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[teddytheterrier]

Sept 1, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1 royrace said:

Sept 1, 2019 12:33:42 GMT 1 terriersyndrome said:

The fact that he's bench warming at Brighton is irrelevant. The fact that a premier league club comes in for him & people think we'd still keep hold of him makes me think some people live in a dream world.

No it isn't, its very relevant. Its relevant that Brighton would have been way down on Mooys list, especially if there were no guarantee he'd be a starter and in actual fact he has been taken as backup to push for a starting berth. That means Mooy would not be desperate for the move and as in other sales the club are the ones highly motivated to sell and not necessarily the player.

If it had been an Everton or a Newcastle and a good fee I could maybe understand it. The deal was ALL about money for the club, nothing else, a big wage off the books for a year whilst maximising the fee next year. Although of course the geniuses running our club haven't factored in the fact he may get injured and/or not play all year therefore making him less valuable than if he had have played for us.

They obviously also failed to spot his importance for the team, for the last 3 seasons without Aaron Mooy this team has been nothing. Its pertinent I think that neither Phil nor Dean mentioned Mooy when talking about the brilliant players they had enjoyed watching down the years. This despite the fact he's the best player to pull on the shirt in forty odd years and the main reason we ended up in the PL. I knew at that point he would be gone, last day very convenient in terms of not having to justify why a replacement wasnt brought in. 

I'm not sure why you think when PL clubs come in players automatically have to be sold, do you remember how many brilliant deals we got for top championship players when we were a PL outfit? How many teams let us come in on deadline day and loan their fcuking best player, thats right none did because its a tin pot, stupid fecking thing to do.

Lots and lots and lots of PL teams come down and keep their best players, certainly the key ones and certainly for one season at least. It would take an unbelievable offer apparently to take our best players and we have replacements lined up. Utter fecking bullshit, plain and simple. 

....Or have I missed the new law that dictates all offers from PL clubs must be immediately accepted. 

That's a great post. This team is useless but even more useless without Mooy.

[4 pts]

Sept 1, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1 royrace said:

Sept 1, 2019 12:33:42 GMT 1 terriersyndrome said:

The fact that he's bench warming at Brighton is irrelevant. The fact that a premier league club comes in for him & people think we'd still keep hold of him makes me think some people live in a dream world.

No it isn't, its very relevant. Its relevant that Brighton would have been way down on Mooys list, especially if there were no guarantee he'd be a starter and in actual fact he has been taken as backup to push for a starting berth. That means Mooy would not be desperate for the move and as in other sales the club are the ones highly motivated to sell and not necessarily the player.

If it had been an Everton or a Newcastle and a good fee I could maybe understand it. The deal was ALL about money for the club, nothing else, a big wage off the books for a year whilst maximising the fee next year. Although of course the geniuses running our club haven't factored in the fact he may get injured and/or not play all year therefore making him less valuable than if he had have played for us.

They obviously also failed to spot his importance for the team, for the last 3 seasons without Aaron Mooy this team has been nothing. Its pertinent I think that neither Phil nor Dean mentioned Mooy when talking about the brilliant players they had enjoyed watching down the years. This despite the fact he's the best player to pull on the shirt in forty odd years and the main reason we ended up in the PL. I knew at that point he would be gone, last day very convenient in terms of not having to justify why a replacement wasnt brought in. 

I'm not sure why you think when PL clubs come in players automatically have to be sold, do you remember how many brilliant deals we got for top championship players when we were a PL outfit? How many teams let us come in on deadline day and loan their fcuking best player, thats right none did because its a tin pot, stupid fecking thing to do.

Lots and lots and lots of PL teams come down and keep their best players, certainly the key ones and certainly for one season at least. It would take an unbelievable offer apparently to take our best players and we have replacements lined up. Utter fecking bullshit, plain and simple. 

....Or have I missed the new law that dictates all offers from PL clubs must be immediately accepted. 

Great post and bang on with regards to the money. I'd also hazard a guess that Mooy would still be here if Siewert had been sacked at the end of last season. 

[yappledapple]

Not wanting to politicise this thread, but I hope VLP understands the fan environment he could be facing; fans, even with players from their own clubs are far more overt with their extreme views in Serbia.

And I understand the article below is a couple of years old now...

www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/25/serbian-football-racism-problem-everton-luiz

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Sept 1, 2019 12:42:27 GMT 1 tockyterrier said:

Sept 1, 2019 9:53:40 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Did I say it was a fact? But do you think he’s getting circa 18-20k a week in Serbia?

Standard of living will be the same over there on half the wage though won't it?

Standard of living better. Absolutely beautiful country, Belgrade is lovely too tbh and it borders a country I frequent a lot, Croatia, which has some of the best beaches and water anywhere in Europe

[Oblong of Dreams]

That it's acceptable and legal for a club to make an offer for a player WHILST HE'S ACTUALLY PLAYING A MATCH is ridiculous. UEFA/FIFA should be looking at stuff like this rather than making handball a strict liability offence.

As for Rajiv, he's given us some wonderful moments in the last few years so I'll thank him for that... However he also seemed to think he was bigger than the club, and that's something I can't forgive easily.

Belgrade is probably a shithole and they aren't so used to non-white people there, so I hope he enjoys himself.

[Leporid]

HTAFC - a stepping stone to...... Belgrade?

[Nickhudds.UTT]

Nicer food in Croatia too !

[tockyterrier]

Sept 1, 2019 14:42:51 GMT 1 teddytheterrier said:

Sept 1, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1 royrace said:

No it isn't, its very relevant. Its relevant that Brighton would have been way down on Mooys list, especially if there were no guarantee he'd be a starter and in actual fact he has been taken as backup to push for a starting berth. That means Mooy would not be desperate for the move and as in other sales the club are the ones highly motivated to sell and not necessarily the player.

If it had been an Everton or a Newcastle and a good fee I could maybe understand it. The deal was ALL about money for the club, nothing else, a big wage off the books for a year whilst maximising the fee next year. Although of course the geniuses running our club haven't factored in the fact he may get injured and/or not play all year therefore making him less valuable than if he had have played for us.

They obviously also failed to spot his importance for the team, for the last 3 seasons without Aaron Mooy this team has been nothing. Its pertinent I think that neither Phil nor Dean mentioned Mooy when talking about the brilliant players they had enjoyed watching down the years. This despite the fact he's the best player to pull on the shirt in forty odd years and the main reason we ended up in the PL. I knew at that point he would be gone, last day very convenient in terms of not having to justify why a replacement wasnt brought in. 

I'm not sure why you think when PL clubs come in players automatically have to be sold, do you remember how many brilliant deals we got for top championship players when we were a PL outfit? How many teams let us come in on deadline day and loan their fcuking best player, thats right none did because its a tin pot, stupid fecking thing to do.

Lots and lots and lots of PL teams come down and keep their best players, certainly the key ones and certainly for one season at least. It would take an unbelievable offer apparently to take our best players and we have replacements lined up. Utter fecking bullshit, plain and simple. 

....Or have I missed the new law that dictates all offers from PL clubs must be immediately accepted. 

That's a great post. This team is useless but even more useless without Mooy.

So you'd understand if he went to Newcastle but not Brighton.? Not much difference really, except the fans are not protesting against the board at Brighton.

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Sept 1, 2019 15:16:59 GMT 1 Nickhudds.UTT said:

Nicer food in Croatia too !

And women

[tockyterrier]

Sept 1, 2019 13:15:30 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Sept 1, 2019 13:04:57 GMT 1 tockyterrier said:

News Flash..... We are no longer in the premier league, we are back in the league where these 2 produced more end product than VLP. Collin scored more for Ipswich last season than VLP scored for us in 3 years

Other Newsflash, Quaners team got relegated and still didn't want to sign him and Kachunga has done nothing in over 2 1/2 years

Even more of an achievement than during fit a promotion winning side then?
Did Ipswich not want him? Or did he not want to play in div 1? Or did we say we wanted him back?

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Sept 1, 2019 14:54:11 GMT 1 Oblong of Dreams said:

That it's acceptable and legal for a club to make an offer for a player WHILST HE'S ACTUALLY PLAYING A MATCH is ridiculous. UEFA/FIFA should be looking at stuff like this rather than making handball a strict liability offence.

As for Rajiv, he's given us some wonderful moments in the last few years so I'll thank him for that... However he also seemed to think he was bigger than the club, and that's something I can't forgive easily.

Belgrade is probably a shithole and they aren't so used to non-white people there, so I hope he enjoys himself.

Enjoyment doesn't look a problem.

[Deleted]

Sept 1, 2019 15:07:17 GMT 1 Leporid said:

HTAFC - a stepping stone to...... Belgrade?

I get he said that, their league isn’t the best at all but let’s be honest, VLP is going to be on the biggest stage of a footballers domestic career, Champions League. I’d say he’s had one big bloody good stepping stone to realise that dream, one he wouldn’t realise in England anyway.

Imagine he does seriously well there, actually passes the ball, scores goals and provides them, but also does this in the Champions League!! Big ask I know. However, a team say Ajax, PSV, Lyon etc could come calling. So as it seems stupid, it actually is a very smart move on his part. If he fucks about like he did here, at least he has got to play in the best tournament domestically.

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Sept 1, 2019 14:54:11 GMT 1 Oblong of Dreams said:

That it's acceptable and legal for a club to make an offer for a player WHILST HE'S ACTUALLY PLAYING A MATCH is ridiculous. UEFA/FIFA should be looking at stuff like this rather than making handball a strict liability offence.

As for Rajiv, he's given us some wonderful moments in the last few years so I'll thank him for that... However he also seemed to think he was bigger than the club, and that's something I can't forgive easily.

Belgrade is probably a shithole and they aren't so used to non-white people there, so I hope he enjoys himself.

Think you’re a bit dated with your last part and slightly ignorant. Belgrade is absolutely beautiful. The buildings, nightlife, food and people. Bet you still think the Yugoslav wars are going on eh?

Proper ignorant comment tbh

[Spike24]

Sept 1, 2019 9:46:53 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Reports say he’s signed a contract paying €500k a year. Sounds about right to me for Serbian football. That’s £452k, or £8,692 a week.

He’ll have been on at least double that here.

So, he’s either that desperate to leave he’s taken a 50% wage cut (unlikely), or were still paying some of his wages...

We wont be paying his wages if hes gone.

[hthtafs]

Sept 1, 2019 14:42:51 GMT 1 teddytheterrier said:

Sept 1, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1 royrace said:

No it isn't, its very relevant. Its relevant that Brighton would have been way down on Mooys list, especially if there were no guarantee he'd be a starter and in actual fact he has been taken as backup to push for a starting berth. That means Mooy would not be desperate for the move and as in other sales the club are the ones highly motivated to sell and not necessarily the player.

If it had been an Everton or a Newcastle and a good fee I could maybe understand it. The deal was ALL about money for the club, nothing else, a big wage off the books for a year whilst maximising the fee next year. Although of course the geniuses running our club haven't factored in the fact he may get injured and/or not play all year therefore making him less valuable than if he had have played for us.

They obviously also failed to spot his importance for the team, for the last 3 seasons without Aaron Mooy this team has been nothing. Its pertinent I think that neither Phil nor Dean mentioned Mooy when talking about the brilliant players they had enjoyed watching down the years. This despite the fact he's the best player to pull on the shirt in forty odd years and the main reason we ended up in the PL. I knew at that point he would be gone, last day very convenient in terms of not having to justify why a replacement wasnt brought in. 

I'm not sure why you think when PL clubs come in players automatically have to be sold, do you remember how many brilliant deals we got for top championship players when we were a PL outfit? How many teams let us come in on deadline day and loan their fcuking best player, thats right none did because its a tin pot, stupid fecking thing to do.

Lots and lots and lots of PL teams come down and keep their best players, certainly the key ones and certainly for one season at least. It would take an unbelievable offer apparently to take our best players and we have replacements lined up. Utter fecking bullshit, plain and simple. 

....Or have I missed the new law that dictates all offers from PL clubs must be immediately accepted. 

That's a great post. This team is useless but even more useless without Mooy.

Absolutely fantastic post .. might add mooy salary will be like a millstone round our neck if we get relegated .., we will end up paying him a coupe of £m to bugger off!

[hthtafs]

Sept 1, 2019 15:36:20 GMT 1 Spike24 said:

Sept 1, 2019 9:46:53 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Reports say he’s signed a contract paying €500k a year. Sounds about right to me for Serbian football. That’s £452k, or £8,692 a week.

He’ll have been on at least double that here.

So, he’s either that desperate to leave he’s taken a 50% wage cut (unlikely), or were still paying some of his wages...

We wont be paying his wages if hes gone.

Are you daft if he’s taken a 50% drop we will have probably given him £500k to leave. If we’ve got shut and broken in terms of fee / salary settlement we’ve done well.

[Porrohman]

Sept 1, 2019 15:29:27 GMT 1 tockyterrier said:

Sept 1, 2019 13:15:30 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Other Newsflash, Quaners team got relegated and still didn't want to sign him and Kachunga has done nothing in over 2 1/2 years

Even more of an achievement than during fit a promotion winning side then?
Did Ipswich not want him? Or did he not want to play in div 1? Or did we say we wanted him back?

Did Quaner score 7 for Ipswich ? Won't be far off his best ever season if he did

[overtonterrierspirit]

Sept 1, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1 royrace said:

Sept 1, 2019 12:33:42 GMT 1 terriersyndrome said:

The fact that he's bench warming at Brighton is irrelevant. The fact that a premier league club comes in for him & people think we'd still keep hold of him makes me think some people live in a dream world.

No it isn't, its very relevant. Its relevant that Brighton would have been way down on Mooys list, especially if there were no guarantee he'd be a starter and in actual fact he has been taken as backup to push for a starting berth. That means Mooy would not be desperate for the move and as in other sales the club are the ones highly motivated to sell and not necessarily the player.

If it had been an Everton or a Newcastle and a good fee I could maybe understand it. The deal was ALL about money for the club, nothing else, a big wage off the books for a year whilst maximising the fee next year. Although of course the geniuses running our club haven't factored in the fact he may get injured and/or not play all year therefore making him less valuable than if he had have played for us.

They obviously also failed to spot his importance for the team, for the last 3 seasons without Aaron Mooy this team has been nothing. Its pertinent I think that neither Phil nor Dean mentioned Mooy when talking about the brilliant players they had enjoyed watching down the years. This despite the fact he's the best player to pull on the shirt in forty odd years and the main reason we ended up in the PL. I knew at that point he would be gone, last day very convenient in terms of not having to justify why a replacement wasnt brought in. 

I'm not sure why you think when PL clubs come in players automatically have to be sold, do you remember how many brilliant deals we got for top championship players when we were a PL outfit? How many teams let us come in on deadline day and loan their fcuking best player, thats right none did because its a tin pot, stupid fecking thing to do.

Lots and lots and lots of PL teams come down and keep their best players, certainly the key ones and certainly for one season at least. It would take an unbelievable offer apparently to take our best players and we have replacements lined up. Utter fecking bullshit, plain and simple. 

....Or have I missed the new law that dictates all offers from PL clubs must be immediately accepted. 

I’m not aware of any other recently relegated PL Club that has just given up like we have and rather than planning for a promotion challenge have aggressively pursued a policy of offloading their best players and replacing with lower league footballers.
We have shown not one inkling of ambition at this club for 2 years.

[hthtafs]

Sept 1, 2019 14:54:11 GMT 1 Oblong of Dreams said:

That it's acceptable and legal for a club to make an offer for a player WHILST HE'S ACTUALLY PLAYING A MATCH is ridiculous. UEFA/FIFA should be looking at stuff like this rather than making handball a strict liability offence.

As for Rajiv, he's given us some wonderful moments in the last few years so I'll thank him for that... However he also seemed to think he was bigger than the club, and that's something I can't forgive easily.

Belgrade is probably a shithole and they aren't so used to non-white people there, so I hope he enjoys himself.

Your either pretty dumb or young. Maybe both.

[Stiggy]

The question has to be asked. WHY DO THEY ALL WANT AWAY FROM THE CLUB? Are the jumping a sinking ship??

Seems it to me.

[Up the Duff.]

Sept 1, 2019 11:03:44 GMT 1 terriersyndrome said:

Sept 1, 2019 10:53:51 GMT 1 @spezial said:

But in hindsight, Babel had a release clause. Sessegnon has gone to a top 4 club and they’ve also used that money and bought some absolute quality. I get your point however.

They haven't actually bought any players this season, all loans. I'm not denying they are mostly good loans with hefty loan fees & wages though. Tbf, Fulham are in a completely different league financially to us.

Yes they have that billionaire chap owner and we have that couple of million chap owner... 

[Wingman]

Sept 1, 2019 14:29:47 GMT 1 @terrier69 said:

Lots of st-st-st-stuttering there. Was he nervous about the crowd or.....

It’s time for some transparency Philip.

[Baby-face Frankenstein]

Sept 1, 2019 2:27:39 GMT 1 @mij7997 said:

Sept 1, 2019 2:21:53 GMT 1 Baby-face Frankenstein said:

I wonder if "we received an offer during the game" came on 63 minutes (when VLP was substituted). Freakish in a way then to concede the second goal only 3 minutes later - oh dear, when the stars are misaligned? Hope we don't miss out this year by one point.

Miss out on what staying up?

Yes, even I've given up on us approaching anywhere near the play-offs this season with the kind of start we've had. Was looking at the 1997/98 season, though, and then we went 14 games before the first win. So we're a long way from being condemned already. Intrigued as to who is going to come in and sort out this mess.

[Up the Duff.]

Sept 1, 2019 12:17:30 GMT 1 royrace said:

Sept 1, 2019 11:13:21 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

RVLP - as a footballer I like him a lot. At his best he was an absolute delight to watch. His character? Less so.

Wagner shipped him out. He came back after a failed loan at Middlesbrough with all this "HTFC is where I belong" shit, then within weeks he's undermining the club on social media. One of a few toxic individuals at the club. Yeah, the timing is odd but I'm glad he's gone.

Oh, and all this crap about not having time to replace him - he's a winger. We've got an absolute fuck load of wingers at this club. We need to trim the fat & his position is one where we have an absolute surfeit of options.

Shortly after that he posted something saying he’d been stabbed in the back. I don’t buy this he was desperate to leave bollcoks, I’d be desperate to leave too if I’d been told my employer didn’t want me around any more. 

Since Siewert arrived the club has been shouting as loud as it could that a major clear out was needed, it would take three windows etc etc, basically making it crystal clear to the players that it wanted to get rid of most of them. Then they wonder why morale is low, struck me as a stupid and unusual thing to publicly say at the time and so it has proven to be.

could it be new budgets were drawn up and it became crystal clear a large proportion of the high earners would need to be shipped out. Hence the clear out, 3 window transition and ludicrous experiment with the kids team coach from Germany and a load of kids from the lower divisions. 

Seems to me the club is actively trying to get rid of most of the big earners and hiding behind the desperate to leave, bad apple line. Funny how the team spirit went from being one of the best to one of the worst in about January when that joke of a manager arrived and the takeover was being sorted.

still at least dean protected us from those horrible American billionaires. 

Yes thanks Dean for selling it to someone who has fxck all wealth to own a club.. but don't worry he is a fan.  

[Up the Duff.]

Sept 1, 2019 14:23:50 GMT 1 linson said:

What an absolute joke this is turning out to be.

We're systematically getting rid of all our best players. If you could rank our players in order of ability from last season to this then we've effectively targeted all our best for sell off.

Have we brought in a single player that has been an upgrade bar Grant? Everything else has been a downgrade.

We need to delve into the free agent market ASAP. There are some big names there just waiting for approaches.

AND WHY ARE QUANER AND KACHUNGA STILL HERE?!

Why didn't Red Star come in for Quaner or Kachunga... them being better than VLP and with great attitudes.   

Clubs don't hear a peep out of shit players do they... funny that 

[specialun]

Sept 1, 2019 9:10:59 GMT 1 htfcfcfc said:

Sept 1, 2019 8:54:14 GMT 1 specialun said:

1. The majority of last summers recruitment remain

2. This would be fine... but hasn’t reinvested in the squad

3. And got rid of 2 starters (Mooy being our best player) on the last day of the window / beyond when they can’t be replaced

1. Show me anyone interested in them
2. Aside from not replacing Loewe rightly so given our staffs ability to pick a player over the last 2-3 years and the uncertainty over the manager. But maybe spanking £25m in a hurry would have been a better idea for those with short memories so we could bring in the next generation of Diakhabys and Mbenzas.
3. Not overly happy about this either but maybe if 2-3 clubs had actually expressed an interest in buying him we wouldn’t have been forced into this action.

Point 1 - Make up your mind

You said: Seems pretty self explanatory to me. PH unwinding a couple of years of awful recruitment and terrible attitudes

I said: The majority of last summers recruitment remain

You said: Show me anyone interested in them

I agree. But that contradicts your exact point. You said it’s clear what he’s doing, he’s unwinding the terrible recruitment of the last few years ...

.... you’re saying he can’t as there isn’t interest in last years signings?

Make up your mind - either he is unwinding or is he isn’t?!?

[htfcfcfc]

Sept 1, 2019 16:51:46 GMT 1 specialun said:

Sept 1, 2019 9:10:59 GMT 1 htfcfcfc said:

1. Show me anyone interested in them
2. Aside from not replacing Loewe rightly so given our staffs ability to pick a player over the last 2-3 years and the uncertainty over the manager. But maybe spanking £25m in a hurry would have been a better idea for those with short memories so we could bring in the next generation of Diakhabys and Mbenzas.
3. Not overly happy about this either but maybe if 2-3 clubs had actually expressed an interest in buying him we wouldn’t have been forced into this action.

Point 1 - Make up your mind

You said: Seems pretty self explanatory to me. PH unwinding a couple of years of awful recruitment and terrible attitudes

I said: The majority of last summers recruitment remain

You said: Show me anyone interested in them

I agree. But that contradicts your exact point. You said it’s clear what he’s doing, he’s unwinding the terrible recruitment of the last few years ...

.... you’re saying he can’t as there isn’t interest in last years signings?

Make up your mind - either he is unwinding or is he isn’t?!?

My goodness you’ve really got a lot of time on your hands.

I said bad recruitment and bad attitudes. VLP falls in to the latter. Hence it doesn’t contradict anything. Several players have already left who fall into both bad recruitment and bad attitudes. Even they weren’t shifted easily

Good night

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Sept 1, 2019 9:56:41 GMT 1 artysid said:

Sept 1, 2019 9:53:40 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Did I say it was a fact? But do you think he’s getting circa 18-20k a week in Serbia?

So if you're saying it's unlikely he's taken a pay cut, and your saying he's on a least double here, and your saying we could be paying some of his wages. What are you saying?

I don’t know what the hell hes saying. I have never heard of a club paying wages after a permanent transfer. Just another bullshit rumor starting.

[Leporid]

Sept 1, 2019 15:31:42 GMT 1 @spezial said:

Sept 1, 2019 15:07:17 GMT 1 Leporid said:

HTAFC - a stepping stone to...... Belgrade?

I get he said that, their league isn’t the best at all but let’s be honest, VLP is going to be on the biggest stage of a footballers domestic career, Champions League. I’d say he’s had one big bloody good stepping stone to realise that dream, one he wouldn’t realise in England anyway.

Imagine he does seriously well there, actually passes the ball, scores goals and provides them, but also does this in the Champions League!! Big ask I know. However, a team say Ajax, PSV, Lyon etc could come calling. So as it seems stupid, it actually is a very smart move on his part. If he fucks about like he did here, at least he has got to play in the best tournament domestically.

We can imagine.