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Post by pettsy74 on Aug 19, 2019 19:14:05 GMT 1
Haha ... How on earth did he choose him? He left the club 21 months before he was appointed?! What did we do, call Webber every time a decision had to be made? Nonsense! Is it not conceivable to your (highly suggestable) mind that Siewert might have been identified prior to Wagner's departure? And that it was Webber who identified him ? I'll leave it there believe what you want I think your point is more valid now you've downgraded "chosen" to "identified". I think it's relatively common knowledge that as a club we were looking for an identity and as soon as Wagner flirted with other clubs early in his tenure then Webber was tasked with looking for alternatives that may well fit the blueprint and siewert was one of those that fit the bill. To say that he chose and was therefore responsible for his appointment is a bit of a stretch. Maybe not quite DATM gold but perhaps a podium finish. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 19, 2019 19:22:46 GMT 1
Is it not conceivable to your (highly suggestable) mind that Siewert might have been identified prior to Wagner's departure? And that it was Webber who identified him ? I'll leave it there believe what you want I think your point is more valid now you've downgraded "chosen" to "identified". I think it's relatively common knowledge that as a club we were looking for an identity and as soon as Wagner flirted with other clubs early in his tenure then Webber was tasked with looking for alternatives that may well fit the blueprint and siewert was one of those that fit the bill. To say that he chose and was therefore responsible for his appointment is a bit of a stretch. Maybe not quite DATM gold but perhaps a podium finish. Yes I've reflected that identified is a more suitable choice of language . Not sure the two words are that far apart . Nor do I think it's anywhere near a podium gold finish but if it keeps Mallyb smiling then I'll take the hit |
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Post by pettsy74 on Aug 19, 2019 19:30:30 GMT 1
I think your point is more valid now you've downgraded "chosen" to "identified". I think it's relatively common knowledge that as a club we were looking for an identity and as soon as Wagner flirted with other clubs early in his tenure then Webber was tasked with looking for alternatives that may well fit the blueprint and siewert was one of those that fit the bill. To say that he chose and was therefore responsible for his appointment is a bit of a stretch. Maybe not quite DATM gold but perhaps a podium finish. Yes I've reflected that identified is a more suitable choice of language . Not sure the two words are that far apart . Nor do I think it's anywhere near a podium gold finish but if it keeps Mallyb smiling then I'll take the hit To be fair to you mate the bars set pretty high on here when it comes to datm gold !! It's not about the winning though , all about the taking part. |
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 19, 2019 19:46:21 GMT 1
Few outlets reporting we are looking at Dan petrescu
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Post by tvor on Aug 19, 2019 19:58:25 GMT 1
Few outlets reporting we are looking at Dan petrescu Some useful biographical info here if anyone’s interested biblio.co.uk/9781857027334 |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Aug 19, 2019 20:03:33 GMT 1
What would everyone want if the following scenario happened...
Hudson comes in as caretaker, plays a desirable team, formation and strong message of old gegenpress high intensity, possession and forward thinking football. Beats Cardiff, and beats Reading, with good solid dominant performances.
it's a tough one. I know he's "inexperienced" but, he's played in this division for a large part of his career. played under Wagner, developed and coached under Wagner, as well as seeing differences with Jan Stewart.
Would we want him in charge full-time?
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Post by Tiro on Aug 19, 2019 20:10:52 GMT 1
Few outlets reporting we are looking at Dan petrescu 15 jobs as manager in 17 years!! 16 if you count his time as an Assistant. I’m surprised he’s not linked to more clubs with a record like that. Still, he’s done a hell of a lot more than JS: 1 x Russian league title 2 x Romanian league titles 1x Chinese FA Cup |
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Post by dxterrier on Aug 19, 2019 20:13:27 GMT 1
I just hope Dean emptied his desk drawer when he sold up, there was a letter and CV from Dean Saunders in there!!!!
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Post by gingerc on Aug 19, 2019 20:18:49 GMT 1
The same Dan Petrescu who has had 8 managerial positions in the last 5 years? That act eams long term appointment to me...
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 19, 2019 20:19:08 GMT 1
if Hudson can make a case for him to get the job full time then we should consider him, but I think Phil will want someone who can get results and who has a proven record. Some of the names I've seen are quite frankly pretty scary. Dan Petrescu?  ? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 19, 2019 20:27:03 GMT 1
The list is horrible tbh, Fat moneybags sam Gary Leave all clubs in a mess Rowett |
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Post by crux on Aug 19, 2019 20:29:56 GMT 1
Few outlets reporting we are looking at Dan petrescu I know we're short of a left back, but there must be someone younger about 😂 |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 19, 2019 20:33:20 GMT 1
What would everyone want if the following scenario happened... Hudson comes in as caretaker, plays a desirable team, formation and strong message of old gegenpress high intensity, possession and forward thinking football. Beats Cardiff, and beats Reading, with good solid dominant performances. it's a tough one. I know he's "inexperienced" but, he's played in this division for a large part of his career. played under Wagner, developed and coached under Wagner, as well as seeing differences with Jan Stewart. Would we want him in charge full-time? What if he brought in an experienced no2 ? In the way Venables or Lenny Lawrence were used in later years |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 19, 2019 20:43:12 GMT 1
What would everyone want if the following scenario happened... Hudson comes in as caretaker, plays a desirable team, formation and strong message of old gegenpress high intensity, possession and forward thinking football. Beats Cardiff, and beats Reading, with good solid dominant performances. it's a tough one. I know he's "inexperienced" but, he's played in this division for a large part of his career. played under Wagner, developed and coached under Wagner, as well as seeing differences with Jan Stewart. Would we want him in charge full-time? What if he brought in an experienced no2 ? In the way Venables or Lenny Lawrence were used in later years Good call, and TBH I expect he probably would bring in somebody experienced alongside him. One worry I have though is that lack of a level 5 coaching licence. Managing HTFC and turning things around here is a big job - would that affect him getting his licence (i.e. getting the work done to pass that course)? Ordinarily it wouldn't bother me, but if he's barred from managing in the PL without it, that's an obstacle that would have to be crossed. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 19, 2019 20:44:19 GMT 1
The list is horrible tbh, Fat moneybags sam Gary Leave all clubs in a mess Rowett Yeah, he was shit at Burton & Birmingham wasn't he? FFS |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Aug 19, 2019 20:47:24 GMT 1
Would hate Rowett here. If we didn’t like Siewert because of his stubbourness then we’ll not like this guy! Stoke fans couldn’t wait to get rid of him...and Derby.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 19, 2019 20:47:27 GMT 1
The list is horrible tbh, Fat moneybags sam Gary Leave all clubs in a mess Rowett Yeah, he was shit at Burton & Birmingham wasn't he? FFS Terrible look how he lshafted brum |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 19, 2019 20:47:42 GMT 1
Hudson sounded really disappointed with Jan leaving in his press conference, especially so soon, Almost said he hasn't been given a chance and sung his praises in how much he has learnt from Jan..... Didnt sound too motivated about taking the role on at all!! Absolutely no passion whatsoever, I think we can count him out as well. I haven't seen the interview yet, but that doesn't surprise me. JS may have been a shit manager but he's a highly respected coach. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 19, 2019 20:52:24 GMT 1
Hudson sounded really disappointed with Jan leaving in his press conference, especially so soon, Almost said he hasn't been given a chance and sung his praises in how much he has learnt from Jan..... Didnt sound too motivated about taking the role on at all!! Absolutely no passion whatsoever, I think we can count him out as well. I haven't seen the interview yet, but that doesn't surprise me. JS may have been a shit manager but he's a highly respected coach. Talked abit better in the rest of the presser. Elphick was pretty clear that Jan's message was confusing and it could have taken 2 or 3 years to crack that style of play and went on to say one session with Hudson and the message is clear. So I see this as backing up the idea hes a very good coach, but as we could all see the message on formation and tactics wasn't clear to the players. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 19, 2019 20:57:23 GMT 1
Yeah, he was shit at Burton & Birmingham wasn't he? FFS Terrible look how he lshafted brum Shafted as in had them fighting for promotion when he was sacked? |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Aug 19, 2019 21:10:17 GMT 1
I don't get some folk.
Some people saying give it Hudson etc.
Same people saying Jan wasn't experienced.
JS is actually more experience than Hudson.
From people around the club I know, Hudson is also a snake. Had a huge amount of respect when playing and captain, but since DW has left, Hudson has lost a lot of respect from people.
It will be Jan the 2nd with Hudson on charge
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 19, 2019 21:13:26 GMT 1
I haven't seen the interview yet, but that doesn't surprise me. JS may have been a shit manager but he's a highly respected coach. Talked abit better in the rest of the presser. Elphick was pretty clear that Jan's message was confusing and it could have taken 2 or 3 years to crack that style of play and went on to say one session with Hudson and the message is clear. So I see this as backing up the idea hes a very good coach, but as we could all see the message on formation and tactics wasn't clear to the players. Where can I hear/read Elphick's comments? TBH, that seems to fit with what I saw - a bunch of players who weren't clear what their role was. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 21:17:11 GMT 1
Yeah, he was shit at Burton & Birmingham wasn't he? FFS Terrible look how he lshafted brum Yeah he took over from Lee Clark who had left them at the bottom of the table and made them promotion contenders. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 19, 2019 21:22:56 GMT 1
Talked abit better in the rest of the presser. Elphick was pretty clear that Jan's message was confusing and it could have taken 2 or 3 years to crack that style of play and went on to say one session with Hudson and the message is clear. So I see this as backing up the idea hes a very good coach, but as we could all see the message on formation and tactics wasn't clear to the players. Where can I hear/read Elphick's comments? TBH, that seems to fit with what I saw - a bunch of players who weren't clear what their role was. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 19, 2019 21:23:43 GMT 1
Yeah, he was shit at Burton & Birmingham wasn't he? FFS Terrible look how he lshafted brum I assume you've got your managers mixed up . Don't forget Rowett came in and saved Birmingham after they were bottom.of the table and losing 8-0 at home... I forget the name of the manager he replaced maybe you can help me ? |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 19, 2019 21:31:16 GMT 1
Yeah, he was shit at Burton & Birmingham wasn't he? FFS Terrible look how he lshafted brum 🤔 On 27 October 2014, Rowett was appointed the manager of his former club, Birmingham City – one place above Blackpool at the bottom of the Championship table. He was joined at Birmingham by Burton backroom staff members Kevin Summerfieldas assistant manager, Mark Sale as first-team coach and Poole as goalkeeping coach. All three are also former Birmingham City players.[10] Rowett guided Birmingham from 21st in the Championship to 10th at the end of his first season, earning many plaudits for the remarkable turnaround in form. Rowett was sacked by Birmingham on 14 December 2016 upon their change of ownership and boardroom team, despite leading the team to 7th in the Championship table and challenging for a play-off place.[11][12] The decision was met with surprise and criticism by Birmingham supporters, with the club appointing Gianfranco Zola as his replacement.[13][14]Zola resigned as Birmingham manager in April 2017, after a sequence of only two wins in 24 games throughout his tenure as manager left the club embroiled in a relegation battle. Who got shafted ? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 19, 2019 21:38:01 GMT 1
Terrible look how he lshafted brum 🤔 On 27 October 2014, Rowett was appointed the manager of his former club, Birmingham City – one place above Blackpool at the bottom of the Championship table. He was joined at Birmingham by Burton backroom staff members Kevin Summerfieldas assistant manager, Mark Sale as first-team coach and Poole as goalkeeping coach. All three are also former Birmingham City players.[10] Rowett guided Birmingham from 21st in the Championship to 10th at the end of his first season, earning many plaudits for the remarkable turnaround in form. Rowett was sacked by Birmingham on 14 December 2016 upon their change of ownership and boardroom team, despite leading the team to 7th in the Championship table and challenging for a play-off place.[11][12] The decision was met with surprise and criticism by Birmingham supporters, with the club appointing Gianfranco Zola as his replacement.[13][14]Zola resigned as Birmingham manager in April 2017, after a sequence of only two wins in 24 games throughout his tenure as manager left the club embroiled in a relegation battle. Who got shafted ? Might of mixed him up ! |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 19, 2019 21:40:39 GMT 1
🤔 On 27 October 2014, Rowett was appointed the manager of his former club, Birmingham City – one place above Blackpool at the bottom of the Championship table. He was joined at Birmingham by Burton backroom staff members Kevin Summerfieldas assistant manager, Mark Sale as first-team coach and Poole as goalkeeping coach. All three are also former Birmingham City players.[10] Rowett guided Birmingham from 21st in the Championship to 10th at the end of his first season, earning many plaudits for the remarkable turnaround in form. Rowett was sacked by Birmingham on 14 December 2016 upon their change of ownership and boardroom team, despite leading the team to 7th in the Championship table and challenging for a play-off place.[11][12] The decision was met with surprise and criticism by Birmingham supporters, with the club appointing Gianfranco Zola as his replacement.[13][14]Zola resigned as Birmingham manager in April 2017, after a sequence of only two wins in 24 games throughout his tenure as manager left the club embroiled in a relegation battle. Who got shafted ? Might of mixed him up ! Tbh that's why I checked Wiki. I knew they'd shafted someone to get Zola in but wasn't sure who |
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Post by royrace on Aug 19, 2019 21:46:09 GMT 1
if Hudson can make a case for him to get the job full time then we should consider him, but I think Phil will want someone who can get results and who has a proven record. Some of the names I've seen are quite frankly pretty scary. Dan Petrescu? ? Hudson should make a good manager one day and he’s clearly ambitious, always been a leader and seems intelligent. He’s also learnt from the maestro. I’d love to see him do well and be given a chance but it’s a tall order. Worked out ok for Eddie Howe, similar careers albeit it Hudson at a higher level. A minor worry would be he started with Diakbenza v Man City and seemingly hadn’t realised why Wagner wasn’t playing them, on the flip side it was a very brave move and a calculated gamble I guess. I expect a 4231 v Cardiff and hopefully a style more reminiscent of a Wagner team. As he says more possession is key and gives you a platform to build from. Won’t be as easy without Mooy mind. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 19, 2019 22:09:14 GMT 1
if Hudson can make a case for him to get the job full time then we should consider him, but I think Phil will want someone who can get results and who has a proven record. Some of the names I've seen are quite frankly pretty scary. Dan Petrescu? ? Hudson should make a good manager one day and he’s clearly ambitious, always been a leader and seems intelligent. He’s also learnt from the maestro. I’d love to see him do well and be given a chance but it’s a tall order. Worked out ok for Eddie Howe, similar careers albeit it Hudson at a higher level. A minor worry would be he started with Diakbenza v Man City and seemingly hadn’t realised why Wagner wasn’t playing them, on the flip side it was a very brave move and a calculated gamble I guess. I expect a 4231 v Cardiff and hopefully a style more reminiscent of a Wagner team. As he says more possession is key and gives you a platform to build from. Won’t be as easy without Mooy mind. Having read Hudson's comments, it seems clear to me that he wants to return to the Wagner style of football - the original gegenpressing style with plenty of energy and a desire to keep possession. Admirable aims, but as you say, it won't be easy without our playmaker. Who' s going to control the midfield? That said, it good to hear him having a clear idea about what he wants to do. Let's hope he can get his message across to the players and see if we can put some decent performances in. If we can do that, hopefully the results will follow. |
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