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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2019 22:12:19 GMT 1
Another poor defensive error, capitalised on brilliantly, then a wonder goal. That gave Derby the opportunity to control the game from then on, even after our goal. They were time wasting, doing their best to suggest the pitch was like an ice rink. We took the game to them first 15 of the second half, but then went a bit flat & Derby saw it out. That 15 min spell and some other parts of the performance suggest to me that we'll be OK, we're far more positive. We need to get a result Sat to make sure the mental side of the game doesn't act like a team-wide hamstring injury. Still wondering where the positive is in this response? If the most we can grasp is a 15 minute period at home, I fear for us. 3+ seasons we’ve been inept going forward, you would think we might concentrate on that. Flo is useless. Kongolo is a CB. Echo. Echo. Echoooo. Bloody inept going forward in a promotion season - give yer head a bloody good shake man! As for the poor crosses it would take an exceptional cross to pick out 1 Town man against 3 or 4 defenders - get more folk in the box and our crossing would immediately look different. That said I think Flo and Kongolo should look to attempt to beat their man on the inside and draw other defenders towards them rather than always swinging in it hopefully.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 5, 2019 22:12:26 GMT 1
When I saw Kachunga come on instead of O'Brien or Koroma, that was the game for me. Elias, god love him, shouldn't play again for us unless injury forces it. Offering nothing. Koroma was sat in the stands. How can he be brought on? For me the players looked slow and cumbersome Not good signs. In fact worrying
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Post by impact on Aug 5, 2019 22:14:03 GMT 1
You what Jan?
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Post by Champers on Aug 5, 2019 22:15:36 GMT 1
The one thing apparent to me that has changed since we were last here, is we've lost our identity. I honestly had no fucking clue what our plan A was tonight.
My niggling doubt about us all summer was whether or not Jan was tactically astute enough. I honestly don't think he'll be here beyond the year but would love him to ram my words down my throat.
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Post by peace on Aug 5, 2019 22:16:03 GMT 1
I hope you guys do go up but the coach has not got a clue, that's from coaching or getting his ethos to the players they have no clue at all what to do on the ball when your going forward your front three just stand still no movement.
Maupay, Woods, Jansson, Westwood, Maddison etc players have being sold or stayed put which would have made you better, lots of money however the previous owner has rinsed you dry.
Would get on Hughtons door now before it's too late, stoke were poor last season but looked better than you guys
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Post by Hank Hill on Aug 5, 2019 22:16:10 GMT 1
Lots of raw talent to work with there tonight. The team bust a gut and there was no lack of effort, but they were wanting it too much and looked really nervous in the first half. Brains were scrambled and quite often players weren't think straight, or just panicked (Schindler and Kachunga should have buried those chances - open goals). Haderjonaj did well in the first half linking with Diakhaby, but not as well in the second when Diakhaby tired. Kachunga didn't play well with Haderjonaj down that right flank - too much running around in circles. It looks as though Haderjonaj will be the scapegoat again this season - if players aren't going to come and support him, he needs crossing practice. The most important player that we have signed this season will probably be the goalkeeper. Too sensible a post for this board, try again...
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Post by ponteterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:16:14 GMT 1
I cant believe a team from the premier league for two years has this team on display.... There is no identity to the way you guys play, your players have no idea what to do or what the plan is going forward, you run into space and then just lose the ball. You have an aged CB in Elphick and have wasted money on those forward players who simply dont look good enough. Players were gassing in the first half never mind the second half, you have to ask where the money has gone! League 1 striker up top isolated- gonna be a long season let me guess, Leeds fan?
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 5, 2019 22:16:27 GMT 1
Same old same old. Too slow in possession. I agree with this. Very lethargic in build-up, allowing the opposition to set their defence.
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Post by stevvy on Aug 5, 2019 22:17:29 GMT 1
Shit defending, lost despite them doing nothing in the 2nd half, ref was shit (despite giving us a penalty, and no he isn't the reason we lost), finishing as usual was shit as for the last god knows how many years if we have 15 shots if we're lucky we might get 3 on target
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 22:18:54 GMT 1
If you want to see how a 4-3-3 is executed to a high a standard, watch Liverpool next week.. How was it executed tonight? I’m more of a fan of playing your best players in their best positions. How about starting with our 18m centre back, playing centre back. Or our best player starting in CM. Or playing a a guy in Pritchard who’s only played 10 in his career, at, no 10. Especially when it’s a league which he’s thrived in. Find it really silly to compare it to a club that’s spent hundreds of millions and had one of the top 3 managers in the world who’s spent 3 seasons training them for that formation pritchards best season was at brentford at left wing but hey ho
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:19:19 GMT 1
Jan is deluded thinks we deserved something. We were shite.
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Post by steve65 on Aug 5, 2019 22:19:35 GMT 1
Crap ! Same old display.....no-body comfortable on the ball, can't string 2 passes together, giving ball away too easily, can't get a decent ball in the box, still going sideways/backwards/sideways/backwards. This sums it up for me....On one occasion (when we had a corner) within 4 or 5 seconds from taking the corner, the ball was back in our box....we had a throw in down by the corner flag....4 or 5 seconds later the ball was back in our box. We were at home, 1st game back in championship (after a dismal season) & we played like an away side, trying to achieve a draw, with a hope of getting a winner on the break (& that's being kind)! I'm afraid (& ashamed) to say, if he hasn't sorted all this out by now, this guy (JS)needs to go...soon !
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 5, 2019 22:19:45 GMT 1
Jan out by Jan
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 5, 2019 22:19:47 GMT 1
Lots of raw talent to work with there tonight. The team bust a gut and there was no lack of effort, but they were wanting it too much and looked really nervous in the first half. Brains were scrambled and quite often players weren't think straight, or just panicked (Schindler and Kachunga should have buried those chances - open goals). Haderjonaj did well in the first half linking with Diakhaby, but not as well in the second when Diakhaby tired. Kachunga didn't play well with Haderjonaj down that right flank - too much running around in circles. It looks as though Haderjonaj will be the scapegoat again this season - if players aren't going to come and support him, he needs crossing practice. The most important player that we have signed this season will probably be the goalkeeper. Too sensible a post for this board, try again... I could just go really overboard and start a one word thread title such as disgusting, loathsome or abominable!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 5, 2019 22:20:51 GMT 1
Well that played exactly as I knew it would. We are the only team that loses midfield playing 433!! Same old frailties on display from last season and we still don't look like scoring.
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Post by E4b on Aug 5, 2019 22:20:54 GMT 1
Derby didn’t need to get out of first gear tonight, didn’t need to break sweat. It was men against boys, fucking dire
Makes me wonder how much shit Hamer would have got if he had gifted Lawrence the first goal in the manner our keeper did tonight!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2019 22:21:04 GMT 1
Pretty fair summary to me! Schindler and Kachunga should have done better with their crucial chances and we lost by a single goal.
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Post by TTerrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:21:16 GMT 1
How was it executed tonight? I’m more of a fan of playing your best players in their best positions. How about starting with our 18m centre back, playing centre back. Or our best player starting in CM. Or playing a a guy in Pritchard who’s only played 10 in his career, at, no 10. Especially when it’s a league which he’s thrived in. Find it really silly to compare it to a club that’s spent hundreds of millions and had one of the top 3 managers in the world who’s spent 3 seasons training them for that formation pritchards best season was at brentford at left wing but hey ho Good Brentford 14/15 knowledge
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 5, 2019 22:22:12 GMT 1
The one thing apparent to me that has changed since we were last here, is we've lost our identity. I honestly had no fucking clue what our plan A was tonight. My niggling doubt about us all summer was whether or not Jan was tactically astute enough. I honestly don't think he'll be here beyond the year but would love him to ram my words down my throat. Think I know what you mean.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 5, 2019 22:22:16 GMT 1
At least we've got the unbeaten at home monkey off our backs early...
C'mon folks, tomorrow you'll see that it wasn't as bad as it's getting played out on here. Derby were the more composed side, but as mentioned, if you go 2-0 up away from home & you've some decent ball players, then it's about game mgmt from there. Derby did that pretty well.
Elphick had a shocker, was hoping he could have buried that corner towards the end to make amends & Flo just needs to speed up his thought process. Aside of that, it wasn't as bad as folk are making out, just some poor decision making that stifled some of our better opportunities.
Onto W London, imagine the away support will help us get something...
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Post by ruggedivy on Aug 5, 2019 22:22:43 GMT 1
If you want to see how a 4-3-3 is executed to a high a standard, watch Liverpool next week.. How was it executed tonight? I’m more of a fan of playing your best players in their best positions. How about starting with our 18m centre back, playing centre back. Or our best player starting in CM. Or playing a a guy in Pritchard who’s only played 10 in his career, at, no 10. Especially when it’s a league which he’s thrived in. Find it really silly to compare it to a club that’s spent hundreds of millions and had one of the top 3 managers in the world who’s spent 3 seasons training them for that formation Your question was about tactics.. I answered it.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Aug 5, 2019 22:23:26 GMT 1
Jan is deluded thinks we deserved something. We were shite. Would rather he did this than had a go at them tbh. There was attacking intent there from the players. What was plainly lacking tonight were the fruits of Siewert's attempts over the summer at fixing our attacking shape, momentum, passing, movement, all of it. I'd rather he encourages them than has a go, because for me the fault doesn't rest with the players on the whole tonight. Elphick and Bacuna were both irresponsible in different ways, but this one is on Jan, and I think he knows it
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Post by impact on Aug 5, 2019 22:23:54 GMT 1
Pretty fair summary to me! Schindler and Kachunga should have done better with their crucial chances and we lost by a single goal. We didn't deserve anything from the game. We may have missed chances, but we were quite clearly 2nd best.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 5, 2019 22:24:23 GMT 1
Derby didn’t need to get out of first gear tonight, didn’t need to break sweat. It was men against boys, fucking dire Makes me wonder how much shit Hamer would have got if he had gifted Lawrence the first goal in the manner our keeper did tonight! Firstly it was Elphick that fked up. The keeper did well with the punch but none of our players covered our own line. Elphick was pretty dire for the first 45 minutes. Nearly as dire as Bacuna.
We looked a yard off the pace. When we went on the front foot we looked ok but once again with no end product at all.
Still it's the first game of the season. Rather produce that dross now than later.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 5, 2019 22:24:43 GMT 1
It's Jan's fault.
Saves me telling you he shouted his arse off for Hogg to get hold of Lawrence, saves me telling you that defenders trying to be clever will cost a shit load of goals again unless we stop it. Diakhaby coming back merely catches every one else out when he fails to stay with his man. Being back in numbers is not in itself 'defending'. Other that I thought we were worth a point and finally you have to be a very good player if you are as physically ineffective as Pritchard and we are yet to see it. Sack Jan that will sort it. As usual the odd fuckers who would sell their soul to be able to say "I told you so" are out.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2019 22:25:27 GMT 1
Derby didn’t need to get out of first gear tonight, didn’t need to break sweat. It was men against boys, fucking dire Makes me wonder how much shit Hamer would have got if he had gifted Lawrence the first goal in the manner our keeper did tonight! Just stop! Your attempt to look at anybody but Elphick re. blame for the first goal loses any shred of credibility in your argument! Grabara's top save from Waghorn would have probably been helped in by Hamer's paper wrists.
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Post by Champers on Aug 5, 2019 22:25:49 GMT 1
The one thing apparent to me that has changed since we were last here, is we've lost our identity. I honestly had no fucking clue what our plan A was tonight. My niggling doubt about us all summer was whether or not Jan was tactically astute enough. I honestly don't think he'll be here beyond the year but would love him to ram my words down my throat. Think I know what you mean. Look at that Brentford game at the start of that amazing season. We were well drilled, we were fit, and we were ready. From that very first game you just got a buzz about what we were doing. Contrast that with tonight's mess.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Aug 5, 2019 22:25:54 GMT 1
Why did diakhaby move inside after about 30 mins and gradually drift out of the game after being at the heart of it.
My biggest concern tonight was Elphick, he has never been fast but it looked like his legs had gone and he knew it so he kept trying to sneak in front of the opposition but often failed.
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Post by Htfc1987 on Aug 5, 2019 22:26:43 GMT 1
Hadergjonaj can’t cross. Elphick had a mare but let’s give Derby County some credit here though. They were onto us from the start, they played with pace and quality. We couldn’t touch the bloody ball in the first 15 minutes! Cocu tactically outplayed Siewert and he knew our strengths and weaknesses. Their number 10 was fabulous and their defence barely put a foot wrong all game. They’ll get promotion this year I think.
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Post by ponteterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:26:55 GMT 1
At least we've got the unbeaten at home monkey off our backs early... C'mon folks, tomorrow you'll see that it wasn't as bad as it's getting played out on here. Derby were the more composed side, but as mentioned, if you go 2-0 up away from home & you've some decent ball players, then it's about game mgmt from there. Derby did that pretty well. Elphick had a shocker, was hoping he could have buried that corner towards the end to make amends & Flo just needs to speed up his thought process. Aside of that, it wasn't as bad as folk are making out, just some poor decision making that stifled some of our better opportunities. Onto W London, imagine the away support will help us get something... Elphick could have decided to have his meltdown at league Cup match or whatever. Not on the town league debut. It makes us all worry how many more David James-esc errors he has in him
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