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Post by zoso on Aug 6, 2019 11:13:51 GMT 1
As far as I`m concerned, we can forget about promotion this season if Mooy goes unless Jan magically brings in a brilliant midfield dynamo. Promotion has already gone imo After 1 game? Wow! |
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Post by Htfc1987 on Aug 6, 2019 11:19:50 GMT 1
As far as I`m concerned, we can forget about promotion this season if Mooy goes unless Jan magically brings in a brilliant midfield dynamo. Promotion has already gone imo ONE GAME 😂😂😂. This site is baffling at times. |
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 6, 2019 11:24:21 GMT 1
Well... where to start, I’ve written this after sleeping on it so my thoughts are clearer. Unfortunately this is why you can’t read too much into pre-season as tonight we looked miles off it. The same issues from the Premiership we saw week in week out were apparent tonight, poor individual mistakes which lead to us chasing the game with little to zero goal threat. Grabara - brave and confident when needed and produced a good save from Waghorn, could of been worse if not for him. Flo - tones of energy nevertheless exposed badly by Lawrence, far too easily skilled by their centre half! And put in what must of been 38 crosses that failed to reach either a dangerous area or one of our men. Elphick - 32 year old centre half with bags of experience in this division, shouldering the ball back to the keeper? Looked like he was running in mud all night. Schindler - looked off it, jaded and slow and sloppy in possession. Battled well as he always does. Kongolo - best centre half in the league, PLAY HIM THERE! Mooy - looked unfit, so sloppy on the ball, one good driven drive from 25 yards and he kicked on a bit then. Bacuna - far too much energy, like an excited child after 10 blue smarties, never looked comfortable running with the ball or picking a pass which lead to derby retaining possession, did well for the penalty. Hogg - his industrious self but was let down by players around him which made him look less affective. Diakhaby - teach him to pass/shoot and he’s £50 million, pace that would scare any defender in the league, however simple pass to Pritchard and it’s 1-0, unfortunately you cannot teach a footballing brain. Pritchard - MOTM for me, miles better on that left hand side cutting in and finding space, albeit not to the degree Lawrence did, encouraging in spells. Grant - confident penalty, never looked like missing. Will score goals at this level but players around need to be better. Kachunga - pointless bringing a player on just because they work hard, a striker should not be putting a chance from 8 yards over and wide as much as he did. Mbenza - some neat touches and passes, didn’t really ever drive at their right back and pen him back, too easy to play against and didn’t look to ever threaten them. Quaner - didn’t have long enough to do anything but foul Keogh, strange bringing Grant off for Quaner when you’re chasing a game. VLP - (an extra note) needed to be on the bench, our most effective winger in the promotion season and arguably the best winger in our debut premier league season, can beat a man and make things happen. I'd agree with every single word of that.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 11:29:44 GMT 1
My honest assessment is we could and should have been a goal up before the cock up.
Diakabhy needs to put that away or square it to Pritch, Alas.
If we had have gone a goal up we may well have tore Derby a new one, We were the better side before the cock up and looked by far the more likely to open the scoring.
Bacuna and Elphick both had first half nightmares.
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Post by irverino on Aug 6, 2019 11:40:55 GMT 1
for the first 25 minutes Elphick was bloody awful. Our midfield went missing, their number 44 having freedom of the pitch. screaming at the team about the gaping hole in midfield has taken its toll on my voicebox this morning. Can we have a plan Jan?. Huddlestone completely bossed midfield with simple accurate passing & intelligent movement, close to been MOM with TM for me......Jan Molby like display. |
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Post by deadleg on Aug 6, 2019 11:49:23 GMT 1
On Mbenza, he seems to have bags of pace but kept drifting in field when he could of got into space to receive the ball and trouble the back line. Any defender would be wary with the pace of Mbenza and Diakhaby but both to me seem to be lacking 'football intelligence.' When they can take up a good position to then attack the full backs they seem to drift inside and mark themselves. Kongolo overlapped time and time again 2nd half last night and Mbenza was doing my head in as he really could have threatened late on. Just wondered if someone could enlighten me if this is poor positional/game knowledge from the player or is Jan coaching them to drift inside and take these positions when we have the ball in the final third as I was going crazy last night at 2-1 down watching it happen in front of me? I don't know if there's now the system/instructions in the mix on top of what was already there, but he and Diakhaby have both been like this from day one. Neither of them seem to have any positional awareness at all either going forward or defensively, even down to knowing where their own marker is. Unless they suddenly improve in that regard (which seems unlikely) I think it's far too risky to start both of them at once even in the Championship. That performance yesterday was Diakhaby's Town career so far in a nutshell really, he's the sort of player who'll absolutely terrify opposing defenders and fans for the first twenty minutes until they realise he doesn't have the awareness or composure to do anything with the situations he gets into. Like an even more extreme Van La Parra. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 6, 2019 11:53:10 GMT 1
Mbenza and Diakhaby haven't got a football brain cell between them. Jan's tactics just simply rely on pace.. nothing else! Clueless.
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Post by artysid on Aug 6, 2019 11:57:25 GMT 1
What worries me is that some of our players do not have it in them to play the way the Manager wants them to. WE don't press fast enough, we don't push forward as a unit with any tempo etc etc.
IMO opinion the Manager needs to either adapt our play to suit our best players or play the players best suited to the high tempo game he wants even if that means dropping some of the more established players.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 12:03:42 GMT 1
for the first 25 minutes Elphick was bloody awful. Our midfield went missing, their number 44 having freedom of the pitch. screaming at the team about the gaping hole in midfield has taken its toll on my voicebox this morning. Can we have a plan Jan?. Huddlestone completely bossed midfield with simple accurate passing & intelligent movement, close to been MOM with TM for me......Jan Molby like display. Bossed everything, that can be the only reason he stayed on. How many cynical fouls did he commit nevermind the deliberate handball and the useless fat fucker with the whistle just let him keep doing it |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 12:05:19 GMT 1
Mbenza and Diakhaby haven't got a football brain cell between them. Jan's tactics just simply rely on pace.. nothing else! Clueless. And VLP apart their other rivals for the shirt are shit |
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Post by irverino on Aug 6, 2019 12:17:57 GMT 1
Huddlestone completely bossed midfield with simple accurate passing & intelligent movement, close to been MOM with TM for me......Jan Molby like display. Bossed everything, that can be the only reason he stayed on. How many cynical fouls did he commit nevermind the deliberate handball and the useless fat fucker with the whistle just let him keep doing it I think the ref forgot his cards, possible total of up to half a dozen yellows not given for both sides, I would of been happy if Hoggy had dished out an early deadleg to TH! |
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Post by Amigo on Aug 6, 2019 12:29:27 GMT 1
Agree with most comments on individual players but very surprised at a lot of comments about Hogg and Pritchard.
Hogg never has a bad game in some people's eyes but he didn't play well at all last night. Every successful pass was 5 yards backwards. Late on he spent 3 full minutes screaming at Kachunga who had the audacity to make a forward run instead of coming towards Hogg despite already only being 10 yards away.
Pritchard as usual constantly gave the ball away and made sure Kongolo rarely had an option wide. If he's going to play then play him in the middle because he plays there anyway.
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Post by ACW on Aug 6, 2019 12:39:33 GMT 1
Promotion has already gone imo ONE GAME 😂😂😂. This site is baffling at times. A few years ago Norwich lost 1-7 at home - to Colchester I think - and sacked the manager. They went up as Champions that season. An extreme example I know, but it just goes to show nothing is decided after one game, no matter how poor the performance/result. For what it's worth, I think we have some very real problems at the moment in terms of personnel and tactics, but there is plenty of time to put it right. Only time will tell if we are able to do so, but now is not the time for panicking. |
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Post by Amigo on Aug 6, 2019 12:44:25 GMT 1
ONE GAME 😂😂😂. This site is baffling at times. A few years ago Norwich lost 1-7 at home - to Colchester I think - and sacked the manager. They went up as Champions that season. An extreme example I know, but it just goes to show nothing is decided after one game, no matter how poor the performance/result. For what it's worth, I think we have some very real problems at the moment in terms of personnel and tactics, but there is plenty of time to put it right. Only time will tell if we are able to do so, but now is not the time for panicking. So you're saying we just need to sack Siewart now and then we're up? OK I'm sold let's do it 😉 |
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Post by ACW on Aug 6, 2019 12:44:26 GMT 1
My honest assessment is we could and should have been a goal up before the cock up. Diakabhy needs to put that away or square it to Pritch, Alas. If we had have gone a goal up we may well have tore Derby a new one, We were the better side before the cock up and looked by far the more likely to open the scoring. Bacuna and Elphick both had first half nightmares. At the time Elphick made his cock up we were definitely on top. But for the first 15 mins we were all over the place both in and out of possession. Derby bossed the first quarter of an hour, and then we got a foothold on the game, only to hand the initiative - and the game - back to them. That single mistake completely changed the game - one where we'd started poorly, but slowly started to get control. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 6, 2019 12:45:59 GMT 1
ONE GAME 😂😂😂. This site is baffling at times. A few years ago Norwich lost 1-7 at home - to Colchester I think - and sacked the manager. They went up as Champions that season. An extreme example I know, but it just goes to show nothing is decided after one game, no matter how poor the performance/result. For what it's worth, I think we have some very real problems at the moment in terms of personnel and tactics, but there is plenty of time to put it right. Only time will tell if we are able to do so, but now is not the time for panicking. Pretty sure Norwich replaced him with Lambert, Colchester’s manager. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 6, 2019 12:47:47 GMT 1
A few years ago Norwich lost 1-7 at home - to Colchester I think - and sacked the manager. They went up as Champions that season. An extreme example I know, but it just goes to show nothing is decided after one game, no matter how poor the performance/result. For what it's worth, I think we have some very real problems at the moment in terms of personnel and tactics, but there is plenty of time to put it right. Only time will tell if we are able to do so, but now is not the time for panicking. Pretty sure Norwich replaced him with Lambert, Colchester’s manager. I think they did. Bryan Gunn was the manager sacked at Norwich I believe. I would never recommend Town appointing Lambert though! |
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Post by ACW on Aug 6, 2019 12:50:27 GMT 1
A few years ago Norwich lost 1-7 at home - to Colchester I think - and sacked the manager. They went up as Champions that season. An extreme example I know, but it just goes to show nothing is decided after one game, no matter how poor the performance/result. For what it's worth, I think we have some very real problems at the moment in terms of personnel and tactics, but there is plenty of time to put it right. Only time will tell if we are able to do so, but now is not the time for panicking. So you're saying we just need to sack Siewart now and then we're up? OK I'm sold let's do it 😉 My example probably wasn't the best, considering I'm not advocating sacking the manager. My point was that teams can recover from poor starts. Didn't Norwich have a poor start last season? And Fulham had a slow start the year they went up. |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Aug 6, 2019 13:02:10 GMT 1
Thought Kongolo and Pritchard had poor games and Schindler, Mooy and Flo were our best players personally, funny how we see things differently. You're having a giraffe surely? Pritchard was by far the best player we had last night. Admittedly that's like winning the Miss Dewsbury competition.Cheered me up that. |
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Post by Mav on Aug 6, 2019 13:07:25 GMT 1
ONE GAME 😂😂😂. This site is baffling at times. A few years ago Norwich lost 1-7 at home - to Colchester I think - and sacked the manager. They went up as Champions that season. An extreme example I know, but it just goes to show nothing is decided after one game, no matter how poor the performance/result. For what it's worth, I think we have some very real problems at the moment in terms of personnel and tactics, but there is plenty of time to put it right. Only time will tell if we are able to do so, but now is not the time for panicking. Was thinking the very same thing this morning Andy whilst walking the dog. I agree, no need to panic. I think most people’s frustrations are to do with us not progressing, things don’t ‘feel’ right at the moment. My personal view is that Jan can’t quite cut it at this level and will be gone before we are 10 games in. Hope I’m wrong. Finally, QPR are a decent outfit, so Saturday will be another tough test. Cheers .... UTFT. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 6, 2019 13:13:14 GMT 1
A few years ago Norwich lost 1-7 at home - to Colchester I think - and sacked the manager. They went up as Champions that season. An extreme example I know, but it just goes to show nothing is decided after one game, no matter how poor the performance/result. For what it's worth, I think we have some very real problems at the moment in terms of personnel and tactics, but there is plenty of time to put it right. Only time will tell if we are able to do so, but now is not the time for panicking. Was thinking the very same thing this morning Andy whilst walking the dog. I agree, no need to panic. I think most people’s frustrations are to do with us not progressing, things don’t ‘feel’ right at the moment. My personal view is that Jan can’t quite cut it at this level and will be gone before we are 10 games in. Hope I’m wrong. Finally, QPR are a decent outfit, so Saturday will be another tough test. Cheers .... UTFT. Agree regarding the bad 'feeling' surrounding the club. A few decent results can change that, but QPR away will be a tough test. Isn't Warburton their manager now? Did a very good job at Brentford. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 6, 2019 13:18:07 GMT 1
It wasn't a bad performance for the first game of the season, but Derby were on fire and had something to prove...but there again, so did we, and we could have been a lot better. For me the team looked liked they'd hardly played together, badly disjointed. Pre-season should have been about identifying the first team and getting them to gel. Jan's a good trainer of youngsters but not convinced that he can manage a whole team effectively. Perhaps his very experienced new assistant was brought in to take over when Phil sacks Jan in the next few weeks, who knows.
Early days, but I think we need to splash out on Hughton, a highly respected and proven manager. If we don't then someone else will grab him soon.
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Post by willo on Aug 6, 2019 13:22:55 GMT 1
Was thinking the very same thing this morning Andy whilst walking the dog. I agree, no need to panic. I think most people’s frustrations are to do with us not progressing, things don’t ‘feel’ right at the moment. My personal view is that Jan can’t quite cut it at this level and will be gone before we are 10 games in. Hope I’m wrong. Finally, QPR are a decent outfit, so Saturday will be another tough test. Cheers .... UTFT. Agree regarding the bad 'feeling' surrounding the club. A few decent results can change that, but QPR away will be a tough test. Isn't Warburton their manager now? Did a very good job at Brentford. QPR home or away I would have been extremely confident about picking points up from not so long back but not presently. Warburton has made wholesale changes to the squad since coming in & it’ll be a tough game. Thinking we might scrape a draw...possibly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:23:02 GMT 1
What worries me is that some of our players do not have it in them to play the way the Manager wants them to. WE don't press fast enough, we don't push forward as a unit with any tempo etc etc. IMO opinion the Manager needs to either adapt our play to suit our best players or play the players best suited to the high tempo game he wants even if that means dropping some of the more established players. You think this manager is going to change the way he wants to play? You’re having a laugh aren’t you. It will be his way or no way and that’s his downfall |
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Post by willo on Aug 6, 2019 13:24:24 GMT 1
It wasn't a bad performance for the first game of the season, but Derby were on fire and had something to prove...but there again, so did we, and we could have been a lot better. For me the team looked liked they'd hardly played together, badly disjointed. Pre-season should have been about identifying the first team and getting them to gel. Jan's a good trainer of youngsters but not convinced that he can manage a whole team effectively. Perhaps his very experienced new assistant was brought in to take over when Phil sacks Jan in the next few weeks, who knows.
Early days, but I think we need to splash out on Hughton, a highly respected and proven manager. If we don't then someone else will grab him soon.
Would love us to go get Hughton but can’t see him wanting to come, more’s the pity. |
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Post by johnnyx on Aug 6, 2019 13:37:39 GMT 1
My very thoughts. I remember Dean once saying that they paid Wagner over and above firstly to keep him and secondly that he recognized that the manager was the most important member of staff at a club. He couldn't understand why they didn't get anything like the salary of the players at most clubs.
Houghton is proven, i think he would be a fantastic fit and might be wiling to come if we gave him a 5 year deal.
Siewert has not shown anything to make me think he is anything other than way out of his depth. its a matter of time before he goes so why waste any more time and money.
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Post by Amigo on Aug 6, 2019 13:38:35 GMT 1
So you're saying we just need to sack Siewart now and then we're up? OK I'm sold let's do it 😉 My example probably wasn't the best, considering I'm not advocating sacking the manager. My point was that teams can recover from poor starts. Didn't Norwich have a poor start last season? And Fulham had a slow start the year they went up. I'm not either, not yet anyway. Yeah I think Norwich lost 3 or 4 of their first 5 last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:47:17 GMT 1
Yes i know it's only one game
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I'm still revising my opinion that Town will finish bottom half of this league and Leeds to do the double over us.
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Post by E4b on Aug 6, 2019 13:49:39 GMT 1
Thought Kongolo and Pritchard had poor games and Schindler, Mooy and Flo were our best players personally, funny how we see things differently. Might need a trip to specsavers! Watch the match again on sky and in particular Pritchard’s involvement. He was our one footballer last night! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 6, 2019 13:57:41 GMT 1
What worries me is that some of our players do not have it in them to play the way the Manager wants them to. WE don't press fast enough, we don't push forward as a unit with any tempo etc etc. IMO opinion the Manager needs to either adapt our play to suit our best players or play the players best suited to the high tempo game he wants even if that means dropping some of the more established players. Said it before the squad is not suited to 433, it's more of a 442 squad or a variation on that. The midfield weren't compact enough meaning Derby moved through us pretty easily leaving the defence exposed and the 3 strikers not pressing quickly enough. Either the players don't understand their roles in 433 or Seiwert doesn't know how to use the formation effectively. I'm not sure which is it is. |
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