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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 6, 2019 20:36:01 GMT 1
I’ve just read Dean Hoyle’s comments in today’s programme. It’s basically just a repeat of his statement from a few days ago. He’s very much behind Jan Siewert. I’m damned sure DH will be aware of what Siewert’s relationships are with the players, so if he has “lost the dressing room”, as lots of posters on here are claiming, then it would appear that DH is supporting JS. Usually when a manager loses the confidence of the dressing room there’s only one outcome, but Town is an exceptional circumstance.
My opinion is, even though there’s only five games left and three of them are against the “elite”, JS has to show something to convince fans that he deserves DH’s apparent full backing........ or DH needs to think again.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 6, 2019 20:41:39 GMT 1
Judge him next season when its a more level playing field, some right sensationalists on here ffs. Why? Wagner came in and it was evident he had a plan immediately.......it clearly had its limitations but it was a plan. What is the current one? I’m genuinely stunned by how bad we’ve become....... Be honest- Leicester could have had 7 Palace 4 Or 5 Bournemouth 4 or 5 West Ham got 4 That’s just the last few weeks - we knew we were the poorest team in the league months ago, but we are getting worse....and quickly. Wagner announced his plan to a team that were not almost dead in the water, we lost games, some by a lot but we were not in this deep a shit to begin with in a division where odd results do come along a wee bit more often than the premier league.. be honest we could have had 3 or 4.. be honest over the 12 match losing run, we didnt look like scoring, just a question of time till Wagners defence cocked up and we handed a dull game over.. of course we are getting worse, if there was not a significant upturn straight away then that was bound to happen.. your arguing that someone else could have turned this round, its an opinion but its clearly not shared by the players who gave up on this some fucking time ago.. you cant sack em all, so sack the manager, remember the last one walked away.. we lost by 3 today, 3 bad ones that we should be given 'assists' for but we did score and very good keeping meant it was only one...Jan did not bring any of the defenders here who get back and then just do not defend.. They get in the right place quickly, then either back off, switch off or just fuck off and let opponents in.. must drive the manager mad, he is stuck with them for now, give him a break, the players have wrapped their hand in.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 20:41:53 GMT 1
I’ve just read Dean Hoyle’s comments in today’s programme. It’s basically just a repeat of his statement from a few days ago. He’s very much behind Jan Siewert. I’m damned sure DH will be aware of what Siewert’s relationships are with the players, so if he has “lost the dressing room”, as lots of posters on here are claiming, then it would appear that DH is supporting JS. Usually when a manager loses the confidence of the dressing room there’s only one outcome, but Town is an exceptional circumstance. My opinion is, even though there’s only five games left and three of them are against the “elite”, JS has to show something to convince fans that he deserves DH’s apparent full backing........ or DH needs to think again. I don't see a side that is not working hard but he has made big decisions and for me he will do a good job but as we know only time will tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 20:46:09 GMT 1
The spine of the team is good, the fans and owner are great. We need to bring in and recruit some players to build around them and a manager that knows what he’s doing. If it’s got right, yes we should be challenging for the play offs. There aren’t any great shakers in that league if we play the right way, recruit well and install a manager with good know how. Stay as we are and no, play offs are miles away. All 3 that went down had a fair load of big names players that left and apart from Albion, that’s hammered them. I can’t say we have one big name player if they leave we are doomed as the latter 2. Keeping Grant is key, Mooy is brilliant don’t get me wrong, but he is replaceable. I think it would be a good idea to wait and see what develops in the close season instead of the bullshit that is spouted on here about the coach etc. typical of some so called fans,. NEXT SEASON WILL BE TOUGH AND EVERYONE IN THE CLUB KNOW THAT . BUT lets see how it all pans out instead of the vitriol pointed at individuals. It’s not really the best way to start off your career at a Premier League club needing a boost though. It’s not making stories up as he has fallen out with some players, which is clear to see. All for Dean giving him pre season, his call not mine, but I can’t see any way that this won’t end badly. Opinions of course and I dearly hope he proves me wrong. Just yet to see any kind of implementing new tactic or style developing, not to mention a lack of leadership. |
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Post by yappledapple on Apr 6, 2019 20:47:09 GMT 1
And we’re all arguing whether our manager is good enough or not. Puts everything into perspective..
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Post by sabailand on Apr 6, 2019 20:51:55 GMT 1
Judge him next season when its a more level playing field, some right sensationalists on here ffs. Why? Wagner came in and it was evident he had a plan immediately.......it clearly had its limitations but it was a plan. What is the current one? I’m genuinely stunned by how bad we’ve become....... Be honest- Leicester could have had 7 Palace 4 Or 5 Bournemouth 4 or 5 West Ham got 4 That’s just the last few weeks - we knew we were the poorest team in the league months ago, but we are getting worse....and quickly. Yes but wagners plan was put to the test in the championship, a bit easier for a plan to come to fruition im sure you`ll agree. This season even Wagner realised the limitations of the squad and (i assume) walked, siewart has had to pick up the pieces and i admit it has been poor, but the fact is we`re nowhere near good enough to compete consistently at this level, no manager in the world could make a silk purse out of the sows ear that is town at the moment....well maybe if he had untold millions to spend. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 6, 2019 20:53:42 GMT 1
I’ve just read Dean Hoyle’s comments in today’s programme. It’s basically just a repeat of his statement from a few days ago. He’s very much behind Jan Siewert. I’m damned sure DH will be aware of what Siewert’s relationships are with the players, so if he has “lost the dressing room”, as lots of posters on here are claiming, then it would appear that DH is supporting JS. Usually when a manager loses the confidence of the dressing room there’s only one outcome, but Town is an exceptional circumstance. My opinion is, even though there’s only five games left and three of them are against the “elite”, JS has to show something to convince fans that he deserves DH’s apparent full backing........ or DH needs to think again. I don't see a side that is not working hard but he has made big decisions and for me he will do a good job but as we know only time will tell. I see a side that is totally shot of any confidence, that is very fragile and that is arguing amongst itself. I haven’t seen anything, yet, from Jan Siewert to show that he is capable of helping them. I don’t think he’s helped the players. From the outside his man management skills look dubious, at best. I hate short-termism, but I’m doubting JS is the man to lead Town into next season. I think the task is too much for him. As specialun keeps (rightly) banging on..... where the hell’s the DOF? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 20:54:33 GMT 1
And we’re all arguing whether our manager is good enough or not. Puts everything into perspective.. deed indeed well done to all concerned |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 20:56:30 GMT 1
Why? Wagner came in and it was evident he had a plan immediately.......it clearly had its limitations but it was a plan. What is the current one? I’m genuinely stunned by how bad we’ve become....... Be honest- Leicester could have had 7 Palace 4 Or 5 Bournemouth 4 or 5 West Ham got 4 That’s just the last few weeks - we knew we were the poorest team in the league months ago, but we are getting worse....and quickly. Yes but wagners plan was put to the test in the championship, a bit easier for a plan to come to fruition im sure you`ll agree. This season even Wagner realised the limitations of the squad and (i assume) walked, siewart has had to pick up the pieces and i admit it has been poor, but the fact is we`re nowhere near good enough to compete consistently at this level, no manager in the world could make a silk purse out of the sows ear that is town at the moment....well maybe if he had untold millions to spend. well said |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 21:00:44 GMT 1
I don't see a side that is not working hard but he has made big decisions and for me he will do a good job but as we know only time will tell. I see a side that is totally shot of any confidence, that is very fragile and that is arguing amongst itself. I haven’t seen anything, yet, from Jan Siewert to show that he is capable of helping them. I don’t think he’s helped the players. From the outside his man management skills look dubious, at best. I hate short-termism, but I’m doubting JS is the man to lead Town into next season. I think the task is too much for him. As specialun keeps (rightly) banging on..... where the hell’s the DOF? I respect your views buttime will tell as for the dof don't know but I agree we have to get the recruitment right. interesting times |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 6, 2019 21:05:47 GMT 1
I see a side that is totally shot of any confidence, that is very fragile and that is arguing amongst itself. I haven’t seen anything, yet, from Jan Siewert to show that he is capable of helping them. I don’t think he’s helped the players. From the outside his man management skills look dubious, at best. I hate short-termism, but I’m doubting JS is the man to lead Town into next season. I think the task is too much for him. As specialun keeps (rightly) banging on..... where the hell’s the DOF? I respect your views buttime will tell as for the dof don't know but I agree we have to get the recruitment right. interesting times Interesting? Perhaps. I’d say “worrying” or “concerning” are more appropriate adjectives personally. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 21:11:06 GMT 1
I respect your views buttime will tell as for the dof don't know but I agree we have to get the recruitment right. interesting times Interesting? Perhaps. I’d say “worrying” or “concerning” are more appropriate adjectives personally. there is no doubt its a difficult time but I prefer to see what happens in the close season but you are a true supporter that's more than some on here. keep well |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Apr 6, 2019 21:19:36 GMT 1
I like Siewerts positivity and the way he conducts himself but tactically he is dreadful. Square pegs in round holes, players on the bench who should be the future (Bacuna namely) and a complete lack of defensive structure. Wagner had the respect of the players and really was a figurehead for the club. I just don't see that with Jan. It wouldn't surprise me if he is a cheap stop gap to get us through to the end of the season. The appointment made no sense. No experience, no track record and considering the Wagner blueprint had been ripped up there was no sense in going for 'continuity'. I like the guy but like other fans I don't want to waste a pre season and transfer window with a guy who has shown us nothing up to now. I have heard that Bacuna wont be here next season so if that is true, he does right not to play him but he's not the only one who wont be here. Siewert could not have come at a worse time, let's face it, if Big San said he couldn't turn us around that say's it all. Judge the man next season when he brings in his own players. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 21:25:24 GMT 1
I like Siewerts positivity and the way he conducts himself but tactically he is dreadful. Square pegs in round holes, players on the bench who should be the future (Bacuna namely) and a complete lack of defensive structure. Wagner had the respect of the players and really was a figurehead for the club. I just don't see that with Jan. It wouldn't surprise me if he is a cheap stop gap to get us through to the end of the season. The appointment made no sense. No experience, no track record and considering the Wagner blueprint had been ripped up there was no sense in going for 'continuity'. I like the guy but like other fans I don't want to waste a pre season and transfer window with a guy who has shown us nothing up to now. I have heard that Bacuna wont be here next season so if that is true, he does right not to play him but he's not the only one who wont be here. Siewert could not have come at a worse time, let's face it, if Big San said he couldn't turn us around that say's it all. Judge the man next season when he brings in his own players. don't believe everything you hear but you are right judge jan next season |
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Post by jjamez on Apr 6, 2019 21:28:26 GMT 1
We ain't going to bounce straight back up, not unless we really nail the summer Market which we won't, we're clueless in that department or appear to be since promotion.
I'm unsure about Jan, but we can't really say he's had a fair shot really. We were shite before he came in and still are, but pep or klopp couldnt do owt with these under talented, overpaid useless ****. He needs a full window, to sign his own players, sell ones he doesn't want and then we can say what's expected from the side, come September/October if it's not going right we can make a change where its not too late.
I'll also add that the club doesn't seem to help itself with some of the things it says, I'm all for good communication between the club and fans, I just think they need to word things better. First you get the "Wagner will not be sacked" and I think that makes a rod for few peoples backs, as well as allowing the players a bit of complacency as in results won't impact on the manager. He leaves by mutual termination but the players might not like that he's been made to go earlier.
Then the "sleepwalk into relegation" for the transfer window, again another rod but this time more from the fans, you expect some who could maybe help us a bit coming in, but we didn't really help ourselves there and became the joint quickest to be relegated.
And now the recent one where Jan is confirmed as manager regardless of what happens on and off the pitch, but also about not being reckless in the market despite an overhaul. This is one where I think again wording needs address more, is it we won't be spending 15mil on individual deals or we won't be spending 15mil during the summer?
I just don't think these statements have helped the club as such
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 21:31:59 GMT 1
Farke had done well at Lipstadt, got them promoted twice, then went to Dortmunds 2nd team. Siewert got sacked by a 4th tier side for having them in the relegation zone, went to Dortmund and now hes gone back to his relegation days. Can add to the fact that Farke had a substantial career and understanding, Siewert didnt have one tbh. Whos he shagging at Town to get this job?I dont really think he was the right man, personally wasnt joyed, but i wasnt with Wagner. After 5 or so games, i liked Wagner and i liked his thought process and how he changed us. I still dont like JS after more than double that Having seen him come out of the stadium at the end of the game and be met by his wife/girlfriend and young baby, I would suggest he doesn’t need anyone else 😉 To be fair he did look, understandably, mightily unhappy and annoyed but very gamely signed lots of autographs and posed for many selfies with the waiting fans. As others have alluded, he’s come in at the most difficult time when relegation was more or less nailed on, the players are at an all time confidence low with the results and DW/CB going and some players already having their eye on a move away from a sinking ship! His management style is obviously completely different from that previous and it’s hasnt gone down well with some of the established players, but, and it is a big but, he’s got to be given time and a pre-season to establish the proper rapport and tactics to develop his own style. To get rid now, in the toughest league in the world is, IMO, short-sighted. He’s got to be given the chance and judging now is rather harsh. Give the guy a break and judge him with a full set of players who want to play for him and with some of his own recruits, as well as getting rid of some of the deadwood. That said, it was pretty dire today apart from the tiny spell at the beginning of the second half where things looked a little more optimistic, but then as usual, it all went pear shaped 😕 I don't agree he came in at a difficult time. In fact, I'd argue he came it the perfect time for an inexperienced manager. The fact that relegation was nailed on gave him a rare opportunity to experiment and rebuild team spirit with relatively little pressure to achieve results. |
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Apr 6, 2019 21:34:41 GMT 1
Jan Siewert is the manager of Huddersfield town, give the lad a chance for god sake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 21:40:10 GMT 1
Jan Siewert is the manager of Huddersfield town, give the lad a chance for god sake. well said but you know what some on here are like |
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Post by Amigo on Apr 6, 2019 21:40:11 GMT 1
It's frustrating and I'm finding him frustrating at the moment.
Plan for next season and line up the way you want to play then to get players used to it. Square pegs in round holes at the moment and I'd hope the way he lined up today is not how he'd do it in the Championship.
Mooy is our best central midfielder, play him in central midfield.
Play wingers wide. If Mbenza isn't fit enough for the full 90 play Kachunga there. Or play Grant out wide (he's shown he's capable) and Mounie as the striker.
Hamer is shit. Don't play him. He can't seriously think he's going to be our number 1 next season so why bother with him.
We've lost all identity at the moment and watching it you can't see a plan of what he's trying to do. When Wagner came in it didn't work straight away we were still losing more than we were winning but you could see what he was trying to get the players to do and what he was trying to do with them but I can't honestly see anything at the moment. It's nothing to do with recruitment either he's a coach and it's his job to do the best he can with what he has and in my eyes he isn't doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 22:15:12 GMT 1
And we’re all arguing whether our manager is good enough or not. Puts everything into perspective.. Yes plenty of twats on here have no idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 22:31:38 GMT 1
We all love Dean Hoyle, but when it comes to football matters, I don’t think he’s very good. We took an eternity to get out of L1 with a big budget compared to the rest
We struggled in championship until Wagner was presented to him by our DOF who he failed to hang onto.
There little point In commenting on this season - the facts are there for all to see.
We simply do not have enough football nouse in the boardroom.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 6, 2019 22:48:18 GMT 1
We all love Dean Hoyle, but when it comes to football matters, I don’t think he’s very good. We took an eternity to get out of L1 with a big budget compared to the rest We struggled in championship until Wagner was presented to him by our DOF who he failed to hang onto. There little point In commenting on this season - the facts are there for all to see. We simply do not have enough football nouse in the boardroom. Bloody Julian Winter played for Town and was a pro footballer, he should know about football, although I have my doubts about him, he is so one dimensional. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 6, 2019 22:58:55 GMT 1
I’ve seen four promotions- three of those managers had massive character and created an amazing team spirit; Warnock, Jacko and Wagner
Today our former vice captain and goalie went nose to nose on the pitch ... it’s looked a mess and there’s no obvious sign of unity
That’s before the stories of dressing room unrest and good players frozen out for inferior ones
Hand on heart this isn’t going well in the “honeymoon”.
We’re also all over the shop at the back - despite picking 6 defenders today. We looked tactically at sea
Anyone happy with this start has low expectations. Frankly I reckon Leigh bromby could achieve what we’re getting right now on the pitch
Not saying time to go but it’s been bang average to date
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Post by ponteterrier on Apr 6, 2019 23:09:37 GMT 1
I think it will be as Hoyle said.
They'll be a lot of comings and goings and we'll need it. Too many players heads have gone and a move away from the club will do us and them good.
JS will get his chance to build a squad in his own image. Personally he should get until October to see if it really is him that's the problem.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 6, 2019 23:10:24 GMT 1
I'm not sure what people expected from JS, this bunch of players were losing games (albeit playing ok in most games) before and then lost their leader.
What disappointed me today was I went looking forward to what may happen next season and came away with no tangible evidence of what the plan is for next season. I feel the fans still believe that next season is an opportunity but don't sense the people who can influence this do at the moment.
Something isn't quite as it should be. We can't , to use a phrase, slepwalk into next season. I just hope that more is going on behind the scenes than is being evidenced. To be fair to Siewert he is in the middle of a proper mess that needs sorting out and he needs help to do it.
It's sad that from being in unity it feels like it's unwound into a complete muddle.
I wonder if there is in fact more change on the horizon?
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Post by loumacari on Apr 6, 2019 23:35:12 GMT 1
Lost the dressing room. No tactics, no idea, no fight. And don’t get me started on Hamer. talking out of your arse. Go on then, you tell me out of your arse what the tactics and ideas are? Because they’re not that apparent to me. |
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Post by Amigo on Apr 6, 2019 23:51:24 GMT 1
I'm not sure what people expected from JS, this bunch of players were losing games (albeit playing ok in most games) before and then lost their leader. What disappointed me today was I went looking forward to what may happen next season and came away with no tangible evidence of what the plan is for next season. I feel the fans still believe that next season is an opportunity but don't sense the people who can influence this do at the moment. Something isn't quite as it should be. We can't , to use a phrase, slepwalk into next season. I just hope that more is going on behind the scenes than is being evidenced. To be fair to Siewert he is in the middle of a proper mess that needs sorting out and he needs help to do it. It's sad that from being in unity it feels like it's unwound into a complete muddle. I wonder if there is in fact more change on the horizon? Think you've answered your own question to be honest. I'm not expecting outstanding performances or even a win from JS I'd like to just see some sort of plan. What sort of side are we going to be? Passing, direct, attacking, defensive. I can't see what his philosophy is or what he's wanting the players to do. Every team has to mix it up now and again but I can't see what the basis of our play is and that's what I'd like to see, some sort of plan because at the moment there just doesn't look like there is one. I feel sorry for him in one way but then another way to look at it is he came in with no pressure to get results and had pretty much a free hit for 4 months to stamp his style on the team without worrying too much about whether it brought us results and in my opinion he hasn't done that. He said before today's game the team had a plan for Vardy, that's great if it was a big game and we needed the result but if it was me I'd be worrying less about the opposition and more about getting the team playing the way I want them to play in preparation for next season. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Apr 6, 2019 23:51:52 GMT 1
Just watched the game in full on DAZN, and - to be fair - we were a match for them up to about the 80m mark, when a needless free-kick was given away by Hogg, who then tried blaming someone else for his own unhinged actions, and resulted in a rather peculiar looking goal therefrom.
Chins up - the scoreline was very flattering fot Foxes. Seems to me, Siewert has very far from lost the dressing room.
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Post by wigster on Apr 7, 2019 0:13:17 GMT 1
Just watched the game in full on DAZN, and - to be fair - we were a match for them up to about the 80m mark, when a needless free-kick was given away by Hogg, who then tried blaming someone else for his own unhinged actions, and resulted in a rather peculiar looking goal therefrom. Chins up - the scoreline was very flattering fot Foxes. Seems to me, Siewert has very far from lost the dressing room. All about opinion as ever - I just can't see how the Foxes were flattered. If you watched the whole game they could, literally, have doubled their goal tally - wild shooting three times, three good stops from Hamer and numerous last minute blocks from our defenders. I'd love to agree that we matched them for 80 minutes but, apart from a 10 minute spell in the second half, they were much the better team, with pace and passing that made us look awful at times. They had eighteen shots, nine on target. We had 4 and that includes Pritchard's "back pass" to their goalie. |
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Post by mrbluesky on Apr 7, 2019 0:19:38 GMT 1
Just watched the game in full on DAZN, and - to be fair - we were a match for them up to about the 80m mark, when a needless free-kick was given away by Hogg, who then tried blaming someone else for his own unhinged actions, and resulted in a rather peculiar looking goal therefrom. Chins up - the scoreline was very flattering fot Foxes. Seems to me, Siewert has very far from lost the dressing room. You sure you watched the right game? |
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