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Post by townatheart on Sept 1, 2019 12:30:59 GMT 1
RVLP - as a footballer I like him a lot. At his best he was an absolute delight to watch. His character? Less so. Wagner shipped him out. He came back after a failed loan at Middlesbrough with all this "HTFC is where I belong" shit, then within weeks he's undermining the club on social media. One of a few toxic individuals at the club. Yeah, the timing is odd but I'm glad he's gone. Oh, and all this crap about not having time to replace him - he's a winger. We've got an absolute fuck load of wingers at this club. We need to trim the fat & his position is one where we have an absolute surfeit of options. Agree with that, only problem is that essentially all of them, including VLP, have shown themselves to be ineffective shall we say! Initially I was willing to give him a chance and tried to be hopeful, but TBH based on what he has produced on the few chances he has been given, it sadly IMO is not a major loss. |
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Post by wigster on Sept 1, 2019 12:32:52 GMT 1
VLP, Wolves couldn’t get rid of fast enough, reason , crap attitude. Wagner got shut of VLP because of his attitude. Pulis , sent him back to Town ASAP, not performing in training, piss poor attitude. The guy is a first class disruptive asshole, suprised Town put up with it for so long.Good by and good riddance . Excellent post ! And if VLP only heard about Red Star's interest yesterday I'd be amazed. Wonder if he/his agents might just have been discussing this before ? Now, if Big Phil can just get rid of 3 or 4 of the others by Monday then things will be looking up. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 1, 2019 12:33:42 GMT 1
If you thought we'd keep Mooy in the championship you live in a dream world. Billing made it very clear in January he wanted to move. Löwe went home for family reasons. Out of the others who would you have liked us to keep hold of? Of course we could have kept Mooy!! He’s not fucking Hazard. He’s warming Brighton’s bench and will likely be relegated. Dream world you say?! I think some of our fans would believe the world was flat if the town board told them it was  The fact that he's bench warming at Brighton is irrelevant. The fact that a premier league club comes in for him & people think we'd still keep hold of him makes me think some people live in a dream world. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 1, 2019 12:36:54 GMT 1
We didn't have to spend 25m. We just had to spend more than 800k when we let 2 of our most talented players leave. Instead we replaced them with a kid from league 2 who can't even make the bench and a kid on loan who's a defensive mid. We did! Everyone forgets the roughly £8m we spent this summer making Mbenza permanent. Perhaps it is such a infeasibly bad deal everyone has just wiped it from their memory? We'll get to see more of his 'talents' now VLP has gone too, so thats a bonus! I can understand VLP wanting to go. In fact I could understand any of players wanting out. We're like a sinking ship. Hogg must be wondering what he was thinking of signing a new 3 year deal. Given that we were committed to this appalling signing when we took him on loan, then I'd be amazed if the money wasn't included in last season's budget. After all it was reported at the time that the initial loan was at Montpellier's request for tax reasons. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2019 12:39:17 GMT 1
VLP, Wolves couldn’t get rid of fast enough, reason , crap attitude. Wagner got shut of VLP because of his attitude. Pulis , sent him back to Town ASAP, not performing in training, piss poor attitude. The guy is a first class disruptive asshole, suprised Town put up with it for so long.Good by and good riddance . Excellent post ! And if VLP only heard about Red Star's interest yesterday I'd be amazed. Wonder if he/his agents might just have been discussing this before ? Now, if Big Phil can just get rid of 3 or 4 of the others by Monday then things will be looking up. Hopefully our 2 German widemen, is the transfer window for German non league clubs still open 🤔 |
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 1, 2019 12:42:27 GMT 1
So we're paying VLP £8,500 a week for the next 3 years.  Did I say it was a fact? But do you think he’s getting circa 18-20k a week in Serbia? Standard of living will be the same over there on half the wage though won't it? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 1, 2019 12:46:57 GMT 1
So we end up with shite that no bugger wants to buy like Kachunga and Quaner. Hello League One, see you very soon, in passing, as we head to a level the fat git is used to (and failed miserably at). I was hoping RVLP would want to prove a point when he got reinstated into the team but he's done absolutely fuck all! Talks a good game in his interviews but we might aswell have played with 10 men these last 3 games. Atleased Kachunga & Quaner will fight for the cause. Exacy. Elias and Collin did a. Much to get us promoted as RVLP. Collin had more assists in half as many games and Elias had more goals. But DATM'ers don't let facts get in the way of a good moan. |
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Post by impact on Sept 1, 2019 12:52:26 GMT 1
We didn't have to spend 25m. We just had to spend more than 800k when we let 2 of our most talented players leave. Instead we replaced them with a kid from league 2 who can't even make the bench and a kid on loan who's a defensive mid. We did! Everyone forgets the roughly £8m we spent this summer making Mbenza permanent. Perhaps it is such a infeasibly bad deal everyone has just wiped it from their memory? We'll get to see more of his 'talents' now VLP has gone too, so thats a bonus! I can understand VLP wanting to go. In fact I could understand any of players wanting out. We're like a sinking ship. Hogg must be wondering what he was thinking of signing a new 3 year deal. That was all done and sorted the year before, and did not improve the team as he was already here. We spent 800k improving the team. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2019 12:52:57 GMT 1
I was hoping RVLP would want to prove a point when he got reinstated into the team but he's done absolutely fuck all! Talks a good game in his interviews but we might aswell have played with 10 men these last 3 games. Atleased Kachunga & Quaner will fight for the cause. Exacy. Elias and Collin did a. Much to get us promoted as RVLP. Collin had more assists in half as many games and Elias had more goals. But DATM'ers don't let facts get in the way of a good moan. Your ignoring the fact that they've both been crap since promotion as well. 🤔 |
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Post by artysid on Sept 1, 2019 12:55:42 GMT 1
Exacy. Elias and Collin did a. Much to get us promoted as RVLP. Collin had more assists in half as many games and Elias had more goals. But DATM'ers don't let facts get in the way of a good moan. Your ignoring the fact that they've both been crap since promotion as well 🤔 Actually without Col's assists in the first EPL season we'd probably have gone straight back down. |
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Post by tommydee on Sept 1, 2019 12:59:43 GMT 1
Your ignoring the fact that they've both been crap since promotion as well 🤔 Actually without Col's assists in the first EPL season we'd probably have gone straight back down. Possibly. But without VLPs two match winning goals against WBA we would have definitely gone down. |
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Post by jepposdiy on Sept 1, 2019 12:59:53 GMT 1
He's going to tear bayern munich a new one
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 1, 2019 13:02:06 GMT 1
We did! Everyone forgets the roughly £8m we spent this summer making Mbenza permanent. Perhaps it is such a infeasibly bad deal everyone has just wiped it from their memory? We'll get to see more of his 'talents' now VLP has gone too, so thats a bonus! I can understand VLP wanting to go. In fact I could understand any of players wanting out. We're like a sinking ship. Hogg must be wondering what he was thinking of signing a new 3 year deal. Given that we were committed to this appalling signing when we took him on loan, then I'd be amazed if the money wasn't included in last season's budget. After all it was reported at the time that the initial loan was at Montpellier's request for tax reasons. By "reported", I take it you mean speculated by those on DATM |
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 1, 2019 13:04:57 GMT 1
Exacy. Elias and Collin did a. Much to get us promoted as RVLP. Collin had more assists in half as many games and Elias had more goals. But DATM'ers don't let facts get in the way of a good moan. Your ignoring the fact that they've both been crap since promotion as well 🤔 News Flash..... We are no longer in the premier league, we are back in the league where these 2 produced more end product than VLP. Collin scored more for Ipswich last season than VLP scored for us in 3 years |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 1, 2019 13:05:51 GMT 1
No, that's how you simply lose money in contractual payments. I don’t believe that. The only person who benefits from what we did was Depoitre. He said so himself! Unless we were lied to about his contract like we were with Lossl and Mbenza |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:07:06 GMT 1
How many of our last 50 matches has Van La Parra started? Irrelevant. 50 games ago we had a strong squad. we have a piss-weak one and anyone saying vlp doesnt somewhat improve that squad is deluded. he was good enough to play 40 odd games in a promotion winning squad Relevant because people are getting their knickers in a twist because "we've let a starter go". Have we? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 13:07:08 GMT 1
This amused me greatly:
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Post by dumbo on Sept 1, 2019 13:08:33 GMT 1
Of course we could have kept Mooy!! He’s not fucking Hazard. He’s warming Brighton’s bench and will likely be relegated. Dream world you say?! I think some of our fans would believe the world was flat if the town board told them it was The fact that he's bench warming at Brighton is irrelevant. The fact that a premier league club comes in for him & people think we'd still keep hold of him makes me think some people live in a dream world. If Watford or someone asked Bradley Dack if he wanted to play in the prem, he would say yes. If they offered Blackburn 50p they would say no and he wouldn't be going. Only excuse if he was in last year of his contract. Which looks like a separate balls up in itself. |
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Post by dumbo on Sept 1, 2019 13:10:46 GMT 1
Even with him fucking about with it in the corner for 5 minutes we still only manage to get 1 man in the box. Pretty funny comparison though. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2019 13:13:26 GMT 1
Your ignoring the fact that they've both been crap since promotion as well 🤔 Actually without Col's assists in the first EPL season we'd probably have gone straight back down. Or Raj's goals that helped keep us up 🤔 |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2019 13:15:30 GMT 1
Your ignoring the fact that they've both been crap since promotion as well 🤔 News Flash..... We are no longer in the premier league, we are back in the league where these 2 produced more end product than VLP. Collin scored more for Ipswich last season than VLP scored for us in 3 years Other Newsflash, Quaners team got relegated and still didn't want to sign him and Kachunga has done nothing in over 2 1/2 years |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2019 13:18:09 GMT 1
We did! Everyone forgets the roughly £8m we spent this summer making Mbenza permanent. Perhaps it is such a infeasibly bad deal everyone has just wiped it from their memory? We'll get to see more of his 'talents' now VLP has gone too, so thats a bonus! I can understand VLP wanting to go. In fact I could understand any of players wanting out. We're like a sinking ship. Hogg must be wondering what he was thinking of signing a new 3 year deal. Given that we were committed to this appalling signing when we took him on loan, then I'd be amazed if the money wasn't included in last season's budget. After all it was reported at the time that the initial loan was at Montpellier's request for tax reasons. Well we signed something that committed us to it, but the fee we payed will have been on this summers transfer budget.. this years accounts. When you give a player a 5 year contract, you are committed to pay his wage for those 5 years, but the whole total amount doesn;t go on the first years accounts. So even though it still doesn;t seem much, we did spend roughly £9m this summer on incoming transfer fees, not the £800k or whatever people say we did. Said before though, if I was in charge of the purse strings, I wouldn;t be giving money to the same people whod been spending it over the previous 2 or 3 windows. Especially not when I have a new DOF about to start. Id save the money for him to spend in January or the following summer. If thats what Phils done, then I agree with him. The altrenative being to hand the people who brought you Mbenza for £11m all in, to waste another big lump of money on crap. Problem Phil has is that it would be great if he could explain that to the fans. Think most would understand the reasoning. But he can't. It would be basically saying publicly that half your squad are complete wastes of money. Chairman might think that, but he can't say it. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 1, 2019 13:19:50 GMT 1
Imagine the fee we've received for VLP will be used to lure cowley away from Lincoln.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 1, 2019 13:22:14 GMT 1
Given that we were committed to this appalling signing when we took him on loan, then I'd be amazed if the money wasn't included in last season's budget. After all it was reported at the time that the initial loan was at Montpellier's request for tax reasons. Well we signed something that committed us to it, but the fee we payed will have been on this summers transfer budget.. this years accounts. When you give a player a 5 year contract, you are committed to pay his wage for those 5 years, but the whole total amount doesn;t go on the first years accounts. So even though it still doesn;t seem much, we did spend roughly £9m this summer on incoming transfer fees, not the £800k or whatever people say we did. Said before though, if I was in charge of the purse strings, I wouldn;t be giving money to the same people whod been spending it over the previous 2 or 3 windows. Especially not when I have a new DOF about to start. Id save the money for him to spend in January or the following summer. If thats what Phils done, then I agree with him. The altrenative being to hand the people who brought you Mbenza for £11m all in, to waste another big lump of money on crap. Problem Phil has is that it would be great if he could explain that to the fans. Think most would understand the reasoning. But he can't. It would be basically saying publicly that half your squad are complete wastes of money. Chairman might think that, but he can't say it. You're essentially right but there are ways of acknowledging the mistakes and saying we are addressing them. As for VLP, probably best for all but I don't think he's our biggest problem. |
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Post by dumbo on Sept 1, 2019 13:26:35 GMT 1
Given that we were committed to this appalling signing when we took him on loan, then I'd be amazed if the money wasn't included in last season's budget. After all it was reported at the time that the initial loan was at Montpellier's request for tax reasons. Well we signed something that committed us to it, but the fee we payed will have been on this summers transfer budget.. this years accounts. When you give a player a 5 year contract, you are committed to pay his wage for those 5 years, but the whole total amount doesn;t go on the first years accounts. So even though it still doesn;t seem much, we did spend roughly £9m this summer on incoming transfer fees, not the £800k or whatever people say we did. Said before though, if I was in charge of the purse strings, I wouldn;t be giving money to the same people whod been spending it over the previous 2 or 3 windows. Especially not when I have a new DOF about to start. Id save the money for him to spend in January or the following summer. If thats what Phils done, then I agree with him. The altrenative being to hand the people who brought you Mbenza for £11m all in, to waste another big lump of money on crap. Problem Phil has is that it would be great if he could explain that to the fans. Think most would understand the reasoning. But he can't. It would be basically saying publicly that half your squad are complete wastes of money. Chairman might think that, but he can't say it. Some good points, but on the issue of trust and purse strings. Him and Hoyle had the plan to not appoint a DOF/HOF until after the window closed. Seem to remember they said it was too important and they would manage themselves. Looks a mistake. Also backed Jan, who wasn't involved in any of those poor transfers. Clearly he didn't really. A second mistake. Mistakes happen and should be forgiven, but would be nice to stop making them. |
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Post by nshackle on Sept 1, 2019 13:29:17 GMT 1
He's going to tear bayern munich a new one According to Stephen Warnock during last week's CL draw Red Star are 'part time' so Van La Parra will fit in well there * * They are not of course ! |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 1, 2019 13:55:18 GMT 1
Wonder if he will thank our fans ?
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Post by royrace on Sept 1, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1
Of course we could have kept Mooy!! He’s not fucking Hazard. He’s warming Brighton’s bench and will likely be relegated. Dream world you say?! I think some of our fans would believe the world was flat if the town board told them it was . The fact that a premier league club comes in for him & people think we'd still keep hold of him makes me think some people live in a dream world. No it isn't, its very relevant. Its relevant that Brighton would have been way down on Mooys list, especially if there were no guarantee he'd be a starter and in actual fact he has been taken as backup to push for a starting berth. That means Mooy would not be desperate for the move and as in other sales the club are the ones highly motivated to sell and not necessarily the player. If it had been an Everton or a Newcastle and a good fee I could maybe understand it. The deal was ALL about money for the club, nothing else, a big wage off the books for a year whilst maximising the fee next year. Although of course the geniuses running our club haven't factored in the fact he may get injured and/or not play all year therefore making him less valuable than if he had have played for us. They obviously also failed to spot his importance for the team, for the last 3 seasons without Aaron Mooy this team has been nothing. Its pertinent I think that neither Phil nor Dean mentioned Mooy when talking about the brilliant players they had enjoyed watching down the years. This despite the fact he's the best player to pull on the shirt in forty odd years and the main reason we ended up in the PL. I knew at that point he would be gone, last day very convenient in terms of not having to justify why a replacement wasnt brought in. I'm not sure why you think when PL clubs come in players automatically have to be sold, do you remember how many brilliant deals we got for top championship players when we were a PL outfit? How many teams let us come in on deadline day and loan their fcuking best player, thats right none did because its a tin pot, stupid fecking thing to do. Lots and lots and lots of PL teams come down and keep their best players, certainly the key ones and certainly for one season at least. It would take an unbelievable offer apparently to take our best players and we have replacements lined up. Utter fecking bullshit, plain and simple. ....Or have I missed the new law that dictates all offers from PL clubs must be immediately accepted. |
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Post by linson on Sept 1, 2019 14:23:50 GMT 1
What an absolute joke this is turning out to be.
We're systematically getting rid of all our best players. If you could rank our players in order of ability from last season to this then we've effectively targeted all our best for sell off.
Have we brought in a single player that has been an upgrade bar Grant? Everything else has been a downgrade.
We need to delve into the free agent market ASAP. There are some big names there just waiting for approaches.
AND WHY ARE QUANER AND KACHUNGA STILL HERE?!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 1, 2019 14:25:08 GMT 1
Given that we were committed to this appalling signing when we took him on loan, then I'd be amazed if the money wasn't included in last season's budget. After all it was reported at the time that the initial loan was at Montpellier's request for tax reasons. By "reported", I take it you mean speculated by those on DATM Reported in the press. Surely nobody with a semblance of a brain cell would have signed Mbenza this summer if we didn't have to. |
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