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Post by bluestripe on Jun 24, 2019 12:48:10 GMT 1
Confession time here. I used to dismiss women's football as poor quality and not very watchable. I've changed my mind though and really enjoy watching these World Cup games. In much the same way that I prefer watching women's tennis to mens. It's less frantic and less power/strength based. There's also a lot less of the annoying gamesmanship and cynical fouling that plagues men's football. I suppose in the end it's probably wrong to compare men's to women's and just be prepared to enjoy each version for what it is. Exactly right. Same as you can enjoy watching a pub game on a sunday morning without trying to compare it with prem football. Ive watched bits and pieces of a few games in this WC and although Ive enjoyed it, Ive actually been surprised at how low the standard is. I thought theyd be technically much better than they are. The PC obsessed BBC aren't doing the game any favours with their campaign to regard womens football as on a par with the mens game. Just makes it and themselves look ridiculous I agree the BBC is PC obsessed on the whole, but I've seen no evidence of that in terms of the coverage. Men's football is not even referred to. Anyway, say they buy the rights to the Mexican Tiddlywinks Championship. They're going to big it up and certainly not going to have a downer on it. Not that I am comparing the famous MTC to Women's football. 😁 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 24, 2019 12:54:35 GMT 1
What do you think the bbc are doing in this respect slapps? As said by mansfield, just ongoing silliness like this- 'Jill Scott made her 18th World Cup appearance. She has overtaken Peter Shilton (17) as the player with the most World Cup appearances for England.' The womens game's a separate thing. Don;t try to compare it with mens football. Its all an attempt to big it up to be something it isn't. The standard, the interest, everything about it. Then when people see what it actually is, theyre left disillusioned with it. Surprised at the poor quality. Ive fallen into that trap myself. Doesn;t do the womens game any favours IMO. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 24, 2019 12:55:48 GMT 1
Exactly right. Same as you can enjoy watching a pub game on a sunday morning without trying to compare it with prem football. Ive watched bits and pieces of a few games in this WC and although Ive enjoyed it, Ive actually been surprised at how low the standard is. I thought theyd be technically much better than they are. The PC obsessed BBC aren't doing the game any favours with their campaign to regard womens football as on a par with the mens game. Just makes it and themselves look ridiculous I agree the BBC is PC obsessed on the whole, but I've seen no evidence of that in terms of the coverage. Men's football is not even referred to. Anyway, say they buy the rights to the Mexican Tiddlywinks Championship. They're going to big it up and certainly not going to have a downer on it. Not that I am comparing the famous MTC to Women's football. 😁 That is a point. they have so little sport, they are bound to go OTT on it. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 24, 2019 13:58:46 GMT 1
What do you think the bbc are doing in this respect slapps? As said by mansfield, just ongoing silliness like this- 'Jill Scott made her 18th World Cup appearance. She has overtaken Peter Shilton (17) as the player with the most World Cup appearances for England.' The womens game's a separate thing. Don;t try to compare it with mens football. Its all an attempt to big it up to be something it isn't. The standard, the interest, everything about it. Then when people see what it actually is, theyre left disillusioned with it. Surprised at the poor quality. Ive fallen into that trap myself. Doesn;t do the womens game any favours IMO. I suppose what they are trying to do is sell the shows and get as many viewers as possible . I agree comparing scott to shilts is unhelpful .. I don't really think what the beeb says would really influence expectations of women's football bar those with learning disability ? Surely everyone has seen a woman's match before ? I've steered well clear cos it does nothing for me and can't believe the same people are posting their disgruntlement game after game after game.. I'm not sure what they expect ... the standard is better than it was 10 years ago and not as good as it will be in another 10 years.. it's great that it's getting exposure and that women now have women they can aspire to.. but anyone comparing it to mens football needs sectioning |
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Jun 24, 2019 13:59:00 GMT 1
Exactly right. Same as you can enjoy watching a pub game on a sunday morning without trying to compare it with prem football. Ive watched bits and pieces of a few games in this WC and although Ive enjoyed it, Ive actually been surprised at how low the standard is. I thought theyd be technically much better than they are. The PC obsessed BBC aren't doing the game any favours with their campaign to regard womens football as on a par with the mens game. Just makes it and themselves look ridiculous I agree the BBC is PC obsessed on the whole, but I've seen no evidence of that in terms of the coverage. Men's football is not even referred to. Anyway, say they buy the rights to the Mexican Tiddlywinks Championship. They're going to big it up and certainly not going to have a downer on it. Not that I am comparing the famous MTC to Women's football. 😁 This MTC sounds fantastic! Just hope they go full blown diversity & equality with a strong nod to LBGTQ whilst promoting their BAME credentials and ensuring they appear as WOKE as possible! |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 24, 2019 18:11:53 GMT 1
Decent game between USA and Spain so far, getting a bit feisty. Spain giving USA something to think about.
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Post by k1htafc on Jun 24, 2019 18:37:11 GMT 1
Another penalty decision that's taken ages to sort out. Penalty awarded at the start of the 71st minute, taken in the 76th - and to say it was actually a penalty is questionable.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 24, 2019 18:46:00 GMT 1
Yep looked soft and the reviews are taking too long. Will be interesting to see if the process is speeded up in EPL next season
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 24, 2019 18:56:39 GMT 1
Not a completely convincing performance from one of the favourites, gives any potential future oppos some encouragement.
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Post by k1htafc on Jun 24, 2019 19:05:06 GMT 1
Not a completely convincing performance from one of the favourites, gives any potential future oppos some encouragement. If they play like they did today against France in the Quarter Finals, they'll get wrecked. No shots on target in open play, relying on two arguably soft penalties to get through against a team who haven't won a knockout game in their history, and were playing in their first knockout game in a World Cup (though admittedly, they looked better than those stats suggest). |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 24, 2019 19:53:28 GMT 1
Not a completely convincing performance from one of the favourites, gives any potential future oppos some encouragement. If they play like they did today against France in the Quarter Finals, they'll get wrecked. No shots on target in open play, relying on two arguably soft penalties to get through against a team who haven't won a knockout game in their history, and were playing in their first knockout game in a World Cup (though admittedly, they looked better than those stats suggest). listen to the lady commentators they are already falling into the 'money-big name trap'. They were quite annoyed at times that the USA were not winning easily but were relieved then a wee bit triumphant that another penalty saved the day for the big names. One said the Spanish team were just 'missing something'  ? yes the fucking decisions.. welcome to the 'big time' ladies this is how it works and its in your interests to talk it up that way. Still cant believe that a ref, 2 assistants a 4th official and 3 VAR officials cant 'see' a player knock it too far, see a leg and go over it, have none of the fuckers ever played the game at all?? Ashley Barnes in a wig and make up would have 'won' a hundred penalties by now... Might be very interesting on friday when France play the USA, its a tough call which way the officials will be told to 'go'.... |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 24, 2019 20:00:33 GMT 1
It's a tough one. Keep the home support and interest high, or stick with where the TV money and advertising revenue comes from.
Its one of the problems with VAR. Who knows whos in that box and whats being said to influence decisions.
Just seen the incident. Wasn't a pen. Like you say, shed lost the ball , took a couple of strides to think about it, then threw herself on the floor.
But VAR got it right cos the USA went through. Kerching!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 24, 2019 20:18:52 GMT 1
It's a tough one. Keep the home support and interest high, or stick with where the TV money and advertising revenue comes from. Its one of the problems with VAR. Who knows whos in that box and whats being said to influence decisions. Just seen the incident. Wasn't a pen. Like you say, shed lost the ball , took a couple of strides to think about it, then threw herself on the floor. But VAR got it right cos the USA went through. Kerching! said before.. refs/var etc look at incidents in two ways and it will always depend on the teams involved, unless the game itself has no bearing on the bigger clubs season/progress etc. can I give this? can I refuse this? and that makes all the difference even with VAR on penalties/red cards etc.. the offside has lines already on the replays so its the only really good thing I have to say about VAR. If its still going to be an opinion please refer to the above, it still stands. If you are 'looking to give it' then any discrepancy can be ignored, if you are looking to refuse it then anything can be seen as a reason not to.. French or USA keeper saves a pen, dont seriously believe the VAR will see her foot an inch or less of the line.. 'too close to call'?? |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 24, 2019 21:20:05 GMT 1
Canada (ranked 5th) being put under serious pressure from Sweden. Canada get a VAR pen but saved by Swedish keeper.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 24, 2019 21:58:02 GMT 1
Sweden through and deservedly so.
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Post by k1htafc on Jun 24, 2019 22:50:26 GMT 1
If they play like they did today against France in the Quarter Finals, they'll get wrecked. No shots on target in open play, relying on two arguably soft penalties to get through against a team who haven't won a knockout game in their history, and were playing in their first knockout game in a World Cup (though admittedly, they looked better than those stats suggest). listen to the lady commentators they are already falling into the 'money-big name trap'. They were quite annoyed at times that the USA were not winning easily but were relieved then a wee bit triumphant that another penalty saved the day for the big names. One said the Spanish team were just 'missing something' ? yes the fucking decisions.. welcome to the 'big time' ladies this is how it works and its in your interests to talk it up that way. Still cant believe that a ref, 2 assistants a 4th official and 3 VAR officials cant 'see' a player knock it too far, see a leg and go over it, have none of the fuckers ever played the game at all?? Ashley Barnes in a wig and make up would have 'won' a hundred penalties by now... Might be very interesting on friday when France play the USA, its a tough call which way the officials will be told to 'go'.... Wasn't even that, Torrecilla's studs lightly scraped Lavelle's leg - and it's the usual bullshit of 'she felt to contact so was obliged to go down'. She could have easily stayed on her feet. Same, to be honest, for Heath for the first penalty. Yes, she was caught, but as we've seen in the men's game, if you stay on your feet you tend not to get a penalty (VAR may have given it considering it was the USA playing though). Remember that old comment that there's less play-acting and 'going down easily' in the women's game? For the USA today, that was clearly bollocks. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 24, 2019 23:27:14 GMT 1
Ovaries surely?  |
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Post by k1htafc on Jun 24, 2019 23:30:25 GMT 1
Ovaries surely? That was terrible and you know it  |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 24, 2019 23:46:09 GMT 1
Ovaries surely? not getting involved in the myriad of puns involving mens/ladies parts loosely connected to football..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 23:52:24 GMT 1
Haven’t watched much of this tournament but I did see that women seem to be allowed in the penalty area for a goal kick.
Why is that can’t the keeper kick it far enough?
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Post by bluestripe on Jun 25, 2019 0:15:20 GMT 1
Haven’t watched much of this tournament but I did see that women seem to be allowed in the penalty area for a goal kick. Why is that can’t the keeper kick it far enough? Assuming it was a genuine question, the WWorld Cup seems to have adopted next season's rule changes already. www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 1:56:00 GMT 1
Haven’t watched much of this tournament but I did see that women seem to be allowed in the penalty area for a goal kick. Why is that can’t the keeper kick it far enough? Assuming it was a genuine question, the WWorld Cup seems to have adopted next season's rule changes already. www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020It was a genuine question really. I was not aware they were changing the rules for a goal kick. The way some teams play out that could have an interesting impact. |
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Post by tvor on Jun 25, 2019 7:52:50 GMT 1
Have watched bits of the the Tournament and enjoyed it. Sure the standard isn’t as good as the men’s but a well taken goal is a well taken goal. Also setting new records on viewing figures. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48743780 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 10:19:08 GMT 1
Haven’t watched much of this tournament but I did see that women seem to be allowed in the penalty area for a goal kick. Why is that can’t the keeper kick it far enough? Assuming it was a genuine question, the WWorld Cup seems to have adopted next season's rule changes already. www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020Tournaments starting after 1st of June use the new rules. |
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Post by tobbyg on Jun 25, 2019 11:14:39 GMT 1
The Scotland keeper getting penalised for coming off her line was a shocker for me.
With all these stop start run ups to take penalties I’d let them run off their line as soon as the penalty taker starts dicking about, if they get there before the balls been kicked you can clatter the taker if you like.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 25, 2019 11:17:11 GMT 1
Tournaments starting after 1st of June use the new rules. it may help stop the arseing about at goal kicks where defenders split wide and are marked immediately which leads to keepers going up to the ball and back a few time before eventually waving the defenders forward? anything that helps speeding the game up without lumping it forward is a help. We might see more quick breaks from goal kicks than have ever been seen before, we might see a lot more goals from keepers/defenders bolloxing it up even closer to their own goal, its all good.. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jun 25, 2019 11:42:08 GMT 1
The BBC missed a trick by not adding the Benny Hill music to the England v Cameroon game. It was their first comedy hit in 20 years.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 25, 2019 12:43:11 GMT 1
Have watched bits of the the Tournament and enjoyed it. Sure the standard isn’t as good as the men’s but a well taken goal is a well taken goal. Also setting new records on viewing figures. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48743780 I caught a bit if the Spain USA game yesterday and after having watched England these two seemed far superior technically on the ball than we do. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 25, 2019 21:23:55 GMT 1
Netherlands-Japan game is decent, some good skill on show and finely balanced.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 25, 2019 21:52:32 GMT 1
Japan unlucky with the pen decision, blasts the ball at point blank range and hits an arm and it's effectively cost them the game when theyve been the better side for much of the second half.
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? yes the fucking decisions.. welcome to the 'big time' ladies this is how it works and its in your interests to talk it up that way.
