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Post by VLP Fan Club on Aug 15, 2019 15:17:36 GMT 1
Jan went straight up to vlp after final whistle on tuesday and gave him a cuddle. I think he will start him. It's hard to tell, wasn't RVLP being a dick on social media just last Saturday because he wasn't included at QPR, depends how his manager viewed that. Not really a dick no, just stated he was fit and wasn't being picked in relation to someone asking if he was injured, didn't slag Jan or the club off.
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Post by stanton1969 on Aug 15, 2019 15:44:49 GMT 1
Just had a quick look at the press conference.
Any one of us on here could have answered all of those questions.
He comes across as a smoke-screener. No substance in anything he says. So much so I just found him irritating.
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Post by yoy on Aug 15, 2019 15:55:37 GMT 1
The team was largely made up of players who had the opportunity to stake a claim. I very much doubt that any of them actively sabotaged their own chances in order to oust one guy. Think only the bench proving fitness could in any way affect the 11 for Friday. Bench for the new lad and mbenza and hopefully Bacuna. Probably right, and whilst the season is longer than Friday’s match they may feel that Jan’s season is not. I still find it hard to believe that as a youngster, finding your feet you’d do anything but work your nuts off to prove a point. Seasoned pros may try and get a manager sacked - for youth players I just can’t see it. Either way, whether they intended to or not. Doesn’t sound as if anyone lay down a marker.
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Post by royrace on Aug 15, 2019 15:58:56 GMT 1
I don't get why folk expect the Chairman to speak out, They never used to do, Do they really need to ? JS is going nowhere yet. Pretty sad if we sack a bloke for cracking the whip and upsetting a few players after some half arsed performances last season. This season we have lost to last years losing play off finalists, Drew away at QPR (been 4 times myself and never seen us win) and lost with the kids in a cup comp we seem to have wimped out of for many a year. No change from the norm there,, Once Wagner went we were always more likely to revert to our last 50 year norm,, A water treading 2nd tier side with little brass, Or the bigger fish in a smaller pond 3rd tier side. You're absolutely right on paper it doesn't look too bad at all. It's not that simple though. People have been burying their heads in the sand since the beginning of the year, some are happy to continue, others not. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by Melc on Aug 15, 2019 16:15:07 GMT 1
Well if the players want him out I just don’t see a win coming anytime soon as they now know he is already on the ropes! Getting fed up of this 'players not playing for the manager' crap. How about they start playing for the Club. How about they start playing for the poor sods that have stumped up their hard earned money to watch them. How about they have a bit of pride and start playing for themselves. Yes, the manager and owner have responsibilities but so too do those highly paid footballers who wear the blue and white stripes. Going back to 1972 we had three of our players asking for extra bonus payments, nothing has changed over the years, so get used to it!
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Post by paulsg on Aug 15, 2019 16:23:22 GMT 1
Nobody wanted Ian Greaves out, he stayed until after the 73/74 season before moving on and bringing success to Bolton. The three players who asked for more money (Worthington, Cherry & Ellam) represented the lack of faith in the board, which as usual refused to invest what was needed in the club.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Aug 15, 2019 16:39:53 GMT 1
Getting fed up of this 'players not playing for the manager' crap. How about they start playing for the Club. How about they start playing for the poor sods that have stumped up their hard earned money to watch them. How about they have a bit of pride and start playing for themselves. Yes, the manager and owner have responsibilities but so too do those highly paid footballers who wear the blue and white stripes. Going back to 1972 we had three of our players asking for extra bonus payments, nothing has changed over the years, so get used to it! I am used to it and professionals in all careers have always asked for more money. You're effectively suggesting they're on semi strike then if they refuse to put a genuine shift in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:49:39 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:59:12 GMT 1
Nobody wanted Ian Greaves out, he stayed until after the 73/74 season before moving on and bringing success to Bolton. The three players who asked for more money (Worthington, Cherry & Ellam) represented the lack of faith in the board, which as usual refused to invest what was needed in the club. I will remind you of what Ian Greaves said to team spokesman Trevor Cherry when he asked for the £1,000 bonus on behalf of himself, Ellam, Worthington and Lawson. "What are you going to do that you're not doing now". "Well, um you know boss"... Lawson apologised to the board and kept his job at Town.
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Post by Tiro on Aug 15, 2019 18:11:16 GMT 1
So why would Campbell leave Macclesfield, a team that he's done well with? Coincidence that Town may well be looking for a new man? Some on DATM will be trying to read tea leaves next. SC has been threatening to leave since week 4. Players threatened to boycott games over non-payment for months. With regards to SC, it just shows he's a bag of wind if you ask me; all his outspoken views on politics, race, the LMA, the FA etc etc and when it gets tough, he walks away from the troops because he can afford to and has a profile he can bank on. Those players are forced to play on - the club has their registration... You and Captain Cadman - spot on... Aside of the brass thing, it might just be the best timing for him to exploit the media coverage around this. His stock is high (allowing for the level he's managed at) & he'll spin it as being some sort of good guy...[/quote] Absolutely. It’s a calculated self preservation strategy, like at Pompey and County and NUFC. AND in two weeks time or so, the managerial merry-go-round will be in full swing and he will be free and cheap and with a better record.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 15, 2019 18:17:46 GMT 1
Barmy idea. Lets bring in an unproven manager from Macclesfield. Just what we need. NOT.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 15, 2019 18:19:09 GMT 1
Siewart just said that 'Rajiv and Mounie are close to being back.' If he doesn't start Rajiv then he's literally asking to be sacked. Not fit enough to be in the first team squad or the second 11 on Tuesday, then play 20 minutes and now close to being back. What a load of nonsense.
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Post by bazman on Aug 15, 2019 18:48:13 GMT 1
ok guys . bit of a up date last cance saloon must win or out . think wat you like but true
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 15, 2019 19:05:58 GMT 1
ok guys . bit of a up date last cance saloon must win or out . think wat you like but true Wow that creates a moral dilemma. If we go 3 0 down can we sack him at half time and then Hudson leads us to a 4 3 win in the second half? I think that would cover everything....
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Post by Wingman on Aug 15, 2019 19:07:45 GMT 1
ok guys . bit of a up date last cance saloon must win or out . think wat you like but true That’ll be that then. If true, it’s a shame it has to come to watching us have our bum smacked again on Sky. And again, if true, it’ll show if the players are playing for Jan or not.
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Post by royrace on Aug 15, 2019 19:14:38 GMT 1
ok guys . bit of a up date last cance saloon must win or out . think wat you like but true So the club are basing their decision based on one game?! It’s almost as if they don’t know what the fk they’re doing.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 15, 2019 19:20:47 GMT 1
I want Siewert to go because I don’t think he’s capable of managing HTAFC. Even so, if he’s been told that only a win tomorrow night will save his skin then I think that is very harsh on him. He’s a dead man walking and nobody deserves the embarrassment of effectively losing his job live on TV. The Board should be ashamed of themselves if it happens like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 19:21:55 GMT 1
ok guys . bit of a up date last cance saloon must win or out . think wat you like but true That’ll be that then. If true, it’s a shame it has to come to watching us have our bum smacked again on Sky. And again, if true, it’ll show if the players are playing for Jan or not. So if they play well and put it all in for Jan it's an automatic win is it....
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Post by stanton1969 on Aug 15, 2019 19:27:07 GMT 1
Siewart just said that 'Rajiv and Mounie are close to being back.' If he doesn't start Rajiv then he's literally asking to be sacked. Not fit enough to be in the first team squad or the second 11 on Tuesday, then play 20 minutes and now close to being back. What a load of nonsense. I love the bit in the press conference where he is asked about FC not being ready for action yet....but could he be used as an impact sub? Jan thinks a bit and says "yes"....as if he's given it some thought. Bullshit. The journo caught him on the hop and he made up the answer on the spot. He's all over the f**king place.
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Post by buckers on Aug 15, 2019 19:33:03 GMT 1
I want Siewert to go because I don’t think he’s capable of managing HTAFC. Even so, if he’s been told that only a win tomorrow night will save his skin then I think that is very harsh on him. He’s a dead man walking and nobody deserves the embarrassment of effectively losing his job live on TV. The Board should be ashamed of themselves if it happens like that. Yeah they want sacking too if true
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Post by johns on Aug 15, 2019 19:36:02 GMT 1
ok guys . bit of a up date last cance saloon must win or out . think wat you like but true So he's gone mutual agreement was a load of bollocks!!
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Post by bluesandtwos on Aug 15, 2019 19:56:34 GMT 1
If we beat Fulham comprehensively tomorrow, big if I know, it will prove this group of players can perform and in the formation Jan wants them to play in. If that happens he will have bought himself a few more games at least to see if he can reproduce that form, which is only fair. Will all the vocal doubters on here give him some more time, whether or not he plays VLP who managed to underwhelm Middlesborough last season?
I think Jan is hanging on by a thread but a couple of wins and a bit of confidence can work wonders. I hope we really put it to Fulham tomorrow, although experience tells me it is highly unlikely.
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Post by diceman on Aug 15, 2019 19:56:58 GMT 1
So if we play decent football and beat Fulham. Then play shit and lose against Cardiff, what happens then? I think the club needs to make a decision. Either publicly back him or let him go. We need clarity if there is to be stability.
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Post by bazman on Aug 15, 2019 20:13:08 GMT 1
my personal view is thay have thrown im to the wolves . and do feel for the guy
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 15, 2019 20:16:40 GMT 1
my personal view is thay have thrown im to the wolves . and do feel for the guy Ironically it's the only.fucking team he can win against
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Post by bluesandtwos on Aug 15, 2019 20:21:49 GMT 1
So if we play decent football and beat Fulham. Then play shit and lose against Cardiff, what happens then? I think the club needs to make a decision. Either publicly back him or let him go. We need clarity if there is to be stability. I don't think, in Championship games, we have played shit. We had chances against Derby which we should have put away and if we had been stronger in the last stages of the QPR game that could have been a better result. It is about winning games, whether you play well or not, just winning games will change it all. If we do that against Fulham it will put the other results into a different context. W1, D1, L1 is not that bad a start.
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Post by willo on Aug 15, 2019 21:18:43 GMT 1
About 24 hrs from now, we’ll know.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 15, 2019 21:36:13 GMT 1
About 24 hrs from now, we’ll know. If it gets called off for a waterlogged pitch, will they sack him? Or does he then get to traipse all the way down to Cardiff just like Powell did to Reading only to get the sack on the way home
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 15, 2019 21:42:38 GMT 1
About 24 hrs from now, we’ll know. If it gets called off for a waterlogged pitch, will they sack him? Or does he then get to traipse all the way down to Cardiff just like Powell did to Reading only to get the sack on the way home Cue the thousands of dissenters on here coming down to the ground tomorrow with buckets, pans, hosepipes and a stand pipe. Those that can't make it doing a rain dance at home... 😁
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Post by Wingman on Aug 15, 2019 22:06:42 GMT 1
That’ll be that then. If true, it’s a shame it has to come to watching us have our bum smacked again on Sky. And again, if true, it’ll show if the players are playing for Jan or not. So if they play well and put it all in for Jan it's an automatic win is it.... Let’s wait and see. If he IS getting his ideas across and not lost them it surely will begin to show in performances.
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