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Post by Town Duppy on Jun 11, 2019 16:34:36 GMT 1
Not sure what you mean by “move on”...I don’t really care one way or another if he’s with us or not next season...if he goes he goes and hopefully it will mean extra funds available to bolster some of the more obvious weak areas in the squad, if he stays and plays we’ll likely have a better selection of midfield players than if he left...so...positives to look out for in both directions. On the final point...what has he done wrong specifically, I’ve not seen or heard of anything he’s done other than not be picked and then spoken about his time here, all of which sounded fair enough to me if a little naive to be openly discussing ?? And he hasn’t left, so I’m not sure why you think I’m saying the club are responsible for him leaving. All I’ve heard directly attributable to Sean Jarvis says it’s internal matter (maybe dealt with by a bit of a refresher on his social awareness training)...that’s all. I have it from a reliable source that he has arrived late for training hungover, giving it billy big balls... Philly Billy big balls.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 11, 2019 16:43:22 GMT 1
WHAT!! How dare he say his future lies away from our club. Stone the little shit. What has Mooy said when asked, JJL? Im only jesting mate, I’m having a ‘be a sarcy git’ day. I have no idea what Mooy has said. Stone him.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 11, 2019 16:45:45 GMT 1
My question is if one or more of these players are still here, how do we put their shenanigans behind us. The club, their colleagues, the management and the fans would all need to draw a line under things and move on to have any hope of moving forwards - is this realistic? It’s not bloody Coronation Street with a soap opera storyline. If they stay then they stay, it doesn’t really matter. Anyone who holds a grudge against a player wanting to move needs to grow up. Think you've hit the nail on the head there, who actually cares? Footballers are mercenaries anyway, they show very little loyalty when money is mentioned. As someone rightly pointed out have these players don't appear to have disrupted the dressing room, as one of them won an accolade voted by their team mates. They were probably pissed off with the club's mismanagement and bafflingly crap tactics from both Wagner and Seiwert.
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Post by townatheart on Jun 11, 2019 16:49:52 GMT 1
It’s not bloody Coronation Street with a soap opera storyline. If they stay then they stay, it doesn’t really matter. Anyone who holds a grudge against a player wanting to move needs to grow up. Think you've hit the nail on the head there, who actually cares? Footballers are mercenaries anyway, they show very little loyalty when money is mentioned. As someone rightly pointed out have these players don't appear to have disrupted the dressing room, as one of them won an accolade voted by their team mates. They were probably pissed off with the club's mismanagement and bafflingly crap tactics from both Wagner and Seiwert. A genuine question, as I do not know, but for the record when did the voting for the accolade take place and when did the alledeged disruption begin/take place?
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 11, 2019 16:55:16 GMT 1
I must have missed something. What has Flo said/done?Gave an interview where he basically said his future lie away from the cub, probably in the Bundesliga or Serie A. Yes, he thinks he's good enough for Serie A. I've seen rumours that Lazio were interested but other than that I can't see owt. Do you have a link?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jun 11, 2019 17:07:48 GMT 1
Gave an interview where he basically said his future lie away from the cub, probably in the Bundesliga or Serie A. Yes, he thinks he's good enough for Serie A. I've seen rumours that Lazio were interested but other than that I can't see owt. Do you have a link? No. Was on Twitter about 2 weeks ago and was an interview on some European site I think.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 11, 2019 17:14:29 GMT 1
I've seen rumours that Lazio were interested but other than that I can't see owt. Do you have a link? No. Was on Twitter about 2 weeks ago and was an interview on some European site I think. On Flo's twitter account? As far as I can see he's done nowt wrong. Sees his future away from HTFC as he wants to play at the highest level. Zanka, a bit bored about not being in the starting XI - would probably be happier elsewhere. I can't get too upset about that one either.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 11, 2019 17:35:48 GMT 1
Think you've hit the nail on the head there, who actually cares? Footballers are mercenaries anyway, they show very little loyalty when money is mentioned. As someone rightly pointed out have these players don't appear to have disrupted the dressing room, as one of them won an accolade voted by their team mates. They were probably pissed off with the club's mismanagement and bafflingly crap tactics from both Wagner and Seiwert. A genuine question, as I do not know, but for the record when did the voting for the accolade take place and when did the alledeged disruption begin/take place? Who knows, maybe the players cast their votes before the alleged 'disruption' took place. I know we all think the sun shines out of the club's arse but I'm not sure the players will feel that way.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 11, 2019 17:36:57 GMT 1
I think it unlikely in the extreme that there will be no offers for these three if they are advertised as being available. The dilemma would be if the club is prepared to let them go under its current valuation to preserve the dressing room morale. That's the way I see it, as well. Really hope Town don't get too severely lowballed here.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jun 11, 2019 17:37:10 GMT 1
On every bit of evidence that I have seen Flo will never be a consistent top level performer. Zanka is decent, a bit slow over longish distances and has a mistake or two in him. Billing...I just don't know. I've really don't know if he will properly kick on. On that basis, I hope all three go. I'd be ok with Billing and Zanka stopping but Flo has burnt all his bridges with me.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Jun 11, 2019 17:47:12 GMT 1
What has Mooy said when asked, JJL? Im only jesting mate, I’m having a ‘be a sarcy git’ day. I have no idea what Mooy has said. Stone him. Based on how sleepy he sounds in his interviews, too late.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 18:26:13 GMT 1
Im only jesting mate, I’m having a ‘be a sarcy git’ day. I have no idea what Mooy has said. Stone him. Based on how sleepy he sounds in his interviews, too late. He’s quite open about it...
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Post by space hardware on Jun 11, 2019 20:45:27 GMT 1
Not sure what you mean by “move on”...I don’t really care one way or another if he’s with us or not next season...if he goes he goes and hopefully it will mean extra funds available to bolster some of the more obvious weak areas in the squad, if he stays and plays we’ll likely have a better selection of midfield players than if he left...so...positives to look out for in both directions. On the final point...what has he done wrong specifically, I’ve not seen or heard of anything he’s done other than not be picked and then spoken about his time here, all of which sounded fair enough to me if a little naive to be openly discussing ?? And he hasn’t left, so I’m not sure why you think I’m saying the club are responsible for him leaving. All I’ve heard directly attributable to Sean Jarvis says it’s internal matter (maybe dealt with by a bit of a refresher on his social awareness training)...that’s all. I have it from a reliable source that he has arrived late for training hungover, giving it billy big balls...
Of course, the irony is that when we needed him to show big brave balls on the pitch when Mooy was injured, he disappeared from view and showed everyone he actually had little mincey faggot balls 😁.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jun 11, 2019 21:01:41 GMT 1
I think it unlikely in the extreme that there will be no offers for these three if they are advertised as being available. The dilemma would be if the club is prepared to let them go under its current valuation to preserve the dressing room morale. That's the way I see it, as well. Really hope Town don't get too severely lowballed here. No fire sale according to Winter
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 11, 2019 22:54:31 GMT 1
WHAT!! How dare he say his future lies away from our club. Stone the little shit. What has Mooy said when asked, JJL? Didn't he say he had a contract and wouldn't ask for a transfer ? Which doesn't mean he hasn't got his agent looking for him.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 12, 2019 7:58:30 GMT 1
Billing is/would be the best midfielder after Mooy in the championship. A decent manager and strong leadership we should be shoe ins for promotion such is the calibre of the current squad for the championship, but I'm not sure that's what the club is striving for. Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Grant, Hogg. 6 players who cut it in the Prem now playing in a championship which is miles and miles below the premier in terms of player calibre.. Incredible opportunity for the new chairman to get straight back at the first attempt. Wasnt he valued at £6 mill by the mighty Examiner only yesterday....every midfielder costs that in the Champs? If Billing is the 2nd best in the Champs i will eat my hat....smothered in poodle poo.
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Post by digs on Jun 12, 2019 8:11:04 GMT 1
Billing is/would be the best midfielder after Mooy in the championship. A decent manager and strong leadership we should be shoe ins for promotion such is the calibre of the current squad for the championship, but I'm not sure that's what the club is striving for. Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Grant, Hogg. 6 players who cut it in the Prem now playing in a championship which is miles and miles below the premier in terms of player calibre.. Incredible opportunity for the new chairman to get straight back at the first attempt. i always log in to read your first line when i want a laugh
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 10:16:30 GMT 1
Billing is/would be the best midfielder after Mooy in the championship. A decent manager and strong leadership we should be shoe ins for promotion such is the calibre of the current squad for the championship, but I'm not sure that's what the club is striving for. Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Grant, Hogg. 6 players who cut it in the Prem now playing in a championship which is miles and miles below the premier in terms of player calibre.. Incredible opportunity for the new chairman to get straight back at the first attempt. Wasnt he valued at £6 mill by the mighty Examiner only yesterday....every midfielder costs that in the Champs? If Billing is the 2nd best in the Champs i will eat my hat....smothered in poodle poo. Ignore the British players whose value is artificially inflated (hence why we paid so much for Pritchard and Ince who wouldn’t be £5m if they were French)...and he’s right up there. There’s maybe only Carvalho and Fer who are accepted as being valued more than Billing in the Championship. (Although, it’s only half a story as Billing qualifies as homegrown obviously, so his value possibly does get inflated in that respect...but so do plenty of other overseas players, so just going with the “ignore inflated British” as a generalisation).
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jun 13, 2019 9:07:43 GMT 1
What has Mooy said when asked, JJL? Didn't he say he had a contract and wouldn't ask for a transfer ? Which doesn't mean he hasn't got his agent looking for him. Yep - a professional honest answer which does nothing to piss off the fans but also doesn't blow smoke up our arse, although if he wanted to and it helped him stay, I'd let him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 22:19:49 GMT 1
Hogg, Mooy, Billing bossed several premier league games. Newcastle for example.
If those 3, Schindy, Kongo, Bacuna, Grant and a professional keeper are with us in September then we’d be strong promotion contenders.
People forget the gap that’s grown in the leagues since the last premier league tv rights deal.
If I was Siewart I’d have set about securing all my best players from day one. Short of that I’d have got them in close season and painted a picture of how they would be the men to take the club back up...securing big money moves that Billing wants in the process.
Football is a business now. In business it’s vital that you first secure what assets you have, then you build from there.
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Post by Town Duppy on Jun 14, 2019 6:26:25 GMT 1
Billing is/would be the best midfielder after Mooy in the championship. A decent manager and strong leadership we should be shoe ins for promotion such is the calibre of the current squad for the championship, but I'm not sure that's what the club is striving for. Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Grant, Hogg. 6 players who cut it in the Prem now playing in a championship which is miles and miles below the premier in terms of player calibre.. Incredible opportunity for the new chairman to get straight back at the first attempt. Wasnt he valued at £6 mill by the mighty Examiner only yesterday....every midfielder costs that in the Champs? If Billing is the 2nd best in the Champs i will eat my hat....smothered in poodle poo. Only the best most posh poo for you otium.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 14, 2019 10:33:49 GMT 1
Hogg, Mooy, Billing bossed several premier league games. Newcastle for example. Which Newcastle game?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 11:58:26 GMT 1
Hogg, Mooy, Billing bossed several premier league games. Newcastle for example. Which Newcastle game? Home. Diame who dominated us when in the championship spent the time chasing Billing’s shadow in the last home game. Yes we spunked 5 chances then lost to their only attack, but our midfield was dominant that match, and several others- wolves away, Fulham home and some others in the period when we had evolved as a side and were controlling games, but had no goal scorers.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 14, 2019 12:56:35 GMT 1
Home. Diame who dominated us when in the championship spent the time chasing Billing’s shadow in the last home game. Yes we spunked 5 chances then lost to their only attack, but our midfield was dominant that match, and several others- wolves away, Fulham home and some others in the period when we had evolved as a side and were controlling games, but had no goal scorers. Don't think Mooy played that game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 10:26:12 GMT 1
Home. Diame who dominated us when in the championship spent the time chasing Billing’s shadow in the last home game. Yes we spunked 5 chances then lost to their only attack, but our midfield was dominant that match, and several others- wolves away, Fulham home and some others in the period when we had evolved as a side and were controlling games, but had no goal scorers. Don't think Mooy played that game. The point is there aren’t loads of midfielders in the championship that haven’t looked out of place at old Trafford, who competed week in week out in the Prem- and that’s the case for each of our 4 CMs. Footballers are mostly stupid and childish. That fact should never surprise or shock a manager or fans. It’s a manager’s job to push past that and extract the talent from his best players in the interests of the club. Who give a f**k what he said in an interview. Old news. Can he help the team next season? Yes. They voted him POTS ffs. As clear a message as any from the others. Perhaps phil hodgkinson can bring some hard nosed pragmatism and ruthlessness to negotiations. He’s not the sort to let valuable assets be jettisoned for nothing if his previous career is anything to go buy. I read that Siewart is definitely playing 433. Hogg, Mooy, Billing, bacuna is all the midfielders he’d need to win the division. Name me a better midfield combo than those 4 in the championship. These players are worth far more playing for us rather than being sold for cut price fees as happens with ‘wantaway’ players. Villa will be strong. Fulham ? Possible they’ll be competitive. Leeds perhaps but they over performed already. Derby will shortly lose Lampard and be back to square one. If our town can somehow shake off the negativity and low expectation we should realise we’re a good bet for promotion IF this manager is capable and IF we see some leadership from the club. We could actually afford (for the first time ever) to compete on wages for the best fullbacks or wide men in the division to supplement the squad and proper keepers are ten a penny.
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Post by townatheart on Jun 15, 2019 10:38:56 GMT 1
Don't think Mooy played that game. The point is there aren’t loads of midfielders in the championship that haven’t looked out of place at old Trafford, who competed week in week out in the Prem- and that’s the case for each of our 4 CMs. Footballers are mostly stupid and childish. That fact should never surprise or shock a manager or fans. It’s a manager’s job to push past that and extract the talent from his best players in the interests of the club. Who give a f**k what he said in an interview. Old news. Can he help the team next season? Yes. They voted him POTS ffs. As clear a message as any from the others. Perhaps phil hodgkinson can bring some hard nosed pragmatism and ruthlessness to negotiations. He’s not the sort to let valuable assets be jettisoned for nothing if his previous career is anything to go buy. I read that Siewart is definitely playing 433. Hogg, Mooy, Billing, bacuna is all the midfielders he’d need to win the division. Name me a better midfield combo than those 4 in the championship. These players are worth far more playing for us rather than being sold for cut price fees as happens with ‘wantaway’ players. Villa will be strong. Fulham ? Possible they’ll be competitive. Leeds perhaps but they over performed already. Derby will shortly lose Lampard and be back to square one. If our town can somehow shake off the negativity and low expectation we should realise we’re a good bet for promotion IF this manager is capable and IF we see some leadership from the club. We could actually afford (for the first time ever) to compete on wages for the best fullbacks or wide men in the division to supplement the squad and proper keepers are ten a penny. Sorry to be pedantic, but you might want to edit, as I do believe that Villa went and got promoted
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 11:01:47 GMT 1
The point is there aren’t loads of midfielders in the championship that haven’t looked out of place at old Trafford, who competed week in week out in the Prem- and that’s the case for each of our 4 CMs. Footballers are mostly stupid and childish. That fact should never surprise or shock a manager or fans. It’s a manager’s job to push past that and extract the talent from his best players in the interests of the club. Who give a f**k what he said in an interview. Old news. Can he help the team next season? Yes. They voted him POTS ffs. As clear a message as any from the others. Perhaps phil hodgkinson can bring some hard nosed pragmatism and ruthlessness to negotiations. He’s not the sort to let valuable assets be jettisoned for nothing if his previous career is anything to go buy. I read that Siewart is definitely playing 433. Hogg, Mooy, Billing, bacuna is all the midfielders he’d need to win the division. Name me a better midfield combo than those 4 in the championship. These players are worth far more playing for us rather than being sold for cut price fees as happens with ‘wantaway’ players. Villa will be strong. Fulham ? Possible they’ll be competitive. Leeds perhaps but they over performed already. Derby will shortly lose Lampard and be back to square one. If our town can somehow shake off the negativity and low expectation we should realise we’re a good bet for promotion IF this manager is capable and IF we see some leadership from the club. We could actually afford (for the first time ever) to compete on wages for the best fullbacks or wide men in the division to supplement the squad and proper keepers are ten a penny. Sorry to be pedantic, but you might want to edit, as I do believe that Villa went and got promoted Quite right of-course, those non event games it’s always hard to remember who won. Even less competition for Town then. 👍 Villa won’t be strong in the premier btw. They will be bottom 3 all season unless they’ve got £200M to spend, which they haven’t.
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Post by midlander on Jun 15, 2019 11:30:54 GMT 1
Stoke's midfield of Allen, Etobo, Clucas, Woods ain't too shabby on paper either. The players that are here right now are capable of having us challenging. It's the spirit, battle and confidence that are out biggest things to turn round.
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Post by fishfingersandwich on Jun 18, 2019 7:08:02 GMT 1
Wasnt he valued at £6 mill by the mighty Examiner only yesterday....every midfielder costs that in the Champs? If Billing is the 2nd best in the Champs i will eat my hat....smothered in poodle poo. Only the best most posh poo for you otium. Perv
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Post by fishfingersandwich on Jun 18, 2019 7:08:39 GMT 1
I have it from a reliable source that he has arrived late for training hungover, giving it billy big balls... Philly Billy big balls. Perv
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