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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2019 10:21:46 GMT 1
If true the death threats are completely abhorrent and PH should report them to the police - I know police have better things to do but seriously what planet are people on thinking death threats are okay
Re PH jury is very much out
However he inherited a mess - JS was a bad appointment and I wouldn’t trust our scouts with a penny (further vindicated by Lincoln)
I understand why PH tried to support JS in preseason and boost his confidence but regardless what was said then PH had no option but to sack him now - the calls were getting louder and reasons to keep JS fast diminishing
Hopefully a new DOF leads to better recruitment and we nail this next managerial appointment
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Post by ringdisco on Aug 17, 2019 10:24:42 GMT 1
Give PH a chance for heavens sake , he’s only been in the job 7 weeks and in that time he at least has appointed a head of football , something we haven’t had for far too long. In terms of transfer money I too would not have given Siewart the budget , like the majority of supporters PH was obviously unsure about him and waited to see if he was the right man ...... right decision for me , let’s now see what he will give to HIS appointed mgr / head coach. Heard we had agreed a deal with Durrell for him to come in as replacement for Mooy , everything all set however Durrell and his agent did a deal with Derby at the last minute. BTW , PH offered Mooy a contract to stay which Aaron accepted , biggest contract/wages in the clubs history - Aaron accepted and it was thought he was going to stay with us , Aaron if you check changed his agent a few weeks back , the new agent got him the deal to go to Brighton meaning Aaron renaged on the new contract as he really did want premier league football which is understandable - even with Aaron staying PH was prepared to pay for the Durwell deal so he does indeed put his hand in his pocket when quality is on offer. It’s a new start now and PH is bringing in his own team , I for one will be giving him a chance ............it’s a harder job replacing Hoyle than it was replacing Davy. Agree we need a quality left back to allow Kongolo to play at centre half. Durrell, Durwell, for all this ITK nonsense, you kinda trip up yourself not knowing his name is Dowell.... |
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Post by specialun on Aug 17, 2019 10:35:29 GMT 1
Got to give him time because he ain’t going anywhere. He fronted up at the Q&A and rightly asked ‘where are all the difficult questions’. He has invested more in Town then any of us ever will. I’m sure he’s just getting to grips with things and finding where the bodies are buried. Painful as it is, letting the cards land and seeing what our hand looks looking like in October is far better than gambling in August, throwing money at a squad and not knowing where that money needed to be spent. Sorry 1. How much has he invested? 2. Q&A - this was the one when he said if sold players we would invest properly or on the manager ‘give him a chance he’ll be a very a good manager’ Easy Q&A in your honeymoon period when you can make bullish statements, play the ‘I’m a Town fan’ card’... Now we’ve seen his actions don’t match his words His next Q&A he won’t be short of a LOT of difficult questions - he can be assured of that. When is it? 3. Wait until October to see what it is looking like? Eh? It was obvious in June we needed a left back and another centre mid and needed to replace £25m of sales with more than £1m of spend. Why on earth need to wait until we’re in the bottom 3 in October can see what was obvious in June. You’ve lost me Ps - Re death threats, disgusting. He should report them. No matter who may / may not have sent them, irrelevant - it’s appalling |
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Post by jasrick on Aug 17, 2019 10:39:42 GMT 1
Got to give him time because he ain’t going anywhere. He fronted up at the Q&A and rightly asked ‘where are all the difficult questions’. He has invested more in Town then any of us ever will. I’m sure he’s just getting to grips with things and finding where the bodies are buried. Painful as it is, letting the cards land and seeing what our hand looks looking like in October is far better than gambling in August, throwing money at a squad and not knowing where that money needed to be spent. Sorry 1. How much has he invested? 2. Q&A - this was the one when he said if sold players we would invest properly or on the manager ‘give him a chance he’ll be a very a good manager’ Easy Q&A in your honeymoon period when you can make bullish statements, play the ‘I’m a Town fan’ card’... Now we’ve seen his actions don’t match his words His next Q&A he won’t be short of a LOT of difficult questions - he can be assured of that. When is it? 3. Wait until October to see what it is looking like? Eh? It was obvious in June we needed a left back and another centre mid and needed to replace £25m of sales with more than £1m of spend. Why on earth need to wait until we’re in the bottom 3 in October can see what was obvious in June. You’ve lost me Ps - Re death threats, disgusting. He should report them. No matter who may / may not have sent them, irrelevant - it’s appalling Yeah, but we were unbeaten in pre-season... 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 10:40:02 GMT 1
Where’s the evidence for these so called “death threats”?
Sounds a likely story to me.
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Post by townatheart on Aug 17, 2019 10:42:26 GMT 1
Just FWIW, PH statement just posted on OS:
Town Chairman on decision to part company with Jan Siewert
- Phil Hodgkinson comments on Jan Siewert’s departure
- Mark Hudson to take temporary charge of the First Team
Huddersfield Town Chairman Phil Hodgkinson has today commented on the decision to part company with Jan Siewert following Friday night’s Sky Bet Championship game against Fulham.
“Last night’s decision was not one that I, nor the Board, took lightly, but I believe it is one that had to be made,” the Chairman explained to htafc.com.
“Jan walked into a very difficult situation in January; something that we were all aware, and mindful, of. However, I have seen no evidence of the impact on our performances that I was expecting following a full pre-season.
“Jan is a fantastic man and he’s worked tirelessly for this Club during his time here, but unfortunately it has not worked. I believe he is a good coach and I sincerely hope he will be successful in the future.
“I believe our players are better than we have seen so far this season. We will work to appoint a new Head Coach who can get the best from them and bring an identity back to our performances.”
First Team Coach Mark Hudson will take temporary charge of the team, beginning with the Sky Bet Championship game at Cardiff City on Wednesday evening.
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Post by bleaklow on Aug 17, 2019 10:53:52 GMT 1
What I don't like about our new owner is him talking about 'stabilisation' in the Championship, instead of saying 'the objective is to bounce back immediately'.
Then he talks about 3 transfer windows, but this also means we might lose some of our better players. His backing of Siewert with comments about his suitability
for the job is also worrying and his intimating that there's no money in the kitty is also strange - where the hell as it gone, because in this transfer window
it's been the equivalent of shopping in the Card Factory.
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Post by ram on Aug 17, 2019 10:56:50 GMT 1
And when he appoints Mark Hudson permanently in a few weeks time,do any of us think he will give him funds to strengthen in January? What experience of obtaining players does Hudson actually have?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 10:57:15 GMT 1
What I don't like about our new owner is him talking about 'stabilisation' in the Championship, instead of saying 'the objective is to bounce back immediately'. Then he talks about 3 transfer windows, but this also means we might lose some of our better players. His backing of Siewert with comments about his suitability for the job is also worrying and his intimating that there's no money in the kitty is also strange - where the hell as it gone, because in this transfer window it's been the equivalent of shopping in the Card Factory. Probably because in 2 years our budget will need to be about £11m again for us to break even. Last year it was about £70m. At some point reality has to kick in and us realise that we are no longer on the gravy train. |
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Post by schindlerspen on Aug 17, 2019 11:06:10 GMT 1
And when he appoints Mark Hudson permanently in a few weeks time,do any of us think he will give him funds to strengthen in January? What experience of obtaining players does Hudson actually have? We can’t appoint Hudson please. We need someone with a bit of management experience at least in our situation. He has been a coach in current setup and we are in the mess we’re in. |
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Post by blanquiazules on Aug 17, 2019 11:12:14 GMT 1
And when he appoints Mark Hudson permanently in a few weeks time,do any of us think he will give him funds to strengthen in January? What experience of obtaining players does Hudson actually have? We can’t appoint Hudson please. We need someone with a bit of management experience at least in our situation. He has been a coach in current setup and we are in the mess we’re in. Agreed, you appoint from within when things are going great, the manager's been headhunted for a bigger job and you want continuity. Continuity would be a disaster for us right now. |
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Post by mrbluesky on Aug 17, 2019 11:27:32 GMT 1
Give PH a chance for heavens sake , he’s only been in the job 7 weeks and in that time he at least has appointed a head of football , something we haven’t had for far too long. In terms of transfer money I too would not have given Siewart the budget , like the majority of supporters PH was obviously unsure about him and waited to see if he was the right man ...... right decision for me , let’s now see what he will give to HIS appointed mgr / head coach. Heard we had agreed a deal with Durrell for him to come in as replacement for Mooy , everything all set however Durrell and his agent did a deal with Derby at the last minute. BTW , PH offered Mooy a contract to stay which Aaron accepted , biggest contract/wages in the clubs history - Aaron accepted and it was thought he was going to stay with us , Aaron if you check changed his agent a few weeks back , the new agent got him the deal to go to Brighton meaning Aaron renaged on the new contract as he really did want premier league football which is understandable - even with Aaron staying PH was prepared to pay for the Durwell deal so he does indeed put his hand in his pocket when quality is on offer. It’s a new start now and PH is bringing in his own team , I for one will be giving him a chance ............it’s a harder job replacing Hoyle than it was replacing Davy. Agree we need a quality left back to allow Kongolo to play at centre half. Durrell, Durwell, for all this ITK nonsense, you kinda trip up yourself not knowing his name is Dowell.... Spell check changed the name ..... hopefully it wasn’t too difficult to work it out |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 17, 2019 12:01:43 GMT 1
PH was head-hunted by DH. In Dean I trust. Disrespecting PH is effectively disrespecting DH. Some shameful comments here and elsewhere When you say headhunted...do you mean he called his mate? The Boards footballing decisions have been horrendous since Stuart Weber left. He says we ran a sale process ? How many parties? ? How many indicative bids? ? How many bids were better than Hodgkinson’s ? Why, after running a sale process, did we then ‘headhunt’ his mate Fair enough that I used the wrong word and should have written that Dean chose to approach Phil over other offers |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 17, 2019 12:04:47 GMT 1
PH was head-hunted by DH. In Dean I trust. Disrespecting PH is effectively disrespecting DH. Some shameful comments here and elsewhere Come on Pete, are you saying no decision DH makes should be questioned or scrutinised because he’s DH? That’s a dangerous stance to take in my view. No I'm saying let's give PH a chance as Dean approached him to take over and wouldn't have done so without good reason |
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Post by htfc1908 on Aug 17, 2019 12:04:54 GMT 1
It gets more like waccoe every day on here.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2019 12:05:19 GMT 1
For me there’s a few scenarios - I’m purely speculating here
1 DH has a £50m loan to the club and (rightly IMO) this needs repaying now. If that is the case the club should be honest and all sensible fans wouldn’t begrudge Dean a penny and would be far more sympathetic to the new owner re investment
2) Re JS I would have sacked him in May. They didn’t so it was probably right of PH to give him his full backing on the eve of a new season. What has happened in the first 4 games has realised our worse fears on JS capabilities and PH had no real option other than to sack him - or risk things getting more toxic
3) PH may not want to invest with our useless scouting team making the suggestions/ shortlists and money could be held back until the new DOF is in role - if we’d spent £10m this summer would anyone trust we’d have not wasted it based on the past two windows
It’s too soon to judge PH IMO - he’s tied Hogg to a new deal which is positive. He won’t have bought the club to lose money or become a villain and he was DH’s pick. Personally I’m happy to give him more time but the club should be a little more transparenct, an example was the radio silence on the delay with the takeover when there was always a sensible reason regarding the FA doing fit and proper. That could have been nipped in the bud but instead rumours of betting issues and lack of PH wealth were allowed oxygen
The club then doubled down with the Paddy Power stunt - knowing every town fan was getting it in the neck for two days from mates and work colleagues
It created a bad taste to the start of PH reign
Better communication required is my main grumble
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Post by mrg on Aug 17, 2019 12:36:13 GMT 1
I'm not sure if this part of PH's statement has been posted, but this tells me all I need to know; hes made a solid judgement after giving jan a chance. Playing kongolo left back to please other pricks needs to stop immediately.
Jan walked into a very difficult situation in January; something that we were all aware and mindful of. However I have seen no evidence of the impact on our performances that I was expecting following a full pre-season.
Jan is a fantastic man and he's worked tirelessly for this club during his time here, but unfortunately it has not worked. I believe he is a good coach and I sincerely hope he will be successful in the future.
"I believe our players are better than we have seen so far this season. We will work to appoint a new head coach who can get the best from them and bring an identity back to our performances."
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 17, 2019 12:51:11 GMT 1
I'm not sure if this part of PH's statement has been posted, but this tells me all I need to know; hes made a solid judgement after giving jan a chance. Playing kongolo left back to please other pricks needs to stop immediately. Jan walked into a very difficult situation in January; something that we were all aware and mindful of. However I have seen no evidence of the impact on our performances that I was expecting following a full pre-season. Jan is a fantastic man and he's worked tirelessly for this club during his time here, but unfortunately it has not worked. I believe he is a good coach and I sincerely hope he will be successful in the future. "I believe our players are better than we have seen so far this season. We will work to appoint a new head coach who can get the best from them and bring an identity back to our performances." Why didn't he release that statement last night? Or go in front of the Sky cameras and say that? Or wait until today, call a press conference and say that. Anyway, I'm now going to practise what I preach and lay off with my criticism. I know I can't change anything and I know it doesn't help. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 17, 2019 12:58:30 GMT 1
What I don't like about our new owner is him talking about 'stabilisation' in the Championship, instead of saying 'the objective is to bounce back immediately'. Then he talks about 3 transfer windows, but this also means we might lose some of our better players. His backing of Siewert with comments about his suitability for the job is also worrying and his intimating that there's no money in the kitty is also strange - where the hell as it gone, because in this transfer window it's been the equivalent of shopping in the Card Factory. Obviously the priority needs to be stabilisation rather than doing a Sunderland! We all want promotion but not at the risk of spending more tens of millions on duds on a gamble to go back up and bankrupt the club like Rubery tried. Any money needs to be spent wisely. We have a new DoF starting soon and there will be a new manager, it would have been crazy to spend anything before they arrive. PH is spot on with his approach so far. He trusted that Dean and others had made the right decisions, ran with them for a while until he saw that JS simply didn’t have the skills and experience to stop the rot despite a very good pre season. He’s taken decisive decisions now and it will take a long while, perhaps the whole season and next summer’s window to fix. Anyone who’s worked in competitive business knows that. Some Town fans need to stop behaving like self entitled Leeds or Stoke fans and start supporting the whole club no matter what, the club desperately needs us. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 14:12:13 GMT 1
just read a post from an Andy Shuter on fb..he says Phil didn't bring his family to the game last night because of DEATH THREATS he had received...  !! I know these aren't 'real threats' (surely) but come on...if any moron on here has done that (in a moment of anger no doubt) this is totally UNACCEPTABLE.... pathetic but typical in todays society I'm afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 14:17:56 GMT 1
What I don't like about our new owner is him talking about 'stabilisation' in the Championship, instead of saying 'the objective is to bounce back immediately'. Then he talks about 3 transfer windows, but this also means we might lose some of our better players. His backing of Siewert with comments about his suitability for the job is also worrying and his intimating that there's no money in the kitty is also strange - where the hell as it gone, because in this transfer window it's been the equivalent of shopping in the Card Factory. stability was and is the key bouncing straight back was and is unlikely to happen.thats not lack of ambition its a reality check and there are a lot who need it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 17, 2019 15:05:25 GMT 1
For me there’s a few scenarios - I’m purely speculating here 1 DH has a £50m loan to the club and (rightly IMO) this needs repaying now. If that is the case the club should be honest and all sensible fans wouldn’t begrudge Dean a penny and would be far more sympathetic to the new owner re investment 2) Re JS I would have sacked him in May. They didn’t so it was probably right of PH to give him his full backing on the eve of a new season. What has happened in the first 4 games has realised our worse fears on JS capabilities and PH had no real option other than to sack him - or risk things getting more toxic 3) PH may not want to invest with our useless scouting team making the suggestions/ shortlists and money could be held back until the new DOF is in role - if we’d spent £10m this summer would anyone trust we’d have not wasted it based on the past two windows It’s too soon to judge PH IMO - he’s tied Hogg to a new deal which is positive. He won’t have bought the club to lose money or become a villain and he was DH’s pick. Personally I’m happy to give him more time but the club should be a little more transparenct, an example was the radio silence on the delay with the takeover when there was always a sensible reason regarding the FA doing fit and proper. That could have been nipped in the bud but instead rumours of betting issues and lack of PH wealth were allowed oxygen The club then doubled down with the Paddy Power stunt - knowing every town fan was getting it in the neck for two days from mates and work colleagues It created a bad taste to the start of PH reign Better communication required is my main grumble Think thats a great post mate and pretty much nails it exactly on every point. And point 3 is a good one. Having seen the utter wastes of money ( and by money i mean tens of millions ) that our scouting department whoever that is, has seen fit to bring into the club over the past couple of years, I know id be a bit reluctant to start handing over another £20m to them to bring in some more overpriced dross with. Especially when the DOF you have identified is on his way just round the corner. That could very well explain our reluctance to spend any money in this window... PH ( and DH ) have probably lost all faith in those that do the spending. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 17, 2019 15:11:32 GMT 1
just read a post from an Andy Shuter on fb..he says Phil didn't bring his family to the game last night because of DEATH THREATS he had received... !! I know these aren't 'real threats' (surely) but come on...if any moron on here has done that (in a moment of anger no doubt) this is totally UNACCEPTABLE.... pathetic but typical in todays society I'm afraid. Truth is we have 'gained' a lot of new fans who got on board during the promotion season and to them, the current situation is unacceptable just because they have never experienced anything like it before. Add that to todays disrespectful, keyboard warrior, faceless culture and the result is some braindead dickhead sending messages like that to the owner. The police will take it seriously. My son's been working on a community youth project this summer where a couple of morons in the group decided it would be fun to send their local MP some threatening emails. The police were all over it very quickly. |
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Post by dewsburyborn on Aug 17, 2019 15:17:11 GMT 1
Give PH a chance for heavens sake , he’s only been in the job 7 weeks and in that time he at least has appointed a head of football , something we haven’t had for far too long. In terms of transfer money I too would not have given Siewart the budget , like the majority of supporters PH was obviously unsure about him and waited to see if he was the right man ...... right decision for me , let’s now see what he will give to HIS appointed mgr / head coach. Heard we had agreed a deal with Durrell for him to come in as replacement for Mooy , everything all set however Durrell and his agent did a deal with Derby at the last minute. BTW , PH offered Mooy a contract to stay which Aaron accepted , biggest contract/wages in the clubs history - Aaron accepted and it was thought he was going to stay with us , Aaron if you check changed his agent a few weeks back , the new agent got him the deal to go to Brighton meaning Aaron renaged on the new contract as he really did want premier league football which is understandable - even with Aaron staying PH was prepared to pay for the Durwell deal so he does indeed put his hand in his pocket when quality is on offer. It’s a new start now and PH is bringing in his own team , I for one will be giving him a chance ............it’s a harder job replacing Hoyle than it was replacing Davy. Agree we need a quality left back to allow Kongolo to play at centre half. Durrell, Durwell, for all this ITK nonsense, you kinda trip up yourself not knowing his name is Dowell.... Interesting detail re the Mooy new contract; I wonder - had Mooy actually signed the contract - which may have included a clause allowing him to pursue any PL interest in him - or did it become a stipulation of him going out on loan to BHA that he sign the new contract to protect us from him leaving at the end of the remaining one year on his old contract ? I guess we may never know. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 15:18:13 GMT 1
And when he appoints Mark Hudson permanently in a few weeks time,do any of us think he will give him funds to strengthen in January? What experience of obtaining players does Hudson actually have? There's not a chance he will appoint Hudson permanently in a few weeks time. When Wagner left Mark took charge while Siewert came in, this is no different. Feel free to drag this post out if i'm wrong. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 17, 2019 15:35:07 GMT 1
Wagner walked early mainly because he knew he could do nothing with his failing players last season , and incoming rookie Siewart was given half the season with an added view of accessing them for the following championship season
Sadly most of last seasons badly failing shite was allowed to spill over into the championship team maybe because of the lack of parachute payment funds etc to bring in quality thus these failures ended up being the main strength of the first choice team which proved costly for the Siewert.
The only bright light for me here is Grant who seems way betters that the big money signings
What we have witnessed so far this season is nothing much more than a continuation from last season , and its a fact that the championship can be so unforgiving for those who are disorganised
Any manager coming in will have to do what both Wagner and Siewert failed to do this and last season with the retained , and sadly this will end being a massive uphill battle especially if no money is made available in January
The strength and depth of the club to replace players who are injured,suspended or showing poor form are mainly made up from those who were on the field V Lincoln , and how worrying is that
This squad needs to be taken " BACK TO BASICS " by the new manager " NOT HUDSON " , and then we might see how many of this players have both ability to do the job and a footballing brain.
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Post by tvor on Aug 17, 2019 15:50:15 GMT 1
And when he appoints Mark Hudson permanently in a few weeks time,do any of us think he will give him funds to strengthen in January? What experience of obtaining players does Hudson actually have? There's not a chance he will appoint Hudson permanently in a few weeks time. When Wagner left Mark took charge while Siewert came in, this is no different. Feel free to drag this post out if i'm wrong. Hope you’re right. PH has a chance now to put a marker down by bringing in someone with experience who can draw a line under last season’s failings. A lot of the stick he is getting is unfair but the spotlight will only get more intense if he goes for the cheap/easy option and it doesn’t pay off. |
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Post by tvor on Aug 17, 2019 15:54:27 GMT 1
And when he appoints Mark Hudson permanently in a few weeks time,do any of us think he will give him funds to strengthen in January? What experience of obtaining players does Hudson actually have? January is always a poor time to buy whoever is in charge. Inflated prices, for desperate times. It’ll be loans, more than likely. |
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Post by boooothy on Aug 17, 2019 16:26:14 GMT 1
I don’t think it was unreasonable to expect this season to be a promotion push. Players obviously were going to leave but why not sign a couple of high quality replacements?
What’s really got me is the loans. It’s a massive opportunity to sign 3 players you could only dream of buying. Eddie from Arsenal at Leeds is a brilliant player.
Instead we’ve got a lad just relegated with Ipswich and no better than Hogg in the same position.
If we’re not going for promotion what is the point keeping Schindler and Kongolo? We’re paying big wages for nothing, unless we think we’re in a relegation battle.
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