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Post by greyarea on Jul 9, 2019 4:18:38 GMT 1
I appreciate it is only training but both Coleman and Schofield look very decent. I rate Schofield extremely highly, he has been better than Smithies (who was excellent) at each comparable age group but he is still very young. Joel Coleman on the other hand is a few year older. 23 soon to turn 24 and really pushed Danny Ward during his time here. I would go as far as to say Colemans shot stopping was better than Wards, but Wards distribution/passing was better (which was a vital part of Wagner 4231 system from kick off). than Coelmans.
However he's had 3 years to practice (promotion and 2 years in the Prem.
Maybe looking for a loan keeper is not the highest of priorities? forget Ben Hamer.
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Post by golcarexile on Jul 9, 2019 4:45:34 GMT 1
To be fair, Hamer looked good in the videos from pre-season last year. I agree that Schofield looks to have something about him and might be in contention for a first-team role before too long. I'm not convinced by Coleman, not sure why. He's at the age where he should be pushing for a start, regardless of who else is on the books.
If we were to bring in a highly-rated prospect on loan, like the lad from Bournemouth, there are no guarantees he'd be any better than we've got.
Personally I would prefer to see an older head come in. David Marshall would have fit the bill, but looks like he's going/gone to Wigan?
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Post by belvoirterrier on Jul 9, 2019 6:49:16 GMT 1
I saw Schofield several times last season for Notts County. He may eventually be ok for the Championship but not yet. Town need an experienced keeper at Championship level at least. A good keeper is an essential part of having a successful season. Play any of the present options and we will regret it. Janet is a definite non starter.
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Post by belvoirterrier on Jul 9, 2019 6:51:00 GMT 1
For Janet read Hamer, damned predictive text!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 6:57:07 GMT 1
Coleman should've started more games once we were deffo relegated from the Prem. Hamer was pretty poor and quite clearly at odds with his defenders while playing out the season.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 9, 2019 7:00:27 GMT 1
Watch players in a circle in training playing piggy in the middle... They have great control and quick passing. Put those same players in a game and half of them can't trap a bag of cement or pass a ball when not under pressure.
Training videos mean nothing.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 9, 2019 8:09:33 GMT 1
Watch players in a circle in training playing piggy in the middle... They have great control and quick passing. Put those same players in a game and half of them can't trap a bag of cement or pass a ball when not under pressure. Training videos mean nothing. How many visits down the local coop you expecting this season Yorkie? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 9, 2019 8:32:19 GMT 1
Coleman better than smithies.. wow ..
Hope to god we get a first choice keeper which I know we will
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Post by townatheart on Jul 9, 2019 8:42:36 GMT 1
I appreciate it is only training but both Coleman and Schofield look very decent. I rate Schofield extremely highly, he has been better than Smithies (who was excellent) at each comparable age group but he is still very young. Joel Coleman on the other hand is a few year older. 23 soon to turn 24 and really pushed Danny Ward during his time here. I would go as far as to say Colemans shot stopping was better than Wards, but Wards distribution/passing was better (which was a vital part of Wagner 4231 system from kick off). than Coelmans. However he's had 3 years to practice (promotion and 2 years in the Prem. Maybe looking for a loan keeper is not the highest of priorities? forget Ben Hamer. Can follow your line of thought, but can not quite agree, although it may be that we as a matter of fact have to accept that course. And while the lad from Bournemouth does look impressive, can see the point made by another poster that as a young keeper he may not be any/much better than what we have. I also would prefer to see an experienced person (like Marshall, Darlow) come in with solid history and good level of competence, to add confidence to the back line. Still think that it is a critical position, and in that case, hope we do not take the 'economical' path. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:06:27 GMT 1
It’s a very important position and one we should splash out on a bit this summer, whether permanent or loan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:10:48 GMT 1
If we are serious about challenging this year, a decent keeper is a must.
I know its a different level, but Liverpool bringing in Alysson did the trick. Equally Leeds not having a keeper they could trust cost them dear.
The spine of the team is the most important bit to get right. If that doesn't work, the rest might as well not turn up.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 9, 2019 9:30:35 GMT 1
First thing Brian Clough did at Forest was bring in a top keeper. Arguably most important position in the team.
We need to find a good one, maybe another Prem League loanee as I don't think what we have is anything other than back up, if we're going to challenge this year.
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Post by midlander on Jul 9, 2019 9:36:32 GMT 1
Ramsdale will be the keeper. Pretty sure about that, but will have to wait until Bournemouth sign a keeper. Problem may come, if that doesn't happen until late in window and Town may be forced to go for a different option.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 9, 2019 9:44:41 GMT 1
I wouldnt be confident about either Coleman or Hamer as first choice. However, if Schofield is being included in training videos it gives the impression that those 3 will form the goalkeeping unit which is a bit worrying tbh. Hopefully still time to sign a good first choice keeper. You need quality at each extreme end of the team. Quality stopper and quality goalscorer then work on the bits in the middle.
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Post by crux on Jul 9, 2019 9:52:41 GMT 1
I wouldnt be confident about either Coleman or Hamer as first choice. However, if Schofield is being included in training videos it gives the impression that those 3 will form the goalkeeping unit which is a bit worrying tbh. Hopefully still time to sign a good first choice keeper. You need quality at each extreme end of the team. Quality stopper and quality goalscorer then work on the bits in the middle. Schofield & Coleman will be included, but Hamer isn't in Austria and has been 'sent to Coventry' and told to find another club - apparently. If, as rumoured, we are getting Ramsdale on loan from Bournemouth, I'd be looking at an experienced backup keeper as well and sending either Coleman or Schofield out on loan. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 9, 2019 10:00:49 GMT 1
First thing Brian Clough did at Forest was bring in a top keeper. Arguably most important position in the team. We need to find a good one, maybe another Prem League loanee as I don't think what we have is anything other than back up, if we're going to challenge this year. Clough always built his sides based on the keeper and 4 defenders. I agree with that methodology. I really good defence will win promotion from the Championship even without much attacking quality. |
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Post by greyarea on Jul 9, 2019 10:12:46 GMT 1
Coleman better than smithies.. wow .. Hope to god we get a first choice keeper which I know we will No, I said that Schofield is better or showing higher potential than Smithies was at the same age. |
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Post by froggyterrier on Jul 9, 2019 10:19:59 GMT 1
This season Coleman should be first choice until January. We shouldn't be searching for a goalkeeper.
If he's not ready to be given a chance now as our first choice, he'll never be ready. Tell him this is chance and to go be the best goalkeeper in the championship.
Coleman 1st choice
Hamer on the bench
Schofield 3rd choice but get him a loan in January and promote Harrison Davidson up to 3rd choice for the second half of the season.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 9, 2019 10:29:04 GMT 1
First thing Brian Clough did at Forest was bring in a top keeper. Arguably most important position in the team. We need to find a good one, maybe another Prem League loanee as I don't think what we have is anything other than back up, if we're going to challenge this year. Clough always built his sides based on the keeper and 4 defenders. I agree with that methodology. I really good defence will win promotion from the Championship even without much attacking quality. As proven by us in 2017. |
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Post by boxster2700 on Jul 9, 2019 10:31:05 GMT 1
I appreciate it is only training but both Coleman and Schofield look very decent. I rate Schofield extremely highly, he has been better than Smithies (who was excellent) at each comparable age group but he is still very young. Joel Coleman on the other hand is a few year older. 23 soon to turn 24 and really pushed Danny Ward during his time here. I would go as far as to say Colemans shot stopping was better than Wards, but Wards distribution/passing was better (which was a vital part of Wagner 4231 system from kick off). than Coelmans. However he's had 3 years to practice (promotion and 2 years in the Prem. Maybe looking for a loan keeper is not the highest of priorities? forget Ben Hamer. if thats training its laughable, bloody hell footballers are on easy street, |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 9, 2019 11:09:20 GMT 1
Coleman better than smithies.. wow .. Hope to god we get a first choice keeper which I know we will No, I said that Schofield is better or showing higher potential than Smithies was at the same age. Ah right .... I think that's bunkum also m. Would you be happy to go into the season with these two? |
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Post by greyarea on Jul 9, 2019 11:19:32 GMT 1
No, I said that Schofield is better or showing higher potential than Smithies was at the same age. Ah right .... I think that's bunkum also m. Would you be happy to go into the season with these two? No, I too would like to solid, experienced pan keeper brought in. However when Danny Ward came in, he and Coleman were a similar age and fairly close in ability terms. Ward got the No1 spot and clearly developed over the season becoming the better keeper. Coleman is now nearly 24, time to make his break through ( with or without Huddersfield). So I think Coleman has the next few weeks to step up and stake his claim to being No1. If not get in a loan keeper. There is a couple of weeks grace there. I do take the point about Ben Hamer looking good pre-season and then crumbling under the pressure of a proper league game. |
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 9, 2019 11:20:18 GMT 1
Why are so many convinced Coleman is the answer?!
Watched him a few times last season during his loan to Shrewsbury and he was woeful. Sorry to sound harsh but it's true.
Not good enough and do not want to be proved correct.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 9, 2019 11:22:03 GMT 1
Ah right .... I think that's bunkum also m. Would you be happy to go into the season with these two? No, I too would like to solid, experienced pan keeper brought in. However when Danny Ward came in, he and Coleman were a similar age and fairly close in ability terms. Ward got the No1 spot and clearly developed over the season becoming the better keeper. Coleman is now nearly 24, time to make his break through ( with or without Huddersfield). So I think Coleman has the next few weeks to step up and stake his claim to being No1. If not get in a loan keeper. There is a couple of weeks grace there. I do take the point about Ben Hamer looking good pre-season and then crumbling under the pressure of a proper league game. Coleman has never been anywhere near ward in terms of ability. Not sure what you are basing that on .. and I'm sure unless he makes huge strides and or our money runs out then he will next play at first team level for someone else . But it's a game of opinions and you are of course entitled to yours |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jul 9, 2019 11:22:08 GMT 1
Adrian from West Ham still on a free. Better than any we have IMHO
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Post by greyarea on Jul 9, 2019 11:23:36 GMT 1
Why are so many convinced Coleman is the answer?! Watched him a few times last season during his loan to Shrewsbury and he was woeful. Sorry to sound harsh but it's true. Not good enough and do not want to be proved correct. To be clear, I'm not saying he is. It is that he has a chance to show he could be in this year's preseason |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 9, 2019 11:23:49 GMT 1
Are we bringing in a loan keeper? Coleman is not the answer and god help us if we end up with Calamity Hamer in goal.
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Post by townatheart on Jul 9, 2019 11:28:08 GMT 1
Adrian from West Ham still on a free. Better than any we have IMHO Indeed, would wages be an issue. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jul 9, 2019 11:55:13 GMT 1
Adrian from West Ham still on a free. Better than any we have IMHO Indeed, would wages be an issue. Not really - if we paid him £25k a week on a 2 year deal that's £2.6 million, add on a decent signing fee and we could secure him for less than £3.5m - surely worth that? £30k a week is £3.1m not including signing on fee. |
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Post by Floyds on Jul 9, 2019 12:05:42 GMT 1
We don't have £3.1m though, unless someone leaves.
The young Bournemouth keeper, on loan at Wimbledon last season, seems about right.
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