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Post by Floyds on Aug 14, 2019 22:10:23 GMT 1
My memory is they had lost every away game, Town took the lead, they had a man sent off and turned it round for a 2 -1 win. Time might have made it worse than it really was but it was a low point in a very low period. I thought it was 0-1? The only thing I'm sure of, and I'm probably still wrong, is that their goal was scored by the ridiculously named Kelly Haag. Must have been Chester we lost 2-0 to. We were bottom of the league and was one of the lowest crowds - around 4,500 knocking about in Leeds Road. Still - great memories đź‘Ś |
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Post by loumacari on Aug 15, 2019 6:58:46 GMT 1
Good shout regarding Warnock - he, like Buxton 15 years previously and perhaps Jan today, had to clear out some elements of a problematic dressing room. Some of what was allegedly football under Warnock in the autumn of 1993 was shocking - an away cup tie at Port Vale on a Friday evening particularly springs to mind. We made no attempt to play football that night and simply kicked the ball as far from our goal as possible - bizarrely only missed a replay by a couple of minutes. Difference being (most) town fans willing to give him some time because they realised that the guy had a track record of promotions and success. If Siewert had already established an identity and had some success I wouldn't be gunning for him tbh This is the most important thing, he hasn’t done anything anywhere else to suggest we should give him time or that he’s likely to turn it around (his achievements in youth football are absolutely irrelevant because developing young players is totally different to leading a senior team). The fans from the non-league team in Germany that warned us about his destructive nature were sadly absolutely spot on. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Aug 15, 2019 11:27:50 GMT 1
We lost at home, 1-2, Mark Wells scored for Town in front of 5,614. It was our 12th league match, we had won 3 and drawn 3. The return in January was a 1-0 Town win courtesy of Phil Robinson. We finished 11th, 8 points off Burnley in the last play off spot, 24 points shy of champions Reading, Barnet finished bottom with just one away win and 25 points adrift of Blackpool and safety. Aye ok...but did Kelly Haag score for them or did I make that up? No you didn't make it up, we took the lead, they equalised through Phillips who then got sent off on the hour mark before Kelly Haag got the winner - to put it into context of how shite we were Barnet had lost their first 10 league games with 7 scored, 30 conceded and got their first point with a 0-0 draw at home to Cardiff the week before the trip to Huddersfield. On a brighter note our 100% win record without ever conceding would make Barnet statistically our happiest ever hunting ground ! |
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Post by linson on Aug 15, 2019 12:13:12 GMT 1
I think the level of vitriol is commensurate with the negligence that has gone on behind the scenes.
Let's look at what should have been our best line-up from last season:
RVLP Grant Pritchard
Mooy Hogg Billing
Lowe Kongolo Schindler Smith
Lossl
Now compare that to the standard of the XI we have playing for us:
Quaner Grant Diakhaby
Bacuna Hogg O'Brien
Kongolo Elphick Schindler Flo
Grabara
Forget about Siewert and Hodgkinson for just a moment and focus purely on the quality difference. If we'd have kept that squad and starting XI together we wouldn't be having the problems we have now. Simple.
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Billing
Depoitre
Durm
Jorgensen
Lossl
Mooy
Payne
Smith
Williams
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Bockhorn (downgrade on Smith / Flo)
R Brown (downgrade on Mooy)
Campbell (yet to be seen)
Chalobah (downgrade on Billing)
Koroma (downgrade)
Grabara
Elphick
The crimes of this transfer window are plain for all to see. We've successfully converted our team from a tactically poor mediocre premier league side to a tactically poor shamefully inept paper thin League 1 side by systematically getting rid of our best players, keeping and even promoting our deadwood and replacing quality with youth squad material.
And the worst thing about it is it was completely avoidable. If we'd have planned properly with our finances and made sure we kept as much of the squad together as possible we could have been going in to this season with the required quality to compete.
The damage is already done, Schindler and Kongolo will want out before long, then Grant and Hogg will become unhappy.
We can all be geniuses with hindsight and retrospect but the mistakes that have been made are outrageous, the club is in free fall and the fans have every right to be angry.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 15, 2019 13:36:24 GMT 1
I thought it was 0-1? The only thing I'm sure of, and I'm probably still wrong, is that their goal was scored by the ridiculously named Kelly Haag. Must have been Chester we lost 2-0 to. We were bottom of the league and was one of the lowest crowds - around 4,500 knocking about in Leeds Road. Still - great memories đź‘Ś I was at that game. And I was at the protest outside the ground after it. Christ on a bike we were crap in those days. Wasn't during Warnock's reign though. Ian Ross was in charge then. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 15, 2019 14:06:39 GMT 1
The one thing that the poor bloke can't be blamed for is signing Mbenza, Diakahby and Bacuna - who thinks he is a far better player than he is. Whoever thought that these three were footballers good enough for any league, never mind the Premier League ought to own up now and at least take some of the blame. All three are a complete waste of money and a place in the team - Bacuna flatters to deceive, the other two........words fail me!! Bacuna is a bizarre one. He has looked excellent at times, with incisive forward passing and some decent turns and runs. Just the next game he's strolling around, turning into trouble, badly timing his tackles and passing the ball 5 yards straight to their man. I don't think I have ever seen a player vary their form so drastically in such a short space of time. Totally erratic. Most overrated player in DATM history! He has showed flashes of being a decent player, that's all. I think the bar was so low last season people got a bit giddy that we'd managed to sign a player who at least wasn't total dog shit. He may come good but this season he's played like a caricature of himself, brilliant one second, atrocious the next. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 14:25:20 GMT 1
I think the level of vitriol is commensurate with the negligence that has gone on behind the scenes. Let's look at what should have been our best line-up from last season: RVLP Grant Pritchard Mooy Hogg Billing Lowe Kongolo Schindler Smith Lossl Now compare that to the standard of the XI we have playing for us: Quaner Grant Diakhaby Bacuna Hogg O'Brien Kongolo Elphick Schindler Flo Grabara Forget about Siewert and Hodgkinson for just a moment and focus purely on the quality difference. If we'd have kept that squad and starting XI together we wouldn't be having the problems we have now. Simple. Out Billing Depoitre Durm Jorgensen Lossl Mooy Payne Smith Williams In Bockhorn (downgrade on Smith / Flo) R Brown (downgrade on Mooy) Campbell (yet to be seen) Chalobah (downgrade on Billing) Koroma (downgrade) Grabara Elphick The crimes of this transfer window are plain for all to see. We've successfully converted our team from a tactically poor mediocre premier league side to a tactically poor shamefully inept paper thin League 1 side by systematically getting rid of our best players, keeping and even promoting our deadwood and replacing quality with youth squad material. And the worst thing about it is it was completely avoidable. If we'd have planned properly with our finances and made sure we kept as much of the squad together as possible we could have been going in to this season with the required quality to compete. The damage is already done, Schindler and Kongolo will want out before long, then Grant and Hogg will become unhappy. We can all be geniuses with hindsight and retrospect but the mistakes that have been made are outrageous, the club is in free fall and the fans have every right to be angry. Just wondering, why have you put Quaner in a starting line up? He has yet to start a single game this season. Plus Pritchard has started in both league games.  |
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Post by linson on Aug 15, 2019 15:58:54 GMT 1
I think the level of vitriol is commensurate with the negligence that has gone on behind the scenes. Let's look at what should have been our best line-up from last season: RVLP Grant Pritchard Mooy Hogg Billing Lowe Kongolo Schindler Smith Lossl Now compare that to the standard of the XI we have playing for us: Quaner Grant Diakhaby Bacuna Hogg O'Brien Kongolo Elphick Schindler Flo Grabara Forget about Siewert and Hodgkinson for just a moment and focus purely on the quality difference. If we'd have kept that squad and starting XI together we wouldn't be having the problems we have now. Simple. Out Billing Depoitre Durm Jorgensen Lossl Mooy Payne Smith Williams In Bockhorn (downgrade on Smith / Flo) R Brown (downgrade on Mooy) Campbell (yet to be seen) Chalobah (downgrade on Billing) Koroma (downgrade) Grabara Elphick The crimes of this transfer window are plain for all to see. We've successfully converted our team from a tactically poor mediocre premier league side to a tactically poor shamefully inept paper thin League 1 side by systematically getting rid of our best players, keeping and even promoting our deadwood and replacing quality with youth squad material. And the worst thing about it is it was completely avoidable. If we'd have planned properly with our finances and made sure we kept as much of the squad together as possible we could have been going in to this season with the required quality to compete. The damage is already done, Schindler and Kongolo will want out before long, then Grant and Hogg will become unhappy. We can all be geniuses with hindsight and retrospect but the mistakes that have been made are outrageous, the club is in free fall and the fans have every right to be angry. Just wondering, why have you put Quaner in a starting line up? He has yet to start a single game this season. Plus Pritchard has started in both league games. Of all the points I made that's the one you pick up on? Quaner seems to be getting a disproportionate amount of game time that's why I've put him there... He would've been first on my hit list to move on in the summer. I have no idea why he's still here, I don't think I've ever seen a professional footballer off so little and get so much game time. The definition of stealing a living. |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Aug 15, 2019 16:35:24 GMT 1
Would it be possible to get an experienced coach in along side Jan to help him out. His ego might make him walk but surely it has got to help. A bit like Terry Venables giving Brian Robson a hand at Middlesboro
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:00:10 GMT 1
Just wondering, why have you put Quaner in a starting line up? He has yet to start a single game this season. Plus Pritchard has started in both league games. Of all the points I made that's the one you pick up on? Quaner seems to be getting a disproportionate amount of game time that's why I've put him there... He would've been first on my hit list to move on in the summer. I have no idea why he's still here, I don't think I've ever seen a professional footballer off so little and get so much game time. The definition of stealing a living. I could have taken issue over a number of points, such as the improbability/impossibility of keeping last seasons squad together. I just found it strange you singled out Quaner, came on in the 89th minute against Derby and with less than 15 minutes left on the clock against QPR. Hardly 'much game time'. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 15, 2019 17:33:18 GMT 1
We lost at home, 1-2, Mark Wells scored for Town in front of 5,614. It was our 12th league match, we had won 3 and drawn 3. The return in January was a 1-0 Town win courtesy of Phil Robinson. We finished 11th, 8 points off Burnley in the last play off spot, 24 points shy of champions Reading, Barnet finished bottom with just one away win and 25 points adrift of Blackpool and safety. Aye ok...but did Kelly Haag score for them or did I make that up? and did they have a man sent off? |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 15, 2019 17:38:21 GMT 1
Just wondering, why have you put Quaner in a starting line up? He has yet to start a single game this season. Plus Pritchard has started in both league games. Of all the points I made that's the one you pick up on? Quaner seems to be getting a disproportionate amount of game time that's why I've put him there... He would've been first on my hit list to move on in the summer. I have no idea why he's still here, I don't think I've ever seen a professional footballer off so little and get so much game time. The definition of stealing a living. Kachunga has been more prominent than Quaner. Something that actually that strengthens your point. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:46:39 GMT 1
I think the level of vitriol is commensurate with the negligence that has gone on behind the scenes. Let's look at what should have been our best line-up from last season: RVLP Grant Pritchard Mooy Hogg Billing Lowe Kongolo Schindler Smith Lossl Now compare that to the standard of the XI we have playing for us: Quaner Grant Diakhaby Bacuna Hogg O'Brien Kongolo Elphick Schindler Flo Grabara Forget about Siewert and Hodgkinson for just a moment and focus purely on the quality difference. If we'd have kept that squad and starting XI together we wouldn't be having the problems we have now. Simple. Out Billing Depoitre Durm Jorgensen Lossl Mooy Payne Smith Williams In Bockhorn (downgrade on Smith / Flo) R Brown (downgrade on Mooy) Campbell (yet to be seen) Chalobah (downgrade on Billing) Koroma (downgrade) Grabara Elphick The crimes of this transfer window are plain for all to see. We've successfully converted our team from a tactically poor mediocre premier league side to a tactically poor shamefully inept paper thin League 1 side by systematically getting rid of our best players, keeping and even promoting our deadwood and replacing quality with youth squad material. And the worst thing about it is it was completely avoidable. If we'd have planned properly with our finances and made sure we kept as much of the squad together as possible we could have been going in to this season with the required quality to compete. The damage is already done, Schindler and Kongolo will want out before long, then Grant and Hogg will become unhappy. We can all be geniuses with hindsight and retrospect but the mistakes that have been made are outrageous, the club is in free fall and the fans have every right to be angry.
Your comment " systematically getting rid of our best players " !! Pray tell, How would you have made them stay, How would you have stopped the players from joining Prem clubs, How would you have made Lowe stay when his family wanted to return home ?
Where would you build the cage to keep the players, And if you had kept the players, By paying prem wages in the 2nd tier, And we didn't go up again this season, When do you think we would be entering administration again ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:49:21 GMT 1
Of all the points I made that's the one you pick up on? Quaner seems to be getting a disproportionate amount of game time that's why I've put him there... He would've been first on my hit list to move on in the summer. I have no idea why he's still here, I don't think I've ever seen a professional footballer off so little and get so much game time. The definition of stealing a living. Kachunga has been more prominent than Quaner. Something that actually that strengthens your point. I agree. However it was super sub Kachunga fouled in the box that led to a point at QPR.  |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 15, 2019 17:55:31 GMT 1
Kachunga has been more prominent than Quaner. Something that actually that strengthens your point. I agree. However it was super sub Kachunga fouled in the box that led to a point at QPR. I want Kachunga to do well, he is one of the few left from the promotion season but honestly, watching him the other night just running round like a headless chicken broke my heart. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 15, 2019 17:57:07 GMT 1
What personal vitriol and abuse has Jan received in his time here ? What happened at the Lincoln game as I am not aware of any previously ?
I haven't seen any reports in the media so could have missed it.
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 15, 2019 19:19:48 GMT 1
Just wondering, why have you put Quaner in a starting line up? He has yet to start a single game this season. Plus Pritchard has started in both league games. Of all the points I made that's the one you pick up on? Quaner seems to be getting a disproportionate amount of game time that's why I've put him there... He would've been first on my hit list to move on in the summer. I have no idea why he's still here, I don't think I've ever seen a professional footballer off so little and get so much game time. The definition of stealing a living. More odd is that you have Pritchard as an example of last year’s Town team but have excluded him from this year’s team, even though he has started both league games. |
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Post by Champers on Aug 15, 2019 20:14:57 GMT 1
Aye ok...but did Kelly Haag score for them or did I make that up? and did they have a man sent off? Yep, after they equalised 👍🏼 |
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 15, 2019 21:33:17 GMT 1
I think the level of vitriol is commensurate with the negligence that has gone on behind the scenes. Let's look at what should have been our best line-up from last season: RVLP Grant Pritchard Mooy Hogg Billing Lowe Kongolo Schindler Smith Lossl Now compare that to the standard of the XI we have playing for us: Quaner Grant Diakhaby Bacuna Hogg O'Brien Kongolo Elphick Schindler Flo Grabara Forget about Siewert and Hodgkinson for just a moment and focus purely on the quality difference. If we'd have kept that squad and starting XI together we wouldn't be having the problems we have now. Simple. Out Billing Depoitre Durm Jorgensen Lossl Mooy Payne Smith Williams In Bockhorn (downgrade on Smith / Flo) R Brown (downgrade on Mooy) Campbell (yet to be seen) Chalobah (downgrade on Billing) Koroma (downgrade) Grabara Elphick The crimes of this transfer window are plain for all to see. We've successfully converted our team from a tactically poor mediocre premier league side to a tactically poor shamefully inept paper thin League 1 side by systematically getting rid of our best players, keeping and even promoting our deadwood and replacing quality with youth squad material. And the worst thing about it is it was completely avoidable. If we'd have planned properly with our finances and made sure we kept as much of the squad together as possible we could have been going in to this season with the required quality to compete. The damage is already done, Schindler and Kongolo will want out before long, then Grant and Hogg will become unhappy. We can all be geniuses with hindsight and retrospect but the mistakes that have been made are outrageous, the club is in free fall and the fans have every right to be angry. and the blame for this lies where!!!.i personally think dean hoyle as to take a lot off the blame and i know im going to get slagged off but who was in charge??. jan seiwert a is being made a scapegoat foe everybody elses faillings i dont know if he can turn it round avnt got a crystal ball but i think he deserves a chance |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 15, 2019 22:00:59 GMT 1
and did they have a man sent off? Yep, after they equalised 👍🏼 I thought my memory was playing tricks but it really was a total shitshow |
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Post by linson on Aug 15, 2019 22:04:36 GMT 1
I think the level of vitriol is commensurate with the negligence that has gone on behind the scenes. Let's look at what should have been our best line-up from last season: RVLP Grant Pritchard Mooy Hogg Billing Lowe Kongolo Schindler Smith Lossl Now compare that to the standard of the XI we have playing for us: Quaner Grant Diakhaby Bacuna Hogg O'Brien Kongolo Elphick Schindler Flo Grabara Forget about Siewert and Hodgkinson for just a moment and focus purely on the quality difference. If we'd have kept that squad and starting XI together we wouldn't be having the problems we have now. Simple. Out Billing Depoitre Durm Jorgensen Lossl Mooy Payne Smith Williams In Bockhorn (downgrade on Smith / Flo) R Brown (downgrade on Mooy) Campbell (yet to be seen) Chalobah (downgrade on Billing) Koroma (downgrade) Grabara Elphick The crimes of this transfer window are plain for all to see. We've successfully converted our team from a tactically poor mediocre premier league side to a tactically poor shamefully inept paper thin League 1 side by systematically getting rid of our best players, keeping and even promoting our deadwood and replacing quality with youth squad material. And the worst thing about it is it was completely avoidable. If we'd have planned properly with our finances and made sure we kept as much of the squad together as possible we could have been going in to this season with the required quality to compete. The damage is already done, Schindler and Kongolo will want out before long, then Grant and Hogg will become unhappy. We can all be geniuses with hindsight and retrospect but the mistakes that have been made are outrageous, the club is in free fall and the fans have every right to be angry.
Your comment " systematically getting rid of our best players " !! Pray tell, How would you have made them stay, How would you have stopped the players from joining Prem clubs, How would you have made Lowe stay when his family wanted to return home ?
Where would you build the cage to keep the players, And if you had kept the players, By paying prem wages in the 2nd tier, And we didn't go up again this season, When do you think we would be entering administration again ?
This is so limited in thought, I'm not advocating caging players to the club FFS. Some of them were bound to leave and that's ok. Maximise profit and reinvest with like for like replacements that the scouts have been monitoring for the past few months / years. For those still in contract, they should have been kept to honour their contracts as it was in the best interest of the club not to get rid of all of our quality. As for wages, ALL contracts above a certain value should have a relegation clause stating that wages will be reduced by X amount to ensure the safety of the club. Sign or don't sign, it's up to the player but how much does the player really want to play for the club, the fans and the badge? There should always be a contingency plan, if this player leaves - this is a list of realistic improvements/equal quality players... If this coach leaves, we want this guy... Etc. You seem to want to blame/attack me for some reason but it's all quite simple really. The club has been reactive, when it should be proactive. If we act like a league one club, we'll become a league one club. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 15, 2019 22:07:08 GMT 1
Kachunga has been more prominent than Quaner. Something that actually that strengthens your point. I agree. However it was super sub Kachunga fouled in the box that led to a point at QPR. A classic example of the exception that proves the rule. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 15, 2019 22:27:45 GMT 1
Of all the points I made that's the one you pick up on? Quaner seems to be getting a disproportionate amount of game time that's why I've put him there... He would've been first on my hit list to move on in the summer. I have no idea why he's still here, I don't think I've ever seen a professional footballer off so little and get so much game time. The definition of stealing a living. More odd is that you have Pritchard as an example of last year’s Town team but have excluded him from this year’s team, even though he has started both league games. Yes its almost as if the post is total bollocks |
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Post by linson on Aug 15, 2019 22:45:20 GMT 1
More odd is that you have Pritchard as an example of last year’s Town team but have excluded him from this year’s team, even though he has started both league games. Yes its almost as if the post is total bollocks So you don't agree the club should be proactive, replace like for like with quality and that the standard of our players has plummeted? Tell me again how the post is "total bollocks"? People coming on to forums and posting rubbish like that just might as well not bother, you've added nothing to the debate or to contemporary thought so why waste your time? |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 15, 2019 22:50:23 GMT 1
Yes its almost as if the post is total bollocks So you don't agree the club should be proactive, replace like for like with quality and that the standard of our players has plummeted? Tell me again how the post is "total bollocks"? People coming on to forums and posting rubbish like that just might as well not bother, you've added nothing to the debate or to contemporary thought so why waste your time? The responses already posted pretty much nailed it without my contribution. But thanks for letting me know what I am allowed and not allowed to pass comment on. |
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