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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 15:11:19 GMT 1
"We are in good shape if we get recruitment nailed on this summer" said every club in the league. We wouldn't be in this position if our recruitment had been better last summer. And with the messages of us only getting players in if they go out I'm not holding much hope as that makes the window much more difficult to plan and organise and get players that are also wanted by other clubs. It's likely we will end up in a position where our better players are snapped up at the end of the window and we have a mad rush on to find replacements out of who's left available for us. If the players do not all 'leave', then Grant/Pritchard/Mooy/Schindler/Kongolo etc will look much, much better in the Championship... If they all leave then there should be some cash to spend??? Why would it be just our best players being 'snapped up' and also 'at the end of the window' maybe you are being a little paranoid about Town being the only small club in the leagues? How much do we realistically expect players like Kongolo and Mooy etc to go for?? With contracts to pay up and probably sell on clauses, chances are that most outgoings just result in a reduction in the wage bill rather than materially contribute to a transfer budget. The two exceptions I guess are Billing and Grant, the only two really likely to attract offers considerably in excess of what we’re committed to pay in contracts and transfer fees (although I have my doubts about Grant attracting the kind of offer that makes it worthwhile).
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 7, 2019 15:22:41 GMT 1
Mounie has had a shocker but with the right service could prove useful and he wants to stay. A couple of goals for Benin in the summer would do him the world of good but he has to earn a place first....up to him now. I've always thought he would absolutely terror the Championship, like you say, up to him though. Time will tell. I don't think so. We all thought he was a beast after his goals at Palace. Long term he has not proven himself. If he wants to pull a Town shirt on he will get my support, but I don't think he would terrorize ANY defence.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on May 7, 2019 15:22:57 GMT 1
The biggest problem with most of our players is they " THINK " they are better players than they really are ,and many think they are actually bigger than the club.
They are in for one massive fooking shock in the end of season fire sale ,and so much crap that i never want to see again in a town shirt
The man to build a team around is Mooy and the club must try everything to keep him
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 7, 2019 15:29:28 GMT 1
Collin.
No way is he a disgrace. Went out on loan, did his stuff and will come back a hero.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 15:40:13 GMT 1
The biggest problem with most of our players is they " THINK " they are better players than they really are ,and many think they are actually bigger than the club. They are in for one massive fooking shock in the end of season fire sale ,and so much crap that i never want to see again in a town shirt The man to build a team around is Mooy and the club must try everything to keep him The odd one may think that, my view is some were massively lacking in confidence and the complete opposite. I would pick Hogg, Kongolo or even Bacuna before Grant, mainly because he hasn't been here two minutes.
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Post by terriers321 on May 7, 2019 15:48:54 GMT 1
I would seriously question anybody's mental health who has Super Col as one of there footballing heroes.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 7, 2019 15:49:03 GMT 1
If the players do not all 'leave', then Grant/Pritchard/Mooy/Schindler/Kongolo etc will look much, much better in the Championship... If they all leave then there should be some cash to spend??? Why would it be just our best players being 'snapped up' and also 'at the end of the window' maybe you are being a little paranoid about Town being the only small club in the leagues? How much do we realistically expect players like Kongolo and Mooy etc to go for?? With contracts to pay up and probably sell on clauses, chances are that most outgoings just result in a reduction in the wage bill rather than materially contribute to a transfer budget. The two exceptions I guess are Billing and Grant, the only two really likely to attract offers considerably in excess of what we’re committed to pay in contracts and transfer fees (although I have my doubts about Grant attracting the kind of offer that makes it worthwhile). we are not alone and not in the shit up to our collar studs like many clubs we will be competing with next season.. not sure that joining them with a new 'owner' prepared for a short time to throw money at it was ever a good idea.. I have my doubts about quite a few of our players getting enough 'interest'.. we might well start with a similar team but if the attitude is very different who knows?? its all a bit up in the air for now..
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Post by captainblack on May 7, 2019 16:02:43 GMT 1
Keep the spine....Schindler, Kongolo, Bacuna, Hogg (maybe) Mooy and Grant. Bring back VLP. Build around those and we will do OK in the Champs (no chance of promotion though). A couple of cute signings needed. Yes we should try and keep that nucleus of the team that you have quoted (If we can), as for no chance of promotion, surely that depends on the recruitment in the summer , then again I am usually pretty positive. I do remember a discussion on the forum before our first game of the season v Brentford, and people were predicting our relegation , I watched the game and admittedly did not predict us to get promoted, I remember saying though that there was no chance of us getting relegated ,I just wish I had been more positive after that game.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 7, 2019 16:18:38 GMT 1
The biggest problem with most of our players is they " THINK " they are better players than they really are ,and many think they are actually bigger than the club. They are in for one massive fooking shock in the end of season fire sale ,and so much crap that i never want to see again in a town shirt The man to build a team around is Mooy and the club must try everything to keep him honestly, he's been poor for a while. I took it upon myself to watch him in the first half against the mancs and he ran around in space never even getting close to his man. Second half he got stuck in a bit more. Thing about Mooy is his serious lack of pace. Nobody doubts his ability but he's so slow. Will that be good enough for Siewerts style next season?
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 7, 2019 16:40:00 GMT 1
I would seriously question anybody's mental health who has Super Col as one of there footballing heroes. Then I am that man, my friend. Question me.
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Post by H7 on May 7, 2019 16:48:32 GMT 1
The biggest problem with most of our players is they " THINK " they are better players than they really are ,and many think they are actually bigger than the club. They are in for one massive fooking shock in the end of season fire sale ,and so much crap that i never want to see again in a town shirt The man to build a team around is Mooy and the club must try everything to keep him honestly, he's been poor for a while. I took it upon myself to watch him in the first half against the mancs and he ran around in space never even getting close to his man. Second half he got stuck in a bit more. Thing about Mooy is his serious lack of pace. Nobody doubts his ability but he's so slow. Will that be good enough for Siewerts style next season? Fair point about his pace however Mooy was one of, if not the best player in the championship when we went up. If he stays, which I think is very unlikely, he will piss that league again. He's not looked as good because of the opposition, not because he's got worse. We will have other players to inject the pace but if Mooy stays he would start every game.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 7, 2019 17:51:34 GMT 1
The biggest problem with most of our players is they " THINK " they are better players than they really are ,and many think they are actually bigger than the club. They are in for one massive fooking shock in the end of season fire sale ,and so much crap that i never want to see again in a town shirt The man to build a team around is Mooy and the club must try everything to keep him honestly, he's been poor for a while. I took it upon myself to watch him in the first half against the mancs and he ran around in space never even getting close to his man. Second half he got stuck in a bit more. Thing about Mooy is his serious lack of pace. Nobody doubts his ability but he's so slow. Will that be good enough for Siewerts style next season? Tell me a better town player since you started watching them
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on May 7, 2019 17:58:46 GMT 1
Anybody that wants to or not bothered if Mooy leaves are, excuse the French, “ off their fucking rockers “
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 18:11:31 GMT 1
Anybody that wants to or not bothered if Mooy leaves are, excuse the French, “ off their fucking rockers “ I’m not bothered...whilst I rate him, it’s difficult to see how he’ll ever really be massively effective playing the style that Siewert seems to be heading towards. Bacuna would be a bigger loss than Mooy as things stand. Mind you...Quaner is one of my footballing heroes. 🤷♂️🤣
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Post by Tinpot on May 7, 2019 19:16:46 GMT 1
Agreed. Some signings don't work out as well as you'd hope, but this one was a signing that made no sense at the time, let alone with the benefit of hindsight. The sense was that we expected to be screwed with Mooy either injured or at the Asia Cup, and Puncheon was on the face of it an old pro who could hold that role. That he turned out to be nowhere up to things physically is just the luck of the draw...assumedly we watched videos of his handful of appearances in December but he only played about 10mins so probably difficult to see that he’d totally lost the spark needed. (Although it was surely obvious he’s a bit of a nasty moaning twat when we needed a positive role model?) OK. Fair point.
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Post by WirralTerrier on May 7, 2019 19:21:26 GMT 1
Keep the spine....Schindler, Kongolo, Bacuna, Hogg (maybe) Mooy and Grant. Bring back VLP. Build around those and we will do OK in the Champs (no chance of promotion though). A couple of cute signings needed. I'm assuming that one of the disgraced may be VLP. Seems strange to me that he was a huge part for us for the last 2 years, was starting games even at the start of this season and then all of a sudden not even in the squad and then out on loan. Just doesn't add up. Feel like there may have been a fall out, asking for a move, something I think must have happened with him. I doubt he will be here next season.
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Post by Ross83 on May 7, 2019 19:31:34 GMT 1
I'd agree, from this seasons form and especially under Siewert, Bacuna would be a far bigger loss. Much more potential than Billing too I'd say. Certainly a better attitude!
As for Quaner, he's a great character and a favourite like Hef with some heroics to add to his Town CV but I just can't see him fitting in under Siewert, either as a winger or a striker - those roles will require pace, which sadly he lacks.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 7, 2019 19:55:06 GMT 1
I'd agree, from this seasons form and especially under Siewert, Bacuna would be a far bigger loss. Much more potential than Billing too I'd say. Certainly a better attitude! As for Quaner, he's a great character and a favourite like Hef with some heroics to add to his Town CV but I just can't see him fitting in under Siewert, either as a winger or a striker - those roles will require pace, which sadly he lacks. A source told me we would have a job on retaining him so there must be interest.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on May 7, 2019 20:07:43 GMT 1
Keep the spine....Schindler, Kongolo, Bacuna, Hogg (maybe) Mooy and Grant. Bring back VLP. Build around those and we will do OK in the Champs (no chance of promotion though). A couple of cute signings needed. I'm assuming that one of the disgraced may be VLP. Seems strange to me that he was a huge part for us for the last 2 years, was starting games even at the start of this season and then all of a sudden not even in the squad and then out on loan. Just doesn't add up. Feel like there may have been a fall out, asking for a move, something I think must have happened with him. I doubt he will be here next season. Him and Wagner had a disagreement over a none footballing issue
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Post by marshterrier on May 7, 2019 20:15:39 GMT 1
Interesting after the draw listening to Man Utd fans totally slagging off most of their highly paid stars as disgraces and unworthy of the shirt. I've listened to Jan's pre-match conference and he said he knows who he wants to keep for next season. Im sure he has some players lined up who can fit the way he wants to play. I think we will be consolidating next season and will strengthen the squad once the deadwood is cleared out. 4-5-1 with 4-3-3 on the counter is the way I think he will go. I just hope Mbenza and Diakhaby will come good if they are still here next season in the wide positions but we got to get them running onto stuff rather than getting sucked back into midfield passing balls straight to the opposition. Any player who has let us down in the disgrace category can take a hike asap.
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Post by crux on May 7, 2019 21:08:31 GMT 1
I'd agree, from this seasons form and especially under Siewert, Bacuna would be a far bigger loss. Much more potential than Billing too I'd say. Certainly a better attitude! As for Quaner, he's a great character and a favourite like Hef with some heroics to add to his Town CV but I just can't see him fitting in under Siewert, either as a winger or a striker - those roles will require pace, which sadly he lacks. A source told me we would have a job on retaining him so there must be interest. I think it's more about his personal situation. If I heard Oggy correctly on Radio Leeds, his partner has just had a child and is in Holland or wants to be back there.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 7, 2019 21:12:15 GMT 1
Quaner won't be going anywhere. He's a legend.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 7, 2019 22:09:29 GMT 1
Anybody that wants to or not bothered if Mooy leaves are, excuse the French, “ off their fucking rockers “ I’m not bothered...whilst I rate him, it’s difficult to see how he’ll ever really be massively effective playing the style that Siewert seems to be heading towards. Bacuna would be a bigger loss than Mooy as things stand. Mind you...Quaner is one of my footballing heroes. 🤷♂️🤣 You always did talk absolute nonsense Nigel. What is it about " siewerts style" which couldn't accommodate our best player by a country mile ?
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Post by andyeastleake on May 7, 2019 22:22:20 GMT 1
I don't know why I'm getting a bit worried about next season.
If some of our fans are correct in thinking Mooy will not be good enough to get in our team, we will absolutely P*** this league.
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Post by townrwe on May 7, 2019 22:27:07 GMT 1
I’m not bothered...whilst I rate him, it’s difficult to see how he’ll ever really be massively effective playing the style that Siewert seems to be heading towards. Bacuna would be a bigger loss than Mooy as things stand. Mind you...Quaner is one of my footballing heroes. 🤷♂️🤣 You always did talk absolute nonsense Nigel. What is it about " siewerts style" which couldn't accommodate our best player by a country mile ? Mooy is the best player by a country mile as part of a two in a 4231... I think he is more a very good player in a 433 playing either MCR or MCL To suggest he wouldn't be missed or is easily replaced is laughable.... but I do believe that the balance of the team could be better in a 433 with someone else, it's a case of it balance would make up for the loss of such a wonderful player.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 7, 2019 22:36:07 GMT 1
You always did talk absolute nonsense Nigel. What is it about " siewerts style" which couldn't accommodate our best player by a country mile ? Mooy is the best player by a country mile as part of a two in a 4231... I think he is more a very good player in a 433 playing either MCR or MCL To suggest he wouldn't be missed or is easily replaced is laughable.... but I do believe that the balance of the team could be better in a 433 with someone else, it's a case of it balance would make up for the loss of such a wonderful player. This system must be fucking amazing to outweigh our best player since frank Worthington. Has he played it yet cos we seem to just lose every game and all the players are hacked off ? But hey if this amazing system means we walk the league next season then I'm in .
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 7, 2019 22:41:33 GMT 1
Mooy is the best player by a country mile as part of a two in a 4231... I think he is more a very good player in a 433 playing either MCR or MCL To suggest he wouldn't be missed or is easily replaced is laughable.... but I do believe that the balance of the team could be better in a 433 with someone else, it's a case of it balance would make up for the loss of such a wonderful player. This system must be fucking amazing to outweigh our best player since frank Worthington. Has he played it yet cos we seem to just lose every game and all the players are hacked off ? But hey if this amazing system means we walk the league next season then I'm in . Clayton is as good.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 7, 2019 22:42:22 GMT 1
This system must be fucking amazing to outweigh our best player since frank Worthington. Has he played it yet cos we seem to just lose every game and all the players are hacked off ? But hey if this amazing system means we walk the league next season then I'm in . Clayton is as good. Shhh
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Post by ACW on May 7, 2019 23:00:06 GMT 1
This system must be fucking amazing to outweigh our best player since frank Worthington. Has he played it yet cos we seem to just lose every game and all the players are hacked off ? But hey if this amazing system means we walk the league next season then I'm in . Clayton is as good. Is. He. Fuck.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 7, 2019 23:00:45 GMT 1
Bacuna leaving would just sum up this season. He's got the most potential of any player currently on the books
Not buying the baby reason as he and his partner knew she was pregnant when he agreed a move to an English club. If he goes it will be because he thinks he's better than the Championship, which he is.
Offer him an improved deal and do everything we can to keep him
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