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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 23, 2019 17:56:23 GMT 1
Neatly worked corner should be game over now. Next game will be much tougher. I'd hope so. This is the last 16 of the World Cup and some of their players cannot play football. Atleast ours actually look like decent footballers now and again |
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Post by mids on Jun 23, 2019 18:10:39 GMT 1
Occasionally...its like watching U10's sometimes
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 23, 2019 18:26:54 GMT 1
Awkward game with the VAR decisions and England some way off what they can do but it's job done and onward to face Norway.
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Post by stanton1969 on Jun 23, 2019 18:35:00 GMT 1
Awful refereeing...again. VAR a complete joke. Cameroon an absolute disgrace and going home....rightly so.
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Post by wigster on Jun 23, 2019 18:56:50 GMT 1
I've a certain amount of sympathy for the Cameroons - to be fair it could easily be argued that the first goal/free kick was not a back pass and to spot the offside that ruled out Cameroon's "goal" you must have incredible eyesight, even with VAR. Add to that our winger was well "offside" for our second goal, though I totally accept it was not offside if you accept she was not interfering with play.
BBC commentators going over the top as usual and PLEASE could the 2 commentators (Pearce and partner) SHUT UP occasionally - they never let more than a few seconds go without feeling they have to talk and it's usually inane drivel or silly in-jokes.
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Post by sonny on Jun 23, 2019 19:06:20 GMT 1
Cameroon's antics reminiscent of their men's team's first appearance in 1990 when they pretty much committed GBH against Argentina. Nice to see VAR enhancing the beautiful game again.
If only women could shoot it might be worth watching.
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 23, 2019 20:14:55 GMT 1
VAR is going to ruin the game
Clear and obvious errors only. An inch in offside is not that
Then when the going gets tough you don’t give an obvs penalty or send a player off
The likes of man ure will take the piss with it.
Get it banned now
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 23, 2019 20:30:42 GMT 1
Collina has apparently said he thinks VAR has worked 'very well' so far according to the commentator.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 23, 2019 20:55:52 GMT 1
Collina has apparently said he thinks VAR has worked 'very well' so far according to the commentator. Good grief. He has to be paid to say that. These twats stand to gain massively from its introduction. |
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Post by swam4mwg on Jun 23, 2019 21:01:44 GMT 1
I thought England were poor. Their passing was dreadful. They got away with it today. However winning breeds confidence and winning is all that matters.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 23, 2019 21:29:27 GMT 1
Even hosts struggling a bit tonight, neither Henry or LeSommer quite on their game. Brazil are old hands in these games though.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 23, 2019 22:46:01 GMT 1
Only watched odds and sods until this weekend. Although it was a difficult game to gauge how good England are, they don't seem to have as high a tempo as some of these other teams. It'd be great for them to do well, but they don't look on the same level as some of these other teams.
Tournament football though, it's just about the next game now.
France and Brazil was a decent game.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 23, 2019 23:36:54 GMT 1
I've a certain amount of sympathy for the Cameroons - to be fair it could easily be argued that the first goal/free kick was not a back pass and to spot the offside that ruled out Cameroon's "goal" you must have incredible eyesight, even with VAR. Add to that our winger was well "offside" for our second goal, though I totally accept it was not offside if you accept she was not interfering with play. BBC commentators going over the top as usual and PLEASE could the 2 commentators (Pearce and partner) SHUT UP occasionally - they never let more than a few seconds go without feeling they have to talk and it's usually inane drivel or silly in-jokes. Ive sympathy for them in that some close decisions went the other way, but it was a backpass for the first... the second was onside and their goal was offside. So they haven;t actually got anything to moan about. Their conduct was shabby at best and looked like they didn;t even know the rules of the game. VAR actually worked well in terms of getting the right decisions, but I still don;t think its worth having for the damage to the game it does. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 24, 2019 3:04:31 GMT 1
Collina has apparently said he thinks VAR has worked 'very well' so far according to the commentator. I suppose, technically, it has. It's got all the decisions correct. It's just that it's soulless and being used for things it doesn't need to be |
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Post by golcarexile on Jun 24, 2019 4:48:43 GMT 1
Collina has apparently said he thinks VAR has worked 'very well' so far according to the commentator. I suppose, technically, it has. It's got all the decisions correct. It's just that it's soulless and being used for things it doesn't need to be Totally agree in principle. The problem with marginal decisions is that with the multiple camera angles available these days, if the ref gets one wrong, it's there for all to see, even if it is an offside with only inches in it. If VAR is available, but not used in such a situation, the team on the end of the wrong decision is going to feel very aggrieved. How do you decide which decisions are deserving of review and which are not?Pre-VAR, these close calls happened all the time and were pretty much seen as part and parcel of the game. The whole VAR experiment needs binning in my opinion. Refs will make cock-ups, but we'll get over it. It's only a game at the end of the day. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jun 24, 2019 7:01:14 GMT 1
Didn’t see this game but if VAR is getting the decisions right then I’m all for it
My only issue is the new handball definitions. Can’t be right that players have to defend with their hands behind their back in the area
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 24, 2019 7:05:17 GMT 1
Collina has apparently said he thinks VAR has worked 'very well' so far according to the commentator. I suppose, technically, it has. It's got all the decisions correct. It's just that it's soulless and being used for things it doesn't need to be How come we didn’t get a penalty and they didn’t have a player sent off then? And for me their goal should have stood. Advantage to the striker Her heal played her offside |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 24, 2019 7:10:53 GMT 1
Didn’t see this game but if VAR is getting the decisions right then I’m all for it My only issue is the new handball definitions. Can’t be right that players have to defend with their hands behind their back in the area I said something similar yesterday. The laws are shite. Hand ball and the goalkeeper on the line. But for me VAR stops the flow of the game and I think when it comes here the big clubs will get even more decisions their way than they do currently |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jun 24, 2019 7:48:34 GMT 1
VAR is atrocious, but every one of us will be forced to accept it as the norm.
How VAR and it's implementation affects the Hepworth United or Wooldale Wanderers of this world has yet to be seen. Perhaps the amateur game will become a different game altogether.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 24, 2019 8:25:15 GMT 1
I suppose, technically, it has. It's got all the decisions correct. It's just that it's soulless and being used for things it doesn't need to be Totally agree in principle. The problem with marginal decisions is that with the multiple camera angles available these days, if the ref gets one wrong, it's there for all to see, even if it is an offside with only inches in it. If VAR is available, but not used in such a situation, the team on the end of the wrong decision is going to feel very aggrieved. How do you decide which decisions are deserving of review and which are not?Pre-VAR, these close calls happened all the time and were pretty much seen as part and parcel of the game. The whole VAR experiment needs binning in my opinion. Refs will make cock-ups, but we'll get over it. It's only a game at the end of the day. Hawkeye is used in cricket and marginal decisions are ‘umpires call’. There is also a limit to the number of reviews. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 24, 2019 9:04:14 GMT 1
Didn’t see this game but if VAR is getting the decisions right then I’m all for it My only issue is the new handball definitions. Can’t be right that players have to defend with their hands behind their back in the area iIf getting every marginal decision is the thing then its hard to argue against VAR. More often than not it will... particularly the offside by an inch. But the damage to the game to achieve that isn;t worth it IMO. The endless delays whilst its checked again and again. The linos not flagging for pretty obvious offsides in case theyre wrong and a goal might be scored. The silly handball decisions which always look vastly more intentional in slo-mo. The silly penalty retakes because the keeper is 6 inch off their line ( yet encroachment by 6 foot goes unpunished ) But far and away the worst is the fact that the moment of joy of scoring a goal... the whole point of the game for fans,,, is killed. Only the most obviously 'good' goals will not be reviewed as no ref will risk allowing a goal that shouldn;t have stood. Defenders will soon wise up and fall over at the slightest touch, knowing if they concede it might get it ruled out. That whole moment of surprise and ecstasy is gone. There was notjning wrong with what we had. Football was the best game in the world with it. Some wrong calls go your way, some don't. The officials making a mistake should be just part of the game. Anyone who thought VAR would end controversy must be disappointed so far. Seems to have increased it 10 fold and so far in its short history weve had a World Cup final and a Champions League final ruined by bad VAR officiating, either changing a good decision ( WCF ) or confirming a bad one (CLF) |
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Post by bluestripe on Jun 24, 2019 9:21:21 GMT 1
VAR is atrocious, but every one of us will be forced to accept it as the norm. How VAR and it's implementation affects the Hepworth United or Wooldale Wanderers of this world has yet to be seen. Perhaps the amateur game will become a different game altogether. Don't worry about us in the Holme Valley! We're cutting edge in amateur football. We've raided the Bamforth museum archives for an early 20th century cine camera and a lantern slide projector. Sid's now got it down to about 3 hours to check an offside decision now. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jun 24, 2019 10:30:28 GMT 1
Confession time here. I used to dismiss women's football as poor quality and not very watchable. I've changed my mind though and really enjoy watching these World Cup games. In much the same way that I prefer watching women's tennis to mens. It's less frantic and less power/strength based. There's also a lot less of the annoying gamesmanship and cynical fouling that plagues men's football.
I suppose in the end it's probably wrong to compare men's to women's and just be prepared to enjoy each version for what it is.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jun 24, 2019 10:51:31 GMT 1
Confession time here. I used to dismiss women's football as poor quality and not very watchable. I've changed my mind though and really enjoy watching these World Cup games. In much the same way that I prefer watching women's tennis to mens. It's less frantic and less power/strength based. There's also a lot less of the annoying gamesmanship and cynical fouling that plagues men's football. I suppose in the end it's probably wrong to compare men's to women's and just be prepared to enjoy each version for what it is. I agree with you 100%, but it seems that the BBC go one step further... "Jill Scott made her 18th World Cup appearance. She has overtaken Peter Shilton (17) as the player with the most World Cup appearances for England."
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 24, 2019 11:31:15 GMT 1
I suppose, technically, it has. It's got all the decisions correct. It's just that it's soulless and being used for things it doesn't need to be How come we didn’t get a penalty and they didn’t have a player sent off then? And for me their goal should have stood. Advantage to the striker Her heal played her offside Can you imagine if the ref had given us both of those through VAR, she wouldn't have survived to the end of the game |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 24, 2019 11:38:20 GMT 1
Confession time here. I used to dismiss women's football as poor quality and not very watchable. I've changed my mind though and really enjoy watching these World Cup games. In much the same way that I prefer watching women's tennis to mens. It's less frantic and less power/strength based. There's also a lot less of the annoying gamesmanship and cynical fouling that plagues men's football. I suppose in the end it's probably wrong to compare men's to women's and just be prepared to enjoy each version for what it is. I agree with you 100%, but it seems that the BBC go one step further... "Jill Scott made her 18th World Cup appearance. She has overtaken Peter Shilton (17) as the player with the most World Cup appearances for England."
BBC footy link They're only comparing appearances, what's wrong with that. Plus it'll annoy the miserable old fucker to lose the record, I'm sick of the press wheeling him out to complain each time someone starts to get close to his caps record (which a few women have surpassed anyway). Not sure I've ever forgiven him for his inability to jump that cost us in both 86 and 90 🤬 |
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Post by 28901 on Jun 24, 2019 11:55:54 GMT 1
Didn’t see this game but if VAR is getting the decisions right then I’m all for it My only issue is the new handball definitions. Can’t be right that players have to defend with their hands behind their back in the area iIf getting every marginal decision is the thing then its hard to argue against VAR. More often than not it will... particularly the offside by an inch. But the damage to the game to achieve that isn;t worth it IMO. The endless delays whilst its checked again and again. The linos not flagging for pretty obvious offsides in case theyre wrong and a goal might be scored. The silly handball decisions which always look vastly more intentional in slo-mo. The silly penalty retakes because the keeper is 6 inch off their line ( yet encroachment by 6 foot goes unpunished ) But far and away the worst is the fact that the moment of joy of scoring a goal... the whole point of the game for fans,,, is killed. Only the most obviously 'good' goals will not be reviewed as no ref will risk allowing a goal that shouldn;t have stood. Defenders will soon wise up and fall over at the slightest touch, knowing if they concede it might get it ruled out. That whole moment of surprise and ecstasy is gone. There was notjning wrong with what we had. Football was the best game in the world with it.
Some wrong calls go your way, some don't.
The officials making a mistake should be just part of the game.
Anyone who thought VAR would end controversy must be disappointed so far. Seems to have increased it 10 fold and so far in its short history weve had a World Cup final and a Champions League final ruined by bad VAR officiating, either changing a good decision ( WCF ) or confirming a bad one (CLF) Nailed it. How can anyone who genuinely enjoys live sport disagree with any of this?
Cricket has vastly reduced the use of it and it works ok, but the game is more suited to it.
One review per match, requested by the team, would be my compromise, but I would prefer it to be binned completely and forever.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 24, 2019 12:12:34 GMT 1
I disagree with the idea on a team having a number of reviews. It's difficult for the players to judge how good the claim might be.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 24, 2019 12:34:38 GMT 1
Confession time here. I used to dismiss women's football as poor quality and not very watchable. I've changed my mind though and really enjoy watching these World Cup games. In much the same way that I prefer watching women's tennis to mens. It's less frantic and less power/strength based. There's also a lot less of the annoying gamesmanship and cynical fouling that plagues men's football. I suppose in the end it's probably wrong to compare men's to women's and just be prepared to enjoy each version for what it is. Exactly right. Same as you can enjoy watching a pub game on a sunday morning without trying to compare it with prem football. Ive watched bits and pieces of a few games in this WC and although Ive enjoyed it, Ive actually been surprised at how low the standard is. I thought theyd be technically much better than they are. The PC obsessed BBC aren't doing the game any favours with their campaign to regard womens football as on a par with the mens game. Just makes it and themselves look ridiculous |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 24, 2019 12:38:32 GMT 1
What do you think the bbc are doing in this respect slapps?
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