As now a very infrequent poster

[Deleted]

I am going to have my five penny worth and I actually don't give a monkey's whether it is liked or not !
The vitriol and personal abuse of Jan to me is just a disgrace !
Wagner ,always will be well loved for what he did achieve , abandoned ship at the first sign of crisis . He perhaps did not wish the blemish of a relegation on his CV?
Jan then inherited players who had lost the will to give it their all!
Since then he has been on IMO given little in the way of support from the board or majority of the players still around .
To pick up the pieces of last season s disaster is no mean task !!
For Town fans to be on his back from more or less day one makes me ashamed of them .
Over my decades of following Town this is probably one of the worst "witch hunts" I have experienced .
So me and mine are very firmly in backing Jan and prepared to give him a proper chance to turn our season into a good one.
It might take as has been talked about another transfer window to get the club back on an "even keel" 
In the meantime patience please and less of this vitriol .

[Yorkie]

No vitriol to him, he’s simply not good enough.
Thankfully he won’t be given the time you want him to have and nor should he.

[runner76]

agree that any personal abuse is not called for, and some of the language and abuse towards him has been a bit OTT. However, he has a job to do and many are not sure the signs of pre-season and the games so far show anything like progress that is needed. I will be off Friday and will be supporting Jan and the team - not paying good money to go along with a negative attitude from the off, but let's see if Jan is still there Friday...….!

[Oblong of Dreams]

Some of the things said have been a bit OTT, but last night got me off the fence and into the "Jan out" camp.

The longer it goes on, the worse it'll be for all parties including JS.

[royrace]

Personally I think he's been given a lot of slack considering.
Some of us could see from day one he wasn't up to the job but most were prepared to be very patient.
He's not suitable and the sooner the board take action the better.
Its far from a witch hunt, that's just dramatic nonsense IMO.
I agree any personal insults are out of order, you dont kick a man when he's down and he is doing his absolute best, that's clear to see.
I suspect last night was the straw that broke the camels back for most people, I dread to think how he will go on against Fulham live on Sky if still in charge. I cant see anything other than comprehensive defeat and the crowd will turn.

[Floyds]

His record is appalling and we look less like a team now than when he took over!

It could hardly have gone worse had we tried.

The Town fans have shown remarkable patience with the team and the Club. No wins since February and one win in 2019. No investment in the team/squad and players ostracized and out of favour.

[4 head]

It's got to the point where some town 'fans' want us to lose the next 2 games so Jan leaves.

How is that supporting the club?

I very much hope that we win on Friday. Can you say the same?

[Deleted]

Aug 14, 2019 16:31:41 GMT 1 royrace said:

Personally I think he's been given a lot of slack considering.
Some of us could see from day one he wasn't up to the job but most were prepared to be very patient.
He's not suitable and the sooner the board take action the better.
Its far from a witch hunt, that's just dramatic nonsense IMO.
I agree any personal insults are out of order, you dont kick a man when he's down and he is doing his absolute best, that's clear to see.
I suspect last night was the straw that broke the camels back for most people, I dread to think how he will go on against Fulham live on Sky if still in charge. I cant see anything other than comprehensive defeat and the crowd will turn.

correct

[drumriggend]

Its quite simple..
If jan is still in charge v. Fulham..
We will lose..
🥴

[El Mel]

We will sack him, then, when we don't appoint Hughton or Jokanevic, after a couple of defeats we'll be back to where we are now with fans bemoaning a lack of ambition from 'Potless Phil'

If the football fails to entertain, sit back with a glass of vino tinto and surf #htafc on the interweb.

[dugnet]

For every vitriolic comment, that isn't acceptable, there are many many more expressing a considered opinion of why people have significant misgivings about Jan's capability.

Abuse isn't helpful I agree but this isn't personal, it's professional, he's not showing himself to be up to the required level.

[Nickhudds.UTT]

Agree re the insults not called for but the bloke is simply way out of his depth.
He has lost the players.
He is totally clueless on tactics.
He has won one game, one single game 1-0 ! Since 6 months in charge.
He was actually getting funny with part of the crowd last night according to my mate.

Time to get rid as he is taking the club one way, ..... Down, down, deeper i and down.

[townrwe]

Aug 14, 2019 16:41:51 GMT 1 4 head said:

It's got to the point where some town 'fans' want us to lose the next 2 games so Jan leaves.

How is that supporting the club?

I very much hope that we win on Friday. Can you say the same?

I can see the players seeing it the same way.... poor performances in the next two and we will get someone who knows what they are doing.

[drumriggend]

Its obvious he has lost the players..
On tuesday he lost the support of the crowd..
His position is untenable..
Chairman needs to send him on his way..
For jans sake as much as owt..
Dont want to see the bloke publicly humiliated on fri..
Get it done phil..
👍

[dugnet]

Aug 14, 2019 16:47:55 GMT 1 El Mel said:

We will sack him, then, when we don't appoint Hughton or Jokanevic, after a couple of defeats we'll be back to where we are now with fans bemoaning a lack of ambition from 'Potless Phil'

If the football fails to entertain, sit back with a glass of vino tinto and surf #htafc on the interweb.

Well let the first part of that equation happen first. The the new man will have to demonstrate he is capable of setting a team up and getting some results, but with the players he has.

The lack of ambition is a concern and the fact PH is here could be said to be the most pertinent evidence of this.

Vino is probably best enjoyed while not being on the internet.

[Deleted]

Aug 14, 2019 16:50:30 GMT 1 Nickhudds.UTT said:

Agree re the insults not called for but the bloke is simply way out of his depth.
He has lost the players.
He is totally clueless on tactics.
He has won one game, one single game 1-0 ! Since 6 months in charge.
He was actually getting funny with part of the crowd last night according to my mate.

Time to get rid as he is taking the club one way, ..... Down, down, deeper i and down.

Were his jokes as funny as yours, Nick?

[Leporid]

Aug 14, 2019 16:23:54 GMT 1 @ksne3 said:

I am going to have my five penny worth and I actually don't give a monkey's whether it is liked or not !
The vitriol and personal abuse of Jan to me is just a disgrace !
Wagner ,always will be well loved for what he did achieve , abandoned ship at the first sign of crisis . He perhaps did not wish the blemish of a relegation on his CV?
Jan then inherited players who had lost the will to give it their all!
Since then he has been on IMO given little in the way of support from the board or majority of the players still around .
To pick up the pieces of last season s disaster is no mean task !!
For Town fans to be on his back from more or less day one makes me ashamed of them .
Over my decades of following Town this is probably one of the worst "witch hunts" I have experienced .
So me and mine are very firmly in backing Jan and prepared to give him a proper chance to turn our season into a good one.
It might take as has been talked about another transfer window to get the club back on an "even keel" 
In the meantime patience please and less of this vitriol .

You are, of course, accurate in your summation.

[huddersfc]

I dont agree with any personal abuse, nor will I boo at a game towards my own players or manager, but I am long past backing Jan. There is literally nothing positive I can think of in terms of him as our manager. I have seen nothing in his 18 games in charge that give me any hope he can turn it around. He came in and nobody expected anything other than us being relegated, so he had his first 15 games as a free swing, to put his stamp on the team, and show he had enough about him to motivate the players again and pick them up to show what they are capable of. A recent example is when Darren Moore came in when West Brom were pretty much down and had barely won a game all season. The players were down, they were used to losing, but he came in, and showed that he was capable of picking them back up again and looking like a football team. I didnt expect us to copy them exactly, but I expected to see the same fight, and motivation and some ability from the manager to at least have a bit of a bounce in our play and form. We seemingly wasted those 15 games and instead of picking players up, and getting them back to form, it looks like all he did was fall out with players so much so that they went and did what they did and said what they said. His substitutions, tactics, formation, starting line ups, and pretty much everything else were baffling, and certainly not what you would expect from someone who had just walked into a premier league job. He has had a full pre-season and transfer window to drill his tactics, his coaching and his ideas into the players, something which I personally wouldnt have given him. He also has the advantage of playing teams not even close to the same level as last season, yet his team look worse and his decisions even more baffling. If I was Jan and had any hope of a management career, I would quit, citing lack of investment of something along those lines, and go and work with a decent manager before applying for a job, because if he gets sacked with 1 win in 18 I cant see any team touching him again. If our current chairman cant see these faults that have been there since day 1, and he is enjoying watching us under Jan, then he will be only 1 of few people watching us go down to league 1 by May 2020.

[space hardware]

Aug 14, 2019 16:23:54 GMT 1 @ksne3 said:

I am going to have my five penny worth and I actually don't give a monkey's whether it is liked or not !
The vitriol and personal abuse of Jan to me is just a disgrace !
Wagner ,always will be well loved for what he did achieve , abandoned ship at the first sign of crisis . He perhaps did not wish the blemish of a relegation on his CV?
Jan then inherited players who had lost the will to give it their all!
Since then he has been on IMO given little in the way of support from the board or majority of the players still around .
To pick up the pieces of last season s disaster is no mean task !!
For Town fans to be on his back from more or less day one makes me ashamed of them .
Over my decades of following Town this is probably one of the worst "witch hunts" I have experienced .
So me and mine are very firmly in backing Jan and prepared to give him a proper chance to turn our season into a good one.
It might take as has been talked about another transfer window to get the club back on an "even keel" 
In the meantime patience please and less of this vitriol .

I don't think this was the case at all. Pretty much every Town fan gave him a fair crack of the whip, even up until the start of this season.

When you look at his record the cold, hard facts show that he's been a disastrous appointment and there's no sign of any improvement. If anything, things look like they could get worse.

[kennyk2]

Aug 14, 2019 16:23:54 GMT 1 @ksne3 said:

I am going to have my five penny worth and I actually don't give a monkey's whether it is liked or not !
The vitriol and personal abuse of Jan to me is just a disgrace !
Wagner ,always will be well loved for what he did achieve , abandoned ship at the first sign of crisis . He perhaps did not wish the blemish of a relegation on his CV?
Jan then inherited players who had lost the will to give it their all!
Since then he has been on IMO given little in the way of support from the board or majority of the players still around .
To pick up the pieces of last season s disaster is no mean task !!
For Town fans to be on his back from more or less day one makes me ashamed of them .
Over my decades of following Town this is probably one of the worst "witch hunts" I have experienced .
So me and mine are very firmly in backing Jan and prepared to give him a proper chance to turn our season into a good one.
It might take as has been talked about another transfer window to get the club back on an "even keel" 
In the meantime patience please and less of this vitriol .

👏

[bluedogs, Esq.]

Mick Wadsworth was given time 

[Deleted]

Aug 14, 2019 16:29:10 GMT 1 runner76 said:

agree that any personal abuse is not called for, and some of the language and abuse towards him has been a bit OTT. However, he has a job to do and many are not sure the signs of pre-season and the games so far show anything like progress that is needed. I will be off Friday and will be supporting Jan and the team - not paying good money to go along with a negative attitude from the off, but let's see if Jan is still there Friday...….!

When did we last go through a pre-season unbeaten as we did this time?

[brodie81]

Aug 14, 2019 16:47:14 GMT 1 drumriggend said:

Its quite simple..
If jan is still in charge v. Fulham..
We will lose..
🥴

I’m not sure we will lose though,which wouldn’t be good as jan would be given more games.

[runner76]

Aug 14, 2019 17:19:27 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Aug 14, 2019 16:29:10 GMT 1 runner76 said:

agree that any personal abuse is not called for, and some of the language and abuse towards him has been a bit OTT. However, he has a job to do and many are not sure the signs of pre-season and the games so far show anything like progress that is needed. I will be off Friday and will be supporting Jan and the team - not paying good money to go along with a negative attitude from the off, but let's see if Jan is still there Friday...….!

When did we last go through a pre-season unbeaten as we did this time?

as in, the pre-season shows no signs of having any effect on improving the situation. Just badly worded. You know, basically we look shit still.

[terryya]

He's had loads of time to get his ideas and systems across and considering the results I think the support has been unbelievable.

However, along with lots of others, last night was the tipping point for me. The first two games were poor as well and the players look clueless.

Jan seems like I good guy, but at this moment not a good manager.

[space hardware]

Aug 14, 2019 17:17:11 GMT 1 bluedogs, Esq. said:

Mick Wadsworth was given time 

We tried to sack him but couldn't afford to. History might be repeating itself with Siewert 😂

[Deleted]

Aug 14, 2019 17:25:57 GMT 1 runner76 said:

Aug 14, 2019 17:19:27 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

When did we last go through a pre-season unbeaten as we did this time?

as in, the pre-season shows no signs of having any effect on improving the situation. Just badly worded. You know, basically we look shit still.

Really? Remember last season losing at Werder Bremen, Real Betis and 3 bloody nil at Accrington Stanley. This season to date we have a point away at QPR and a narrow home defeat against Derby play off finalists from last season. Last nights showing against Lincoln diabolical as it was was mainly youngsters. If on Friday the players don't put in a good performance then I might start getting worried.

[yorkie1]

It is not a witch hunt. It’s a clown shoot

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 14, 2019 17:40:50 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Aug 14, 2019 17:25:57 GMT 1 runner76 said:

as in, the pre-season shows no signs of having any effect on improving the situation. Just badly worded. You know, basically we look shit still.

Really? Remember last season losing at Werder Bremen, Real Betis and 3 bloody nil at Accrington Stanley. This season to date we have a point away at QPR and a narrow home defeat against Derby play off finalists from last season. Last nights showing against Lincoln diabolical as it was was mainly youngsters. If on Friday the players don't put in a good performance then I might start getting worried.

Codd are you really saying we should persist with this guy based on pre season friendlies ? Your loyalty to the cause is always evident but if we carry on with this guy we are heading down down down . Did you really come out of the Derby game enthused ? They opened us up at will. Then shut up shop and watched us huff and puff. QPR looked a little better first half but they still could have scored three . After we scored they absolutely bossed it and should have comfortably won the game. I'm forgetting yesterday all it serves to inform is that he can send out multiple teams to play a weird 4 3 3 with little aplomb. But as such you are right it doesn't really affect anything for Friday. Apart from the atmosphere is now toxic (too toxic granted.. OTT reactions and shocking personal abuse ) . But I would wager money that PH has either decided in his head that jan is going.. or that he will get shut if next 1 or 2 games don't go to plan .. He's a town fan and can see how bad it is... although I didn't expect anything of Jan in the premier league we took backward steps even from last December.. this season is a continuation of the crud. Pre season friendlies mean nothing.

[Paphos Terrier]

If we beat Fulham its a average/good start to the season.
If we get taken apart then its up to the board to address the situation.
Surely we want Jan to turn it round and become a great Town manager. A new man this stage of the season is no good to anybody.
Surely the players need to get out there and perform, after all they're on a bloody good wage, stop sulking and roll your sleeves up and play for the shirt as if it meant something.