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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 6, 2019 7:45:46 GMT 1
We all pay our money and can have an opinion.
Imo we looked totally unfit and devoid of attacking ideas, it looked like we hadnt even done any homework on Derby at all.
They looked a much better team.
Also Elphick looks very very slow and schoolboy errors.
Worried.com.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 6, 2019 7:55:24 GMT 1
Why is it an over reaction?? Take your positive blinkers off. We've been shite for months and months. What positives were there last night? If we don't sack jan soon we will have a relegation battle on our hands if we stick with him. I'd rather have Jan harrier as manager than Siewart he's useless. Worse win rate than Wadsworth.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 6, 2019 8:03:27 GMT 1
It’s surely no overreaction.
This wasn’t his first game he’s been here a while now.
Maybe some sympathy for him last season but last night we were playing a Championship team and we were miles away in all areas of the pitch.
We’ve brought in players that are either not experienced at this level or (Elphick) at the end of their careers and should be a squad back up at best.
I hope that this situation is not allowed to go on for too long without some positive action been taken.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 8:11:24 GMT 1
w3hat a over reaction from most on here and on RL. SUPPORTERS? a bloody joke. grow up Well said, another 45 games to play and the world is over. |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 6, 2019 8:11:33 GMT 1
I’ve seen much worse from a town and Derby weren’t really that amazing. Truth is they are one of the best in the league and will be up there come the last games. We didn’t get totally battered 5-0 or anything and we were our own worst enemy.
Early, early doors. There will be plenty more shit ones.
Main think is buckling up, getting a lot more positive output and making sure it’s a comfortable top half finish.
Not giving up after 1 game......
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Post by Mounié Talks on Aug 6, 2019 8:30:07 GMT 1
I’ve seen much worse from a town and Derby weren’t really that amazing. Truth is they are one of the best in the league and will be up there come the last games. We didn’t get totally battered 5-0 or anything and we were our own worst enemy. Early, early doors. There will be plenty more shit ones. Main think is buckling up, getting a lot more positive output and making sure it’s a comfortable top half finish. Not giving up after 1 game...... UTT So the positives are we didn't get battered 5-0 at home to a Derby team who lost the bulk of there squad from last season, while we maintained the bulk of a team that finished the premier league with points, 18 goals and conceded 72 goals. There have been worse Town teams over the years. But buckling up and just accepting a turgid performance will ensure a top half finish. We have 4 wins in 40 games. At some point this losing attitude and culture has to stop and we should be demanding more of these players and the squad. It is one game in yes and by the end of the month it may have changed but Siewert has not done anything to suggest this alarming form will turnaround and just hoping it will won't achieve anything. |
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Post by Manx Terrier on Aug 6, 2019 8:33:49 GMT 1
w3hat a over reaction from most on here and on RL. SUPPORTERS? a bloody joke. grow up The problem is you have never understood that supporters includes people who are prepared to criticise. Namely have a balanced view. |
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Post by mickwadsworth26 on Aug 6, 2019 8:35:25 GMT 1
w3hat a over reaction from most on here and on RL. SUPPORTERS? a bloody joke. grow up The problem is you have never understood that supporters includes people who are prepared to criticise. Namely have a balanced view. I don’t usually bet against my own team, but qpr to win on Saturday looks v tempting |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 8:37:27 GMT 1
The problem is you have never understood that supporters includes people who are prepared to criticise. Namely have a balanced view. I don’t usually bet against my own team, but qpr to win on Saturday looks v tempting Put your house on it, get down early. |
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Post by Htfc65 on Aug 6, 2019 8:40:55 GMT 1
some arse said it was a calculated, tactical move for Derby to have nothing in the second half.. clearly mystic meg told em at half time, sit off, town will have 2 fucking gilt edged, easy chances to score but will miss em and we we will win 1-2??? we have not dominated a half of football like that since Wolves away.. sievert is obviously at fault for an experienced centre half getting far too clever and then failing to move out and close lawrence down.. football management would be great if you didnt have 11 fuckers representing you on the pitch at times.... Bacuna was injured early on but stayed on and got worse, maybe he told the staff he was really bad but they said 'fuck it junior, you are staying on'... missing tonight was the plan b, big lad up front for the long periods they were forced to sit in..makes it a harder tactic to adopt but still 2 absolute sitters and we missed em. a friend of mine sits behind the bench, first half full of expletives to pick up lawrence, failure from the players.. dont care wether you like the boss, if you really wont do as you are told then fuck off, problem is nobody really wants you so its now down to you to fucking frame and man up.. some town fans are probably no worse than other manic depressives at other clubs who use the games and posting sites as 'therapy' but we are level on points with stoke and fulham and cardiff, fulham could not score with a front line earning over 150k a week ffs.. reality is we were not a premiership team last season, we just happened to play 19 others who were and its gonna take a bit of time in the 'real games' for the doom merchants to realise it.. Derby get pushed back like that again give away 2 clear cut golden chances and lose 3-2 their manager is the c-nt..fine lines we can get better..some tactics work well some need a lot of luck...we gave em a goal which had nothing to do with the managers approach or tactics and we missed a couple of blobbers which had absolutely nothing to do with their 'tactics in the second half'... when we have not won in 12 games then its time to think again.. i am not a happy clapper just a realist.. Couldn't agree more, if the players don't take instructions on board we are knackered. In my opinion we should have had a point but football is cruel. Head up everyone we will adjust to championship football again and finish top half no problem. |
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Post by mickwadsworth26 on Aug 6, 2019 8:41:24 GMT 1
I don’t usually bet against my own team, but qpr to win on Saturday looks v tempting Put your house on it, get down early. I’ll remind you of this post at 5pm on Saturday |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 8:42:37 GMT 1
Put your house on it, get down early. I’ll remind you of this post at 5pm on Saturday ? Enjoy your winnings. |
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 6, 2019 8:44:16 GMT 1
any manager who 'gambles' that the other team will miss gilt edged chances is a fucking idiot.. we were not 'supposed' to make gilt edged chances you arse, they were supposed to get us on the break and that fucking failed miserably, the only save our keeper made after the 2 balls ups was from a shot after bacuna had had his shirt pulled back directly in front of the ref??? a defensive masterclass is a long shot or two and a couple of dangerous crosses that need defending very well, not fucking hoping the other team miss 2 easy chances and you do absolutely nothing in the other half.. derby got away with it tonight, thats all.. agreed we were not great and were pretty poor in the first half but pretending derby ran the game both halves is absolute loser mentality bollox.. Pipe down Chachi, no need to call me an arse. They were obviously sitting in looking to sting us on the break in the 2nd half. Yes you are right, they created nothing, but then again, when you are winning you don’t need to create. Nobody is pretending Derby ran away with it in both halves, we are disappointed with our inability to break them down and equalise. Yes we had more possession the second half but were we effective enough with it? The final score suggests not. Well we did have chances. Schindler and Kacha both had golden chances, Mooy shaved the right hand post and Pritchard shaved the crossbar. We started the game poorly, giving their midfield far too much space, but we were just getting into the game when Elphick completely lost the plot and gave them a goal. Confidence from last season was already very fragile. I’m not sure how what Elphick did is supposed to help. On that showing, Elphick is a poor signing. We would do better playing Kongolo in the centre, or Stankovic or the young kid who looked very good in pre-season. |
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Post by ruggedivy on Aug 6, 2019 8:49:25 GMT 1
We’re doomed, all doomed..
How about giving it 6 games before we start making sweeping statements about the season ahead?!?
Burnley and Newcastle both had slow starts the seasons they got promoted.
We are in a league with 15 sides who have a realistic shot at promotion..
Lots of twists and turns!
However, you will save yourselves lots of heartache if you come to terms with the fact that it may take one or two seasons for us to become a force again in this division!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 6, 2019 9:10:23 GMT 1
I think there is underlying frustrations
We all hoped jan could make this team - which my view is better than the one which started our PL season at palace in 2017 - into a coherent competitive side
Last night hope met reality to a degree
As for the fans
I believe we statistically edured the worse top flight season for home wins in the history of the game last year (just two) - just missing the most home losses in a season
Our new chairman arrived in a cloud of confusion and rumours of failing fit and proper for betting - no comms from the club when a simple “we need to wait until mid June as the FA not PL are ratifying PH”. Instead silence and rumours
Our commercial team did a kit launch that was divisive
We sacked our assistant manager at the start of preseason only weeks after hiring him for compensation - replaced by a guy who manages amateur women’s team (who intially knocked us back)
We believe in a director of football approach but took 9 months to find our fourth one in 2.5 years
We’ve spent less this summer than Powell did 2015 - our left back options are a centre back out of position and a lad who couldn’t get in Exeter’s team last season. We need a left back
I know the above is doom laden but equally against that back drop you can surely appreciate the grumbles
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Post by willo on Aug 6, 2019 10:20:08 GMT 1
I think there is underlying frustrations We all hoped jan could make this team - which my view is better than the one which started our PL season at palace in 2017 - into a coherent competitive side Last night hope met reality to a degree As for the fans I believe we statistically edured the worse top flight season for home wins in the history of the game last year (just two) - just missing the most home losses in a season Our new chairman arrived in a cloud of confusion and rumours of failing fit and proper for betting - no comms from the club when a simple “we need to wait until mid June as the FA not PL are ratifying PH”. Instead silence and rumours Our commercial team did a kit launch that was divisive We sacked our assistant manager at the start of preseason only weeks after hiring him for compensation - replaced by a guy who manages amateur women’s team (who intially knocked us back) We believe in a director of football approach but took 9 months to find our fourth one in 2.5 years We’ve spent less this summer than Powell did 2015 - our left back options are a centre back out of position and a lad who couldn’t get in Exeter’s team last season. We need a left back I know the above is doom laden but equally against that back drop you can surely appreciate the grumbles Re the acquisition of new players, we’ve known what was required since the end of last season, weeks & weeks to sort this out & we’re still messing about with a few days of the transfer window to go. Could understand if it was a star centre forward we were chasing down but it’s a bloody decent LB! Come on!!! |
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Post by wigster on Aug 6, 2019 11:09:06 GMT 1
I would agree with you Willo - we have had a relatively long time to acquire new players, in today's football terms, and it does suggest that our planning, or effectiveness, with regard to this has been poor.
As ever with Town I veer from positive to negative very quickly, and back again. I was pleased that last night Siewert didn't rule out someone(s) coming in in the next couple of days, but I was equally a bit puzzled why this hadn't happened earlier. I know lots of things may happen in the last few days of the window but Wagner got his players in earlier and Siewert said he wanted to do likewise.
I totally accept that even though we were in the Premier league for 2 years it does not mean we can splash the cash and spend madly but surely it has left us in a secure enough position financially not to have to wait for the last few days of the transfer window. Has the idea of bedding in players and getting used to team play gone out the window ? I know that "even" loans cost money but I'm not advocating going for broke. I have absolutely no idea of the financial machinations of the last two years and the new Chairman etc but leaving the Premier league and, hopefully, just managing to break even isn't very inspiring - I'm old enough to remember the "no-one comes in till we sell someone" days of Longbottom and friends.
On the more positive side it may well be that the club is still incredibly ambitious and knows what it is doing and it WILL take 3 transfer windows (how, for example, do we get rid of the well-paid usual suspects who aren't going to leave us for lesser contacts/clubs?)but as a typically impatient supporter I had hoped that 2 years in the magical-money land of the Premier league meant that we didn't have to revert to the old Town ways that I've had most of my decades supporting them.
That said, as a typically fickle supporter, a player influx by Thursday and a win at QPR and all will be well again !
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 6, 2019 11:35:37 GMT 1
Set of moaning bastards we should just be happy to be on the same pitch as the likes of Derby.
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Post by Htfc1987 on Aug 6, 2019 11:39:46 GMT 1
Newcastle lost their first 2 games when they got relegated - their first home game was a 2-1 loss to us. They finished top. Let’s try not to panic just yet.
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Post by bacuna on Aug 6, 2019 11:40:44 GMT 1
I think there is underlying frustrations We all hoped jan could make this team - which my view is better than the one which started our PL season at palace in 2017 - into a coherent competitive side Last night hope met reality to a degree As for the fans I believe we statistically edured the worse top flight season for home wins in the history of the game last year (just two) - just missing the most home losses in a season Our new chairman arrived in a cloud of confusion and rumours of failing fit and proper for betting - no comms from the club when a simple “we need to wait until mid June as the FA not PL are ratifying PH”. Instead silence and rumours Our commercial team did a kit launch that was divisive We sacked our assistant manager at the start of preseason only weeks after hiring him for compensation - replaced by a guy who manages amateur women’s team (who intially knocked us back) We believe in a director of football approach but took 9 months to find our fourth one in 2.5 years We’ve spent less this summer than Powell did 2015 - our left back options are a centre back out of position and a lad who couldn’t get in Exeter’s team last season. We need a left back I know the above is doom laden but equally against that back drop you can surely appreciate the grumbles Think this nails the bigger picture, but on the pitch I think its the feeling of deja vu that does it.
I had no time at all for people grumbling about Jan last season; but:
- we played a formation that we don't have the players for, especially fullbacks. - we had decent players standing around looking clueless in defence (the 2nd goal). - we dominated possession after going behind but never stretched their defence. - we played almost no through balls, despite having some of the fastest forwards around. - we left the striker isolated. - as for the floaty pointless crosses. If I never see another of those in my lifetime it will be too soon.
There is no shame in losing to Derby. They've been one the strongest sides in the league for years. But we've all seen this film before, and it was a drag first time.
No need for dramatics after one match; but there's a ton to be worried about both on and off the pitch
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Post by captainblack on Aug 6, 2019 11:41:03 GMT 1
Last night was my first game for quite a while and although
I was disappointed by the result I honestly do not think
we are a million miles away from being a very competitive
outfit.my view is that there is a lot of potential in that
Town team , unfortunately we are not playing to our full
potential.
I think people are forgetting Derby reached the play off
finals last year , and I was surprised how ordinary they
looked tbh.I do believe it may take another 4/5 games for
us to begin to click , but I think we eventually will,
we really need a few wins behind us.
I can understand everybody's frustration , and certainly
our attacking play in the final third needs attention , hopefully
this will improve with more game time.I am not going to criticise
the players , it is not my style , but with a little more
confidence we will start winning games, of that I am positive.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 6, 2019 11:46:47 GMT 1
Newcastle lost their first 2 games when they got relegated - their first home game was a 2-1 loss to us. They finished top. Let’s try not to panic just yet. In 1982-83 under Mick Buxton we didn't win any of our first six games and still got promoted. Its not the fact that we lost that's pissing many off, its the fact that after a disastrous season in the PL we appear to have done nothing to address the problems. Derby are talking about bringing Wayne Rooney in as player coach whilst we've spent four fifths of fuck all on some players who were deemed to be not even good enough to make the bench last night. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:25:16 GMT 1
Last night was my first game for quite a while and although I was disappointed by the result I honestly do not think we are a million miles away from being a very competitive outfit.my view is that there is a lot of potential in that Town team , unfortunately we are not playing to our full potential. I think people are forgetting Derby reached the play off finals last year , and I was surprised how ordinary they looked tbh.I do believe it may take another 4/5 games for us to begin to click , but I think we eventually will, we really need a few wins behind us. I can understand everybody's frustration , and certainly our attacking play in the final third needs attention , hopefully this will improve with more game time.I am not going to criticise the players , it is not my style , but with a little more confidence we will start winning games, of that I am positive. i understand the frustration but the abuse of players when in what was a good game just makes me more convinced that some on here are not fit in football terms purpose.this is my last post and for the proper fans all the best |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 6, 2019 13:55:24 GMT 1
Not sure some understand the phrase 'balanced view'?
It's all shit, the manager must be sacked, players we have not seen play for us are shit, the board is shit and the clappers missing affected the crowd and the game and made it shit?
That is a balanced view apparently.
The view that it's one game, last season was so bad eventually that it really does not count in 'preparation' for this one and time has to be given to get the right 11 doing the right things.
Fulham have spent a wee bit, still let in a shit goal and failed to score with forwards being paid relative fortunes?
Some arse will tell me they "can see the plan and look at what they spent" etc?
Still let in the same goal that killed em last season, still could not come back from being behind.
No doubt all will be well because they are Fulham and we will fail because we are Town, that until there is further 'evidence' appears to be the case for the prosecution of our OWN TEAM by out own support???
Some of the posts are very odd and smack of almost self abuse but transferred onto the manager, the right back and a midfielder or two.
We fell apart on and off the pitch a few months ago, time will tell if and how long it takes to get over it. Changing managers and buying more players to join others already here who are not 100,% settled but can't leave is not helping.
Falling out on here or worse at the ground will take us to a level that we have posted on at Leeds and wendies, let's at least not be hypocrites.
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Post by captainblack on Aug 6, 2019 16:39:42 GMT 1
Last night was my first game for quite a while and although I was disappointed by the result I honestly do not think we are a million miles away from being a very competitive outfit.my view is that there is a lot of potential in that Town team , unfortunately we are not playing to our full potential. I think people are forgetting Derby reached the play off finals last year , and I was surprised how ordinary they looked tbh.I do believe it may take another 4/5 games for us to begin to click , but I think we eventually will, we really need a few wins behind us. I can understand everybody's frustration , and certainly our attacking play in the final third needs attention , hopefully this will improve with more game time.I am not going to criticise the players , it is not my style , but with a little more confidence we will start winning games, of that I am positive. i understand the frustration but the abuse of players when in what was a good game just makes me more convinced that some on here are not fit in football terms purpose.this is my last post and for the proper fans all the best I can understand your annoyance but I would hope you would keep posting your opinions , with football as with life there are always going to be people with a negative viewpoint as well as a more positive one . Fans with a more negative attitude do not irritate me in the slightest , sometimes they are proved correct! I would hope you would reflect on your decision , we definitely need "positive" thinking fans voicing their views, especially on this forum  |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 6, 2019 16:53:46 GMT 1
Newcastle lost their first 2 games when they got relegated - their first home game was a 2-1 loss to us. They finished top. Let’s try not to panic just yet. Yes but they had a former Champions League winning manager in charge, we have an inexperienced German 4th division reserve youth coach - there really is no comparison. We are the masters of our own downfall here, and if we're not careful, we could be seeing another Sunderland scenario. |
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Post by willo on Aug 6, 2019 17:13:25 GMT 1
Newcastle lost their first 2 games when they got relegated - their first home game was a 2-1 loss to us. They finished top. Let’s try not to panic just yet. Yes but they had a former Champions League winning manager in charge, we have an inexperienced German 4th division reserve youth coach - there really is no comparison. We are the masters of our own downfall here, and if we're not careful, we could be seeing another Sunderland scenario. Was just about to post. The Geordies had Rafa, we have Jan. Big difference, huge difference. |
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Post by galphamer74 on Aug 6, 2019 17:21:57 GMT 1
I’m bored with supporters like you who are happy accepting shite management both on and off the pitch. Why not go and support Halifax instead?
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Post by galphamer74 on Aug 6, 2019 17:22:07 GMT 1
I’m bored with supporters like you who are happy accepting shite management both on and off the pitch. Why not go and support Halifax instead?
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Aug 6, 2019 18:09:29 GMT 1
Let's face it, a lot of fans have it in for JS before a ball was kicked last night but i suppose he as to shoulder the blame for all the mistakes in the game.
The Dean Hoyle era has ended and some so called Town fans wanted DH to leave along with DW, well you have your wish now this is reality football fans are for life!! not just for the Premiership. It was disappointing last night, same players and one new one were nothing short of woeful for most of the game but we all know who to blame dont we.
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