing to suggest he's angling for one), he'll get a move. It's how football works. Hell, if we got an offer vaguely close to what we paid I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him either way because his market value will only fall once he's 'a Championship player' and his wages, reduced as they'll be by relegation, might not be enough to put us in immediate shit but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be tenable in the long-term. It could even be that we pushed the boat out a bit further that way for him because of his pedigree and because we knew he'd have interest if the worst came to the worst. Every player has a price - but we won't take say a 5m offer for kongolo even if he would like to go. Most contracts have a sales clause in them but we shouldn't have to undertake a fire sale on billing, mounie, kongolo. Mooy is a bit different as at 29 we can't hold him too long as his age will go against any fee we may receive as time goes on. What's key now is that Jan gets the best out of who stays.....to get the best results first and foremost, and to ensure we get decent fees if we don't get back up in the short term. Well no, £5m would obviously be ridiculous but I don't think anyone's suggesting anything that extreme. I wouldn't be especially surprised to see him go for £13m or £14m say, and that would still represent a big loss on what we supposedly paid. Many have been presenting his situation as either we get our money back or he stays, which seems overly simplistic to me. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 9, 2019 10:43:44 GMT 1
Worse football than Powell?! Give over.....we were getting beaten until the very end of Wagner's time by world class teams.....and not that soundly at times. Powell gave up before we kicked a ball against the champshp so called big boys not some of Europe's elite. Wagner was undoubtedly defensive minded.....but we were still competing and if we'd had a 9 and 10 of note I still think wed have pushed to stop up. He's gone now though and time to move on.....seiwert should be given time and backing to give us a promotion bid. .... we have a 18m pound defender and 14m attacker along with two 10m pound wingers.. Powell had a 500k misfit from Middlesbrough and a 1m pound Bradford city striker. How many goals did we score under Wagner in the last 1 and 1/2 seasons? In the end he didn't really turn out much different to Powell, just with a bit of grayson/Clark in his early days. Seiwert at least seems to be 100% committed to attacking 433.... if he changes to a 541, well then that's just what happens at Town. Even in the championship Wagner played the defensive block.... was it at Bristol? Wednesday at home In the playoffs? He got the results, but his free flowing football was at the start of the championship season and the first 4 or 5 games of the premier league, he was defensive and quickly reverted to stopping the opposition scoring as his default position. It is all relative... & Liverpool's goalie cost more than our team |
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Post by Hank Hill on Jun 9, 2019 10:50:51 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Jun 9, 2019 11:16:12 GMT 1
Figures. The type of signing we will look to make I think. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 9, 2019 11:20:34 GMT 1
Figures. The type of signing we will look to make I think. Agree, and rightly or wrongly, the type that in the past would have been fairly positive, but now, afraid for many, might seem a bit of a disappointment. |
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Post by buckers on Jun 9, 2019 11:27:26 GMT 1
Vydra and wells are up for sale at Burnley.
If we can offload mounie would you take a punt on either of them?
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Post by jqhtfc on Jun 9, 2019 11:30:16 GMT 1
Linked with a lad in France according to a French football site on twitter, 23 year old striker Theoson seibatcheu at Rennes not the greatest record there but scored 17 and had 7 assists for Reims the season before in Ligue 2.
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Post by deadleg on Jun 9, 2019 11:32:44 GMT 1
Figures. The type of signing we will look to make I think. Agree, and rightly or wrongly, the type that in the past would have been fairly positive, but now, afraid for many, might seem a bit of a disappointment. Young, hungry, on the up, seemingly very productive from midfield.. Sounds a solid punt on a free to me. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 9, 2019 11:49:20 GMT 1
Agree, and rightly or wrongly, the type that in the past would have been fairly positive, but now, afraid for many, might seem a bit of a disappointment. Young, hungry, on the up, seemingly very productive from midfield.. Sounds a solid punt on a free to me. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting him down by any means. And why I said, not long ago, he would be seen as a positive move. Without knowing much about him (add being in the League Two team of the year I believe) from what is written in public, on the surface I would not be opposed to him coming in. Just feel that there is a group that see anything less than multi million pound fees with a huge pedigree of playing at top level is seen as not good enough. That is my concern. |
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Post by deadleg on Jun 9, 2019 11:53:20 GMT 1
Sorry, I got what you were saying and should've made it more clear that it was just a general comment about the link. I doubt we'll be planning to build the team around him but I like to see us making those sorts of signings.
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 9, 2019 11:55:32 GMT 1
After 2 years of shopping at waitrose..
We are back to looking for bargains at aldi..🤓
Some good stuff at aldi tho....
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Post by terrier030702 on Jun 9, 2019 12:02:25 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with signing the odd player from lower divisions who have done well just as long as all our signings aren’t cheap buys. There’s some very good players in lower leagues we’ve already find one in karlan
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Post by townatheart on Jun 9, 2019 12:06:03 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with signing the odd player from lower divisions who have done well just as long as all our signings aren’t cheap buys. There’s some very good players in lower leagues we’ve already find one in karlan Exactly. Hopefully we can find a balance between spending a few quid at waitrose and looking for Aldi's best  |
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Post by terrier030702 on Jun 9, 2019 12:13:25 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with signing the odd player from lower divisions who have done well just as long as all our signings aren’t cheap buys. There’s some very good players in lower leagues we’ve already find one in karlan Exactly. Hopefully we can find a balance between spending a few quid at waitrose and looking for Aldi's best Yeh just hope we’re sipping abit more champagne than lemonade |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 12:15:48 GMT 1
Figures. The type of signing we will look to make I think. Agree, and rightly or wrongly, the type that in the past would have been fairly positive, but now, afraid for many, might seem a bit of a disappointment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 12:37:50 GMT 1
If he turns out like a Chris Beech number 2 i’d be most happy! |
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Post by exeter2terrier on Jun 9, 2019 12:51:43 GMT 1
Reece Brown, I watch a fair bit of Forest Green (they are a vegan club and I’m vegan, the chairman is also a huge climate change activist) and this lad is easily Championship material. 11 goals, 15 assists or something crazy like that. 23 and out of contract so I think a fee must be agreed but a real dynamic, creative force. Well worth a punt and fits our profile.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 12:57:10 GMT 1
These are the types of players we should be signing
Inexpensive transfer \ wages.
Young
Hungry
In form
Can be sold probably for cost if it doesn't work out
Imagine this guy plus 3 or 4 other premium/promising players from League 1/2 and if we were able to get the premiership loans correct again?
Cash in on Zanka, Billing, Mounie, Pritchard, Mooy and we can rebuild with talent and hungry players. We still have experienced players in the side.
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Post by basil on Jun 9, 2019 12:59:42 GMT 1
Linked with a lad in France according to a French football site on twitter, 23 year old striker Theoson seibatcheu at Rennes not the greatest record there but scored 17 and had 7 assists for Reims the season before in Ligue 2. Someone thinks that we have money to spend! |
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Post by capitalterrier on Jun 9, 2019 13:12:51 GMT 1
Reece Brown, I watch a fair bit of Forest Green (they are a vegan club and I’m vegan, the chairman is also a huge climate change activist) and this lad is easily Championship material. 11 goals, 15 assists or something crazy like that. 23 and out of contract so I think a fee must be agreed but a real dynamic, creative force. Well worth a punt and fits our profile. What is a vegan club? |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 9, 2019 13:22:05 GMT 1
Reece Brown, I watch a fair bit of Forest Green (they are a vegan club and I’m vegan, the chairman is also a huge climate change activist) and this lad is easily Championship material. 11 goals, 15 assists or something crazy like that. 23 and out of contract so I think a fee must be agreed but a real dynamic, creative force. Well worth a punt and fits our profile. I’ve just moved to Stroud, so now my local club. I’m not a vegan though! (God, I sound like a Leeds fan talking about their kids crying and adding the disclaimer that he’s a right hard bastard and definitely not a poof or owt.) |
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jun 9, 2019 13:24:43 GMT 1
Reece Brown, I watch a fair bit of Forest Green (they are a vegan club and I’m vegan, the chairman is also a huge climate change activist) and this lad is easily Championship material. 11 goals, 15 assists or something crazy like that. 23 and out of contract so I think a fee must be agreed but a real dynamic, creative force. Well worth a punt and fits our profile. What is a vegan club? AFAIK they have exclusively vegan catering for players and fans. Part of a wider thing where they're trying to operate in an environmentally sustainable way. They've had net zero carbon emissions for a while. |
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