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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 5, 2019 20:36:53 GMT 1
I never felt throughout the long losing run of games in December and early January that any of the players weren’t trying. They put in great shifts at Bournemouth, Arsenal and Man U during that time. We looked organised and competitive, created chances and pretty much all the games were competitive affairs. In the latter part of the season, we became disjointed, players stopped caring and positional discipline went to pot - you only need to look at the Opta analysis to see this. Yet some seem to blame DW. Absolutely crazy. Laurent Depoitre was doing a good impression of someone not trying in my opinion If you analyse the striker stats, LDP did more kilometres per 90 mins than either of our other strikers. I never felt he wasn’t trying. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 5, 2019 20:40:09 GMT 1
I never felt throughout the long losing run of games in December and early January that any of the players weren’t trying. They put in great shifts at Bournemouth, Arsenal and Man U during that time. We looked organised and competitive, created chances and pretty much all the games were competitive affairs. In the latter part of the season, we became disjointed, players stopped caring and positional discipline went to pot - you only need to look at the Opta analysis to see this. Yet some seem to blame DW. Absolutely crazy. I see that as being coincidental with the squad resigning themselves to relegation in the wake of Wagner quitting rather than anything Jan did. Granted we were competitive in those three games you mentioned but for every one of those there was Fulham away, Newcastle home, Southampton home, and Cardiff away. All under Wagner, all dreadful performances which Siewert would've rightly got pelters for. Fwiw I think Newcastle away under Siewert probably ties with the Fulham game in terms of how bad we were. Newcastle at home was certainly not an example of players not trying nor was Cardiff away. We dominated both games. If you think Newcastle at home was bad, you clearly weren’t at Newcastle away, a 450 mile round trip for me and the most shambolic and gutless performance I can recall in recent years. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 5, 2019 20:43:33 GMT 1
Laurent Depoitre was doing a good impression of someone not trying in my opinion If you analyse the striker stats, LDP did more kilometres per 90 mins than either of our other strikers. I never felt he wasn’t trying. Really ? I said in his first season he was the best striker I'd seen at the club. I'm afraid that , for whatever reason, last season he was one of the worst.. unless he had an injury then something was going on.. I'm not having it that the problems were solely around him .. He seemed less than fit and half assed to me .. but maybe I'm wrong and you're right it's all about opinions |
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Post by mayorofcov (BFHB) Honours on Jun 5, 2019 20:45:35 GMT 1
Give jan a chance you hideous fookers
Let’s see what his team is like nxt season
WIN LOOSE OR DRAW
WERE ON THE BEVY
UTT
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 5, 2019 21:38:22 GMT 1
As has been said by others it wasn't team spirit that resulted in us going on the losing run prior to Wagner departing. It was injuries, lack of quality due to awful transfer business and terrible luck. Once the writing was on the wall it was obviously going to be very difficult for any incoming manager to motivate however Fulham managed it as did West Brom the season before. I think Wagner is being used as the scapegoat here by some, not Siewert. The difference being that the managers they replaced weren't particularly liked, or successful, (you can add Southampton to the list). This was Wagner's team, Wagner's players and they'd had amazing succes with him yet he walked away admitting he couldn't motivate them. The team was broken before Siewart came in. What's Wagner the scapegoat for? Lets not forget also that those teams had better individual players in than ours, so there was more scope to coach improved performances out of then |
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Post by andyeastleake on Jun 5, 2019 22:08:15 GMT 1
I'm saying that Wagner was good when it was going well... keeping us a run, but terrible at turning it around. We had a long run of games without a win (10 ish) in our promotion season. I'm sorry I don't get this. We got promotion after " a long run of games without a win (10 ish)". ...but Wagner was "terrible at turning it around". Doesn't the word "Promotion" in the bit I've quoted suggest a contradiction in there? |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 5, 2019 22:36:11 GMT 1
I'm saying that Wagner was good when it was going well... keeping us a run, but terrible at turning it around. We had a long run of games without a win (10 ish) in our promotion season. I'm sorry I don't get this. We got promotion after " a long run of games without a win (10 ish)". ...but Wagner was "terrible at turning it around". Doesn't the word "Promotion" in the bit I've quoted suggest a contradiction in there? We also never went more than 5 games without a win, but don’t let bullshit get in the way of a good theory. |
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Post by space hardware on Jun 5, 2019 22:45:44 GMT 1
I'm sorry I don't get this. We got promotion after " a long run of games without a win (10 ish)". ...but Wagner was "terrible at turning it around". Doesn't the word "Promotion" in the bit I've quoted suggest a contradiction in there? We also never went more than 5 games without a win, but don’t let bullshit get in the way of a good theory. Exactly. Why do people even engage with that fuckwit 😂😂? |
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jun 6, 2019 1:10:17 GMT 1
I see that as being coincidental with the squad resigning themselves to relegation in the wake of Wagner quitting rather than anything Jan did. Granted we were competitive in those three games you mentioned but for every one of those there was Fulham away, Newcastle home, Southampton home, and Cardiff away. All under Wagner, all dreadful performances which Siewert would've rightly got pelters for. Fwiw I think Newcastle away under Siewert probably ties with the Fulham game in terms of how bad we were. Newcastle at home was certainly not an example of players not trying nor was Cardiff away. We dominated both games. If you think Newcastle at home was bad, you clearly weren’t at Newcastle away, a 450 mile round trip for me and the most shambolic and gutless performance I can recall in recent years. I think I might have got Newcastle home mixed up with another one, but Cardiff away was terrible. We were in control more than them but it was still a shocking standard of football. |
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