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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 15, 2019 10:06:09 GMT 1
Coming up this morning ! Interesting
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 15, 2019 10:06:59 GMT 1
Coming up this morning ! Interesting why? Imminent news?
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 15, 2019 10:07:52 GMT 1
Coming up this morning ! Interesting why? Imminent news? Yeah had a fall out at Schalke and is coming home.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 15, 2019 10:08:22 GMT 1
Coming up this morning ! Interesting why? Imminent news? Hopefully talk about the mess we are in ?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 15, 2019 10:11:11 GMT 1
Yeah had a fall out at Schalke and is coming home. so he's going back to dortmund then?
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Post by conman on Aug 15, 2019 10:12:13 GMT 1
Yeah had a fall out at Schalke and is coming home. Mourinho did it chelsea..
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Post by detox on Aug 15, 2019 10:12:35 GMT 1
DW is coming back...gengenpressing returns hurrah !
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 15, 2019 10:16:24 GMT 1
He’s not that keen on signing any of the players he’s left behind
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Post by Leporid on Aug 15, 2019 10:16:59 GMT 1
"It makes no sense...."
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Post by dugnet on Aug 15, 2019 10:17:12 GMT 1
What on earth can he say? Beyond a miracle and he is returning (complete fantasy).
He's only likely to say what a great time and he hopes we can move on and upwards.
He isn't going to say "I have no idea why they appointed a complete novice coach, and made Ken Barlow his assistant, it makes no sense"
DW did the impossible, we all love him for it but he also is partly culpable for the lousy transfer activity last season.
I hope he does well and becomes a top European manager.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 15, 2019 10:24:25 GMT 1
Him talking about what happened here is unlikely to help us now or clear up any outstanding "issues" he had here. Similarly anything said by the club about the end of his tenure here will be unhelpful. We are a business that has to move on and just learn from previous good/bad experiences. When a few people know their 'truth' of something and publicise it, it rarely helps. Dave was great, lost his way with us and moved on, we made mistakes as well and we move on. I don't understand the abuse and the idea that everyone at the club is now useless and working against it or even worse? Really am at a loss that some support wish us to lose games or even a single game to hopefully get a manager removed ? If you truly believe we are the 12th Man then we need subbing?
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Post by alexdire on Aug 15, 2019 10:29:23 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Aug 15, 2019 10:29:52 GMT 1
Maybe he wants a right to reply after being blamed for buying Diakbenza and Sobhi then not playing them leading to relegation, I'd be fuming! Unless of course it IS all his fault.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:35:02 GMT 1
What on earth can he say? Beyond a miracle and he is returning (complete fantasy). He's only likely to say what a great time and he hopes we can move on and upwards. He isn't going to say "I have no idea why they appointed a complete novice coach, and made Ken Barlow his assistant, it makes no sense" DW did the impossible, we all love him for it but he also is partly culpable for the lousy transfer activity last season. I hope he does well and becomes a top European manager qoute. there is no bigger fan of him than me a great man and had the privilidge of his conversation on a couple of times but he has gone now and we have moved on mistakes were made by both parties but overall his contribution to our club was imense.WE are where we are and it is up to others to take the club foreward.two league games in and its almost like meltdown.Yes its a difficult time but bloody hell calm down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:37:09 GMT 1
Him talking about what happened here is unlikely to help us now or clear up any outstanding "issues" he had here. Similarly anything said by the club about the end of his tenure here will be unhelpful. We are a business that has to move on and just learn from previous good/bad experiences. When a few people know their 'truth' of something and publicise it, it rarely helps. Dave was great, lost his way with us and moved on, we made mistakes as well and we move on. I don't understand the abuse and the idea that everyone at the club is now useless and working against it or even worse? Really am at a loss that some support wish us to lose games or even a single game to hopefully get a manager removed ? If you truly believe we are the 12th Man then we need subbing? well said
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 15, 2019 10:40:55 GMT 1
Jim white asked if he had a final message for the Huddersfield fans. His response “Stay strong, keep believing”
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Post by dugnet on Aug 15, 2019 10:45:32 GMT 1
Him talking about what happened here is unlikely to help us now or clear up any outstanding "issues" he had here. Similarly anything said by the club about the end of his tenure here will be unhelpful. We are a business that has to move on and just learn from previous good/bad experiences. When a few people know their 'truth' of something and publicise it, it rarely helps. Dave was great, lost his way with us and moved on, we made mistakes as well and we move on. I don't understand the abuse and the idea that everyone at the club is now useless and working against it or even worse? Really am at a loss that some support wish us to lose games or even a single game to hopefully get a manager removed ? If you truly believe we are the 12th Man then we need subbing? I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is!
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Post by dugnet on Aug 15, 2019 10:49:14 GMT 1
Jim white asked if he had a final message for the Huddersfield fans. His response “Stay strong, keep believing” And that is the nub of the problem isn't it? When DW was in charge, even at the end, we all believed. Now we do not. PH and his merry men could do with thinking about that. I posted years ago that belief costs nothing but is the most precious commodity. DW had it in spades and we inherited this from him. We get nothing from PH or JS that inspires belief at all. And maybe we never will....
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 15, 2019 10:53:20 GMT 1
Jim white asked if he had a final message for the Huddersfield fans. His response “Stay strong, keep believing” And that is the nub of the problem isn't it? When DW was in charge, even at the end, we all believed. Now we do not. PH and his merry men could do with thinking about that. I posted years ago that belief costs nothing but is the most precious commodity. DW had it in spades and we inherited this from him. We get nothing from PH or JS that inspires belief at all. And maybe we never will.... Whatever happened to #nolimits eh?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:56:30 GMT 1
Him talking about what happened here is unlikely to help us now or clear up any outstanding "issues" he had here. Similarly anything said by the club about the end of his tenure here will be unhelpful. We are a business that has to move on and just learn from previous good/bad experiences. When a few people know their 'truth' of something and publicise it, it rarely helps. Dave was great, lost his way with us and moved on, we made mistakes as well and we move on. I don't understand the abuse and the idea that everyone at the club is now useless and working against it or even worse? Really am at a loss that some support wish us to lose games or even a single game to hopefully get a manager removed ? If you truly believe we are the 12th Man then we need subbing? I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is! i agree about fans frustrations but at this stage we are over reacting.
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Post by dugnet on Aug 15, 2019 10:58:37 GMT 1
And that is the nub of the problem isn't it? When DW was in charge, even at the end, we all believed. Now we do not. PH and his merry men could do with thinking about that. I posted years ago that belief costs nothing but is the most precious commodity. DW had it in spades and we inherited this from him. We get nothing from PH or JS that inspires belief at all. And maybe we never will.... Whatever happened to #nolimits eh? Indeed - DW lost his belief in that at the end, maybe he knew what the limit was with Town. If it was said at the moment by those in charge it would carry no credence and be entirely hollow. We need to see something that reflects our identity. As it stands our identity is nothing other than a man treading water hoping the lifeboat is about to appear.
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Post by detox on Aug 15, 2019 11:01:43 GMT 1
Unfortunately the DW era ended badly, unnecessarily so due to bad decisions in the board room. All that work ruined by a few gormless faceless twits..
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Post by dugnet on Aug 15, 2019 11:03:13 GMT 1
I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is! i agree about fans frustrations but at this stage we are over reacting. I fundamentally disagree - we need to realise we have made mistakes and have a plan to stabilise and try to use the opportunity the Premier League gave us. To some degree we have wasted part of the opportunity already, but we can address this if we take action now. There is no quick fix, I accept this, but let's at least realise we need to do something. It is not an over reaction to say this and be concerned/disappointed about what is happening.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 15, 2019 11:03:47 GMT 1
Legend told us stay strong !
Wonder what he really thinks of what Sievert is doing and what a mess we are in ?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 15, 2019 11:20:14 GMT 1
Legend told us stay strong ! Wonder what he really thinks of what Sievert is doing and what a mess we are in ? I don't. What he thinks is a total irrelevance. Only one person's view matters at the moment and that is Phil. Based on his track record thus far, I have no clue what he's thinking and no hope he'll get it right.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 15, 2019 11:21:16 GMT 1
Him talking about what happened here is unlikely to help us now or clear up any outstanding "issues" he had here. Similarly anything said by the club about the end of his tenure here will be unhelpful. We are a business that has to move on and just learn from previous good/bad experiences. When a few people know their 'truth' of something and publicise it, it rarely helps. Dave was great, lost his way with us and moved on, we made mistakes as well and we move on. I don't understand the abuse and the idea that everyone at the club is now useless and working against it or even worse? Really am at a loss that some support wish us to lose games or even a single game to hopefully get a manager removed ? If you truly believe we are the 12th Man then we need subbing? I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is! its incredibly worrying but at no point will stating the obvious help because everyone at the club in positions to turn this around is fully aware of it.. going on to abuse or even dennouncing or just making smart arse comments about individuals is really fucking unhelpful and often, on here, pretty childish.. One poster said 'personal abuse is very wrong' then put in the same post a comment about one of the coaches 'having a perma tan and silly hairstyle' ? Then expects anyone to take their post even slightly seriously? The general mood at the club is to me, one of not panicking or doing things merely to placate supporters or throw up a smoke and mirror screen by changing too many things etc.. A very bad time can as easily be worked through as turning everything upside down and hoping a big shake up will change things for you.. I do think we would have been better off coming down the first year as expectations would be easier to manage under the same regime at the club but the circumstances from Deans health to the really awful relegation and unfortunate disagreements within the playing and coaching staff lead us here.. Everyone at the club wants to win games and be successful, its not in anyone;s best interests to be otherwise and the best way out of it that they can try is being tried. I am sure there is a finite amount of time/games for the manager and his staff and in this division its not set in stone given teams lose a few and then go on a run of good results only to fall away again, it happens every season. We may well see changes soon but the clamour and the abuse that appeared towards the end of a useless season and into the off season was totally counter productive imo and continues to be so. Verbal abuse of players and managers produces nothing good..Yes we should be better and doing better and yes there should be some assemblance of a way of playing by now but the circumstances have made that difficult to say the least and I am unfortunately not sure how many of the players are buying into being here never mind playing for the bloke in the chair at the moment. That is more worrying than who is in charge to me but I am not a professional footballer and my work ethic for my wage is probably very different to some of them. Football is pretty fluid once the game starts and I do believe that players who are working their bollocks off can often blatantly move away from the game plan and make it work better if they really want to, whilst mooching about and blatantly not following the plan became a wee bit obvious the other night? Changing the manager might interest one or two of the players but its not a guarantee and we see as many 'upturns' in form for teams with a new boss disappear as we do it become a turn around.. If you seriously believe we will lose and by a few on Friday, dont come, it's unhelpful that the first mis placed pass etc brings a huge moan etc.. It was always to me going to be a tough, long season but as its only just begun the despair and bent towards finding absolutely everything and anything the club say or do being wrong is still premature. UTT
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 15, 2019 11:26:51 GMT 1
I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is! its incredibly worrying but at no point will stating the obvious help because everyone at the club in positions to turn this around is fully aware of it.. going on to abuse or even dennouncing or just making smart arse comments about individuals is really fucking unhelpful and often, on here, pretty childish.. One poster said 'personal abuse is very wrong' then put in the same post a comment about one of the coaches 'having a perma tan and silly hairstyle' ? Then expects anyone to take their post even slightly seriously? The general mood at the club is to me, one of not panicking or doing things merely to placate supporters or throw up a smoke and mirror screen by changing too many things etc.. A very bad time can as easily be worked through as turning everything upside down and hoping a big shake up will change things for you.. I do think we would have been better off coming down the first year as expectations would be easier to manage under the same regime at the club but the circumstances from Deans health to the really awful relegation and unfortunate disagreements within the playing and coaching staff lead us here.. Everyone at the club wants to win games and be successful, its not in anyone;s best interests to be otherwise and the best way out of it that they can try is being tried. I am sure there is a finite amount of time/games for the manager and his staff and in this division its not set in stone given teams lose a few and then go on a run of good results only to fall away again, it happens every season. We may well see changes soon but the clamour and the abuse that appeared towards the end of a useless season and into the off season was totally counter productive imo and continues to be so. Verbal abuse of players and managers produces nothing good..Yes we should be better and doing better and yes there should be some assemblance of a way of playing by now but the circumstances have made that difficult to say the least and I am unfortunately not sure how many of the players are buying into being here never mind playing for the bloke in the chair at the moment. That is more worrying than who is in charge to me but I am not a professional footballer and my work ethic for my wage is probably very different to some of them. Football is pretty fluid once the game starts and I do believe that players who are working their bollocks off can often blatantly move away from the game plan and make it work better if they really want to, whilst mooching about and blatantly not following the plan became a wee bit obvious the other night? Changing the manager might interest one or two of the players but its not a guarantee and we see as many 'upturns' in form for teams with a new boss disappear as we do it become a turn around.. If you seriously believe we will lose and by a few on Friday, dont come, it's unhelpful that the first mis placed pass etc brings a huge moan etc.. It was always to me going to be a tough, long season but as its only just begun the despair and bent towards finding absolutely everything and anything the club say or do being wrong is still premature. UTT Great post !
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Post by dugnet on Aug 15, 2019 11:42:28 GMT 1
I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is! its incredibly worrying but at no point will stating the obvious help because everyone at the club in positions to turn this around is fully aware of it.. going on to abuse or even dennouncing or just making smart arse comments about individuals is really fucking unhelpful and often, on here, pretty childish.. One poster said 'personal abuse is very wrong' then put in the same post a comment about one of the coaches 'having a perma tan and silly hairstyle' ? Then expects anyone to take their post even slightly seriously? The general mood at the club is to me, one of not panicking or doing things merely to placate supporters or throw up a smoke and mirror screen by changing too many things etc.. A very bad time can as easily be worked through as turning everything upside down and hoping a big shake up will change things for you.. I do think we would have been better off coming down the first year as expectations would be easier to manage under the same regime at the club but the circumstances from Deans health to the really awful relegation and unfortunate disagreements within the playing and coaching staff lead us here.. Everyone at the club wants to win games and be successful, its not in anyone;s best interests to be otherwise and the best way out of it that they can try is being tried. I am sure there is a finite amount of time/games for the manager and his staff and in this division its not set in stone given teams lose a few and then go on a run of good results only to fall away again, it happens every season. We may well see changes soon but the clamour and the abuse that appeared towards the end of a useless season and into the off season was totally counter productive imo and continues to be so. Verbal abuse of players and managers produces nothing good..Yes we should be better and doing better and yes there should be some assemblance of a way of playing by now but the circumstances have made that difficult to say the least and I am unfortunately not sure how many of the players are buying into being here never mind playing for the bloke in the chair at the moment. That is more worrying than who is in charge to me but I am not a professional footballer and my work ethic for my wage is probably very different to some of them. Football is pretty fluid once the game starts and I do believe that players who are working their bollocks off can often blatantly move away from the game plan and make it work better if they really want to, whilst mooching about and blatantly not following the plan became a wee bit obvious the other night? Changing the manager might interest one or two of the players but its not a guarantee and we see as many 'upturns' in form for teams with a new boss disappear as we do it become a turn around.. If you seriously believe we will lose and by a few on Friday, dont come, it's unhelpful that the first mis placed pass etc brings a huge moan etc.. It was always to me going to be a tough, long season but as its only just begun the despair and bent towards finding absolutely everything and anything the club say or do being wrong is still premature. UTT For the record it was me who made the comment about "perma tan and highlights" and I quote "looks bloody ridiculous". This was not meant to be abusive but was an observation, which I would contend was accurate although "bloody ridiculous" was my opinion. I hardly think it was the most abusive comment ever made but accept that is open to interpretation. I did qualify this by saying this didn't matter but his professional record did not stand to close scrutiny. I take exception to be told "don't come". For the record I have never booed the team, I also don't abuse players. If things aren't great on the pitch I stay silent, those who sit with me would happily confirm this. I have sat through far worse in my near 40 years support, that doesn't make what I am currently witnessing to be in anyway encouraging. On Tuesday I was sat in reasonably close proximity to Siewert. I did offer my advice to him to get the team further up the pitch, get passing quicker and get people forward to support the attack. All with no profanity or abuse. I also said that if a chump like me could see what was wrong why couldn't he? So any abuse was entirely self directed. How anyone can question the fans' patience at the moment is a little bizarre. To get a lecture about abuse with a tenuous link to what was intended to be a humorous comment (although probably not really of any benefit in the grand scheme of things) is a bit rich. I call it as I see it. I will be there on Friday, will support the players but I reserve the right to offer a considered opinion of what I see.
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Post by townrwe on Aug 15, 2019 11:44:43 GMT 1
Tight Phil cant even stretch to putting clappers on the seats, the cuts run that deep.
When he took over from Deano, he talked about evolution, rather than revolution..... Well what we are witnessing is rapid devolution.
Massive limits, Seiwert Devolution should be our new motto,
Working. Class is obviously completely bollox.
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Post by muffinman on Aug 15, 2019 11:46:43 GMT 1
Could anyone give a breakdown on what Wagner said?!
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