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Aug 14, 2019 17:54:02 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 14, 2019 17:40:50 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Really? Remember last season losing at Werder Bremen, Real Betis and 3 bloody nil at Accrington Stanley. This season to date we have a point away at QPR and a narrow home defeat against Derby play off finalists from last season. Last nights showing against Lincoln diabolical as it was was mainly youngsters. If on Friday the players don't put in a good performance then I might start getting worried.

Codd are you really saying we should persist with this guy based on pre season friendlies ? Your loyalty to the cause is always evident but if we carry on with this guy we are heading down down down . Did you really come out of the Derby game enthused ? They opened us up at will. Then shut up shop and watched us huff and puff. QPR looked a little better first half but they still could have scored three . After we scored they absolutely bossed it and should have comfortably won the game. I'm forgetting yesterday all it serves to inform is that he can send out multiple teams to play a weird 4 3 3 with little aplomb. But as such you are right it doesn't really affect anything for Friday. Apart from the atmosphere is now toxic (too toxic granted.. OTT reactions and shocking personal abuse ) . But I would wager money that PH has either decided in his head that jan is going.. or that he will get shut if next 1 or 2 games don't go to plan .. He's a town fan and can see how bad it is... although I didn't expect anything of Jan in the premier league we took backward steps even from last December.. this season is a continuation of the crud. Pre season friendlies mean nothing.

It was in response to the poster who used the signs of pre-season as a barometer to this season. Am I hell as happy, but i'm prepared to see out a couple of games yet.

Edit. I'm not sure we can lay anything at Jan's door before the back end of January.

[bluedogs, Esq.]

Aug 14, 2019 17:29:10 GMT 1 space hardware said:

Aug 14, 2019 17:17:11 GMT 1 bluedogs, Esq. said:

Mick Wadsworth was given time 

We tried to sack him but couldn't afford to. History might be repeating itself with Siewert 😂

the similarities are remarkable

[htfcsince70]

The one thing that the poor bloke can't be blamed for is signing Mbenza, Diakahby and Bacuna - who thinks he is a far better player than he is. Whoever thought that these three were footballers good enough for any league, never mind the Premier League ought to own up now and at least take some of the blame. All three are a complete waste of money and a place in the team - Bacuna flatters to deceive, the other two........words fail me!!

[specialun]

Aug 14, 2019 16:23:54 GMT 1 @ksne3 said:

I am going to have my five penny worth and I actually don't give a monkey's whether it is liked or not !
The vitriol and personal abuse of Jan to me is just a disgrace !
Wagner ,always will be well loved for what he did achieve , abandoned ship at the first sign of crisis . He perhaps did not wish the blemish of a relegation on his CV?
Jan then inherited players who had lost the will to give it their all!
Since then he has been on IMO given little in the way of support from the board or majority of the players still around .
To pick up the pieces of last season s disaster is no mean task !!
For Town fans to be on his back from more or less day one makes me ashamed of them .
Over my decades of following Town this is probably one of the worst "witch hunts" I have experienced .
So me and mine are very firmly in backing Jan and prepared to give him a proper chance to turn our season into a good one.
It might take as has been talked about another transfer window to get the club back on an "even keel" 
In the meantime patience please and less of this vitriol .

Infrequent but always offer a good reasoned opinion

I don’t rate him that highly ... But hands tied / thrown under the bus by the Board who must take full responsibility not only for the disastrous campaign last season following underinvestment and cheap gambles (they were cheap in today’s market) and worse still the debacle of this summer

Some expected we’d be challenging for the top 6 - nonsense

The team is worse, the squad isn’t better and the manager isn’t Wagner in that promotion year

But if the fans really want Chris Powell, Mark Robins or Andy Ritchie ... that is the reality if he goes ...or shall we give this guy a chance

Forget a top name that won’t happen - you’re back in cloud cuckoo land

I hope he can scrape through ...if we’re somehow lower mid table by Christmas with this team/squad he’s doing well imo

[Chips Longhorn]

Robins Ritchie and Powell have all achieved promotions. What's the evidence Siewert is in their league ?

[froggyterrier]

Aug 14, 2019 16:23:54 GMT 1 @ksne3 said:

I am going to have my five penny worth and I actually don't give a monkey's whether it is liked or not !
The vitriol and personal abuse of Jan to me is just a disgrace !
Wagner ,always will be well loved for what he did achieve , abandoned ship at the first sign of crisis . He perhaps did not wish the blemish of a relegation on his CV?
Jan then inherited players who had lost the will to give it their all!
Since then he has been on IMO given little in the way of support from the board or majority of the players still around .
To pick up the pieces of last season s disaster is no mean task !!
For Town fans to be on his back from more or less day one makes me ashamed of them .
Over my decades of following Town this is probably one of the worst "witch hunts" I have experienced .
So me and mine are very firmly in backing Jan and prepared to give him a proper chance to turn our season into a good one.
It might take as has been talked about another transfer window to get the club back on an "even keel" 
In the meantime patience please and less of this vitriol .

You do not have to be a genius to steady a ship like Town were.

You have to be quite shite to make it worse.

Jan Seiwert has made things worse.

[Tinpot]

Aug 14, 2019 17:17:11 GMT 1 bluedogs, Esq. said:

Mick Wadsworth was given time 

So was Neil Warnock. Sometimes patience with a manager that's not doing well can pay dividends. I'm just struggling to see any light at the end of the tunnel.

I want this to work for him. I really do. But for that I need something to justify my backing. A good performance. Even a spawny, undeserved win. Just something to give some hope that we might have turned the corner.

How many more games do we wait for that?

[hypotenuse]

Good shout regarding Warnock - he, like Buxton 15 years previously and perhaps Jan today, had to clear out some elements of a problematic dressing room.
Some of what was allegedly football under Warnock in the autumn of 1993 was shocking - an away cup tie at Port Vale on a Friday evening particularly springs to mind. We made no attempt to play football that night and simply kicked the ball as far from our goal as possible - bizarrely only missed a replay by a couple of minutes.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 14, 2019 18:32:26 GMT 1 hypotenuse said:

Good shout regarding Warnock - he, like Buxton 15 years previously and perhaps Jan today, had to clear out some elements of a problematic dressing room.
Some of what was allegedly football under Warnock in the autumn of 1993 was shocking - an away cup tie at Port Vale on a Friday evening particularly springs to mind. We made no attempt to play football that night and simply kicked the ball as far from our goal as possible - bizarrely only missed a replay by a couple of minutes.

Difference being (most) town fans willing to give him some time because they realised that the guy had a track record of promotions and success. If Siewert had already established an identity and had some success I wouldn't be gunning for him tbh

[Tinpot]

Aug 14, 2019 18:32:26 GMT 1 hypotenuse said:

Good shout regarding Warnock - he, like Buxton 15 years previously and perhaps Jan today, had to clear out some elements of a problematic dressing room.
Some of what was allegedly football under Warnock in the autumn of 1993 was shocking - an away cup tie at Port Vale on a Friday evening particularly springs to mind. We made no attempt to play football that night and simply kicked the ball as far from our goal as possible - bizarrely only missed a replay by a couple of minutes.

I'll always have a "soft spot" for the home game v Barnet when we were comfortably beaten by a side that was breaking all kinds of records for being shit.

Warnock DID turn it around though. I live in hope that Jan will too, but it's an increasingly faint hope.

[Floyds]

Was the Barnet home defeat 2-0, against a side that hadn't won away for over a year? I remember losing at home to Chester around the same time in similar circumstances.

[Clark W Griswald (CAS)]

Aug 14, 2019 16:47:14 GMT 1 drumriggend said:

Its quite simple..
If jan is still in charge v. Fulham..
We will lose..
🥴

I hope not pal, me n mines first game. He must be feeling the heat so let's see if he can stand it UTT

[Headless Chicken]

Aug 14, 2019 18:08:54 GMT 1 htfcsince70 said:

The one thing that the poor bloke can't be blamed for is signing Mbenza, Diakahby and Bacuna - who thinks he is a far better player than he is. Whoever thought that these three were footballers good enough for any league, never mind the Premier League ought to own up now and at least take some of the blame. All three are a complete waste of money and a place in the team - Bacuna flatters to deceive, the other two........words fail me!!

Bacuna is a bizarre one. He has looked excellent at times, with incisive forward passing and some decent turns and runs. Just the next game he's strolling around, turning into trouble, badly timing his tackles and passing the ball 5 yards straight to their man.

I don't think I have ever seen a player vary their form so drastically in such a short space of time. Totally erratic.

[28901]

Aug 14, 2019 18:49:37 GMT 1 Floyds said:

Was the Barnet home defeat 2-0, against a side that hadn't won away for over a year? I remember losing at home to Chester around the same time in similar circumstances.

My memory is they had lost every away game, Town took the lead, they had a man sent off and turned it round for a 2 -1 win. Time might have made it worse than it really was but it was a low point in a very low period.

[Armchair Pundit]

Warnock had a plan. Set the team up to get results. And had a track record of getting teams promoted.

Siewert has no plan. I just don’t understand how he sets the team up. And he has no track record for anything in football.

When he came in I gave him time to set up his own team and style. I expected to lose in the Premier League. But thought we would at least be trying to impose our game on other teams.
3 games in and it is clear that none of the players have a clue what to do. They are getting frustrated and looking for guidance from the bench. And all they see is Jan with his arms crossed with no answers.

Time to go. I just don’t think he is the one for us.

What I do think is a disgrace is any personal abuse. I have seen some posts online calling him a Cun¥ (¥=t)
This is unacceptable and people need to wind their necks in.

[Clark W Griswald (CAS)]

As usual a good rational post KSNE. I'm still on the fence but for how long I don't know tbh. I was sort of hoping along with most we'd got another DW but it's not looking good is it. What I don't want is to go back to the old routine of picking a manager who's just fallen off the roundabout but what the alternative is I'm unsure. What I do hate though is personal abuse, just no need

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Aug 14, 2019 17:29:10 GMT 1 space hardware said:

Aug 14, 2019 17:17:11 GMT 1 bluedogs, Esq. said:

Mick Wadsworth was given time 

We tried to sack him but couldn't afford to. History might be repeating itself with Siewert 😂

Wadsworth was the only manager getting sacked to turn up at his own press conference to announce his dismissal.

[Champers]

Aug 14, 2019 19:02:21 GMT 1 28901 said:

Aug 14, 2019 18:49:37 GMT 1 Floyds said:

Was the Barnet home defeat 2-0, against a side that hadn't won away for over a year? I remember losing at home to Chester around the same time in similar circumstances.

My memory is they had lost every away game, Town took the lead, they had a man sent off and turned it round for a 2 -1 win. Time might have made it worse than it really was but it was a low point in a very low period.

I thought it was 0-1?

The only thing I'm sure of, and I'm probably still wrong, is that their goal was scored by the ridiculously named Kelly Haag.

[Porrohman]

Tbh it's the 2 clowns above him that I'm getting sick off. Winter showed when Hoyle was I'll that he can't run a club and Fat Phil and his ego is like a poundland Mike Ashley

[Mecha Corte]

Aug 14, 2019 19:19:40 GMT 1 Champers said:

Aug 14, 2019 19:02:21 GMT 1 28901 said:

My memory is they had lost every away game, Town took the lead, they had a man sent off and turned it round for a 2 -1 win. Time might have made it worse than it really was but it was a low point in a very low period.

I thought it was 0-1?

The only thing I'm sure of, and I'm probably still wrong, is that their goal was scored by the ridiculously named Kelly Haag.

We lost at home, 1-2, Mark Wells scored for Town in front of 5,614. It was our 12th league match, we had won 3 and drawn 3.

The return in January was a 1-0 Town win courtesy of Phil Robinson.

We finished 11th, 8 points off Burnley in the last play off spot, 24 points shy of champions Reading, Barnet finished bottom with just one away win and 25 points adrift of Blackpool and safety.

[EatonRifles]

I agree that personal abuse is not on, however bad Jan is I don’t believe he comes into work wanting to fail. I truly believe he wants to succeed and for town to play attractive attacking football.
The unfortunate situation is that for some reason it’s not happening, in fact under his tenure it hasn’t happened once. He inherited a team that was completely lacking in confidence, coupled with an unruly destructive element within the team that have done nothing to help his cause.
Some of our best players have now gone and their replacements are certainly nowhere near the football standards or quality of those players that have departed.
All this needs to be taken into account, however, the tactics appear nonexistent, the team selections/omissions are baffling and what I believe is the most damning aspect is that I genuinely think he’s lost the players. I’m not sure he ever had the players on his side, if that was the case he was doomed before he started. If he’s subsequently lost them, I can’t see him winning them back.
I feel he’s in an untenable position and as much as I don’t want my glorious club to sack him, he’s a human being with feelings and responsibilities, but he needs to go for his own good and that of the club.

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Aug 14, 2019 16:28:23 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

No vitriol to him, he’s simply not good enough.
Thankfully he won’t be given the time you want him to have and nor should he.

that's one opinion, flawed but an opinion.

[Tinpot]

Aug 14, 2019 19:02:21 GMT 1 28901 said:

Aug 14, 2019 18:49:37 GMT 1 Floyds said:

Was the Barnet home defeat 2-0, against a side that hadn't won away for over a year? I remember losing at home to Chester around the same time in similar circumstances.

My memory is they had lost every away game, Town took the lead, they had a man sent off and turned it round for a 2 -1 win. Time might have made it worse than it really was but it was a low point in a very low period.

Correct. It was 1-2 after we took the lead.

To add insult to injury I had to fill in for somebody else's paper round that day so I got to the game late. Just climbing the steps up to the terrace when I heard a cheer. I saw both of their bastard goals though!

[k1man999]

Aug 14, 2019 19:27:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Tbh it's the 2 clowns above him that I'm getting sick off. Winter showed when Hoyle was I'll that he can't run a club and Fat Phil and his ego is like a poundland Mike Ashley

We're you sat near me in weatherspoons last night pound land Mike Ashley is what we were saying.
The thing is aswell is the guff the club give out there did not appear too much unrest until Dw went and Jan came in giving it the big I am then the players started to down tools make comments etc.
But it was easier to blame the players for the car crash of a season where Dw was not backed with quality in the summer to build on the season before which lead to him being disillusioned and ultimately leaving.
People behind the scenes are to blame for what's happening winter, Marsh, recruitment etc maybe deano before his illness to some extent. we had a chance to create something but we fucked it up.
Jan is a by product of this mess and seems out of his depth but personal abuse is not acceptable I'm sure he is doing his best it's just that's not good enough for what we want/expect at the moment.

[mayorofcov (BFHB) Honours]

Aug 14, 2019 18:00:57 GMT 1 Paphos Terrier said:

If we beat Fulham its a average/good start to the season.
If we get taken apart then its up to the board to address the situation.
Surely we want Jan to turn it round and become a great Town manager. A new man this stage of the season is no good to anybody.
Surely the players need to get Fulham out there and perform, after all they're on a bloody good wage, stop sulking and roll your sleeves up and play for the shirt as if it meant something.

If we beet Fulham I will eat fish and chips out of Jimmymacs arse

We never win at home and we never win away
We lost last week and we lost to day
We don’t give a fuck cos we’re always on the piss
We are the cowshed boot boys
UTT

[Porrohman]

Aug 14, 2019 20:10:49 GMT 1 k1man999 said:

Aug 14, 2019 19:27:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Tbh it's the 2 clowns above him that I'm getting sick off. Winter showed when Hoyle was I'll that he can't run a club and Fat Phil and his ego is like a poundland Mike Ashley

We're you sat near me in weatherspoons last night pound land Mike Ashley is what we were saying.
The thing is aswell is the guff the club give out there did not appear too much unrest until Dw went and Jan came in giving it the big I am then the players started to down tools make comments etc.
But it was easier to blame the players for the car crash of a season where Dw was not backed with quality in the summer to build on the season before which lead to him being disillusioned and ultimately leaving.
People behind the scenes are to blame for what's happening winter, Marsh, recruitment etc maybe deano before his illness to some extent. we had a chance to create something but we fucked it up.
Jan is a by product of this mess and seems out of his depth but personal abuse is not acceptable I'm sure he is doing his best it's just that's not good enough for what we want/expect at the moment.

No mate, but no one's ever accused me of being original 😉😁

[Yorkie]

Aug 14, 2019 20:02:01 GMT 1 allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) said:

Aug 14, 2019 16:28:23 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

No vitriol to him, he’s simply not good enough.
Thankfully he won’t be given the time you want him to have and nor should he.

that's one opinion, flawed but an opinion.

Are you suggesting the facts say he is good enough as that’s what I was going by?
If he’s sacked in the next 7 days, which he almost certainly will be, it will be due to his performance being not good enough.

[yappledapple]

Aug 14, 2019 18:59:14 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

Aug 14, 2019 18:08:54 GMT 1 htfcsince70 said:

The one thing that the poor bloke can't be blamed for is signing Mbenza, Diakahby and Bacuna - who thinks he is a far better player than he is. Whoever thought that these three were footballers good enough for any league, never mind the Premier League ought to own up now and at least take some of the blame. All three are a complete waste of money and a place in the team - Bacuna flatters to deceive, the other two........words fail me!!

Bacuna is a bizarre one. He has looked excellent at times, with incisive forward passing and some decent turns and runs. Just the next game he's strolling around, turning into trouble, badly timing his tackles and passing the ball 5 yards straight to their man.

I don't think I have ever seen a player vary their form so drastically in such a short space of time. Totally erratic.

When he gets frustrated, he also has little boy temper tantrums and strops when he thinks things aren’t going his way or there’s a decision he thinks is wrong. 

He he will get himself booked every week (have a bet each game, guaranteed win!). Look at last night; talked himself into the book after he argued about the penalty that wasn’t given).

[Leporid]

Aug 14, 2019 17:17:11 GMT 1 bluedogs, Esq. said:

Mick Wadsworth was given time 

Not much, and there were, err, some financial difficulties which made his job thankless. He received a lot of undeserved abuse and hostility from the epsilon class.

[Champers]

Aug 14, 2019 19:38:23 GMT 1 Mecha Corte said:

Aug 14, 2019 19:19:40 GMT 1 Champers said:

I thought it was 0-1?

The only thing I'm sure of, and I'm probably still wrong, is that their goal was scored by the ridiculously named Kelly Haag.

We lost at home, 1-2, Mark Wells scored for Town in front of 5,614. It was our 12th league match, we had won 3 and drawn 3.

The return in January was a 1-0 Town win courtesy of Phil Robinson.

We finished 11th, 8 points off Burnley in the last play off spot, 24 points shy of champions Reading, Barnet finished bottom with just one away win and 25 points adrift of Blackpool and safety.

Aye ok...but did Kelly Haag score for them or did I make that up?