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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 10, 2019 14:24:09 GMT 1
I reckon if we sign Reece Brown as is rumoured, that's already got us a very functional 3 man midfield, even in the event of Mooy (and Billing although that's a given) leaving. Hogg holding, Bacuna box to box, Brown creating. O'Brien can fill in either of the latter two roles as well as out wide. Add a left back or two, a centre half and a bit of cover elsewhere, then take away the likely leavers for a decent profit, and we've got a young and hungry side in more financial health than most of the division. UTT I wonder if you are not factoring in quite how many of our first team squad might leave. I have a good contact in the game who, though he doesn’t work at Town (works for a Midlands club), mentioned to me the level of dissatisfaction with Siewert even among some players (with whom my contact has some direct/indirect contact), who gave their all and were certainly not ‘disgraces’. I’d be surprised if our starting line up in August contains more than a couple of our regulars from the season just finished. |
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jun 10, 2019 14:46:12 GMT 1
I reckon if we sign Reece Brown as is rumoured, that's already got us a very functional 3 man midfield, even in the event of Mooy (and Billing although that's a given) leaving. Hogg holding, Bacuna box to box, Brown creating. O'Brien can fill in either of the latter two roles as well as out wide. Add a left back or two, a centre half and a bit of cover elsewhere, then take away the likely leavers for a decent profit, and we've got a young and hungry side in more financial health than most of the division. UTT I wonder if you are not factoring in quite how many of our first team squad might leave. I have a good contact in the game who, though he doesn’t work at Town (works for a Midlands club), mentioned to me the level of dissatisfaction with Siewert even among some players (with whom my contact has some direct/indirect contact), who gave their all and were certainly not ‘disgraces’. I’d be surprised if our starting line up in August contains more than a couple of our regulars from the season just finished. That depends on actually being able to shift them while getting replacements in. At the moment, in order of likelihood, I reckon: Billing, Zanka, Sabiri, Mooy, Kongolo, and Hadergjonaj will definitely be off, with: Pritchard, Schindler, Mounie, Diakhaby, and Kachunga in the 'wouldn't be surprised' category. The rest I'd be more surprised to see go but wouldn't discount the possibility entirely. With that, and Jan's record with blooding youth players in mind- No incoming keepers (or none until January if Coleman and Hamer don't prove capable). A right back for cover if Duhaney goes on loan/for starting Smith is sold. 2 new left backs, at least 2 new centre backs, 2-3 midfielders of different specialities, a winger and a forward. That's if all the names I mentioned leave. |
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Post by mrscribbs on Jun 10, 2019 15:35:45 GMT 1
Not sure Kongolo will definitely go ( would put him in the not surprised category) but think Sobhi is definitely off ; would add Quaner ,Van La Parra ,Hogg and Smith to the not surprised category and would expect either Hamer or Coleman to be sold or loaned out. Other than the youngsters the only players I would be surprised to leave are Grant, Bacuna, Mbenza and Stankovic.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 10, 2019 17:12:56 GMT 1
I reckon if we sign Reece Brown as is rumoured, that's already got us a very functional 3 man midfield, even in the event of Mooy (and Billing although that's a given) leaving. Hogg holding, Bacuna box to box, Brown creating. O'Brien can fill in either of the latter two roles as well as out wide. Add a left back or two, a centre half and a bit of cover elsewhere, then take away the likely leavers for a decent profit, and we've got a young and hungry side in more financial health than most of the division. UTT I wonder if you are not factoring in quite how many of our first team squad might leave. I have a good contact in the game who, though he doesn’t work at Town (works for a Midlands club), mentioned to me the level of dissatisfaction with Siewert even among some players (with whom my contact has some direct/indirect contact), who gave their all and were certainly not ‘disgraces’. I’d be surprised if our starting line up in August contains more than a couple of our regulars from the season just finished. This is a concern if true. Previously mentioned by a few of us on here. |
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Post by shawsie on Jun 10, 2019 17:22:30 GMT 1
I reckon if we sign Reece Brown as is rumoured, that's already got us a very functional 3 man midfield, even in the event of Mooy (and Billing although that's a given) leaving. Hogg holding, Bacuna box to box, Brown creating. O'Brien can fill in either of the latter two roles as well as out wide. Add a left back or two, a centre half and a bit of cover elsewhere, then take away the likely leavers for a decent profit, and we've got a young and hungry side in more financial health than most of the division. UTT I wonder if you are not factoring in quite how many of our first team squad might leave. I have a good contact in the game who, though he doesn’t work at Town (works for a Midlands club), mentioned to me the level of dissatisfaction with Siewert even among some players (with whom my contact has some direct/indirect contact), who gave their all and were certainly not ‘disgraces’. I’d be surprised if our starting line up in August contains more than a couple of our regulars from the season just finished. Think you are spot on....I'd go as far as to say there might not be any of our experienced lads here in Aug. Clubs will be monitoring Hogg, schindler, Pritchard, diakhaby as well as those expected to go or known to want to leave. It might not be a bad thing.....but we have to make sure we don't do a Sunderland. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 17:27:55 GMT 1
If some of these players who were not disgraces and are an integral part are not happy with Siewert, add to the ones who downed tools, then why is he still here?
I am all for giving him a go, but thought it was just a few bad eggs. If these other lot dont like him, then I think it tells its own story. They dont and wont respect him, if they dont, will some new folk coming in respect a guy with zero on his CV, playing or 1st team management?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 17:43:45 GMT 1
If some of these players who were not disgraces and are an integral part are not happy with Siewert, add to the ones who downed tools, then why is he still here? I am all for giving him a go, but thought it was just a few bad eggs. If these other lot dont like him, then I think it tells its own story. They dont and wont respect him, if they dont, will some new folk coming in respect a guy with zero on his CV, playing or 1st team management? If.... If....If.... |
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jun 10, 2019 17:48:13 GMT 1
Not sure Kongolo will definitely go ( would put him in the not surprised category) but think Sobhi is definitely off ; would add Quaner ,Van La Parra ,Hogg and Smith to the not surprised category and would expect either Hamer or Coleman to be sold or loaned out. Other than the youngsters the only players I would be surprised to leave are Grant, Bacuna, Mbenza and Stankovic. bloody hell I forgot Sobhi even existed. Must be Nick's lack of arse related posts about him |
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Post by haskins on Jun 10, 2019 17:54:58 GMT 1
We do seem to be conjuring the absolute worst situation about Jan’s management style with little evidence apart from what we have seen on the pitch and speculation about the reasons for Billing getting the end of season awards. There is an alternative view which is that the hierarchy at BVB aren’t idiots and seem to be able to hire (but not retain) good second string managers and that Siewert came with a good reputation. With my glass more than half full I am really looking forward to seeing what he can coach into a team of his own making. We have as much chance next season as anyone else in the division of playing some exciting attacking football and getting points on the board early.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 18:05:23 GMT 1
If some of these players who were not disgraces and are an integral part are not happy with Siewert, add to the ones who downed tools, then why is he still here? I am all for giving him a go, but thought it was just a few bad eggs. If these other lot dont like him, then I think it tells its own story. They dont and wont respect him, if they dont, will some new folk coming in respect a guy with zero on his CV, playing or 1st team management? If.... If....If.... Aye, hence me putting if. Going off what the other poster has said in regards to knowing someone. IF its true, I stand by it, if not, scrap last. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 18:07:07 GMT 1
We do seem to be conjuring the absolute worst situation about Jan’s management style with little evidence apart from what we have seen on the pitch and speculation about the reasons for Billing getting the end of season awards. There is an alternative view which is that the hierarchy at BVB aren’t idiots and seem to be able to hire (but not retain) good second string managers and that Siewert came with a good reputation. With my glass more than half full I am really looking forward to seeing what he can coach into a team of his own making. We have as much chance next season as anyone else in the division of playing some exciting attacking football and getting points on the board early. Hes good at youth development, no question. Working with grown men, he hasnt done well. His last 1st team management in the 4th tier is proof. Some Youth Coaches and Assistants, dont tend to make good managers. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 10, 2019 18:22:44 GMT 1
We do seem to be conjuring the absolute worst situation about Jan’s management style with little evidence apart from what we have seen on the pitch and speculation about the reasons for Billing getting the end of season awards. There is an alternative view which is that the hierarchy at BVB aren’t idiots and seem to be able to hire (but not retain) good second string managers and that Siewert came with a good reputation. With my glass more than half full I am really looking forward to seeing what he can coach into a team of his own making. We have as much chance next season as anyone else in the division of playing some exciting attacking football and getting points on the board early. I’m not disagreeing with you, simply saying that the clearout in the summer will be bigger than many think IF players who want to move manage to secure a deal. |
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Post by wetherbyterrier1972 on Jun 10, 2019 18:26:07 GMT 1
My confidence in next season is beginning to fade. Someone give me some hope
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 18:27:29 GMT 1
We do seem to be conjuring the absolute worst situation about Jan’s management style with little evidence apart from what we have seen on the pitch and speculation about the reasons for Billing getting the end of season awards. There is an alternative view which is that the hierarchy at BVB aren’t idiots and seem to be able to hire (but not retain) good second string managers and that Siewert came with a good reputation. With my glass more than half full I am really looking forward to seeing what he can coach into a team of his own making. We have as much chance next season as anyone else in the division of playing some exciting attacking football and getting points on the board early. Hes good at youth development, no question. Working with grown men, he hasnt done well. His last 1st team management in the 4th tier is proof. Some Youth Coaches and Assistants, dont tend to make good managers. To be fair working with 22 and 23 year olds is hardly not working with grown men. I remember when Wagner came in continual references to the relegation on his cv. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 18:33:08 GMT 1
Hes good at youth development, no question. Working with grown men, he hasnt done well. His last 1st team management in the 4th tier is proof. Some Youth Coaches and Assistants, dont tend to make good managers. To be fair working with 22 and 23 year olds is hardly not working with grown men. I remember when Wagner came in continual references to the relegation on his cv. Not all of them are of that age. He was relegated with Dortmunds kids, Siewert with a 1st team who were tipped to be top 6. But I suppose we did have doubts with Wagner, but he brought something different and a unity. Siewert has brought a divide, if what people say is true. Even forgetting the management aspect, Wagner could attract and command respect due to a playing career at the highest level, if not the highes level then a decent one. I've a better level of playing than Siewert.... I know it doesnt come down to how good your playing career was etc, but there isnt anything credible on there, comes in and apparently divides the current players. All IFs, but im still one for giving him a go as I dont want some Powell man in and turn into shit. Lets see how big his balls are and what happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 18:49:15 GMT 1
To be fair working with 22 and 23 year olds is hardly not working with grown men. I remember when Wagner came in continual references to the relegation on his cv. Not all of them are of that age. He was relegated with Dortmunds kids, Siewert with a 1st team who were tipped to be top 6. But I suppose we did have doubts with Wagner, but he brought something different and a unity. Siewert has brought a divide, if what people say is true. Even forgetting the management aspect, Wagner could attract and command respect due to a playing career at the highest level, if not the highes level then a decent one. I've a better level of playing than Siewert.... I know it doesnt come down to how good your playing career was etc, but there isnt anything credible on there, comes in and apparently divides the current players. All IFs, but im still one for giving him a go as I dont want some Powell man in and turn into shit. Lets see how big his balls are and what happens. I wouldn't worry about the size of his balls, I reckon coming in and tackling some of our big time charlies head on proves something. I'd be more concerned about the gonad size of certain posters on here! Present company excepted of course. As positive would say....Time will tell.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 18:52:09 GMT 1
Not all of them are of that age. He was relegated with Dortmunds kids, Siewert with a 1st team who were tipped to be top 6. But I suppose we did have doubts with Wagner, but he brought something different and a unity. Siewert has brought a divide, if what people say is true. Even forgetting the management aspect, Wagner could attract and command respect due to a playing career at the highest level, if not the highes level then a decent one. I've a better level of playing than Siewert.... I know it doesnt come down to how good your playing career was etc, but there isnt anything credible on there, comes in and apparently divides the current players. All IFs, but im still one for giving him a go as I dont want some Powell man in and turn into shit. Lets see how big his balls are and what happens. I wouldn't worry about the size of his balls, I reckon coming in and tackling some of our big time charlies head on proves something. I'd be more concerned about the gonad size of certain posters on here! Present company excepted of course. As positive would say....Time will tell. I hope he clears out whoever, brings in people who will work for him and their peers. The last squad was Wagners, give this guy his and i will judge him in December/January. I think his style, given the right calibre of players, could work well in the Championship. Correct, time will tell and i hope he does bloody well as do most. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 18:54:44 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry about the size of his balls, I reckon coming in and tackling some of our big time charlies head on proves something. I'd be more concerned about the gonad size of certain posters on here! Present company excepted of course. As positive would say....Time will tell. I hope he clears out whoever, brings in people who will work for him and their peers. The last squad was Wagners, give this guy his and i will judge him in December/January. I think his style, given the right calibre of players, could work well in the Championship. Correct, time will tell and i hope he does bloody well as do most. Well said.  |
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Post by k1man999 on Jun 10, 2019 19:25:48 GMT 1
I think Jan has got until the November International break, if we are not in and around the playoffs phills arse will go as he needs us in the prem if the takeover deal is structured as I have mentioned on another thread which is getting more credance the longer it takes to be ratified IMO.also we need to be up that end of table to keep a lot of the new fan base otherwise season after season card sales will fall off I would suspect.
I hope Jan does well I have doubts about him but I hope he proves me wrong.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 10, 2019 19:48:32 GMT 1
My confidence in next season is beginning to fade. Someone give me some hope I think we will beat Millwall, Reading and QPR at home. Im not sure about the others. That’s one more home win than this season. |
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Post by softboy on Jun 10, 2019 19:48:48 GMT 1
Would prefer Jan went now - rather than him wasting money which a half decent manager could spend wisely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 20:26:43 GMT 1
Would prefer Jan went now - rather than him wasting money which a half decent manager could spend wisely. Rather stick with Jan than waste money on a half decent manager. |
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Post by fran on Jun 11, 2019 13:06:34 GMT 1
Like I said when he was appointed poor record before he arrived done nothing with us. I think if we see the likes of Schindler, Hogg, and Grant
wanting to go along with those how have said things in the press then we are in trouble. Also when ambulance chasing illegal betting man of the people
worst dressed man of the year (does anyone think he has ever owned a pair of jeans)
gets his feet under the desk I think we will see 2nd division kids and free transfers arriving and the parachute payment going else were. Hope I am wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:19:43 GMT 1
Like I said when he was appointed poor record before he arrived done nothing with us. I think if we see the likes of Schindler, Hogg, and Grant wanting to go along with those how have said things in the press then we are in trouble. Also when ambulance chasing illegal betting man of the people worst dressed man of the year (does anyone think he has ever owned a pair of jeans) gets his feet under the desk I think we will see 2nd division kids and free transfers arriving and the parachute payment going else were. Hope I am wrong good post you have managed to make the other moaners and ill informed look good. you should work for the examiner |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jun 11, 2019 13:21:29 GMT 1
Like I said when he was appointed poor record before he arrived done nothing with us. I think if we see the likes of Schindler, Hogg, and Grant wanting to go along with those how have said things in the press then we are in trouble. Also when ambulance chasing illegal betting man of the people worst dressed man of the year (does anyone think he has ever owned a pair of jeans) gets his feet under the desk I think we will see 2nd division kids and free transfers arriving and the parachute payment going else were. Hope I am wrong Not a fan of the new owner then? |
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Post by space hardware on Jun 11, 2019 13:23:40 GMT 1
Like I said when he was appointed poor record before he arrived done nothing with us. I think if we see the likes of Schindler, Hogg, and Grant wanting to go along with those how have said things in the press then we are in trouble. Also when ambulance chasing illegal betting man of the people worst dressed man of the year (does anyone think he has ever owned a pair of jeans) gets his feet under the desk I think we will see 2nd division kids and free transfers arriving and the parachute payment going else were. Hope I am wrong Not a fan of the new owner then? 😁😁 In the same way as Porrohman is "not a fan of Liverpool FC". |
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Post by benhomly on Jun 11, 2019 13:27:45 GMT 1
Like I said when he was appointed poor record before he arrived done nothing with us. I think if we see the likes of Schindler, Hogg, and Grant wanting to go along with those how have said things in the press then we are in trouble. Also when ambulance chasing illegal betting man of the people worst dressed man of the year (does anyone think he has ever owned a pair of jeans) gets his feet under the desk I think we will see 2nd division kids and free transfers arriving and the parachute payment going else were. Hope I am wrong Not a fan of the new owner then? Didn't get the job somewhere along the line perhaps? Or maybe the ambulance chasing reference is the clue? Or just another idiot poster. |
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Post by londonterrier11 on Jun 12, 2019 10:31:40 GMT 1
Let's try and be positive people and remember where we have come from.
2/3 seasons ago DW took over as an unknown quantity. He took over at the half way point in a season and delivered enough, yet unspectacular results with a squad that wasn't his. JS is in exactly the same position - he can only be judged on next season when he has time to put build his team / style and, quite frankly, is playing against teams of similar quality.
With regards to the squad, I think we will be ok. We have some good talent and will add to this with the cash we got from 2 seasons in the Prem. Let's not forget DH stated that the plan was for the Prem money to be spent establishing ourselves in the long term as a bigger club (think Bournemouth, Brighton etc).
Finally, we need to remember where we came from. In 16/17 we had one of the lowest budgets in the Championship and were one of the faves to be in a relegation battle. We got promoted, added new players and developed existing ones. We MAY not be top 6 next year - it's an extremely competitive league - but I'm confident we're much better off as a club, and would be surprised if we're not having another crack at the Prem again in the next 3/4 seasons.
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Post by londonterrier11 on Jun 12, 2019 10:37:21 GMT 1
Additionally, the Championship is a good standard, better than the top tier in many countries. With wages to match. Many of the players 'leaving' will stay - most joined a championship club and many are arguably championship standard.
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Post by marshterrier on Jun 12, 2019 13:01:45 GMT 1
Agree with most of the players highlighted for departure but as noted above it could be tricky offloading some of them.
If we end up with some of them still on the books it is up to Jan to motivate them and the individual to knuckle down.
I hope things get going soon on the transfers out as we have to let Jan rebuild the squad.
I have a feeling Diakhaby and VLP may well stay put and should do well next season.
I hope we replace Mounie but cant see why any side would want to take him unless it was a free.
That said , I am sure there will be a few surprises and someone who has been written off as a nailed on departure will do well for us.
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