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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jun 11, 2019 13:21:03 GMT 1
As I can see it we have three first team players who have, in some way, burned their bridges before they have left the club - Phil Billing, Zanka and Flo. (have I missed anyone?)
It is possible that one or more of these might actually be our player come the start of the season. If no clubs meet our valuation, or even come in for them, we will be stuck with them.
Now, at their best, playing well and giving 100%, each of these could be a real asset in the Championship.
My question is if one or more of these players are still here, how do we put their shenanigans behind us. The club, their colleagues, the management and the fans would all need to draw a line under things and move on to have any hope of moving forwards - is this realistic?
Note: this is not a thread intended to discuss how likely it is that any of these players will still be here, only the possibility that one or more might be and what that would mean.
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Post by Baba O'Riley on Jun 11, 2019 13:25:04 GMT 1
More chance of forgiving a cheating wife!
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 11, 2019 13:27:23 GMT 1
I suppose that in a worst case scenario they might still be here, however I do think it might be suicidal if we played them. Can the club possibly put any unrest behind them if the player causing the unrest is still here? Will players who want to play for the club want to play with the wantaways? Would it create additional unrest? Maybe sending them out on a season long loan might be an idea if we cannot shift them? If we can move them on then we should imo.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 11, 2019 13:30:44 GMT 1
I think it unlikely in the extreme that there will be no offers for these three if they are advertised as being available. The dilemma would be if the club is prepared to let them go under its current valuation to preserve the dressing room morale.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:30:46 GMT 1
Billing is/would be the best midfielder after Mooy in the championship. A decent manager and strong leadership we should be shoe ins for promotion such is the calibre of the current squad for the championship, but I'm not sure that's what the club is striving for.
Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Grant, Hogg. 6 players who cut it in the Prem now playing in a championship which is miles and miles below the premier in terms of player calibre.. Incredible opportunity for the new chairman to get straight back at the first attempt.
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Post by benhomly on Jun 11, 2019 13:32:42 GMT 1
I suppose that in a worst case scenario they might still be here, however I do think it might be suicidal if we played them. Can the club possibly put any unrest behind them if the player causing the unrest is still here? Will players who want to play for the club want to play with the wantaways? Would it create additional unrest? Maybe sending them out on a season long loan might be an idea if we cannot shift them? If we can move them on then we should imo. Doesn't seem to have caused unrest in the dressing room as they voted one of them as their player of the season.It's the job of the management to sort stuff like that out as it is in any organisation; question is do we have the management to do that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:33:22 GMT 1
I think it unlikely in the extreme that there will be no offers for these three if they are advertised as being available. The dilemma would be if the club is prepared to let them go under its current valuation to preserve the dressing room morale. What dressing room morale is that? A dressing room that couldn't win a game against teams that weren't even trying. Football is not about loyalty its about money and the capability of your players. Players are more powerful than managers and must be retained at all costs or sold for their market value. There is never a rationale for selling any asset below market value. |
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Post by benhomly on Jun 11, 2019 13:35:28 GMT 1
Billing is/would be the best midfielder in the championship. A decent manager and strong leadership we should be shoe ins for promotion such is the calibre of the current squad for the championship, but I'm not sure that's what the club is striving for. Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Grant, Hogg. 6 players who cut it in the Prem now playing in a championship which is miles and miles below the premier in terms of player calibre.. Incredible opportunity for the new chairman to get straight back at the first attempt. Not sure where ideas like this come from. He's proved time and time again that when the going gets tough he's found wanting. A few decent games last season doesn't make him a star, his head goes down faster than Chesty Morgan's. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 11, 2019 13:35:34 GMT 1
Billing coudnt burn a bridge..theres far too much work involved...hed give up half way thru..
Zanka..hed do it..then turn around laughing with his hands up saying..
" who..me?... no it wasnt me"
Flo would run up with the petrol..fall over and die in a fireball of his own incompetence.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 11, 2019 13:36:44 GMT 1
My question is if one or more of these players are still here, how do we put their shenanigans behind us. The club, their colleagues, the management and the fans would all need to draw a line under things and move on to have any hope of moving forwards - is this realistic? It’s not bloody Coronation Street with a soap opera storyline. If they stay then they stay, it doesn’t really matter. Anyone who holds a grudge against a player wanting to move needs to grow up. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jun 11, 2019 13:38:27 GMT 1
I think the one most likely to be able to stay is Billing - he is young, has years at the club etc. The club has more invested in him than the others and vice versa. If we don't get the valuation we have put on him (whatever that is - £10m?) then he only has himself to blame. A clear the air session with the squad and the manager, a season of walking the walk and keeping his nose clean and then maybe he gets his dream move.
If I were a manager or chairman in the prem, I wouldn't touch him now. Maybe overseas he'd have a chance but I think he's the most likely one to stay and the one that could most likely turn it around if he does.
Zanka and Flo are at least known overseas, full internationals etc.
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Post by townatheart on Jun 11, 2019 13:38:57 GMT 1
I think it unlikely in the extreme that there will be no offers for these three if they are advertised as being available. The dilemma would be if the club is prepared to let them go under its current valuation to preserve the dressing room morale. What dressing room morale is that? A dressing room that couldn't win a game against teams that weren't even trying. Football is not about loyalty its about money and the capability of your players. Players are more powerful than managers and must be retained at all costs or sold for their market value. There is never a rationale for selling any asset below market value. Hopefully you are just trying to make a point, because if you mean those two points literally than I would invite you to make an attempt at some lateral thinking and using just a bit of imagination and thought. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 11, 2019 13:39:54 GMT 1
I think it unlikely in the extreme that there will be no offers for these three if they are advertised as being available. The dilemma would be if the club is prepared to let them go under its current valuation to preserve the dressing room morale. What dressing room morale is that? A dressing room that couldn't win a game against teams that weren't even trying. Football is not about loyalty its about money and the capability of your players. Players are more powerful than managers and must be retained at all costs or sold for their market value. There is never a rationale for selling any asset below market value. One player that doesn't want to play can probably be managed in the way of which you speak. Three though is a different kettle of fish. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jun 11, 2019 13:40:54 GMT 1
My question is if one or more of these players are still here, how do we put their shenanigans behind us. The club, their colleagues, the management and the fans would all need to draw a line under things and move on to have any hope of moving forwards - is this realistic? It’s not bloody Coronation Street with a soap opera storyline. If they stay then they stay, it doesn’t really matter. Anyone who holds a grudge against a player wanting to move needs to grow up. Saying that doesn't stop it happening though, does it? Look at how West Ham fans still hate Paul Ince now, 30 years after he joined Man Utd. I've seen Town fans this week tweeting ill will to these very players - one even wishing a career ending injury on Zanka. Yes, a stupid comment but he still feels that way. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 11, 2019 13:42:25 GMT 1
As I can see it we have three first team players who have, in some way, burned their bridges before they have left the club - Phil Billing, Zanka and Flo. (have I missed anyone?) It is possible that one or more of these might actually be our player come the start of the season. If no clubs meet our valuation, or even come in for them, we will be stuck with them. Now, at their best, playing well and giving 100%, each of these could be a real asset in the Championship. My question is if one or more of these players are still here, how do we put their shenanigans behind us. The club, their colleagues, the management and the fans would all need to draw a line under things and move on to have any hope of moving forwards - is this realistic? Note: this is not a thread intended to discuss how likely it is that any of these players will still be here, only the possibility that one or more might be and what that would mean. I must have missed something. What has Flo said/done? Zanka? I think that one would be retrievable. He's spoken about a boring situation here - and if you're not in the side I can understand that. Billing? The sensible side of me hopes that we just fuck him off for whatever we can get for him, but there's a part of me that would be happy for him to spend the rest of his contract training on his own. Should he ever appear in a matchday 18 for us again? Nope. Not even in an injury crisis. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jun 11, 2019 13:47:38 GMT 1
As I can see it we have three first team players who have, in some way, burned their bridges before they have left the club - Phil Billing, Zanka and Flo. (have I missed anyone?) It is possible that one or more of these might actually be our player come the start of the season. If no clubs meet our valuation, or even come in for them, we will be stuck with them. Now, at their best, playing well and giving 100%, each of these could be a real asset in the Championship. My question is if one or more of these players are still here, how do we put their shenanigans behind us. The club, their colleagues, the management and the fans would all need to draw a line under things and move on to have any hope of moving forwards - is this realistic? Note: this is not a thread intended to discuss how likely it is that any of these players will still be here, only the possibility that one or more might be and what that would mean. I must have missed something. What has Flo said/done?Gave an interview where he basically said his future lie away from the cub, probably in the Bundesliga or Serie A. Yes, he thinks he's good enough for Serie A. |
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Post by Jack on Jun 11, 2019 13:50:01 GMT 1
Unlikely Flo could cross anything let alone a bridge.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 11, 2019 14:20:07 GMT 1
I'd definitely keep Billing if nobody meets our valuation. Most of what he's reportedly said has been blown out of all proportion by some folk, as is usually the case when a player isn't 100% loyal to us, despite them having no previous allegiance to us before they signed.
If Danish newspaper asks a player what his thoughts are on his situation at the club and whether he's likely to be moving on, does he give them an honest answer or does he say "no comment" in the fear that he may upset a few on DATM?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 14:37:52 GMT 1
Billing is/would be the best midfielder in the championship. A decent manager and strong leadership we should be shoe ins for promotion such is the calibre of the current squad for the championship, but I'm not sure that's what the club is striving for. Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Grant, Hogg. 6 players who cut it in the Prem now playing in a championship which is miles and miles below the premier in terms of player calibre.. Incredible opportunity for the new chairman to get straight back at the first attempt. Not sure where ideas like this come from. He's proved time and time again that when the going gets tough he's found wanting. A few decent games last season doesn't make him a star, his head goes down faster than Chesty Morgan's. Years of watching what is a very simple game at the top level. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 14:38:40 GMT 1
^100% agree with Frankiesleftpeg ...and exasperated by being translated into English and people taking literal meaning from rough interpretations...same with Zanka to be honest.. He wants the end of his boring time in Hudds....all he’s saying is he wants to PLAY football not sit on the sideline, and of course he does, he’s 29 and finally become a regular pick for his country. Would like to see more players coming out with similar sentiments. I think Billing roughly a month after Siewert arrived was still talking about giving his all and his relegation wasn’t a certainty etc he just wanted his chance to play. His more recent moans seem to be “well I know I’m good enough, but I’m not picked and I don’t want to sit on a bench, I want to play football...so I guess my time is probably over” (along with the bit that people seem to have ignored where he states he doesn’t really get involved, he leaves all that stuff to agents and he remains a Town player if we want him) No idea what if anything Flo has said or done, but surely he’s just been dropped because Siewert worked out the other players in his position were better (same with Kongolo v Zanka, but with the added frustration that we did repeatedly play a less technical, less athletic, poorer reader of the game in Stankovic where Zanka could have likely performed a better job...albeit it wouldn’t have made much difference at the end of the day!). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 14:57:02 GMT 1
Will these three be in pre-season at Austria.It will be interesting to see IF no one comes in for them .
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 11, 2019 15:04:24 GMT 1
^100% agree with Frankiesleftpeg ...and exasperated by being translated into English and people taking literal meaning from rough interpretations...same with Zanka to be honest.. He wants the end of his boring time in Hudds....all he’s saying is he wants to PLAY football not sit on the sideline, and of course he does, he’s 29 and finally become a regular pick for his country. Would like to see more players coming out with similar sentiments. I think Billing roughly a month after Siewert arrived was still talking about giving his all and his relegation wasn’t a certainty etc he just wanted his chance to play. His more recent moans seem to be “well I know I’m good enough, but I’m not picked and I don’t want to sit on a bench, I want to play football...so I guess my time is probably over” (along with the bit that people seem to have ignored where he states he doesn’t really get involved, he leaves all that stuff to agents and he remains a Town player if we want him) No idea what if anything Flo has said or done, but surely he’s just been dropped because Siewert worked out the other players in his position were better (same with Kongolo v Zanka, but with the added frustration that we did repeatedly play a less technical, less athletic, poorer reader of the game in Stankovic where Zanka could have likely performed a better job...albeit it wouldn’t have made much difference at the end of the day!). "I'm still a Huddersfield player, I can't stand & say I'm done, I've done that before & it didn't go well afterwards." I think he knows why he isn't playing & understands fully what was said. He's made it clear with his media interviews he doesn't want to be here & after his last interview Sean Jarvis say they are dealing with the matter internally. I seriously doubt he'll play for us again, move on. Making out he's done nothing wrong & the club are responsible for him leaving? Really? |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jun 11, 2019 15:06:58 GMT 1
Feel sorry for Flo he's always the fall guy.
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Post by Senator Clay Davis on Jun 11, 2019 15:07:15 GMT 1
I must have missed something. What has Flo said/done?Gavae an interview where he basically said his future lie away from the cub, probably in the Bundesliga or Serie A. Yes, he thinks he's good enough for Serie A. Knowing our luck that little tosspiece will be one we get stuck with... - Did the dirty on his last club to force a move - Trying to weasel his way out here - Litterally this week changed his international allegiance back to the country he's actually from and had previously ignored trying to play for a higher profile team. The guy doesn't have a loyal bone in his body. Which I get is part and parcel 'he's a pro blah blah'. Clearly we and other clubs are always willing to ignore this. Unless you are shit, which he is. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 11, 2019 15:14:48 GMT 1
Feel sorry for Flo he's always the fall guy. only when an opposition attacker more often than not runs past him without a challenge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 15:25:37 GMT 1
My question is if one or more of these players are still here, how do we put their shenanigans behind us. The club, their colleagues, the management and the fans would all need to draw a line under things and move on to have any hope of moving forwards - is this realistic? It’s not bloody Coronation Street with a soap opera storyline. If they stay then they stay, it doesn’t really matter. Anyone who holds a grudge against a player wanting to move needs to grow up. Sadly it is not that easy to forgive particularly PB . |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 11, 2019 15:29:10 GMT 1
I must have missed something. What has Flo said/done?Gave an interview where he basically said his future lie away from the cub, probably in the Bundesliga or Serie A. Yes, he thinks he's good enough for Serie A. WHAT!! How dare he say his future lies away from our club. Stone the little shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 15:43:48 GMT 1
^100% agree with Frankiesleftpeg ...and exasperated by being translated into English and people taking literal meaning from rough interpretations...same with Zanka to be honest.. He wants the end of his boring time in Hudds....all he’s saying is he wants to PLAY football not sit on the sideline, and of course he does, he’s 29 and finally become a regular pick for his country. Would like to see more players coming out with similar sentiments. I think Billing roughly a month after Siewert arrived was still talking about giving his all and his relegation wasn’t a certainty etc he just wanted his chance to play. His more recent moans seem to be “well I know I’m good enough, but I’m not picked and I don’t want to sit on a bench, I want to play football...so I guess my time is probably over” (along with the bit that people seem to have ignored where he states he doesn’t really get involved, he leaves all that stuff to agents and he remains a Town player if we want him) No idea what if anything Flo has said or done, but surely he’s just been dropped because Siewert worked out the other players in his position were better (same with Kongolo v Zanka, but with the added frustration that we did repeatedly play a less technical, less athletic, poorer reader of the game in Stankovic where Zanka could have likely performed a better job...albeit it wouldn’t have made much difference at the end of the day!). "I'm still a Huddersfield player, I can't stand & say I'm done, I've done that before & it didn't go well afterwards." I think he knows why he isn't playing & understands fully what was said. He's made it clear with his media interviews he doesn't want to be here & after his last interview Sean Jarvis say they are dealing with the matter internally. I seriously doubt he'll play for us again, move on. Making out he's done nothing wrong & the club are responsible for him leaving? Really? Not sure what you mean by “move on”...I don’t really care one way or another if he’s with us or not next season...if he goes he goes and hopefully it will mean extra funds available to bolster some of the more obvious weak areas in the squad, if he stays and plays we’ll likely have a better selection of midfield players than if he left...so...positives to look out for in both directions. On the final point...what has he done wrong specifically, I’ve not seen or heard of anything he’s done other than not be picked and then spoken about his time here, all of which sounded fair enough to me if a little naive to be openly discussing ?? And he hasn’t left, so I’m not sure why you think I’m saying the club are responsible for him leaving. All I’ve heard directly attributable to Sean Jarvis says it’s internal matter (maybe dealt with by a bit of a refresher on his social awareness training)...that’s all. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jun 11, 2019 16:18:52 GMT 1
Gave an interview where he basically said his future lie away from the cub, probably in the Bundesliga or Serie A. Yes, he thinks he's good enough for Serie A. WHAT!! How dare he say his future lies away from our club. Stone the little shit. What has Mooy said when asked, JJL? |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jun 11, 2019 16:20:06 GMT 1
"I'm still a Huddersfield player, I can't stand & say I'm done, I've done that before & it didn't go well afterwards." I think he knows why he isn't playing & understands fully what was said. He's made it clear with his media interviews he doesn't want to be here & after his last interview Sean Jarvis say they are dealing with the matter internally. I seriously doubt he'll play for us again, move on. Making out he's done nothing wrong & the club are responsible for him leaving? Really? Not sure what you mean by “move on”...I don’t really care one way or another if he’s with us or not next season...if he goes he goes and hopefully it will mean extra funds available to bolster some of the more obvious weak areas in the squad, if he stays and plays we’ll likely have a better selection of midfield players than if he left...so...positives to look out for in both directions. On the final point...what has he done wrong specifically, I’ve not seen or heard of anything he’s done other than not be picked and then spoken about his time here, all of which sounded fair enough to me if a little naive to be openly discussing ?? And he hasn’t left, so I’m not sure why you think I’m saying the club are responsible for him leaving. All I’ve heard directly attributable to Sean Jarvis says it’s internal matter (maybe dealt with by a bit of a refresher on his social awareness training)...that’s all. I have it from a reliable source that he has arrived late for training hungover, giving it billy big balls... |
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