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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Aug 13, 2019 22:27:06 GMT 1
I never miss home matches but won't be attending on Friday or until this clueless fucker has gone
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Post by royrace on Aug 13, 2019 22:32:10 GMT 1
I never miss home matches but won't be attending on Friday or until this clueless fucker has gone It’s getting to that stage already which is crazy, I couldn’t face tonight and Friday feels like it will be very unpleasant yet again if nothing has changed.
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Post by ben1987 on Aug 13, 2019 22:34:52 GMT 1
I hate sacking managers, I always want town to be loyal and stick by them but it’s such an important time for us that I just don’t see how keeping Jan is going to benefit anyone. He’s fast becoming the most feckless manager in my lifetime. Fans are turning quick and it’s becoming toxic. The comradeship, the unity, the togetherness we all as a fan base and club had has gone. We are completely rudderless on the field, the players look like they don’t want to be here and now the fans don’t want to either. I’m not one to call for a manager to be sacked or to call him a useless c*** like some of our knuckle draggers have but now the time to start making a change before this season gets out of hand. We’ve had less wins in the last 12 months than ted chips has hairs on his head, that’s how bad it is result wise, we can’t allow that trend to continue. We need wins or fans will just turn away in large numbers and we will be back to the old days of half empty stadia and soulless match days.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 13, 2019 22:37:10 GMT 1
I hate sacking managers, I always want town to be loyal and stick by them but it’s such an important time for us that I just don’t see how keeping Jan is going to benefit anyone. He’s fast becoming the most feckless manager in my lifetime. Fans are turning quick and it’s becoming toxic. The comradeship, the unity, the togetherness we all as a fan base and club had has gone. We are completely rudderless on the field, the players look like they don’t want to be here and now the fans don’t want to either. I’m not one to call for a manager to be sacked or to call him a useless c*** like some of our knuckle draggers have but now the time to start making a change before this season gets out of hand. We’ve had less wins in the last 12 months than ted chips has hairs on his head, that’s how bad it is result wise, we can’t allow that trend to continue. We need wins or fans will just turn away in large numbers and we will be back to the old days of half empty stadia and soulless match days. You sang as many songs on that crowd video the other night than we've had wins all this season , for that reason I agree
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Post by harrythedog on Aug 13, 2019 22:37:52 GMT 1
I never miss home matches but won't be attending on Friday or until this clueless fucker has gone Me neither. He’s been out of his depth since day one and has sucked any joy that was left out of that day in May two years ago.
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Post by ben1987 on Aug 13, 2019 22:38:09 GMT 1
I hate sacking managers, I always want town to be loyal and stick by them but it’s such an important time for us that I just don’t see how keeping Jan is going to benefit anyone. He’s fast becoming the most feckless manager in my lifetime. Fans are turning quick and it’s becoming toxic. The comradeship, the unity, the togetherness we all as a fan base and club had has gone. We are completely rudderless on the field, the players look like they don’t want to be here and now the fans don’t want to either. I’m not one to call for a manager to be sacked or to call him a useless c*** like some of our knuckle draggers have but now the time to start making a change before this season gets out of hand. We’ve had less wins in the last 12 months than ted chips has hairs on his head, that’s how bad it is result wise, we can’t allow that trend to continue. We need wins or fans will just turn away in large numbers and we will be back to the old days of half empty stadia and soulless match days. You sang as many songs on that crowd video the other night than we've had wins all this season , for that reason I agree 1-1 dickhead
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Post by brighousebandbred on Aug 13, 2019 22:40:17 GMT 1
I hate sacking managers, I always want town to be loyal and stick by them but it’s such an important time for us that I just don’t see how keeping Jan is going to benefit anyone. He’s fast becoming the most feckless manager in my lifetime. Fans are turning quick and it’s becoming toxic. The comradeship, the unity, the togetherness we all as a fan base and club had has gone. We are completely rudderless on the field, the players look like they don’t want to be here and now the fans don’t want to either. I’m not one to call for a manager to be sacked or to call him a useless c*** like some of our knuckle draggers have but now the time to start making a change before this season gets out of hand. We’ve had less wins in the last 12 months than ted chips has hairs on his head, that’s how bad it is result wise, we can’t allow that trend to continue. We need wins or fans will just turn away in large numbers and we will be back to the old days of half empty stadia and soulless match days. Got to say I really wanted to give this bloke a chance. But we really do look rudderless, the players are not with him you can just tell. A new manager is looking a must and I’ve changed my mind very quickly on giving this bloke a chance, for the simple reason we don’t look like we have a bloody clue what to do on the pitch.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 13, 2019 22:40:33 GMT 1
You sang as many songs on that crowd video the other night than we've had wins all this season , for that reason I agree 1-1 dickhead AND ITS H ................ Sorry lads I can't be arsed someone switch the video off
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 13, 2019 22:43:25 GMT 1
AND ITS H ................ Sorry lads I can't be arsed someone switch the video off Late winner
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 13, 2019 22:49:31 GMT 1
Siewert was a lazy, cheap and utterly shit appointment. He should have been given his cards after the Southampton game at the end of last season. Instead we had to listen to Skint Phil's "he's my man, he's here for three windows" fucking bullshit. Get them both out. Exactly Do the right thing put the club up for sale or let Dean come back in on his white steed ! if you are a true fan of 35 years what is best for Town and not your massive ego ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 22:54:34 GMT 1
I never miss home matches but won't be attending on Friday or until this clueless fucker has gone what ever happens how imature you are
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Aug 14, 2019 5:21:34 GMT 1
Whilst in favour of a complete change in the dugout now as theres still almost a season left to change mentality and outlook.. I do feel uneasy about how few others appear accountable for this mess. Winter, Hoyle, Pauper Phil, Wagners later signjngs, they and maybe others..you cant blame Jan for accepting a job offer..Starting to think he'll be hung out to dry by Winter and Phil soon and theres a real toxic dirty feel to it. Wonder if the Lincoln manager would come?
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Post by froggyterrier on Aug 14, 2019 6:19:05 GMT 1
He has to go now.
Every game Jan's still here is another game gone and the chances of any kind of positive end to the season steadily going with them.
Players don't like him. We don't like him. He's tactically poor. His starting 11s and benches are poorly chosen. He can't make a decent substitution to effect the game.
Let's just sack him now, give Hudson a run at it until we've found a suitable replacement and stick with Mark until one becomes available.
But Jan Seiwert needs to be removed from his position immediately. Nobody likes sacking people. However, when it has to be done, it has to be done.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Aug 14, 2019 6:20:07 GMT 1
I never miss home matches but won't be attending on Friday or until this clueless fucker has gone what ever happens how imature you are Anorak, last night was like watching a team of Ainsley Harriotts trying to play football. Positive? We can only wish this chap had that in his vocabulary.
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Post by yorkie1 on Aug 14, 2019 6:31:03 GMT 1
Tell me one positive thing about this man? I see nothing and no reason to persist. We have good players but he cannot get a tune out of them and they look confused and unmotivated. He deserves a chance but he’s had it.
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Post by tommythacks on Aug 14, 2019 6:37:41 GMT 1
Think those predicting we’re on course for relegation are wide of the mark. We have a spine of good players and we’ll pick up points. Jan’s not got a tune out of them in half a season though and our ambition should be much much higher
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Post by loumacari on Aug 14, 2019 6:42:23 GMT 1
Think those predicting we’re on course for relegation are wide of the mark. We have a spine of good players and we’ll pick up points. Jan’s not got a tune out of them in half a season though and our ambition should be much much higher I’m sure Sunderland fans said the same. Just as fans of other teams said we’d drop away in our promotion season. Momentum is massive in football and even without Siewert it was obvious this year would be a challenge. Relying on an inexperienced and incapable manager to turn this around is naive and unrealistic,
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Post by dugnet on Aug 14, 2019 6:59:44 GMT 1
I think most would agree Siewert has been dealt a tough hand but it's his tactics and motivational skills that are questionable. To send a team out with a complete lack of coherence and a shape that didn't work is his fault. Sadly 2 out of 3 games this season we have looked all at sea.
The players are going to lose confidence completely if this continues.
It's never nice to see someone lose their job but the evidence suggests that this is unlikely to improve radically.
He seems to think we all expect to return to the Premier League. Although we are disappointed that we don't look likely to achieve that, or even threaten it, we expect better footballing fundamentals.
What is it going to take before the penny will drop that Siewert isn't ready for this challenge right now. We can't afford to wait in the hope he improves sufficiently.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Aug 14, 2019 7:08:38 GMT 1
I'm really not sure on what the best course of action is.
We all know Jan has been given a shit hand. Walking into the club last season it would have taken a monumental effort to come out with any shining light. This season he has been an already dead man walking. I feel for him I really do. I genuinely really want him to succeed. He's young, hungry and wants it. If we as a club had agreed to bring him in the summer and had a caretaker (we were going down anyway), I'm not so sure he would get the pelters he receives now.
BUT, on the other hand, he has had time to try and change it about. Maybe thats what PH meant by the 3 windows to get it right, JS adamant to stick with the 433 approach but it will take him time to get the players in to suit that system. Has he been backed? Far from it. Arguably 4 of the best 5/6 players we had now gone: Mooy, Billing, Zanka, Lossl.
My heart says give him time, head says unfortunately got to bite the bullet. I like him, I don't get the arrogance argument, I believe he's an all round positive guy. This morning training session may be fruitful.
If the players want him at the club, they're going to have to step up and show it though.
Didn't Daniel Farke get dogs abuse when he first started at Norwich?
It's a tough decision to make. But somewhat seemingly easy. We don't know whats really happening behind the scenes...
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Post by galphamer74 on Aug 14, 2019 7:11:07 GMT 1
I felt some sympathy with him when Ogden was asking if he feared the sack. He clearly cares. Unfortunately he has shown no evidence of creating a pattern of play or a team identity. After 6 or 7 months in charge that is a massive worry.
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 14, 2019 7:33:38 GMT 1
If (when) Jan goes, who do we turn to next? Which route do we take?
Massive, massive decisions for our new owner.
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Post by Rambo on Aug 14, 2019 7:34:06 GMT 1
I felt some sympathy with him when Ogden was asking if he feared the sack. He clearly cares. Unfortunately he has shown no evidence of creating a pattern of play or a team identity. After 6 or 7 months in charge that is a massive worry. This is the difference between JS and Daniel Farke when people are suggesting similarities about abuse they are/were getting.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 14, 2019 7:36:21 GMT 1
Whilst in favour of a complete change in the dugout now as theres still almost a season left to change mentality and outlook.. I do feel uneasy about how few others appear accountable for this mess. Winter, Hoyle, Pauper Phil, Wagners later signjngs, they and maybe others..you cant blame Jan for accepting a job offer..Starting to think he'll be hung out to dry by Winter and Phil soon and theres a real toxic dirty feel to it. Wonder if the Lincoln manager would come? Exactly my feelings although I also feel for PH in this situation. He’s clearly trying to do the right thing and back him at least with words. Say what you like about the transfer window. I don’t think it was down to asset stripping. I just think it was awful recruitment planning. The real damage has been done by his selection as manager which you’d think Hoyle had a strong influence in despite illness and the likes of Winter and the other failed football side management appointments. The club needs a clear out. Maybe PH is the man to do that.
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Post by drfootball on Aug 14, 2019 7:53:51 GMT 1
Only just listened to the post match interview and like a previous poster (think was Chips) I feel almost sorry for him , Oggy got into his ribs a bit but JS sounds shell shocked. Clearly frustrated that he’s been given so little funding. Still think he should go but in truth feel he’s only part of the reason we struggling.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 14, 2019 7:59:35 GMT 1
Only just listened to the post match interview and like a previous poster (think was Chips) I feel almost sorry for him , Oggy got into his ribs a bit but JS sounds shell shocked. Clearly frustrated that he’s been given so little funding. Still think he should go but in truth feel he’s only part of the reason we struggling. reminds me of the Hockaday farce down at the skip. Potentially up and coming manager walks into club and is totally out of his depth. Do i feel sorry for Siewert? Yes but he can moan about lack of funds all he wants just look at the players he had when he took over. None of them appeared to want to play for him.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 14, 2019 8:04:00 GMT 1
I think most would agree Siewert has been dealt a tough hand but it's his tactics and motivational skills that are questionable. To send a team out with a complete lack of coherence and a shape that didn't work is his fault. Sadly 2 out of 3 games this season we have looked all at sea. The players are going to lose confidence completely if this continues. It's never nice to see someone lose their job but the evidence suggests that this is unlikely to improve radically. He seems to think we all expect to return to the Premier League. Although we are disappointed that we don't look likely to achieve that, or even threaten it, we expect better footballing fundamentals. What is it going to take before the penny will drop that Siewert isn't ready for this challenge right now. We can't afford to wait in the hope he improves sufficiently. I would argue they already have. The body language during games is hugely telling. Players look totally lost.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 14, 2019 8:08:42 GMT 1
And what the hell does Colin Bell do apart drive his big blue audi Q3 cdi
He must take blame aswel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 8:10:12 GMT 1
And what the hell does Colin Bell do apart drive his big blue audi Q3 cdi He must take blame aswel. You’d expect to see something a little different with the influence of a new coach as you would a manager..... but nothing from either.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 14, 2019 8:10:17 GMT 1
Only just listened to the post match interview and like a previous poster (think was Chips) I feel almost sorry for him , Oggy got into his ribs a bit but JS sounds shell shocked. Clearly frustrated that he’s been given so little funding. Still think he should go but in truth feel he’s only part of the reason we struggling. I agree, im so angry but the bloke Seems Bewildered, like a rabbit in headlights !
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 14, 2019 8:18:04 GMT 1
He has to go ..
NOW..
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