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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 17, 2019 1:49:25 GMT 1
PH was head-hunted by DH. In Dean I trust. Disrespecting PH is effectively disrespecting DH. Some shameful comments here and elsewhere
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 5:00:55 GMT 1
Alas on this DH maybe got it wrong time will tell? Me I would overhaul the board!
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Post by thongsbridge on Aug 17, 2019 6:12:08 GMT 1
Schindler, Kongolo, VLP, Mounie and Pritchard? where as he said this You see the curly thing at the end of the sentence? It was a question, not a statement. |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 17, 2019 6:19:56 GMT 1
I don't think PH has done a great job in creating a good impression with the fans, however it's a little bit early to be harshly critical. He hasn't helped himself so far but he now has a chance to reset everything.
Apart from the decision to take DHs offer he has just made his first major decision as chairman. It was a decision that I think had to be made. He has got a chance to start the PH era with making an appointment that stops the slide on the pitch, gets us stable to January and supports the new manager.
For me he needs to be more clear about the strategy and what we should expect.
I don't think there is any doubt that the mistakes in recruitment in the past 14 months is our main issue. We cannot change anything much until January. What PH can do is be a little more forthright and say what the 3 window transition he stated needs to achieve.
He needs to be honest in his ambition in both the short term and longer term. Short term "winning football matches " is the bear minimum. I would contend that being stable, having a plan and ambition where this club is going is what is required.
He additionally needs to honest, without getting into a financial explanations in detail, about what level of budget a new manager can work with.
He finally needs to realise that DH got credibility for 3 things essentially;
1 - He was straight forward and told us exactly as it is
2 - He was Town through and through
3 - He put a significant amount of his own money into the club when no one ever had before
DH made mistakes but to be fair to PH he is a massively tough act to follow.
PH cannot be anyone but himself, he cannot afford to be DH mk2. He can however be transparent, clearer and understand that as we have just exited the Premier League that although we don't expect to bounce back we do expect to have a plan that allows us to be better than before we achieved promotion.
I hope he takes the opportunity to truly draw a line under the last few months and essentially start again. We are unlikely to make a top 6 challenge this season so let's stabilise and see if we can't prepare to have a go in 12 months. If that's what was meant by the 3 window transition tell us. We are all adults, we aren't daft, we can understand and respect the clarity.
He doesn't deserve abuse, it's never acceptable or helpful. It's also far too early to be so constructively critical.
His next decision is likely to define his stewardship of Town. We'll see what happens I guess.
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Post by smax on Aug 17, 2019 6:32:33 GMT 1
PH was head-hunted by DH. In Dean I trust. Disrespecting PH is effectively disrespecting DH. Some shameful comments here and elsewhere Head hunted? He sits 4 yards away. I bet they aren’t mates anymore if the wives are owt to do with it. “What do you mean Phil no bastard holiday this year” “no I aren’t going to the hoyles for a takeaway, they might sell you another pup” |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 7:58:23 GMT 1
And I agree with you but i genuinely don’t think it’s fair to judge at least until end of season. He has been handed a shit storm Fair do's mate. I think we are both in the very concerned category of Town fans. Fingers crossed that our fortunes change soon. All the best! 👍🏼👍🏼 |
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Post by specialun on Aug 17, 2019 8:00:57 GMT 1
He is however 100% responsible for his own actions / comments 1. Saying give the manager a chance and sacking him 4 games later 2. Selling £25m (and Mooy loan) and spending less than £1m on permanent signings He has to face up to that - can’t blame anyone else! 1. Trying to back him is not a crime. I’d argue the players have forced his hand here. 2. Neither is rushing out to blast ANOTHER £25m into the market having inherited zero in the form of a transfer strategy. You want more Mounie’s, Diakahabys and Mbenzas? I certainly don’t. So no one else to blame for either 1 or 2. You’re in dream world Where did I say blast another £25m? We just needed to reinvest some of that into 2/3 players Don’t forget we have ‘the excellent josh marsh’ - this is his job! What are we going to do, never spend again? Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see we needed a left back to give the option of Kongolo at centre half And not let Mooy go without a replacement - we’d been linked with a Chalobah all summer and he’s a 6 not a 8 I’ll remind you our second choice back 4 is Bockhorn - Played in German 4th-8th tier last season Stankovic - part of premier league squad Edmonds-Green - played on loan in English 8th tier last season Brown - Couldn’t get into a league 2 team If you honestly think we shouldn’t have reinvested any of the £25m we sold then don’t moan when this team is struggling all season fighting to get to 16th |
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Post by specialun on Aug 17, 2019 8:06:50 GMT 1
PH was head-hunted by DH. In Dean I trust. Disrespecting PH is effectively disrespecting DH. Some shameful comments here and elsewhere When you say headhunted...do you mean he called his mate? The Boards footballing decisions have been horrendous since Stuart Weber left. He says we ran a sale process ? How many parties? ? How many indicative bids? ? How many bids were better than Hodgkinson’s ? Why, after running a sale process, did we then ‘headhunt’ his mate |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 8:08:29 GMT 1
Not at all but I think it’s drastically unfair to judge PH on a few weeks where let’s face it we have been in a shambolic situation from decisions made long before his time and at a highly emotional time for fans who’ve seen (what is it) 4 wins in 50 odd games. He had the power to sort it. If he wasnt willing to give him money, or time, he should have got rid months ago And 'incoherent transfer strategy'? This is the man who was in agreement with dean that they would handle it rather than a dof (bizarre decision). We(phil) have had months and months to plan for this august and it looks a shambles....of course he will get criticism...jans received much worse I’m not for one minute saying there’s nothing to criticise. I’m already on record saying I found his comments about 3 loans from the Prem naive at best. However. These situations take months and sometimes years to turn around. It’s not his fault we didn’t have a DOF. Are you really expecting him to start in June. Find and hire the perfect DOF and execute said DOFs transfer strategy by start of August? That’s also pretty naive in my book. Quite simply any plans that we’ve had over the past couple of years have resulted in the likes of Mounie, Diakhaby, Mbenza coating us £30m ish which we’re not going to see again. So what makes you think that PH coming in regardless of his confidence in the manager should blast our cash and find the next versions of these drains on our resources and club within less than 2 months at the helm. Unrealistic is my view and actually now proven right as in theory new manager comes in. He Can hopefully steady the ship and will hopefully have some cash to sort us out in January and next Summer. Now my plan is to judge by next year when this has played out with a realistic time frame to judge his work. If the above doesn’t play out and money is proven not available then I’m sure I’ll be the first to throw criticism towards PH. |
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Post by mrbluesky on Aug 17, 2019 8:27:23 GMT 1
Give PH a chance for heavens sake , he’s only been in the job 7 weeks and in that time he at least has appointed a head of football , something we haven’t had for far too long.
In terms of transfer money I too would not have given Siewart the budget , like the majority of supporters PH was obviously unsure about him and waited to see if he was the right man ...... right decision for me , let’s now see what he will give to HIS appointed mgr / head coach.
Heard we had agreed a deal with Durrell for him to come in as replacement for Mooy , everything all set however Durrell and his agent did a deal with Derby at the last minute.
BTW , PH offered Mooy a contract to stay which Aaron accepted , biggest contract/wages in the clubs history - Aaron accepted and it was thought he was going to stay with us , Aaron if you check changed his agent a few weeks back , the new agent got him the deal to go to Brighton meaning Aaron renaged on the new contract as he really did want premier league football which is understandable - even with Aaron staying PH was prepared to pay for the Durwell deal so he does indeed put his hand in his pocket when quality is on offer.
It’s a new start now and PH is bringing in his own team , I for one will be giving him a chance ............it’s a harder job replacing Hoyle than it was replacing Davy.
Agree we need a quality left back to allow Kongolo to play at centre half.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 8:30:37 GMT 1
1. Trying to back him is not a crime. I’d argue the players have forced his hand here. 2. Neither is rushing out to blast ANOTHER £25m into the market having inherited zero in the form of a transfer strategy. You want more Mounie’s, Diakahabys and Mbenzas? I certainly don’t. So no one else to blame for either 1 or 2. You’re in dream world Where did I say blast another £25m? We just needed to reinvest some of that into 2/3 players Don’t forget we have ‘the excellent josh marsh’ - this is his job! What are we going to do, never spend again? Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see we needed a left back to give the option of Kongolo at centre half And not let Mooy go without a replacement - we’d been linked with a Chalobah all summer and he’s a 6 not a 8 I’ll remind you our second choice back 4 is Bockhorn - Played in German 4th-8th tier last season Stankovic - part of premier league squad Edmonds-Green - played on loan in English 8th tier last season Brown - Couldn’t get into a league 2 team If you honestly think we shouldn’t have reinvested any of the £25m we sold then don’t moan when this team is struggling all season fighting to get to 16th You referenced £25m Did PH hire Josh Marsh? I’ll be more than happy with 16th right now considering the shambles that was handed to PH I don’t disagree about your points on defence but had Elphick not tried to shoulder the ball back to our goalkeeper in game 1 I highly doubt the scrutiny would be so high. Yes I agree we are light and a left back would have been nice and I’m also disappointed these Prem loans didn’t materialise but you have to concede that the we’ve hired some absolute dross over the last couple of years who are now rotting our club. We’ve blasted more cash than we’ve ever had in our history and look where that’s got us. I’d rather hold the cash back, get a DOF in, get a new manager in and plan our way out of this rather than waste any more cash |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 17, 2019 8:33:24 GMT 1
Apparently today he’s said 5 more players are desperate to leave Question is. (if true) Was this because of Jan and will now want to stay. Or was this because they don't fancy championship football and lower wages? |
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Post by boooothy on Aug 17, 2019 8:52:14 GMT 1
Apparently today he’s said 5 more players are desperate to leave Question is. (if true) Was this because of Jan and will now want to stay. Or was this because they don't fancy championship football and lower wages? Relegation clauses in contracts reducing wages is very sensible but why is anyone surprised that players want to leave? What kind of player is happy to take a pay cut? |
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Post by mrbluesky on Aug 17, 2019 8:54:36 GMT 1
Not true 5 players are desperate to leave.
A couple of players have said they want premier league football , PH said well when we get the right offer for Huddersfield Town we will look at it but until we get that offer I want you to work hard for Huddersfield Town which was agreed by all.
He is right not to give our assets away for nothing
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 8:58:24 GMT 1
Question is. (if true) Was this because of Jan and will now want to stay. Or was this because they don't fancy championship football and lower wages? Relegation clauses in contracts reducing wages is very sensible but why is anyone surprised that players want to leave? What kind of player is happy to take a pay cut? And this is why it’s so hard to like footballers these days. Players who couldn’t hack it at the higher level seem to fail to look a little closer to home as to the reason they’re back on Championship wages playing at Championship standard |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 8:59:47 GMT 1
Simple yes/no question please. Are you happy with the running of our football club? Not at all but I think it’s drastically unfair to judge PH on a few weeks where let’s face it we have been in a shambolic situation from decisions made long before his time and at a highly emotional time for fans who’ve seen (what is it) 4 wins in 50 odd games. You could easily write the same and change the initials to JS. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 17, 2019 9:03:09 GMT 1
Where did I say blast another £25m? We just needed to reinvest some of that into 2/3 players Don’t forget we have ‘the excellent josh marsh’ - this is his job! What are we going to do, never spend again? Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see we needed a left back to give the option of Kongolo at centre half And not let Mooy go without a replacement - we’d been linked with a Chalobah all summer and he’s a 6 not a 8 I’ll remind you our second choice back 4 is Bockhorn - Played in German 4th-8th tier last season Stankovic - part of premier league squad Edmonds-Green - played on loan in English 8th tier last season Brown - Couldn’t get into a league 2 team If you honestly think we shouldn’t have reinvested any of the £25m we sold then don’t moan when this team is struggling all season fighting to get to 16th You referenced £25m Did PH hire Josh Marsh? I’ll be more than happy with 16th right now considering the shambles that was handed to PH I don’t disagree about your points on defence but had Elphick not tried to shoulder the ball back to our goalkeeper in game 1 I highly doubt the scrutiny would be so high.
Yes I agree we are light and a left back would have been nice and I’m also disappointed these Prem loans didn’t materialise but you have to concede that the we’ve hired some absolute dross over the last couple of years who are now rotting our club. We’ve blasted more cash than we’ve ever had in our history and look where that’s got us. I’d rather hold the cash back, get a DOF in, get a new manager in and plan our way out of this rather than waste any more cash True as that may be, even without that howler leading to Derby's opening goal, he hasn't exactly impressed me so far. And I don't think it's just the howlers, I don't think he has the legs any more to do the job at this level (nor probably the one below). |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 9:03:54 GMT 1
Not at all but I think it’s drastically unfair to judge PH on a few weeks where let’s face it we have been in a shambolic situation from decisions made long before his time and at a highly emotional time for fans who’ve seen (what is it) 4 wins in 50 odd games. You could easily write the same and change the initials to JS. Yeah. You could. Said it several times. I feel for Jan. However. Something had to change as these players are not playing for him Given half a chance I’d get rid of half the players but unfortunately that’s not an option |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 9:07:20 GMT 1
You referenced £25m Did PH hire Josh Marsh? I’ll be more than happy with 16th right now considering the shambles that was handed to PH I don’t disagree about your points on defence but had Elphick not tried to shoulder the ball back to our goalkeeper in game 1 I highly doubt the scrutiny would be so high.
Yes I agree we are light and a left back would have been nice and I’m also disappointed these Prem loans didn’t materialise but you have to concede that the we’ve hired some absolute dross over the last couple of years who are now rotting our club. We’ve blasted more cash than we’ve ever had in our history and look where that’s got us. I’d rather hold the cash back, get a DOF in, get a new manager in and plan our way out of this rather than waste any more cash True as that may be, even without that howler leading to Derby's opening goal, he hasn't exactly impressed me so far. And I don't think it's just the howlers, I don't think he has the legs any more to do the job at this level (nor probably the one below). I think we’re all still waiting to see the Elphick that impressed Hull fans on loan last season. Let’s hope he shows up soon |
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Post by specialun on Aug 17, 2019 9:21:37 GMT 1
Where did I say blast another £25m? We just needed to reinvest some of that into 2/3 players Don’t forget we have ‘the excellent josh marsh’ - this is his job! What are we going to do, never spend again? Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see we needed a left back to give the option of Kongolo at centre half And not let Mooy go without a replacement - we’d been linked with a Chalobah all summer and he’s a 6 not a 8 I’ll remind you our second choice back 4 is Bockhorn - Played in German 4th-8th tier last season Stankovic - part of premier league squad Edmonds-Green - played on loan in English 8th tier last season Brown - Couldn’t get into a league 2 team If you honestly think we shouldn’t have reinvested any of the £25m we sold then don’t moan when this team is struggling all season fighting to get to 16th You referenced £25m Did PH hire Josh Marsh? I’ll be more than happy with 16th right now considering the shambles that was handed to PH I don’t disagree about your points on defence but had Elphick not tried to shoulder the ball back to our goalkeeper in game 1 I highly doubt the scrutiny would be so high. Yes I agree we are light and a left back would have been nice and I’m also disappointed these Prem loans didn’t materialise but you have to concede that the we’ve hired some absolute dross over the last couple of years who are now rotting our club. We’ve blasted more cash than we’ve ever had in our history and look where that’s got us. I’d rather hold the cash back, get a DOF in, get a new manager in and plan our way out of this rather than waste any more cash Lots of well thought reasoned points there PH didn’t employ josh marsh but he was in agreement not to bring in a DOF until now which I disagreed with I did reference £25m - to be clear I wasn’t suggesting we spend all of that, but when our only transfer fees are spent on players from league 2 and below that doesn’t sit right with me. We had to reinvest some of those funds |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 17, 2019 9:28:13 GMT 1
Ken Davy was in the boardroom last night he was leaving just as we walked down the steps
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Post by schindlerspen on Aug 17, 2019 9:54:11 GMT 1
Give PH a chance, he’s a town fan, and he’s only just come in and taken over. The beginning of our massive downturn coincided with DH illness, Wagner lost his go to man and the rest is history. This is PH’s first appointment and let’s see where he goes. As I said on another post Hudson not the right pick and would be a cheap option, he needs to cut his managerial teeth in league 1 or 2. We need to get this right for everyone’s sake 👍🏻
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Post by detox on Aug 17, 2019 9:57:46 GMT 1
just read a post from an Andy Shuter on fb..he says Phil didn't bring his family to the game last night because of DEATH THREATS he had received...  !! I know these aren't 'real threats' (surely) but come on...if any moron on here has done that (in a moment of anger no doubt) this is totally UNACCEPTABLE.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 10:04:50 GMT 1
Does anyone seriously trust this clown to appoint an adequate replacement?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 17, 2019 10:05:55 GMT 1
Does anyone seriously trust this clown to appoint an adequate replacement? No. |
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Post by schindlerspen on Aug 17, 2019 10:09:35 GMT 1
just read a post from an Andy Shuter on fb..he says Phil didn't bring his family to the game last night because of DEATH THREATS he had received... !! I know these aren't 'real threats' (surely) but come on...if any moron on here has done that (in a moment of anger no doubt) this is totally UNACCEPTABLE.... Utterly disgraceful. People need to get a life. Some absolute Idiots out there. Hope Phil reported it and they get the keyboard warrior. Probably a kid behind a screen. PH needs our support! |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 10:10:20 GMT 1
You referenced £25m Did PH hire Josh Marsh? I’ll be more than happy with 16th right now considering the shambles that was handed to PH I don’t disagree about your points on defence but had Elphick not tried to shoulder the ball back to our goalkeeper in game 1 I highly doubt the scrutiny would be so high. Yes I agree we are light and a left back would have been nice and I’m also disappointed these Prem loans didn’t materialise but you have to concede that the we’ve hired some absolute dross over the last couple of years who are now rotting our club. We’ve blasted more cash than we’ve ever had in our history and look where that’s got us. I’d rather hold the cash back, get a DOF in, get a new manager in and plan our way out of this rather than waste any more cash Lots of well thought reasoned points there PH didn’t employ josh marsh but he was in agreement not to bring in a DOF until now which I disagreed with I did reference £25m - to be clear I wasn’t suggesting we spend all of that, but when our only transfer fees are spent on players from league 2 and below that doesn’t sit right with me. We had to reinvest some of those funds Mate. I think we’re on the same track and I’m sure you didn’t mean to blast all the cash. My feeling is PH needs to work on his communication. Sometimes not saying anything is better. I personally just don’t think he would have had time to bring in the DOF he wanted so would have been better of stating this rather than he would be taking care of transfers |
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Post by Larry David on Aug 17, 2019 10:15:09 GMT 1
Unacceptable if true but as noted above I can't imagine any substance in it.
Sounds like classic whataboutism to me...or classic deflection tactics
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Post by jasrick on Aug 17, 2019 10:15:54 GMT 1
PH was head-hunted by DH. In Dean I trust. Disrespecting PH is effectively disrespecting DH. Some shameful comments here and elsewhere Come on Pete, are you saying no decision DH makes should be questioned or scrutinised because he’s DH? That’s a dangerous stance to take in my view. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 10:21:02 GMT 1
Got to give him time because he ain’t going anywhere.
He fronted up at the Q&A and rightly asked ‘where are all the difficult questions’.
He has invested more in Town then any of us ever will. I’m sure he’s just getting to grips with things and finding where the bodies are buried. Painful as it is, letting the cards land and seeing what our hand looks looking like in October is far better than gambling in August, throwing money at a squad and not knowing where that money needed to be spent.
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!! I know these aren't 'real threats' (surely) but come on...if any moron on here has done that (in a moment of anger no doubt) this is totally UNACCEPTABLE....