Billing bold.dk interview

[Nickhudds.UTT]

If he gets a move even I WONT Drive him.

[Chips Longhorn]

May 30, 2019 7:49:33 GMT 1 @town4life94 said:

At first this interview really pissed me off as I thought nothing good could come from it.

Now, maybe there’s a silver lining and Billing’s outrageous arrogance might actually put more fans back on Jan’s side and get behind him a bit more.

Its not a popularity contest.

Why are town fans suddenly waking up to the fact premier league players are spoilt prima donnas with over inflated egos ? The evidence has been there for years .

Managers can't bully their way to success these days. Unless he changed his style considerably Cloughy wouldn't have a prayer. Like it or loathe it one key part of a managers role is babysitting the egos. That's fact. In an era where players are getting paid 50k plus per week and managers are getting bombed out after a month of failure THE PLAYER IS KING . It's shit but it's reality. So people might admire the fact that Siewert came In and told home truths and kicked em up the arse. But did it really get him anywhere ? From where I was sat ONE player improved his performance under Siewert (Bacuna and that was difficult to analyse because he had hardly played previously) whereas moat regressed. And we won one game in loads of games.

So it's really not about being on Siewerts side or Billings side. It's about trying to get the best out of what you have (imo of course )

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May 30, 2019 8:09:14 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

May 30, 2019 7:49:33 GMT 1 @town4life94 said:

At first this interview really pissed me off as I thought nothing good could come from it.

Now, maybe there’s a silver lining and Billing’s outrageous arrogance might actually put more fans back on Jan’s side and get behind him a bit more.

Its not a popularity contest.

Why are town fans suddenly waking up to the fact premier league players are spoilt prima donnas with over inflated egos ? The evidence has been there for years .

Managers can't bully their way to success these days. Unless he changed his style considerably Cloughy wouldn't have a prayer. Like it or loathe it one key part of a managers role is babysitting the egos. That's fact. In an era where players are getting paid 50k plus per week and managers are getting bombed out after a month of failure THE PLAYER IS KING . It's shit but it's reality. So people might admire the fact that Siewert came In and told home truths and kicked em up the arse. But did it really get him anywhere ? From where I was sat ONE player improved his performance under Siewert (Bacuna and that was difficult to analyse because he had hardly played previously) whereas moat regressed. And we won one game in loads of games.

So it's really not about being on Siewerts side or Billings side. It's about trying to get the best out of what you have (imo of course )

There are a lot of variables as far as JS taking over go and as someone well beyond their experience it would have been a miracle if he had turned last season around. I don’t think we can really judge him on that and he does have a lot to learn.

Billing has always, as many players do, split opinion. I can see his talent but I am not a fan, just my opinion.

Management, in any business, is about treating people in the way which gets the best results from them. However you cannot let employees take the piss and any manager who does that is heading for trouble.

DW, as has been said, made the sum greater than the component parts, but he could not pull them round when we got stuck.

Talented players who turn it on when they feel like it and expect an arm around their shoulder afterwards are not the sort I want in a team I support.

Darren Bullock was not the most talented footballer I’ve ever seen but I was always glad to see him on the teamsheet, even if he didn’t manage to stay on the pitch for the full game.🙂

[Chips Longhorn]

I , and I doubt anyone (apart from greyarea) expected Siewert to "turn it round " in terms of results . Certainly not to the extent of keeping us up

[BLUE&WHITE]

May 29, 2019 7:43:22 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

I said in March you could see signs that JS didn’t have a clue about people / man management

That view was based on the “I’m really angry” routine in interviews, taking no blame for results (despite poor subs etc in games like Everton) and needlessly stripping the captaincy from smith and Hogg while freezing players like Pritchard out of the first 18 for a month... it’s woeful line management

Look at it from billings perspective if you had a boss who believed in you, trusted you and had universal respect and this guy was replaced by a no mark youth team coach who just told you how shit you were you’d probably get disheartened as well - how people respond is then down to personalities

Talk of players being unhappy is rife in the local rumour mill and I’m talking players other than the Danes, diakhaby etc. Football circles talk and this won’t help us attract new players

Finally, I always thought we had a great dressing room - it was a strength - so I’m not onboard that our club is full of wrong uns after two seasons of massive overachievement

I agree in part with you, however it depends what has gone on behind the scenes. Is it good for the boss to openly critise his team, no, but what is their attitude to him behind closed doors?

If I had a team who did the right things in the right way and showed me respect, I protect them in public. Yet if they are not acting in the right way or treating me with respect they can have a few truths exposed.

My talks would then right themselves; look after me and I'll look after you, hang me out to dry and I'll do it to you.

Would you do this to most teams? No. But what is this teams attitude, we've already heard not good, VLP also sent away before siewert even got here.

As far as critising the players everytime... Again if they are given instructions and aren't following them, still showing me no respect I will hold them to account.
If they stick to instructions and it pays off good, they should have more faith in the instructions I give.

When I have weeded out the ones who are a problem and the others have recognised that they need to be respectful, get their heads down and work hard, that is when I protect the players. That is who I stick my neck out for. I think we will see that this season with the team setup as he wants and with certain players out.

Of course some of the things aren't said in a way which I would say it but when heard in context I do think that it's more a translation issue.

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I agree with Billing and what he said seems absolutely true- and did at the time. We got a young coach in who’s had some success at lower league level and came here thinking he could drive his style/ethos (whatever it is- we still don’t know) on the players. The big difference between him and Wagner is that Wag took over a team of mostly failures, Siewart took over a team who had had some success and had competed well in the prem. very different proposition requiring a different approach. Not one that sees players noses out out of joint and your best player on the wing.


Personally, I’d prefer to jettison Siewart now and build the team around Billing next year. Has the chairman spoken of his desire to return at the first time of asking? Not heard that. I hope it’s not a managed decline as it appears to be so far.

Siewart looks like he’d be far more comfortable down the league’s where the players will follow everything without questioning. That management approach is not appropriate at uk prem/championship level imo.

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May 30, 2019 8:54:41 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

I , and I doubt anyone (apart from greyarea) expected Siewert to "turn it round " in terms of results . Certainly not to the extent of keeping us up

What really could have gone worse for Siewart? Piss poor effort. I didn’t enjoy a single game since he came in because the players weren’t focussed and couldn’t defend properly anymore and hem players out of position of not sure what their role is. It was an utter shambles.

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May 30, 2019 8:41:13 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

May 30, 2019 8:09:14 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Its not a popularity contest.

Why are town fans suddenly waking up to the fact premier league players are spoilt prima donnas with over inflated egos ? The evidence has been there for years .

Managers can't bully their way to success these days. Unless he changed his style considerably Cloughy wouldn't have a prayer. Like it or loathe it one key part of a managers role is babysitting the egos. That's fact. In an era where players are getting paid 50k plus per week and managers are getting bombed out after a month of failure THE PLAYER IS KING . It's shit but it's reality. So people might admire the fact that Siewert came In and told home truths and kicked em up the arse. But did it really get him anywhere ? From where I was sat ONE player improved his performance under Siewert (Bacuna and that was difficult to analyse because he had hardly played previously) whereas moat regressed. And we won one game in loads of games.

So it's really not about being on Siewerts side or Billings side. It's about trying to get the best out of what you have (imo of course )

There are a lot of variables as far as JS taking over go and as someone well beyond their experience it would have been a miracle if he had turned last season around. I don’t think we can really judge him on that and he does have a lot to learn.

Billing has always, as many players do, split opinion. I can see his talent but I am not a fan, just my opinion.

Management, in any business, is about treating people in the way which gets the best results from them. However you cannot let employees take the piss and any manager who does that is heading for trouble.

DW, as has been said, made the sum greater than the component parts, but he could not pull them round when we got stuck.

Talented players who turn it on when they feel like it and expect an arm around their shoulder afterwards are not the sort I want in a team I support.

Darren Bullock was not the most talented footballer I’ve ever seen but I was always glad to see him on the teamsheet, even if he didn’t manage to stay on the pitch for the full game.🙂

With respect if you can’t handle players in your team who turn it on infrequently without slating or disowning them then your team won’t do very well, unless you can afford the Hazards who can perform their talents week in week out without. A club like Town needs flair players but we’re not gonna get the type who can do it every week. An HTFC coach needs to extract what talent their is from his squad- getting the most out of each player, each week. If that means arms around shoulders- even when things don’t come off then so be it. Ostracising your best players and playing others out of position is not the way go.

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May 30, 2019 9:09:26 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

May 30, 2019 8:54:41 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

I , and I doubt anyone (apart from greyarea) expected Siewert to "turn it round " in terms of results . Certainly not to the extent of keeping us up

What really could have gone worse for Siewart? Piss poor effort. I didn’t enjoy a single game since he came in because the players weren’t focussed and couldn’t defend properly anymore and hem players out of position of not sure what their role is. It was an utter shambles.

He inherited a team that were in utter shambles .Me I wish and want him to do well .He has my backing .
As for Billing let's hope we can offload the shitty git for some money. We have invested a heck of a lot in him over the years and his latest outburst is an absolute disgrace .
I do hope he gets a big fine from our new owner for his disrespect .

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May 30, 2019 9:16:53 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

May 30, 2019 8:41:13 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

There are a lot of variables as far as JS taking over go and as someone well beyond their experience it would have been a miracle if he had turned last season around. I don’t think we can really judge him on that and he does have a lot to learn.

Billing has always, as many players do, split opinion. I can see his talent but I am not a fan, just my opinion.

Management, in any business, is about treating people in the way which gets the best results from them. However you cannot let employees take the piss and any manager who does that is heading for trouble.

DW, as has been said, made the sum greater than the component parts, but he could not pull them round when we got stuck.

Talented players who turn it on when they feel like it and expect an arm around their shoulder afterwards are not the sort I want in a team I support.

Darren Bullock was not the most talented footballer I’ve ever seen but I was always glad to see him on the teamsheet, even if he didn’t manage to stay on the pitch for the full game.🙂

With respect if you can’t handle players in your team who turn it on infrequently without slating or disowning them then your team won’t do very well, unless you can afford the Hazards who can perform their talents week in week out without. A club like Town needs flair players but we’re not gonna get the type who can do it every week. An HTFC coach needs to extract what talent their is from his squad- getting the most out of each player, each week. If that means arms around shoulders- even when things don’t come off then so be it. Ostracising your best players and playing others out of position is not the way go.

Turning that around, pandering to 'prima donnas' is just as likely to demotivate the grafters, and just because you don't doesn't mean you have to play players out of position. I am not condoning the Neil Warnock school of motivation but mollycoddling is not a good alternative in my opinion. These are grown men with a well paid job to do.

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May 30, 2019 9:19:45 GMT 1 @harrison said:

May 30, 2019 9:09:26 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

What really could have gone worse for Siewart? Piss poor effort. I didn’t enjoy a single game since he came in because the players weren’t focussed and couldn’t defend properly anymore and hem players out of position of not sure what their role is. It was an utter shambles.

He inherited a team that were in utter shambles .Me I wish and want him to do well .He has my backing .
As for Billing let's hope we can offload the shitty git for some money. We have invested a heck of a lot in him over the years and his latest outburst is an absolute disgrace .
I do hope he gets a big fine from our new owner for his disrespect .

I don’t care what Billing said. I don’t get into all this paroquial stuff. He’s not born in hudds, boyhood fan etc. He’s just an employee like the rest. But he’s one of our most talented employees and could take us back to championship alongside Hogg, Mooy, Bacuna. Managers are ten a penny, quality players are not. Get a new fresh man in with some championship experience and we could be riding high next year.

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May 30, 2019 9:24:12 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

May 30, 2019 9:19:45 GMT 1 @harrison said:

He inherited a team that were in utter shambles .Me I wish and want him to do well .He has my backing .
As for Billing let's hope we can offload the shitty git for some money. We have invested a heck of a lot in him over the years and his latest outburst is an absolute disgrace .
I do hope he gets a big fine from our new owner for his disrespect .

I don’t care what Billing said. I don’t get into all this paroquial stuff. He’s not born in hudds, boyhood fan etc. He’s just an employee like the rest. But he’s one of our most talented employees and could take us back to championship alongside Hogg, Mooy, Bacuna. Managers are ten a penny, quality players are not. Get a new fresh man in with some championship experience and we could be riding high next year.

One of our most talented. employees Jeez you must have been watching,when he played or should I say selected to play, a very different employee to me .

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May 30, 2019 9:24:08 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

May 30, 2019 9:16:53 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

With respect if you can’t handle players in your team who turn it on infrequently without slating or disowning them then your team won’t do very well, unless you can afford the Hazards who can perform their talents week in week out without. A club like Town needs flair players but we’re not gonna get the type who can do it every week. An HTFC coach needs to extract what talent their is from his squad- getting the most out of each player, each week. If that means arms around shoulders- even when things don’t come off then so be it. Ostracising your best players and playing others out of position is not the way go.

Turning that around, pandering to 'prima donnas' is just as likely to demotivate the grafters, and just because you don't doesn't mean you have to play players out of position. I am not condoning the Neil Warnock school of motivation but mollycoddling is not a good alternative in my opinion. These are grown men with a well paid job to do.

Fair play. Let’s agree there’s a middle ground then. And Siewart is not on it. There are plenty of talented players who are inconsistent in the prem but you don’t see the manager hanging them out after the game- otherwise players like Arnautovic leave clubs like West Ham and they don’t want that. I bit of blind eye to inconsistency of your more talented or match winners is the way to go at the top level imo. Well, it’s how 95% of managers do it. I don’t see many others following Siewart’s approach do you? Not outside league 1/2.

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May 30, 2019 9:27:33 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

May 30, 2019 9:24:08 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

Turning that around, pandering to 'prima donnas' is just as likely to demotivate the grafters, and just because you don't doesn't mean you have to play players out of position. I am not condoning the Neil Warnock school of motivation but mollycoddling is not a good alternative in my opinion. These are grown men with a well paid job to do.

Fair play. Let’s agree there’s a middle ground then. And Siewart is not on it. There are plenty of talented players who are inconsistent in the prem but you don’t see the manager hanging them out after the game- otherwise players like Arnautovic leave clubs like West Ham and they don’t want that. I bit of blind eye to inconsistency of your more talented or match winners is the way to go at the top level imo. Well, it’s how 95% of managers do it. I don’t see many others following Siewart’s approach do you? Not outside league 1/2.

He is a bit raw and needs to improve his skills in many areas, probably including man management. Lets hope a middle ground which produces results is the end result. As with not writing off players who don't always get it right at first lets give the manager the same latitude.

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May 30, 2019 9:27:23 GMT 1 @harrison said:

May 30, 2019 9:24:12 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

I don’t care what Billing said. I don’t get into all this paroquial stuff. He’s not born in hudds, boyhood fan etc. He’s just an employee like the rest. But he’s one of our most talented employees and could take us back to championship alongside Hogg, Mooy, Bacuna. Managers are ten a penny, quality players are not. Get a new fresh man in with some championship experience and we could be riding high next year.

One of our most talented. employees Jeez you must have been watching,when he played or should I say selected to play, a very different employee to me .

Attitude arguably questionable but talent wise unquestionable. I watched him at old Trafford on Boxing Day and he could easily have been turning out for the opposition that day. Supreme talent. I’d probably go as far as staying watching him was the only thing I enjoyed about the whole season tbh. Everything since Jan..and Jan was a waste of time.

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May 30, 2019 9:35:41 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

May 30, 2019 9:27:33 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

Fair play. Let’s agree there’s a middle ground then. And Siewart is not on it. There are plenty of talented players who are inconsistent in the prem but you don’t see the manager hanging them out after the game- otherwise players like Arnautovic leave clubs like West Ham and they don’t want that. I bit of blind eye to inconsistency of your more talented or match winners is the way to go at the top level imo. Well, it’s how 95% of managers do it. I don’t see many others following Siewart’s approach do you? Not outside league 1/2.

He is a bit raw and needs to improve his skills in many areas, probably including man management. Lets hope a middle ground which produces results is the end result. As with not writing off players who don't always get it right at first lets give the manager the same latitude.

I can’t see it myself. Happy to be proved wrong. I only wrote off plyers who have 1 good game out of 20 or ratios like that. I’m not sure this manager has had 1 good game yet. The jury is very much out for me.

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May 30, 2019 9:06:44 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

I agree with Billing and what he said seems absolutely true- and did at the time. We got a young coach in who’s had some success at lower league level and came here thinking he could drive his style/ethos (whatever it is- we still don’t know) on the players. The big difference between him and Wagner is that Wag took over a team of mostly failures, Siewart took over a team who had had some success and had competed well in the prem. very different proposition requiring a different approach. Not one that sees players noses out out of joint and your best player on the wing.


Personally, I’d prefer to jettison Siewart now and build the team around Billing next year. Has the chairman spoken of his desire to return at the first time of asking? Not heard that. I hope it’s not a managed decline as it appears to be so far.

Siewart looks like he’d be far more comfortable down the league’s where the players will follow everything without questioning. That management approach is not appropriate at uk prem/championship level imo.

To make it even worse and side with Billing, Siewert has had no success at lower league level, he got sacked by a 4th tier team.......

[CaptainHart]

Eight straight defeats and a draw is "competing well".

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May 30, 2019 9:06:44 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

I agree with Billing and what he said seems absolutely true- and did at the time. We got a young coach in who’s had some success at lower league level and came here thinking he could drive his style/ethos (whatever it is- we still don’t know) on the players. The big difference between him and Wagner is that Wag took over a team of mostly failures, Siewart took over a team who had had some success and had competed well in the prem. very different proposition requiring a different approach. Not one that sees players noses out out of joint and your best player on the wing.


Personally, I’d prefer to jettison Siewart now and build the team around Billing next year. Has the chairman spoken of his desire to return at the first time of asking? Not heard that. I hope it’s not a managed decline as it appears to be so far.

Siewart looks like he’d be far more comfortable down the league’s where the players will follow everything without questioning. That management approach is not appropriate at uk prem/championship level imo.

go in a Warnock dressing room and youd soon change your tune are a pullis one

[palaceman42]

Someone on our forum suggested Billing, to which one poster responded that he wasn't big enough and our midfield lacked height. I dread to think what sort of player they'd want to see us signing!

[Manx Terrier]

May 30, 2019 9:35:41 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

May 30, 2019 9:27:33 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

Fair play. Let’s agree there’s a middle ground then. And Siewart is not on it. There are plenty of talented players who are inconsistent in the prem but you don’t see the manager hanging them out after the game- otherwise players like Arnautovic leave clubs like West Ham and they don’t want that. I bit of blind eye to inconsistency of your more talented or match winners is the way to go at the top level imo. Well, it’s how 95% of managers do it. I don’t see many others following Siewart’s approach do you? Not outside league 1/2.

He is a bit raw and needs to improve his skills in many areas, probably including man management. Lets hope a middle ground which produces results is the end result. As with not writing off players who don't always get it right at first lets give the manager the same latitude.

But he shouldn't be learning with us. To learn he could have become a manager's assistant or practiced with a league 2 team.


I hope he turns out to be excellent in time but we need an experienced manager right now. Forthwith. Team spirit must be built before the season starts.

[k1htafc]

May 30, 2019 13:16:03 GMT 1 palaceman42 said:

Someone on our forum suggested Billing, to which one poster responded that he wasn't big enough and our midfield lacked height. I dread to think what sort of player they'd want to see us signing!

His first comment made sense that he isn't 'big' enough - he's about as wiry as Peter Crouch and that's saying something...but the second? One of your posters has been on the special sauce if he thinks the tallest midfielder in the top five leagues of European football is too small.

Wonder if he mistook Billing for Bacuna?

[town1]

Is it a coincidence that the official website have a new article today with Matt Daly praising the impact of Siewert?

[zoso]

May 30, 2019 13:16:03 GMT 1 palaceman42 said:

Someone on our forum suggested Billing, to which one poster responded that he wasn't big enough and our midfield lacked height. I dread to think what sort of player they'd want to see us signing!

His head certainty is mate! 

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May 30, 2019 13:19:51 GMT 1 Manx Terrier said:

May 30, 2019 9:35:41 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

He is a bit raw and needs to improve his skills in many areas, probably including man management. Lets hope a middle ground which produces results is the end result. As with not writing off players who don't always get it right at first lets give the manager the same latitude.

But he shouldn't be learning with us. To learn he could have become a manager's assistant or practiced with a league 2 team.


I hope he turns out to be excellent in time but we need an experienced manager right now. Forthwith. Team spirit must be built before the season starts.

The reason we got David Wagner was because Dean Hoyle thought we needed to try a different approach. We are not a glamorous club. We can get middle of the road 'experienced' managers but the good ones will be wanting to go to clubs they see as more likely to invest in players which will make it easier for them to succeed.

We are going down the same route again as we did with DW, possibly because the first time it didn't turn out too bad. DW learned with us and although he was not perfect he turned out to be a pretty good manager. We need to give Jan Siewert the same chance to succeed. We know we need to make the academy more productive and with his youth development experience we may be able to do that.

He is obviously different to David Wagner and I doubt if anyone knows, including him, if he will succeed, but that is the trajectory this club has set itself on and that is what we need to support.

[royrace]

May 30, 2019 17:35:28 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

May 30, 2019 13:19:51 GMT 1 Manx Terrier said:

But he shouldn't be learning with us. To learn he could have become a manager's assistant or practiced with a league 2 team.


I hope he turns out to be excellent in time but we need an experienced manager right now. Forthwith. Team spirit must be built before the season starts.

The reason we got David Wagner was because Dean Hoyle thought we needed to try a different approach. We are not a glamorous club. We can get middle of the road 'experienced' managers but the good ones will be wanting to go to clubs they see as more likely to invest in players which will make it easier for them to succeed.

We are going down the same route again as we did with DW, possibly because the first time it didn't turn out too bad. DW learned with us and although he was not perfect he turned out to be a pretty good manager. We need to give Jan Siewert the same chance to succeed. We know we need to make the academy more productive and with his youth development experience we may be able to do that.

He is obviously different to David Wagner and I doubt if anyone knows, including him, if he will succeed, but that is the trajectory this club has set itself on and that is what we need to support.

Wagner was seriously impressive from day one in every department, lets not kid ourselves that Jan's start has been anything but seriously underwhelming in a number of different areas. As for Wagner not being perfect I think he was as close to perfect as we'll ever get!

You're right that they are like chalk and cheese and from what I've seen Siewert wont be a success here but he is rightly being given a chance and Dean seems to be standing firmly by his man. Lets hope its the correct decision and if it's not we don't set ourselves back by completely dismantling what is the basis of a good championship squad. 

[ACW]

May 30, 2019 9:06:44 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

I agree with Billing and what he said seems absolutely true- and did at the time. We got a young coach in who’s had some success at lower league level and came here thinking he could drive his style/ethos (whatever it is- we still don’t know) on the players. The big difference between him and Wagner is that Wag took over a team of mostly failures, Siewart took over a team who had had some success and had competed well in the prem. very different proposition requiring a different approach. Not one that sees players noses out out of joint and your best player on the wing.


Personally, I’d prefer to jettison Siewart now and build the team around Billing next year. Has the chairman spoken of his desire to return at the first time of asking? Not heard that. I hope it’s not a managed decline as it appears to be so far.

Siewart looks like he’d be far more comfortable down the league’s where the players will follow everything without questioning. That management approach is not appropriate at uk prem/championship level imo.

I'm not convinced by Siewert, but after weighing up everything that's gone on, I'd rather Billing went than the manager. He's shown he's not committed to the club anymore. How can we build a team around a player like that?

I could no longer put my trust in Billing. And I doubt anyone at the club would either.

Siewert has a lot to prove, but at least he's committed. That's a start, and puts him in front of Billing in my mind.

[Hammy (still in Golcar)]

Guys a tool.
He needs to come with us for a week laying concrete, he’ll soon learn about a few of life’s little comforts

[ACW]

May 30, 2019 9:24:12 GMT 1 @joseppi1 said:

May 30, 2019 9:19:45 GMT 1 @harrison said:

He inherited a team that were in utter shambles .Me I wish and want him to do well .He has my backing .
As for Billing let's hope we can offload the shitty git for some money. We have invested a heck of a lot in him over the years and his latest outburst is an absolute disgrace .
I do hope he gets a big fine from our new owner for his disrespect .

I don’t care what Billing said. I don’t get into all this paroquial stuff. He’s not born in hudds, boyhood fan etc. He’s just an employee like the rest. But he’s one of our most talented employees and could take us back to championship alongside Hogg, Mooy, Bacuna. Managers are ten a penny, quality players are not. Get a new fresh man in with some championship experience and we could be riding high next year.

How could we have we trust Billing again, never mind rely on him to be an integral part of a promotion-challenging team?

Academic anyway. I don't think we'll ever see him in the Town first team again.

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May 30, 2019 17:56:06 GMT 1 royrace said:

May 30, 2019 17:35:28 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

The reason we got David Wagner was because Dean Hoyle thought we needed to try a different approach. We are not a glamorous club. We can get middle of the road 'experienced' managers but the good ones will be wanting to go to clubs they see as more likely to invest in players which will make it easier for them to succeed.

We are going down the same route again as we did with DW, possibly because the first time it didn't turn out too bad. DW learned with us and although he was not perfect he turned out to be a pretty good manager. We need to give Jan Siewert the same chance to succeed. We know we need to make the academy more productive and with his youth development experience we may be able to do that.

He is obviously different to David Wagner and I doubt if anyone knows, including him, if he will succeed, but that is the trajectory this club has set itself on and that is what we need to support.

Wagner was seriously impressive from day one in every department, lets not kid ourselves that Jan's start has been anything but seriously underwhelming in a number of different areas. As for Wagner not being perfect I think he was as close to perfect as we'll ever get!

You're right that they are like chalk and cheese and from what I've seen Siewert wont be a success here but he is rightly being given a chance and Dean seems to be standing firmly by his man. Lets hope its the correct decision and if it's not we don't set ourselves back by completely dismantling what is the basis of a good championship squad. 

I am a big fan of David Wagner and always defended him but in his full three seasons we had a negative goal difference each time. We struggled scoring goals and that never got resolved. He is a great guy and he took us to the Premier League but he had his faults. Jan will have faults as well but we need a new approach if we are to be a competitive side this coming season. I don't know how radical that will be but he will learn as he goes and this season may be a bedding in one but we need to be patient.