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Post by runner76 on Aug 15, 2019 11:48:07 GMT 1
Could anyone give a breakdown on what Wagner said?! Not sure but assume it contained ‘to be fair’ at some stage in it |
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Post by bluestripe on Aug 15, 2019 11:51:45 GMT 1
Could anyone give a breakdown on what Wagner said?! Not sure but assume it contained ‘to be fair’ at some stage in it And "on the grass"? |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 15, 2019 11:52:18 GMT 1
according to the unexamined he said 11 words. I quote their article (if you can call it that)
Wagner's message was this: "Stay strong and keep believing. Go on and support the team."
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Post by Hazza on Aug 15, 2019 11:56:36 GMT 1
according to the unexamined he said 11 words. I quote their article (if you can call it that) Wagner's message was this: "Stay strong and keep believing. Go on and support the team." didn't mention supporting the manager then.. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 15, 2019 12:06:14 GMT 1
Town vs Fulham: David Wagner message to Terriers' fans
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 15, 2019 12:13:50 GMT 1
I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is! its incredibly worrying but at no point will stating the obvious help because everyone at the club in positions to turn this around is fully aware of it.. going on to abuse or even dennouncing or just making smart arse comments about individuals is really fucking unhelpful and often, on here, pretty childish.. One poster said 'personal abuse is very wrong' then put in the same post a comment about one of the coaches 'having a perma tan and silly hairstyle'  ? Then expects anyone to take their post even slightly seriously? The general mood at the club is to me, one of not panicking or doing things merely to placate supporters or throw up a smoke and mirror screen by changing too many things etc.. A very bad time can as easily be worked through as turning everything upside down and hoping a big shake up will change things for you.. I do think we would have been better off coming down the first year as expectations would be easier to manage under the same regime at the club but the circumstances from Deans health to the really awful relegation and unfortunate disagreements within the playing and coaching staff lead us here.. Everyone at the club wants to win games and be successful, its not in anyone;s best interests to be otherwise and the best way out of it that they can try is being tried. I am sure there is a finite amount of time/games for the manager and his staff and in this division its not set in stone given teams lose a few and then go on a run of good results only to fall away again, it happens every season. We may well see changes soon but the clamour and the abuse that appeared towards the end of a useless season and into the off season was totally counter productive imo and continues to be so. Verbal abuse of players and managers produces nothing good..Yes we should be better and doing better and yes there should be some assemblance of a way of playing by now but the circumstances have made that difficult to say the least and I am unfortunately not sure how many of the players are buying into being here never mind playing for the bloke in the chair at the moment. That is more worrying than who is in charge to me but I am not a professional footballer and my work ethic for my wage is probably very different to some of them. Football is pretty fluid once the game starts and I do believe that players who are working their bollocks off can often blatantly move away from the game plan and make it work better if they really want to, whilst mooching about and blatantly not following the plan became a wee bit obvious the other night? Changing the manager might interest one or two of the players but its not a guarantee and we see as many 'upturns' in form for teams with a new boss disappear as we do it become a turn around.. If you seriously believe we will lose and by a few on Friday, dont come, it's unhelpful that the first mis placed pass etc brings a huge moan etc.. It was always to me going to be a tough, long season but as its only just begun the despair and bent towards finding absolutely everything and anything the club say or do being wrong is still premature. UTT I take your point about personal abuse, yet you have been on here calling fellow supporters ‘arses’. If you want to get all high and mighty, how about you follow your own advice. |
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Post by Macduff on Aug 15, 2019 12:16:34 GMT 1
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Post by boooothy on Aug 15, 2019 12:23:00 GMT 1
I thinks Jan’s been a disaster but by sacking him we’re writing off all the plans made during the summer. I’m not ready to give in on this season yet, i’ve bin waiting for it since January!!!!!
A new manager get another totally free ride till next January cause they can’t have “their” players.
I’m following David’s advise and getting behind the team. At lease for a few more weeks.
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Post by digs on Aug 15, 2019 12:27:49 GMT 1
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 15, 2019 12:30:21 GMT 1
I thinks Jan’s been a disaster but by sacking him we’re writing off all the plans made during the summer. I’m not ready to give in on this season yet, i’ve bin waiting for it since January!!!!! A new manager get another totally free ride till next January cause they can’t have “their” players. I’m following David’s advise and getting behind the team. At lease for a few more weeks. serious question how many more defeats would you accept? |
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 15, 2019 12:31:30 GMT 1
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 15, 2019 12:38:03 GMT 1
I thinks Jan’s been a disaster but by sacking him we’re writing off all the plans made during the summer. I’m not ready to give in on this season yet, i’ve bin waiting for it since January!!!!! A new manager get another totally free ride till next January cause they can’t have “their” players. I’m following David’s advise and getting behind the team. At lease for a few more weeks. What plans? We hardly recruited for him or his system. Bockhorn probably the only request that he did get. |
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Post by digs on Aug 15, 2019 12:38:36 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 15, 2019 12:59:29 GMT 1
its incredibly worrying but at no point will stating the obvious help because everyone at the club in positions to turn this around is fully aware of it.. going on to abuse or even dennouncing or just making smart arse comments about individuals is really fucking unhelpful and often, on here, pretty childish.. One poster said 'personal abuse is very wrong' then put in the same post a comment about one of the coaches 'having a perma tan and silly hairstyle' ? Then expects anyone to take their post even slightly seriously? The general mood at the club is to me, one of not panicking or doing things merely to placate supporters or throw up a smoke and mirror screen by changing too many things etc.. A very bad time can as easily be worked through as turning everything upside down and hoping a big shake up will change things for you.. I do think we would have been better off coming down the first year as expectations would be easier to manage under the same regime at the club but the circumstances from Deans health to the really awful relegation and unfortunate disagreements within the playing and coaching staff lead us here.. Everyone at the club wants to win games and be successful, its not in anyone;s best interests to be otherwise and the best way out of it that they can try is being tried. I am sure there is a finite amount of time/games for the manager and his staff and in this division its not set in stone given teams lose a few and then go on a run of good results only to fall away again, it happens every season. We may well see changes soon but the clamour and the abuse that appeared towards the end of a useless season and into the off season was totally counter productive imo and continues to be so. Verbal abuse of players and managers produces nothing good..Yes we should be better and doing better and yes there should be some assemblance of a way of playing by now but the circumstances have made that difficult to say the least and I am unfortunately not sure how many of the players are buying into being here never mind playing for the bloke in the chair at the moment. That is more worrying than who is in charge to me but I am not a professional footballer and my work ethic for my wage is probably very different to some of them. Football is pretty fluid once the game starts and I do believe that players who are working their bollocks off can often blatantly move away from the game plan and make it work better if they really want to, whilst mooching about and blatantly not following the plan became a wee bit obvious the other night? Changing the manager might interest one or two of the players but its not a guarantee and we see as many 'upturns' in form for teams with a new boss disappear as we do it become a turn around.. If you seriously believe we will lose and by a few on Friday, dont come, it's unhelpful that the first mis placed pass etc brings a huge moan etc.. It was always to me going to be a tough, long season but as its only just begun the despair and bent towards finding absolutely everything and anything the club say or do being wrong is still premature. UTT I take your point about personal abuse, yet you have been on here calling fellow supporters ‘arses’. If you want to get all high and mighty, how about you follow your own advice. This ain't personal, you are not a real person, not identifiable unless you wish to be so and I would hope face to face any use of the word arse would be as friends would use it? I have been called a few things on here, never take it personally. If I aim personal abuse at someone known to me or face to face in an unfriendly manner then I expect a likewise response or vice versa. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 15, 2019 13:07:22 GMT 1
I genuinely admire your positive outlook and DW is a glorious memory now but our concern is that we have moved from being stable to be being anything but (at every level). What I think most people are concerned about is that the general mood from the club is that mostly things are OK and we don't need any major actions I would be happier personally if we had the relative transparency we had previously and there was acknowledgement that we had made mistakes and we had a plan. I think to suggest the fans are out of order is grossly inaccurate. 4 wins in 18 months and we had the best atmosphere in the Premier League?? 18k season tickets (the cheap price is of no consequence - people don't have to buy/come even if it is "cheap" - the value is measured in different ways, and it isn't value at the moment)? Abuse is never acceptable, saying this is an utter pigs ear of a situation is perfectly reasonable - because it is! its incredibly worrying but at no point will stating the obvious help because everyone at the club in positions to turn this around is fully aware of it.. going on to abuse or even dennouncing or just making smart arse comments about individuals is really fucking unhelpful and often, on here, pretty childish.. One poster said 'personal abuse is very wrong' then put in the same post a comment about one of the coaches 'having a perma tan and silly hairstyle' ? Then expects anyone to take their post even slightly seriously? The general mood at the club is to me, one of not panicking or doing things merely to placate supporters or throw up a smoke and mirror screen by changing too many things etc.. A very bad time can as easily be worked through as turning everything upside down and hoping a big shake up will change things for you.. I do think we would have been better off coming down the first year as expectations would be easier to manage under the same regime at the club but the circumstances from Deans health to the really awful relegation and unfortunate disagreements within the playing and coaching staff lead us here.. Everyone at the club wants to win games and be successful, its not in anyone;s best interests to be otherwise and the best way out of it that they can try is being tried. I am sure there is a finite amount of time/games for the manager and his staff and in this division its not set in stone given teams lose a few and then go on a run of good results only to fall away again, it happens every season. We may well see changes soon but the clamour and the abuse that appeared towards the end of a useless season and into the off season was totally counter productive imo and continues to be so. Verbal abuse of players and managers produces nothing good..Yes we should be better and doing better and yes there should be some assemblance of a way of playing by now but the circumstances have made that difficult to say the least and I am unfortunately not sure how many of the players are buying into being here never mind playing for the bloke in the chair at the moment. That is more worrying than who is in charge to me but I am not a professional footballer and my work ethic for my wage is probably very different to some of them. Football is pretty fluid once the game starts and I do believe that players who are working their bollocks off can often blatantly move away from the game plan and make it work better if they really want to, whilst mooching about and blatantly not following the plan became a wee bit obvious the other night? Changing the manager might interest one or two of the players but its not a guarantee and we see as many 'upturns' in form for teams with a new boss disappear as we do it become a turn around.. If you seriously believe we will lose and by a few on Friday, dont come, it's unhelpful that the first mis placed pass etc brings a huge moan etc.. It was always to me going to be a tough, long season but as its only just begun the despair and bent towards finding absolutely everything and anything the club say or do being wrong is still premature. UTT Excellent post. TBF, I'm one of those who is rapidly losing hope that JS will turn things around. I absolutely expect us to be on the end of a heavy defeat tomorrow. But some perspective is needed, and we are supporters. We all want success. Doing stuff that's counter-productive does not (by definition) help things. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 15, 2019 13:10:38 GMT 1
I take your point about personal abuse, yet you have been on here calling fellow supporters ‘arses’. If you want to get all high and mighty, how about you follow your own advice. This ain't personal, you are not a real person, not identifiable unless you wish to be so and I would hope face to face any use of the word arse would be as friends would use it? I have been called a few things on here, never take it personally. If I aim personal abuse at someone known to me or face to face in an unfriendly manner then I expect a likewise response or vice versa. I don’t necessarily agree with you, it seems a bit inconsistent. That said, I’ll take it like you’ve explained it in the future, more banter than aggressive. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 15, 2019 13:15:22 GMT 1
its incredibly worrying but at no point will stating the obvious help because everyone at the club in positions to turn this around is fully aware of it.. going on to abuse or even dennouncing or just making smart arse comments about individuals is really fucking unhelpful and often, on here, pretty childish.. One poster said 'personal abuse is very wrong' then put in the same post a comment about one of the coaches 'having a perma tan and silly hairstyle' ? Then expects anyone to take their post even slightly seriously? The general mood at the club is to me, one of not panicking or doing things merely to placate supporters or throw up a smoke and mirror screen by changing too many things etc.. A very bad time can as easily be worked through as turning everything upside down and hoping a big shake up will change things for you.. I do think we would have been better off coming down the first year as expectations would be easier to manage under the same regime at the club but the circumstances from Deans health to the really awful relegation and unfortunate disagreements within the playing and coaching staff lead us here.. Everyone at the club wants to win games and be successful, its not in anyone;s best interests to be otherwise and the best way out of it that they can try is being tried. I am sure there is a finite amount of time/games for the manager and his staff and in this division its not set in stone given teams lose a few and then go on a run of good results only to fall away again, it happens every season. We may well see changes soon but the clamour and the abuse that appeared towards the end of a useless season and into the off season was totally counter productive imo and continues to be so. Verbal abuse of players and managers produces nothing good..Yes we should be better and doing better and yes there should be some assemblance of a way of playing by now but the circumstances have made that difficult to say the least and I am unfortunately not sure how many of the players are buying into being here never mind playing for the bloke in the chair at the moment. That is more worrying than who is in charge to me but I am not a professional footballer and my work ethic for my wage is probably very different to some of them. Football is pretty fluid once the game starts and I do believe that players who are working their bollocks off can often blatantly move away from the game plan and make it work better if they really want to, whilst mooching about and blatantly not following the plan became a wee bit obvious the other night? Changing the manager might interest one or two of the players but its not a guarantee and we see as many 'upturns' in form for teams with a new boss disappear as we do it become a turn around.. If you seriously believe we will lose and by a few on Friday, dont come, it's unhelpful that the first mis placed pass etc brings a huge moan etc.. It was always to me going to be a tough, lo season but as its only just begun the despair and bent towards finding absolutely everything and anything the club say or do being wrong is still premature. UTT For the record it was me who made the comment about "perma tan and highlights" and I quote "looks bloody ridiculous". This was not meant to be abusive but was an observation, which I would contend was accurate although "bloody ridiculous" was my opinion. I hardly think it was the most abusive comment ever made but accept that is open to interpretation. I did qualify this by saying this didn't matter but his professional record did not stand to close scrutiny. I take exception to be told "don't come". For the record I have never booed the team, I also don't abuse players. If things aren't great on the pitch I stay silent, those who sit with me would happily confirm this. I have sat through far worse in my near 40 years support, that doesn't make what I am currently witnessing to be in anyway encouraging. On Tuesday I was sat in reasonably close proximity to Siewert. I did offer my advice to him to get the team further up the pitch, get passing quicker and get people forward to support the attack. All with no profanity or abuse. I also said that if a chump like me could see what was wrong why couldn't he? So any abuse was entirely self directed. How anyone can question the fans' patience at the moment is a little bizarre. To get a lecture about abuse with a tenuous link to what was intended to be a humorous comment (although probably not really of any benefit in the grand scheme of things) is a bit rich. I call it as I see it. I will be there on Friday, will support the players but I reserve the right to offer a considered opinion of what I see. I did not tell anyone not to come, it's merely advice that coming with the belief or 'hope' that we lose is not a good starting point for something such as supporting your team, a reasonably expensive and time consuming pastime. It may even border on self harm and will possibly piss off a number of people around you who are just as passionate but could do without the sometimes incessant moaning, often over every little thing that does not go as they wish? I am not sure how much support helps at times but if the majority of supporters do and the players 'think' it helps then I bow to the majority and then negativity is the other end of the spectrum? 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Post by ben1987 on Aug 15, 2019 13:16:47 GMT 1
Tight Phil cant even stretch to putting clappers on the seats, the cuts run that deep. When he took over from Deano, he talked about evolution, rather than revolution..... Well what we are witnessing is rapid devolution. Massive limits, Seiwert Devolution should be our new motto, Working. Class is obviously completely bollox. I’m fairly sure that the club asked the ATT panel about whether to keep clappers or not before PH was chairman. You genuinely need to get over this clappers thing, I got over the death of my son quicker than you’ve got over this. Move on and let it go. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 13:21:27 GMT 1
Tight Phil cant even stretch to putting clappers on the seats, the cuts run that deep. When he took over from Deano, he talked about evolution, rather than revolution..... Well what we are witnessing is rapid devolution. Massive limits, Seiwert Devolution should be our new motto, Working. Class is obviously completely bollox. 43 days... |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 15, 2019 13:29:56 GMT 1
Tight Phil cant even stretch to putting clappers on the seats, the cuts run that deep. When he took over from Deano, he talked about evolution, rather than revolution..... Well what we are witnessing is rapid devolution. Massive limits, Seiwert Devolution should be our new motto, Working. Class is obviously completely bollox. 43 days... Imagine how shit we will be after 86 days...... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 13:41:44 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 14:04:42 GMT 1
Imagine how shit we will be after 86 days...... The financial situation will unlikely be any different. We'll still be relegated from the premier league and we'll still be in the same position where costs needed to be reduced due to a severe reduction in income. Likely over three windows as promised. Dean's vision for the club was always that it should be self sufficient, I imagine that's still the same under PH. The playing staff will likely be just as shit, though we might lose one or two to clubs in Europe it's probably unlikely. The window is closed, we can't buy anyone. We brought in the only option of a free transfer the other day. You still had a childish whinge. The manager is anyone's guess, let's see what happens Friday, I'd say it's do or die for Jan, however Phil's tenure is only three games deep so he's right to give him a couple of games to see improvement. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 15, 2019 14:16:06 GMT 1
Imagine how shit we will be after 86 days...... The financial situation will unlikely be any different. We'll still be relegated from the premier league and we'll still be in the same position where costs needed to be reduced due to a severe reduction in income. Likely over three windows as promised. Dean's vision for the club was always that it should be self sufficient, I imagine that's still the same under PH. The playing staff will likely be just as shit, though we might lose one or two to clubs in Europe it's probably unlikely. The window is closed, we can't buy anyone. We brought in the only option of a free transfer the other day. You still had a childish whinge. The manager is anyone's guess, let's see what happens Friday, I'd say it's do or die for Jan, however Phil's tenure is only three games deep so he's right to give him a couple of games to see improvement. But will we have clappers back on the seats? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 14:23:55 GMT 1
The financial situation will unlikely be any different. We'll still be relegated from the premier league and we'll still be in the same position where costs needed to be reduced due to a severe reduction in income. Likely over three windows as promised. Dean's vision for the club was always that it should be self sufficient, I imagine that's still the same under PH. The playing staff will likely be just as shit, though we might lose one or two to clubs in Europe it's probably unlikely. The window is closed, we can't buy anyone. We brought in the only option of a free transfer the other day. You still had a childish whinge. The manager is anyone's guess, let's see what happens Friday, I'd say it's do or die for Jan, however Phil's tenure is only three games deep so he's right to give him a couple of games to see improvement. But will we have clappers back on the seats? The clappers divide opinion, some want them, some don't. You have the option to have one if you want one. Do you need somebody to clap it for you as well? |
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Post by rantinray on Aug 15, 2019 14:35:08 GMT 1
People support teams for many reasons. I support HTFC because it is my home team and I have done off and on for over 64 years. Laterly however my support has started to wane a little. When I turn up I wish to be entertained, win, lose or draw. I expect the players to give what they can on the day. No-one can give 100% time in time out and I don't expect that.
So what has been happening these last few seasons? Some players have not been good enough and the teams tactics and method of play has been not up to scratch to get results. I was however expecting a little more now that we have dropped a division, I wasn't expecting to bounce back as I think the Premiership is too big a jump for us. I was thinking we had the spine of a team even with some players leaving. All we needed were a few players adding to it to get us up and running with more positive results and happy fans. Seems like "Groundhog" day. What needs to be done? Who is going to get us up and running? Are the players/manager up to the task? Crystal ball needed to see into the future I feel. UTT.
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Post by boooothy on Aug 15, 2019 14:40:32 GMT 1
I thinks Jan’s been a disaster but by sacking him we’re writing off all the plans made during the summer. I’m not ready to give in on this season yet, i’ve bin waiting for it since January!!!!! A new manager get another totally free ride till next January cause they can’t have “their” players. I’m following David’s advise and getting behind the team. At lease for a few more weeks. serious question how many more defeats would you accept? He ant got long, 5 more crappy displays would be enough for me. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 15, 2019 14:41:57 GMT 1
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Post by 28901 on Aug 15, 2019 14:52:53 GMT 1
The financial situation will unlikely be any different. We'll still be relegated from the premier league and we'll still be in the same position where costs needed to be reduced due to a severe reduction in income. Likely over three windows as promised. Dean's vision for the club was always that it should be self sufficient, I imagine that's still the same under PH. The playing staff will likely be just as shit, though we might lose one or two to clubs in Europe it's probably unlikely. The window is closed, we can't buy anyone. We brought in the only option of a free transfer the other day. You still had a childish whinge. The manager is anyone's guess, let's see what happens Friday, I'd say it's do or die for Jan, however Phil's tenure is only three games deep so he's right to give him a couple of games to see improvement. But will we have clappers back on the seats? give it a rest you tedious clown |
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Post by rantinray on Aug 15, 2019 14:53:59 GMT 1
serious question how many more defeats would you accept? He ant got long, 5 more crappy displays would be enough for me. I think it could be less than 5. |
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