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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 17:27:53 GMT 1
When Wagner got on board, results didnt go our way, but we could all see what he was doing and trying to implement.
Siewert has done nothing, no change or shifting in progress, we have gone backwards. I dont think many have warmed to him, his personality etc.
My opinion, Dean needs to go away, see what managers are available, with great man to man management, tactics and a personality that will endear him to the fans and the Town. If this bloke is in charge come the start of next season, it will make for interesting viewing on here.
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Post by londonterrier23 on Apr 6, 2019 17:29:02 GMT 1
So what did you expect when DW left? All the people that were calling for DW’s head were stupid. We were extracting the max out of the playing squad. Fergie wouldn’t have turned this team around!!! So what you expect Siewert to do with no transfer window and with no real knowledge of the division or the players he was inherited? I am not saying he has it or he hasn’t got it. We have insufficient data to glean from. All I’m saying is what has happened was obviously going to happen. All the fans that shat the bed and started breading negativity and mouthing off and calling for his head are the ones who should look back and learn. We were very close under DW. Combination of Mooy injury and DH illness cost us at a pivotal time of the season. But had we kept DW and embraced him rather than turned on him. I feel strongly that we would be in a much better spot. Totally disagree. Wagner lost the plot. We were dreadful under him this season. He had to go. That’s cool. We can disagree. But “lost the plot” actually means nothing. W Explain what you mean. Explain the evidence of him losing the plot. Had he lost the plot with the formation that had Billing, Mooy and Hoggg in midfield? I thought it was solid defensively and solid going forward. We were competitive in every game. We were creating more and more chances and we were a transfer window away from stepping up a level. Then Mooy got injured at Arsenal and that’s when it fell apart. I didn’t see Wagner lose the plot. I saw the fan base lose the plot. It (including this board) became toxic. |
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Post by loumacari on Apr 6, 2019 17:33:54 GMT 1
Totally disagree. Wagner lost the plot. We were dreadful under him this season. He had to go. That’s cool. We can disagree. But “lost the plot” actually means nothing. W Explain what you mean. Explain the evidence of him losing the plot. Had he lost the plot with the formation that had Billing, Mooy and Hoggg in midfield? I thought it was solid defensively and solid going forward. We were competitive in every game. We were creating more and more chances and we were a transfer window away from stepping up a level. Then Mooy got injured at Arsenal and that’s when it fell apart. I didn’t see Wagner lose the plot. I saw the fan base lose the plot. It (including this board) became toxic. It’ll become properly toxic when this novice has us bottom of The Championship after 6 games whilst we wait for him to dismantle the squad that got us promoted and build his own team. |
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 6, 2019 17:35:43 GMT 1
Totally disagree. Wagner lost the plot. We were dreadful under him this season. He had to go. That’s cool. We can disagree. But “lost the plot” actually means nothing. W Explain what you mean. Explain the evidence of him losing the plot. Had he lost the plot with the formation that had Billing, Mooy and Hoggg in midfield? I thought it was solid defensively and solid going forward. We were competitive in every game. We were creating more and more chances and we were a transfer window away from stepping up a level. Then Mooy got injured at Arsenal and that’s when it fell apart. I didn’t see Wagner lose the plot. I saw the fan base lose the plot. It (including this board) became toxic. Bottom of the league. Totally clueless. Void of ideas. Dire football Not going into some in depth analysis as I'm no expert. But I know what I saw was awful. It had to change and he wasn't the man to change it. |
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Post by londonterrier23 on Apr 6, 2019 17:39:18 GMT 1
That’s cool. We can disagree. But “lost the plot” actually means nothing. W Explain what you mean. Explain the evidence of him losing the plot. Had he lost the plot with the formation that had Billing, Mooy and Hoggg in midfield? I thought it was solid defensively and solid going forward. We were competitive in every game. We were creating more and more chances and we were a transfer window away from stepping up a level. Then Mooy got injured at Arsenal and that’s when it fell apart. I didn’t see Wagner lose the plot. I saw the fan base lose the plot. It (including this board) became toxic. It’ll become properly toxic when this novice has us bottom of The Championship after 6 games whilst we wait for him to dismantle the squad that got us promoted and build his own team. It’s already peak toxic Lou. |
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Post by loumacari on Apr 6, 2019 17:40:54 GMT 1
It’ll become properly toxic when this novice has us bottom of The Championship after 6 games whilst we wait for him to dismantle the squad that got us promoted and build his own team. It’s already peak toxic Lou. Its not though. The fans are behind the team. Wait until there’s no support, booing, jeering. |
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Post by thomo on Apr 6, 2019 17:42:17 GMT 1
Got to admit after the welcome decision to go a little more attacking and have a go those first few games, it’s all become very stale. I’m seeing little pride or progress now. Our build up remains slow and predictable and our defence has got worse - shambolic today. He will have to manage a lot of these players next year if he stays. But I don’t think he’s getting enough out of them. Maybe he is out of his depth
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Post by willo on Apr 6, 2019 17:42:25 GMT 1
Totally disagree. Wagner lost the plot. We were dreadful under him this season. He had to go. That’s cool. We can disagree. But “lost the plot” actually means nothing. W Explain what you mean. Explain the evidence of him losing the plot. Had he lost the plot with the formation that had Billing, Mooy and Hoggg in midfield? I thought it was solid defensively and solid going forward. We were competitive in every game. We were creating more and more chances and we were a transfer window away from stepping up a level. Then Mooy got injured at Arsenal and that’s when it fell apart. I didn’t see Wagner lose the plot. I saw the fan base lose the plot. It (including this board) became toxic. We were playing well up until the end of November without scoring goals. We then got the Mooy injury and a run of games in December against arguably beatable teams that saw a sudden drop in form from many(all?) players - whilst still not scoring goals - and no wins from any of these matches. We sit just up from the home bench and you could see game on game during this run just how draining of ideas/beleaguered Wagner was becoming to the point where a change simply had to be made. Unfortunately, and not for the first time in Town’s history, we went for a cheap option hoping lightning would strike twice and it hasn’t. The mistake wasn’t getting rid of DW, it was the choice of replacement. Having said that and backed up by Wagner’s interview in the paper today, the rot set in with the recruitment last summer. |
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Post by huddersfc on Apr 6, 2019 17:42:29 GMT 1
That was one of the worst games of football I have been to, especially the first half. We started the game with 7 defenders/defensive minded players on the field, Smith, Schindler, Kongolo, Durm, Lowe, Hogg, Stankovic. Why so negative? And we still couldnt stop them walking through us like we werent even there. Tactically it was shambolic, team selection was abysmal, players looking clueless. I am not normally someone to make a snap judgement about a manager and I always say give it time, but we are now in April and he has 3 points under his belt. I also hate this bollocks about give it until next season when he has a whole summer. NO. Summer will make no difference whatsoever. Its about building confidence now to hit the ground running. Look at West Brom who were the only team to put together a set of results at the end of last season, and compare it to Swansea and Stoke who were so used to losing. I think people really underestimate putting together a decent run of performances and results at the end of the season (not just 1 win on the last day). Just look at us towards the end of last season, we struggled for wins and the only one to my memory was Watford at home in the last few months. We really have to cut our losses and bring someone else in, this bloke could seemingly fall out with himself, I certainly would not trust him with 100 million ish parachute payments over the next 3 years. League 1 and 2 sides would have beaten us today it was so bad tactically. Please dont give him the summer and start of next season. Let someone else with some experience do it.
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Post by belvoirterrier on Apr 6, 2019 17:44:02 GMT 1
With this guy in charge I agree that we look like facing a season of big disappointment and frustration. He seems to have few if any of the squad behind him.Start again before our precious resources are wasted on players any new manager who may come in in December may be lumbered with.
We have got worse and lost any identify since JS was appointed, we've seen enough after today.
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Post by rantinray on Apr 6, 2019 17:46:18 GMT 1
When Wagner got on board, results didnt go our way, but we could all see what he was doing and trying to implement. Siewert has done nothing, no change or shifting in progress, we have gone backwards. I dont think many have warmed to him, his personality etc. My opinion, Dean needs to go away, see what managers are available, with great man to man management, tactics and a personality that will endear him to the fans and the Town. If this bloke is in charge come the start of next season, it will make for interesting viewing on here. If tactics and man management do not improve I envisage us struggling. The players are not good enough for the Premiership and I doubt they are good enough for the Championship. As usual we lack pace, movement and above all else we lack goals. Lack of goals is nothing new to us at town this problem has been with us for many many years. Take a look back in time. I do fear for us. Is this new manager up to the task? I think the players are far from up to the task. We carry on supporting but it would be nice to really have something positive to shout about. |
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Post by jim100 on Apr 6, 2019 17:48:47 GMT 1
Bringing him to the club when we did was always going to be a hiding to nothing.
Quite what impact bringing an unproven 4th division manager would have is beyond me other than more of the same, plus falling out with all the senior players
I can only see a season of struggle if we stick with Jan, lets just get rid and bring someone in who will give us a good chance of promotion and be able to take advantage of the parachute payments.
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Post by willo on Apr 6, 2019 17:51:00 GMT 1
Haven’t been today (thank fook) as away in Venice but have asked before. Is JS our very own Dave Hockaday, ie completely & utterly out of his depth?
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Post by rantinray on Apr 6, 2019 17:51:29 GMT 1
Bringing him to the club when we did was always going to be a hiding to nothing. Quite what impact bringing an unproven 4th division manager would have is beyond me other than more of the same, plus falling out with all the senior players I can only see a season of struggle if we stick with Jan, lets just get rid and bring someone in who will give us a good chance of promotion and be able to take advantage of the parachute payments. I agree with most of your post. However, getting in another manager so soon smacks of desperation so soon after his appointment. Maybe we should give the guy a few games to see what improvements he makes? |
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Post by Elioud on Apr 6, 2019 17:51:34 GMT 1
If he stays we will be in another relegation dog fight. Don't give me that crap about give him a chance, he needs to build his own team, he need a summer. It's bollocks. We have gone backwards massively since DW departed, the players look disinterested and lazy. Our tactics look non-existent. We ballsed up last summer, and we are going to do the same if he stays. He was the cheap option and it did not work, time to move on. New season new manager, new impetus. There is no point in him staying, he will achieve very little next season. Not doing any worse than Wagner. Would rather have Wagner but he wanted to go at end of season anyway. |
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Post by rantinray on Apr 6, 2019 17:52:25 GMT 1
Haven’t been today (thank fook) as away in Venice but have asked before. Is JS our very own Dave Hockaday, ie completely & utterly out of his depth? Good reference guide. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 6, 2019 17:52:41 GMT 1
That was one of the worst games of football I have been to, especially the first half. We started the game with 7 defenders/defensive minded players on the field, Smith, Schindler, Kongolo, Durm, Lowe, Hogg, Stankovic. Why so negative? And we still couldnt stop them walking through us like we werent even there. Tactically it was shambolic, team selection was abysmal, players looking clueless. I am not normally someone to make a snap judgement about a manager and I always say give it time, but we are now in April and he has 3 points under his belt. I also hate this bollocks about give it until next season when he has a whole summer. NO. Summer will make no difference whatsoever. Its about building confidence now to hit the ground running. Look at West Brom who were the only team to put together a set of results at the end of last season, and compare it to Swansea and Stoke who were so used to losing. I think people really underestimate putting together a decent run of performances and results at the end of the season (not just 1 win on the last day). Just look at us towards the end of last season, we struggled for wins and the only one to my memory was Watford at home in the last few months. We really have to cut our losses and bring someone else in, this bloke could seemingly fall out with himself, I certainly would not trust him with 100 million ish parachute payments over the next 3 years. League 1 and 2 sides would have beaten us today it was so bad tactically. Please dont give him the summer and start of next season. Let someone else with some experience do it. If that was one of the worst games of football you've been to then you must be a relatively new fan. Its not that long since most games a season were worse than that! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 17:53:18 GMT 1
Thought we played ok to be honest, it was never a 4-1. Swap the keepers and we might have even won it.
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Post by jim100 on Apr 6, 2019 17:55:10 GMT 1
Bringing him to the club when we did was always going to be a hiding to nothing. Quite what impact bringing an unproven 4th division manager would have is beyond me other than more of the same, plus falling out with all the senior players I can only see a season of struggle if we stick with Jan, lets just get rid and bring someone in who will give us a good chance of promotion and be able to take advantage of the parachute payments. I agree with most of your post. However, getting in another manager so soon smacks of desperation so soon after his appointment. Maybe we should give the guy a few games to see what improvements he makes? But why should we need to wait and see. Why should we be proving ground for managers that havent done anything?. Wagner was a one off replicating what happened with Siewart is not working IMO |
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Post by huddersfc on Apr 6, 2019 18:00:35 GMT 1
That was one of the worst games of football I have been to, especially the first half. We started the game with 7 defenders/defensive minded players on the field, Smith, Schindler, Kongolo, Durm, Lowe, Hogg, Stankovic. Why so negative? And we still couldnt stop them walking through us like we werent even there. Tactically it was shambolic, team selection was abysmal, players looking clueless. I am not normally someone to make a snap judgement about a manager and I always say give it time, but we are now in April and he has 3 points under his belt. I also hate this bollocks about give it until next season when he has a whole summer. NO. Summer will make no difference whatsoever. Its about building confidence now to hit the ground running. Look at West Brom who were the only team to put together a set of results at the end of last season, and compare it to Swansea and Stoke who were so used to losing. I think people really underestimate putting together a decent run of performances and results at the end of the season (not just 1 win on the last day). Just look at us towards the end of last season, we struggled for wins and the only one to my memory was Watford at home in the last few months. We really have to cut our losses and bring someone else in, this bloke could seemingly fall out with himself, I certainly would not trust him with 100 million ish parachute payments over the next 3 years. League 1 and 2 sides would have beaten us today it was so bad tactically. Please dont give him the summer and start of next season. Let someone else with some experience do it. If that was one of the worst games of football you've been to then you must be a relatively new fan. Its not that long since most games a season were worse than that! I have been a fan for long enough, dont worry about that. I was that bored in the first half I was tapping my legs and moving my feet around to try and alleviate the boredom. I dont remember ever having to do that before. If anyone watched that first half today as a neutral who knew nothing about football they would suggest we were several divisions apart. We had maybe 1 shot off target, about 25% - 30% possession, and Leicester walked it through us, as though we werent even there. Even though the football in the lower divisions wasnt as good, there was at least some entertainment. There was nothing in that whole 45 minutes that I would class as entertainment. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 6, 2019 18:01:02 GMT 1
we were in the game for most of it..Schmeicel made 2 very, very good saves and we finally got a penalty.. The PLAYERS then showed their utter lack of professionalism , again.. Sievert is waving us up the pitch and the players hold firm, then run away which caused the last 2 goals.. Too fucking easy to blame the new manager who was left with a team devoid of anything much in the way of a Premier League attitude.. Hogg being 'wrong side' time after time and then arguing after the free kick goal just about sums it up.. 'Its some c-nts fault, its those c-nts fault, but its not mine'  ? Thought Lowe and Shmeicel were motm... we have lacked 'professionalism' since November, blaming the new bloke is just the easy way out for those who are 'hard of understanding'... These games are being played because we are contractually obliged to see them out, some of those wearing shirts obviously feel very much the same.. We again 'assisted' the opposition to win a game that at 1-2 was not set in stone for a leicester win.. Wagner could not get a full professional approach from this squad when we were still in this division and it wasnt doom and gloom, how the fuck is anyone else supposed to do much better when its all but over and now definitely over.. stop fooling yourself that losing by a goal was so much better, we never EVER looked like winning 99.9% of those games and we did at least look like scoring today.. Give him a chance without this huge fucking black cloud hanging over everything.. We got a few good hidings when Wagner came in, the pretence that everybody could see what he was trying to do is just that, we didnt go down, thats all.. His 'identity' took a while to be seen... |
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Post by sykeylad on Apr 6, 2019 18:01:47 GMT 1
So what did you expect when DW left? All the people that were calling for DW’s head were stupid. We were extracting the max out of the playing squad. Fergie wouldn’t have turned this team around!!! So what you expect Siewert to do with no transfer window and with no real knowledge of the division or the players he was inherited? I am not saying he has it or he hasn’t got it. We have insufficient data to glean from. All I’m saying is what has happened was obviously going to happen. All the fans that shat the bed and started breading negativity and mouthing off and calling for his head are the ones who should look back and learn. We were very close under DW. Combination of Mooy injury and DH illness cost us at a pivotal time of the season. But had we kept DW and embraced him rather than turned on him. I feel strongly that we would be in a much better spot. Totally disagree. Wagner lost the plot. We were dreadful under him this season. He had to go. FFS |
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Post by ACW on Apr 6, 2019 18:13:40 GMT 1
If that was one of the worst games of football you've been to then you must be a relatively new fan. Its not that long since most games a season were worse than that! I have been a fan for long enough, dont worry about that. I was that bored in the first half I was tapping my legs and moving my feet around to try and alleviate the boredom. I dont remember ever having to do that before. If anyone watched that first half today as a neutral who knew nothing about football they would suggest we were several divisions apart. We had maybe 1 shot off target, about 25% - 30% possession, and Leicester walked it through us, as though we werent even there. Even though the football in the lower divisions wasnt as good, there was at least some entertainment. There was nothing in that whole 45 minutes that I would class as entertainment. You obviously don't remember the games in the lower divisions where we literally couldn't put three passes together. |
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Post by El Mel on Apr 6, 2019 18:23:56 GMT 1
What's Mark Lillis doing these days.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 18:24:55 GMT 1
Said at the time he was brought in the chances of him being successful were slim to none.
Now think it’s lower than that.
I know it’s not his team but I have zero confidence in him being the man next season but would love to be wrong.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 6, 2019 18:28:36 GMT 1
Why is it the same 5 or 6 numpties that post all the crap on the match day thread and then the knock on effect shit threads that spawn after another defeat?
Where are you when we have a normal reasonable debate?
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Post by londonterrier23 on Apr 6, 2019 18:31:01 GMT 1
That’s cool. We can disagree. But “lost the plot” actually means nothing. W Explain what you mean. Explain the evidence of him losing the plot. Had he lost the plot with the formation that had Billing, Mooy and Hoggg in midfield? I thought it was solid defensively and solid going forward. We were competitive in every game. We were creating more and more chances and we were a transfer window away from stepping up a level. Then Mooy got injured at Arsenal and that’s when it fell apart. I didn’t see Wagner lose the plot. I saw the fan base lose the plot. It (including this board) became toxic. We were playing well up until the end of November without scoring goals. We then got the Mooy injury and a run of games in December against arguably beatable teams that saw a sudden drop in form from many(all?) players - whilst still not scoring goals - and no wins from any of these matches. We sit just up from the home bench and you could see game on game during this run just how draining of ideas/beleaguered Wagner was becoming to the point where a change simply had to be made. Unfortunately, and not for the first time in Town’s history, we went for a cheap option hoping lightning would strike twice and it hasn’t. The mistake wasn’t getting rid of DW, it was the choice of replacement. Having said that and backed up by Wagner’s interview in the paper today, the rot set in with the recruitment last summer. My friend, cheap option is meaningless. You could have had Zidane, Fergie and Klopp working shifts for 10M each a game and guess what, it wouldn’t make this thin squad that lacks quality, survive!! |
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 6, 2019 18:33:11 GMT 1
Why is it the same 5 or 6 numpties that post all the crap on the match day thread and then the knock on effect shit threads that spawn after another defeat? Where are you when we have a normal reasonable debate? Weirdos. I think they type left handed... their right hand is always busy doing something else, because they get a kick out of it! |
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Post by jim100 on Apr 6, 2019 18:33:27 GMT 1
we were in the game for most of it..Schmeicel made 2 very, very good saves and we finally got a penalty.. The PLAYERS then showed their utter lack of professionalism , again.. Sievert is waving us up the pitch and the players hold firm, then run away which caused the last 2 goals.. Too fucking easy to blame the new manager who was left with a team devoid of anything much in the way of a Premier League attitude.. Hogg being 'wrong side' time after time and then arguing after the free kick goal just about sums it up.. 'Its some c-nts fault, its those c-nts fault, but its not mine' ? Thought Lowe and Shmeicel were motm... we have lacked 'professionalism' since November, blaming the new bloke is just the easy way out for those who are 'hard of understanding'... These games are being played because we are contractually obliged to see them out, some of those wearing shirts obviously feel very much the same.. We again 'assisted' the opposition to win a game that at 1-2 was not set in stone for a leicester win.. Wagner could not get a full professional approach from this squad when we were still in this division and it wasnt doom and gloom, how the fuck is anyone else supposed to do much better when its all but over and now definitely over.. stop fooling yourself that losing by a goal was so much better, we never EVER looked like winning 99.9% of those games and we did at least look like scoring today.. Give him a chance without this huge fucking black cloud hanging over everything.. We got a few good hidings when Wagner came in, the pretence that everybody could see what he was trying to do is just that, we didnt go down, thats all.. His 'identity' took a while to be seen... hard of understanding really? Surely any new manager should be looking to reverse the decline in professionalism not rubber stamp it then fall out with them all after 10 games |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 18:33:35 GMT 1
we were in the game for most of it..Schmeicel made 2 very, very good saves and we finally got a penalty.. The PLAYERS then showed their utter lack of professionalism , again.. Sievert is waving us up the pitch and the players hold firm, then run away which caused the last 2 goals.. Too fucking easy to blame the new manager who was left with a team devoid of anything much in the way of a Premier League attitude.. Hogg being 'wrong side' time after time and then arguing after the free kick goal just about sums it up.. 'Its some c-nts fault, its those c-nts fault, but its not mine' ? Thought Lowe and Shmeicel were motm... we have lacked 'professionalism' since November, blaming the new bloke is just the easy way out for those who are 'hard of understanding'... These games are being played because we are contractually obliged to see them out, some of those wearing shirts obviously feel very much the same.. We again 'assisted' the opposition to win a game that at 1-2 was not set in stone for a leicester win.. Wagner could not get a full professional approach from this squad when we were still in this division and it wasnt doom and gloom, how the fuck is anyone else supposed to do much better when its all but over and now definitely over.. stop fooling yourself that losing by a goal was so much better, we never EVER looked like winning 99.9% of those games and we did at least look like scoring today.. Give him a chance without this huge fucking black cloud hanging over everything.. We got a few good hidings when Wagner came in, the pretence that everybody could see what he was trying to do is just that, we didnt go down, thats all.. His 'identity' took a while to be seen... I dont agree with the last 2 paragraphs in all fairness. 1st game up for Wagner, you could see the intensity and pressure, granted we got beat 3-1, but we were progressing. I think 11 games is enough to see a change or a system that we can see? I have seen absolutely nothing short of shite. No identity to what he wants, no feel good factor. Players are not his, but do you risk giving him money if there isnt any glimmer of what he is about after a dozen games? |
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