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Post by bogart on Aug 9, 2019 15:38:47 GMT 1
The mood of the club is the lowest it has been in over a decade. How old are you? |
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Post by bogart on Aug 9, 2019 15:43:43 GMT 1
I think some people are getting carried away. Mooy wanted to go...its life. Last season everyone was saying Billing was our best player but when he wanted to go most were pleased. Storm in a tea cup. We go on. Dean and Phil said right from the off there would not be loads of high profile and high cost signings. Its Seans twitter account...not a club statement. He is not only right... he is free to say this. My only concern is Seans font size...he must have terribly poor eyesight  My thoughts exactly he should have gone to Specsavers. |
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Post by bogart on Aug 9, 2019 15:46:00 GMT 1
Well, Brighton's interest was registered only with the 5pm Thursday deadline looming - so that's simply a timing thing. Is there any proof of this fact? |
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Post by bogart on Aug 9, 2019 15:47:29 GMT 1
So he has gone so let us move on, the club is bigger than any player.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 9, 2019 17:38:06 GMT 1
I think Town fans understand that good players go - weāve all seen that in our times as fans Thatās not the point - the issue this time is there has been no meaningful effort to replace smith, loewe then billing and latterly mooy with championship ready quality When booth left we signed morrison, Payton and Stewart on the same day When Stewart left we signed hay, Holland and smith on the same day When Rhodes left we got beckford on loan Thats exactly the point really. Doubt anyone is surprised at all that players have gone, particularly our better ones. But the lack of proven replacements.. ie players who you KNOW can produce at our level to replace them is what fans are extremely disappointed about. We're shopping in the bargain bucket again for some reason, like we always used to. We were assured there was a contingency plan for Mooy leaving late in the window ( which they must have known was a big possibility ). I can't believe that plan was a young kid on loan who plays in a different position ( thats not a criticism of Trevoh at all ). |
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 9, 2019 17:49:47 GMT 1
I think Town fans understand that good players go - weāve all seen that in our times as fans Thatās not the point - the issue this time is there has been no meaningful effort to replace smith, loewe then billing and latterly mooy with championship ready quality When booth left we signed morrison, Payton and Stewart on the same day When Stewart left we signed hay, Holland and smith on the same day When Rhodes left we got beckford on loan Thats exactly the point really. Doubt anyone is surprised at all that players have gone, particularly our better ones. But the lack of proven replacements.. ie players who you KNOW can produce at our level to replace them is what fans are extremely disappointed about. We're shopping in the bargain bucket again for some reason, like we always used to. We were assured there was a contingency plan for Mooy leaving late in the window ( which they must have known was a big possibility ). I can't believe that plan was a young kid on loan who plays in a different position ( thats not a criticism of Trevoh at all ). I think Chalobah fits the system Siewart wants to play better than Mooy. |
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Post by yappledapple on Aug 9, 2019 17:58:18 GMT 1
I think Town fans understand that good players go - weāve all seen that in our times as fans Thatās not the point - the issue this time is there has been no meaningful effort to replace smith, loewe then billing and latterly mooy with championship ready quality When booth left we signed morrison, Payton and Stewart on the same day When Stewart left we signed hay, Holland and smith on the same day When Rhodes left we got beckford on loan Thats exactly the point really. Doubt anyone is surprised at all that players have gone, particularly our better ones. But the lack of proven replacements.. ie players who you KNOW can produce at our level to replace them is what fans are extremely disappointed about. We're shopping in the bargain bucket again for some reason, like we always used to. We were assured there was a contingency plan for Mooy leaving late in the window ( which they must have known was a big possibility ). I can't believe that plan was a young kid on loan who plays in a different position ( thats not a criticism of Trevoh at all ). Iām sure that PH said at the Q&A that if we lost any of the key players that they had a plan to replace but it may not be immediately but in January. That was my interpretation but as usual I may have misunderstood the sentiment. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Aug 9, 2019 18:13:41 GMT 1
Well, Brighton's interest was registered only with the 5pm Thursday deadline looming - so that's simply a timing thing. Is there any proof of this fact? Clearly, or it wouldnāt be a fact ;-) If you arenāt going to trust at least some info that comes out of the club then you might as well not bother reading it in the first place. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 9, 2019 19:48:11 GMT 1
I think Town fans understand that good players go - weāve all seen that in our times as fans Thatās not the point - the issue this time is there has been no meaningful effort to replace smith, loewe then billing and latterly mooy with championship ready quality When booth left we signed morrison, Payton and Stewart on the same day When Stewart left we signed hay, Holland and smith on the same day When Rhodes left we got beckford on loan "When Stewart left we signed Hay, Holland and Smith on the same day" Wish we fuckin' hadn't. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 9, 2019 20:45:20 GMT 1
Thats exactly the point really. Doubt anyone is surprised at all that players have gone, particularly our better ones. But the lack of proven replacements.. ie players who you KNOW can produce at our level to replace them is what fans are extremely disappointed about. We're shopping in the bargain bucket again for some reason, like we always used to. We were assured there was a contingency plan for Mooy leaving late in the window ( which they must have known was a big possibility ). I can't believe that plan was a young kid on loan who plays in a different position ( thats not a criticism of Trevoh at all ). I think Chalobah fits the system Siewart wants to play better than Mooy. So, to summarise, a kid who was relegated with Ipswich out of this league last season fits Siewert's chosen system better than a guy who is the best player we've had in a generation (possibly of all time), who was a key player in our club being promoted to and staying in the Premier League and is a seasoned international who played in the last World Cup? I'd suggest that either Siewert or the system, maybe both, are the problem here. I'm not saying we could have kept Mooy but the blasƩ way that some of our fans have accepted him leaving astounds me. |
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Post by hkterrier on Aug 9, 2019 22:27:41 GMT 1
Thank you for that. The sound was by and large poor as you said which was a shame. Some good points raised. Would Flo have been one of the naughty seven? If so how has he redeemed himself back into the first team? I can handle players leaving, we knew there would be departures. However where are the incomings for decent championship season? Isnāt the Championship an attrition of a league campaign where you need a squad of players. In my opinion the current squad lacks depth to mount any serious challenge to top 6. I hope that I am wrong and that the junior members of the squad such as Oābrian and Edmondsās- Green can step into the first team set up for departures of Mooy, Zanka, Biling etc. UTT Seanās comments were probably made after a barrage of abuse and questions at him. As he rightly said itās probably not his remit to answer those āteamā issues, maybe he was compelled to do so because of commercial partners also questioning for a club response. Frankly speaking, weāve been waiting for a second interview from our new chairman for how long now? It seems that fans are being taken for granted at the moment and communication to us isnāt what it should be from either the head honcho or his immediate lieutenant, both of whom had promised we had signings lined up. Thanks Sean for the effort, donāt be despondent from the mindless abuse given from others. We do as a fan base deserve to be treated as customers and not mushrooms from those at the head seats. There was a great q&a session with PH a few weeks back. Not good quality but must be on YouTube somewhere. Quite enlightening. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 9, 2019 22:59:54 GMT 1
I think Chalobah fits the system Siewart wants to play better than Mooy. So, to summarise, a kid who was relegated with Ipswich out of this league last season fits Siewert's chosen system better than a guy who is the best player we've had in a generation (possibly of all time), who was a key player in our club being promoted to and staying in the Premier League and is a seasoned international who played in the last World Cup? I'd suggest that either Siewert or the system, maybe both, are the problem here. I'm not saying we could have kept Mooy but the blasƩ way that some of our fans have accepted him leaving astounds me. I thought one of the main reasons we appointed Sievert was that he was seen as a manager who would buy into and continue the ethos, style and systems we'd so successfully developed under Wagner? His own man, and all that, but fundamentally a continuation of what we had? If hes now changed the style and system to the extent that our best player didn;t fit in it anymore, then something must have gone wrong somewhere. He seems very different to wagner to me, both in his managerial style and personality, and in how he wants his team to play. |
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Post by froggyterrier on Aug 11, 2019 12:45:49 GMT 1
The mood of the club is the lowest it has been in over a decade. How old are you? How old are you? |
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Post by conman on Aug 11, 2019 14:11:47 GMT 1
The "How old are you" standoff is into its second hour.. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 11, 2019 15:40:57 GMT 1
Don't speak for the club or for me please. I have been there on many, many occasions when we were going nowhere or worse in Lower divisions with about 3 Bob to run the club. We are going through a difficult period and hysterical reactions are unhelpful, abuse pretending to be 'passion' is juvenile. I assume the club is looking long and hard at the manager and the present situation and does not need the reams of 'advice' it seems some wish to give them. The board and the manager will be the same as me and you and will have varying sizes of 'ego' and clearly being abused or 'advised' by people with no experience often gets a reaction totally opposite to the one the 'advisors' hoped for. The idea that anyone on here is telling them anything they don't fully appreciate or have not thought of is fucking ludicrous and a little strange. The idea they don't want to win games more than the support is even more odd, our 'job/career' is not under threat or in danger of going tits up? We are all worried, disappointed and want better so toning down the critique and dropping the silly abuse might help because continuing it fucking won't? |
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Post by froggyterrier on Aug 12, 2019 18:58:57 GMT 1
Don't speak for the club or for me please. I have been there on many, many occasions when we were going nowhere or worse in Lower divisions with about 3 Bob to run the club. We are going through a difficult period and hysterical reactions are unhelpful, abuse pretending to be 'passion' is juvenile. I assume the club is looking long and hard at the manager and the present situation and does not need the reams of 'advice' it seems some wish to give them. The board and the manager will be the same as me and you and will have varying sizes of 'ego' and clearly being abused or 'advised' by people with no experience often gets a reaction totally opposite to the one the 'advisors' hoped for. The idea that anyone on here is telling them anything they don't fully appreciate or have not thought of is fucking ludicrous and a little strange. The idea they don't want to win games more than the support is even more odd, our 'job/career' is not under threat or in danger of going tits up? We are all worried, disappointed and want better so toning down the critique and dropping the silly abuse might help because continuing it fucking won't? What silly abuse EXACTLY are you referring to here? Please quote my posts for accuracy. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Aug 13, 2019 15:21:03 GMT 1
The "How old are you" standoff is into its second hour.. Froggy's sent his manservant round to bogie's to offer 'birth certificates at dawn'. |
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Post by tvor on Aug 13, 2019 18:27:25 GMT 1
I think some people are getting carried away. Mooy wanted to go...its life. Last season everyone was saying Billing was our best player but when he wanted to go most were pleased. Storm in a tea cup. We go on. Dean and Phil said right from the off there would not be loads of high profile and high cost signings. Its Seans twitter account...not a club statement. He is not only right... he is free to say this. My only concern is Seans font size...he must have terribly poor eyesight My thoughts exactly he should have gone to Specsavers. Either that or heās thinking about the āaverageā DATM poster and their cataracts. Smiley, winky face. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 13, 2019 18:42:24 GMT 1
So, to summarise, a kid who was relegated with Ipswich out of this league last season fits Siewert's chosen system better than a guy who is the best player we've had in a generation (possibly of all time), who was a key player in our club being promoted to and staying in the Premier League and is a seasoned international who played in the last World Cup? I'd suggest that either Siewert or the system, maybe both, are the problem here. I'm not saying we could have kept Mooy but the blasĆ© way that some of our fans have accepted him leaving astounds me. I thought one of the main reasons we appointed Sievert was that he was seen as a manager who would buy into and continue the ethos, style and systems we'd so successfully developed under Wagner? His own man, and all that, but fundamentally a continuation of what we had? If hes now changed the style and system to the extent that our best player didn;t fit in it anymore, then something must have gone wrong somewhere. He seems very different to wagner to me, both in his managerial style and personality, and in how he wants his team to play. As I remember it everyone was crying out for a more positive, and expansive style of play with moving the ball forward more quickly a priority. To be fair to Jan thatās what he said he wanted to do and what has happened. Donāt recall any talk of continuing the gegenpress philosophy but might have missed something.... |
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